Posted by EastCoastStar
on the news... they keep talking about "how the explosions will affect us" us meaning the usa. that bugs the crap out of me. yes, it will affect us, but not likeits affecting the people in london.
idk what im trying to say... the usa are just selfish
Posted by Cornholio_666
the only thing that will come out of these events is more hatred for the other person, surely theres a point where it has to stop or it will go to far
Posted by absinthebri
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Strange, I remember several IRA attacks on London (that is, ones I personally experienced).
I remember a lot of anger at the USA for funding the IRA (which didn't stop until 11 Sept. 2001).
Carrying an ID card won't help and locking people up without due process merely fuels extremism. The Prime Minister said this morning that this would not change "our way of life". I sincerely hope it doesn't.
Posted by haynesycop
when innocent people starting getting killed was when it when to far
you could go back years
Posted by Sammy_boy
@jemo - true, we've put up with worse - the IRA, the Nazis etc. We will not be cowed by this, many people grew up with the IRA's constant bomb attacks so we are 'used' to terrorist attacks and how to deal with them.
The best thing for everyone to do is to carry on as normal as much as possible, once people start changing plans, cancelling things and so on that means the terrorists have won. Carry on regardless, stick two fingers up at these cowardly b*stards and say 'we will not be moved' by continuing life as normal.
Posted by JK
i feel for the muslims in the uk and also around the world!!!
We back to 9/11!!!
Posted by jemo
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the u.s still funds sinn fein/ira, not remember seeing gerry addams, an the gala dinner that was held for him releasing his new book, when americans were cheering for a known terrorist and murderer, and a man that wants to break northern ireland off from the rest of the uk
Posted by p900 lover
heathrow terminal 3 was evacuated, it is now re-open
Posted by Sammy_boy
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I'm talking about this in regards to Al Quieda terrorists, not the IRA. The IRA I believe often gave coded warnings before bomb attacks, and never used suicide bombers (they suspect at least one bomb today was a suicide bomber).
I agree though, we should not change our way of life one bit, that's the best way to show these people we will not be beaten.
Posted by haynesycop
i agree 100%
we cannot let these people (whoever they are) win
Posted by Cornholio_666
if we give in it'll be a sign of weakness to them and the they will start taking the piss
Posted by White_Spirit
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I think them "taking the piss" would be the least of our worries
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i meant with demands of money, freeing prisoners etc..
Posted by ten18
latest figures show 33 confirmed... tragic...
Posted by axxxr
There is a very simple way to end all this violence....We can withdraw from Iraq and give the country back to the people we have murdered and occupied...Create a Truly Independent Palestine away from the clutches of the Israeli's...and if by magic you find their will be no more acts of terrorism against us and we can live happily ever after.
Posted by jemo
there will still be acts of terror where there is religion ,religion divides, doesnt unite
Posted by Sammy_boy
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I really hope it would be as simple as creating a Palestinian state - I wish they would though, they could do with their own homeland regardless of terrorism or not.
If we withdraw from Iraq now we'd leave it pretty much in anarchy - I think in this case the mistake should be 'carried through'.
Sorry, rather off topic there
Posted by vanquish
@axxxr
you are assuming it is something to with Iraq. Saddam NEEDED to go.
@miss
They havent won because we are still coping. New York went up in chaos in 9/11, and i admit london 05 has not been as terrible but one death is a death too many and mass hysteria hasnt been that much of a problem for emergency services, they coped VERY well!
Posted by slattery69
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while a nice idea in theory in practise i doubt it would stop the terror attacks.
the people of these countries are probably just as surprised about the attacks as they were about 9/11. most of the people who organise these attacks are highly educated rich people liking a very western lifestyle (dispite saying they hate the west)
even if we did as you suggested and i can disagree with it attacks would still continue and they would create another reason ie they dont like the simpsons etc
i still believe attacks like this and 9/11 are as much about creating wealth for the organisors as they are making a point if not more about money
Posted by soulframe
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While I totally agree with 99% of what you say, I think it's a bit naive of you to say that if you left the middleast alone and all will be good. Unfortunatley this people in charge of this planet are fueled by war, violence and devastation. It would take a miracle for any of today's injustices's to just 'Vanish'. My dream would be for all weapons (guns, missiles, bombs etc.) and the capability to create them would just dissapear from the planet. Unfortunatly we will have to wait untill the day of judgement for bloodthirsty c***s like Bush and his Neocon comrades and Bin Laden and his dissillussioned bunch to get t here cum-upance. What ever punish they recieve in this life will be insiginicant to what will happen to them when they rot in hell for all eternity.
I created this thread to hear about peoples experiences and or views on todays tradegy, not to air out political/religous views, we can always create another thread for that.
To quote Ghandi: An eye for an eye makes the world go blind.
Posted by scotsboyuk
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Very well said! There are other threads (and dare I say other forums) to discuss politics. It would be more respectful, I think, if we concentrated upon the purpose of this thread, which is to discuss the tragedy today rather than engage in endless speculation and debate on political viewpoints.
Posted by Chazzer3
33 people dead. My Gosh. This is just another pointless act of terrorism I can't believe it, I thought it was all calming down again.
Charlie -
Posted by axxxr
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Point taken....I think a couple of Political threads are in order here where we can discuss the finer details.
I like the ghandi quote.
Posted by scotsboyuk
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I don't think it had necessarily calmed down, rather it was more a case of better security and action against terrorists having avoided incidents prior to today. There have been several stories in the news about attacks and plots being foiled in Britain. The terrorists have been trying to get through the security, but thankfully have been prevented from doing so, until today of course.
Posted by p900 lover
must say the emergency services dealed with it VERY good, so what is the news on station damage and are they cloesed 4 ages now?
Posted by haynesycop
i heard that there are structural egineers at one station (not sure which one)
and there is considerable damage so it wont be open for along while now
i presume it was the one which blew up in the tunnel
Posted by soulframe
I heard from my cousin who works in Euston station that some of the cabbies were charging £75 just go a couple miles down the road!
Posted by Ayush
let us pray for the british
Posted by White_Spirit
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That is shocking, cashing in on an event like this, scum bags
Posted by scotsboyuk
@soulframe
As much as that may be true, one shouldn't believe eveything one hears in the aftermath of such events. There are usually various stories and exaggerations about various things after this sort of thing, a pinch of salt is sometimes required.
Posted by haynesycop
i agree
everything is up in the air at the moment
things will become more clearly tomorrow
Posted by axxxr
This image taken by Keith Tagg Adam Stacey with his camphone.He was on the northern line just past Kings Cross. Train suddenly stopped and filled with smoke. People in carriage smashed tube windows to get out and then were evacuated along the train tunnel. He's suffering from smoke inhalation but fine otherwise.
Posted by scotsboyuk
It usually takes a few days before all the facts become concrete and the rumours are debunked. The media is notorious for presenting such things to us in these situations because of the lack of facts and information they have. As time goes on we shall hear the full account.
Posted by haynesycop
exactly
that photo just makes it hit home
i mean the pictures on the news are one thing but seeing that is something else
Posted by batesie
Charles Clarke has some questions to answer.
Posted by scotsboyuk
@axxxr
Shocking, really shocking. When one sees such images it does bring the whole event to a much more personal level. The old addage of a million deaths being a statistic, but one death being a tragedy is very true.
Posted by absinthebri
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I don't think a determined effort by a secretive organisation can be easily intercepted.
Posted by batesie
whats the point in have an intellegence service then?!?!?!
Posted by scotsboyuk
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That's just the thing. Michael Howard was being interviewed on the BBC earlier today and he made the very salient point that whilst attacks are not inevitable, there is also no guarantee that they can always be prevented. The nature of today's attacks makes them very difficult to intercept. Of course we still don't have all the details so it is both difficult and unwise to speculate upon how they were carried out exactly, but one imagines that if they could have been prevented they would have.
Posted by absinthebri
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Er, to monitor Saddams WMD?
It's difficult to monitor people who don't want to be monitored, however sophisticated your intelligence service is.
Posted by axxxr
batesie there is only so much a intelligence service can do...MI5 and MI6 have done a very good job in the last couple of years by arresting and closing down terrorist cells...but eventually someone will always slip through the net.
Posted by vanquish
GUYS!
Will you stop trying to run the government. They did all they can, they couldnt prevent this, it has happened. It will be interesting to see what Mi6 does about this, whether they decide to pursue terrorists seeing as now we have a REASON to fight the war on terrorism, we arent just helping bush out.
Posted by absinthebri
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We have always pursued terrorists and we have every right to protect our sovereignty. What is this "war on terrorism"?
Helping Bush invade a sovereign nation has and had nothing to do with the "war on terrorism".
Posted by scotsboyuk
This thread is dedicated to the war in Iraq. Perhaps anyone who wishes to discuss such issues could use that instead of this one?
I'm sure someone can create a new political thread if there are none of the many older ones still available should anyone wish to discuss other political issues.
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Posted by soulframe
you guys are going off-topic again.
While I share your opinions and do agree that what's happening in Iraq is one of the greatest crimes of humanity in the last 100 years (i'm half Iraqi btw), this thread is NOT the place to discuss it. PLEASE use this thread for it's intended purpose.
Thank you
Posted by amagab
I was just going to congratulate all you Brits for getting the Olympics.....okay, I'll do it anyway CONGRATULATIONS!!!
Unfortunately, your celebration has been put in the shadow by actions from the scum on the earth - the weak and sad terrorists who claims they are doing it in the name of religion (pitiful).
To all of you British Esato members I wish you all the best and hope this doesn't affect you too much. The more these spineless people bomb the stronger and more united the free and open world will get.
Posted by seanflynn
Anyone heard of Nostradamus? This a quote written in 1654 - This was predicted about the sep 11 twin towers!
Quote from Nostradamus
"In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two
brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb"
"The third big war will begin when the big city is burning"
Nostradamus
1654
Posted by axxxr
Im not quite sure about Nostrodamus?...he's writings could have many meanings.
Posted by seanflynn
Take a look at this!
http://www.crystalinks.com/twintowerprojections.html
Posted by axxxr
That has got to be a fake seanflynn??