Posted by muppet
For those with a K750 that would like to have a W800 without buying a new phone, W800 that work on the K750 have now been released by one team who writes "Phone Flashing" software.
So if you have a K750 and would like to try out owning a W800, find someone who has the "Cruiser" flashing program and ask them to do it for you.
Tim
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Posted by shyam335
W800 is not even out,and i expect that w800 fw will be in final stages,how come you get a w800 fw to flash? And its said that w800 doesnt have autofocus...
Posted by muppet
I'm not sure I understand your question.
The W800 firmware that is available at the moment is R1K005.
Even though the phone may not be released yet, that doesn't stop the Firmwares for it from appearing on EMMAII/EMMAIII (SE's "online" service centre software)
Sadly I don't have a K750 here with me at the moment to test this, but as soon as I do get one I'll let you know how it goes (no doubt others will beat me to it, I'm looking at you gbrooks3)
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Posted by shyam335
Oh ok
Posted by Rifqi_Aziz
I doubt it cuz the firmware of W800 still could possibly change when it is actually released.
If it is so, it will affect to the market of W800.
I can't wait for W800 and hope that K750 couldn't be flashing with W800 firmware, forever...
Posted by muppet
The hardware in these phones is exactly the same as each other, it's just how they look physically, the bits and pieces they're supplied with and the firmware that's on them that's different.
The flash that's happening is here is prett much the same thing that's happened with the P900->P910 flashes that were released (this is by the same people), though in this case it's even simpler.
Also: This will not affect the market for the W800. Only a very few people with access to a special program can flash these files, this is not something your local service centre will offer! Also, the main appeal of the W800 is going to be the accessories it comes with and the look of it... It's only use techies that realise that's jus fluff, it's the hardware and firmware that makes a phone a good phone.
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Posted by gr3gg0
the w800 DOES have autofocus..look @ the SE page for it
Posted by fu1at
i think we shouldn't argue about it andwait till someone flashed it and give us some feedback.
any true warrior out there which wanna give it a try?
Posted by vineet_d
if this is the case i fear w800 will be a big drop for SE
Posted by muppet
Why?
Remember this is only available to people who know someone with the Cruiser software (and I guess soon other softwares such as Davinci etc)
*MOST* people are going to buy the phone because of how it looks and it's features. It's only those that have already bought a K750 that might consider getting this done, a new phone purchaser is going to want the new W800 as it looks physically different and comes with more accessories.
All the W800 flash adds to your K750 is: (taken from another post in another forum, not my words here)
* 'Mobile Walkman' - button connected to the media player.
* Music mode (same as flight mode).
* Different media player (better) than K750.
* Possibility to connect to external equipment such as hi-fi or car stereo.
* Event calendar (maybe K750 has this already? Don't know).
You didn't see the P900->P910 upgrade stop the mass sales of the P910 now, did you?
Posted by arnoldc
* Possibility to connect to external equipment such as hi-fi or car stereo.
You don't need a new software for this. Just buy the HPM-70 which allows you to connect a standard headphone (but one is included), then make a mini connector to stereo RCA and connect it to your amplifier.
... or get the MMC-60 phone to RCA connector.
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Posted by Ibinco
Hey Muppet! Have u actually seen this? Or tried it out yourself?
Posted by neonismo
If this is the case, then the K750 should have the flight-mode feature of the W800. This may either be a hardware or software feature.
Posted by Rifqi_Aziz
@muppet
As your explanation and remembering about flashing P900 with P910 firmware, it comes to my mind this question: is this kind of flashing legal?
In my opinion, it is ILLEGAL cuz it isn't offically provided by SE and I believe SE won't let this kind of flashing happened to any of their products.
So let's stop the activities of flashing SE phone with another series.
Let the P900 or K750 be the P900 or K750 as SE released unless upgrading its firmware with official (read: LEGAL) firmware and let's waiting for the real W800 as it comes...
Posted by ares
no way w800 is gonna be a flop, not because of this...
why??
because i bet itīll have a massive marketing campaign promoting the Walkman label when it will be launched...it will become more a fashion statement than a phone...
Posted by Firefreak
The swedish company gsmteknik now offer the K750->W800 conversion for 199SEK... about $30...
They claim full W800 functionality... "only difference is cover design"...
They also offer the reverse transform... W800->K750...
Posted by Ibinco
lol... this is interesting.. I wonder how that w800 firmware performs vs the k750i firmware
Posted by gbrooks3
Davinci will no doubt have this option in a few days, no need to pay ridiculous prices.
Posted by gbrooks3
Also,
People posting abou legal illegal firmware, go back to school please
@muppet hopefully i may have access to a K750i today, will test it out then.
Posted by Ibinco
@gbrooks.. you going to attempt teh conversion!? let us know how it turns out m8
cant wait to do the same
Posted by thanasis
Yes at last Flight mode for the K750!
Posted by Yazan24
I have a K750i but Im on a mac, anyway I can flash it via mac, if not, if someone gives me a set of instructions Ill do it via a PC if necessary.
Just post or PM instructions to me.
Posted by max_wedge
hehe not that simple m8! U need special software, a copy of the firmware (neither readily available to the public), and then you could do it..
Posted by X-5Wannabe
Somebody mentioned in another thread here that they were able to change the fascia of their K750i from silver to black. Does this mean then that we could totally convert K750i to W800i, ie. update firmware and fascia? (assuming someone makes a W800i-style fascia for the K750i)
Do they have the same dimensions? If so then noone would be able to tell that your "W800i" was iniatially a K750i...
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Posted by carkitter
Or you could trade in your faulty K750i on a W800...
Posted by baconnugget
this seem like an idea but will this invalidate warrenty?
Posted by orkie
Here you can see what you can do with this programm:
http://www.microengineers.cc/cruiser/home.php
Posted by Klorin
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Well.. you need more then the program.
Posted by NisseGurra
I talked with the company that offers upgrade: seems to be problem with the sound with the W800 firmware ... More info later today.
Posted by mckvakk
Some pictures, courtesy of unlockshop.no
Posted by andybutkaj
k750 with w800 firmware, sorry text is only in czech language - if interested i can translate - but you can see main things at pics
-used firmware is R1K005
-also in flight mode you can send songs via bluetooth, irda
-X instead of singnal when in flight mode
-menu play in flight mode is: (PLAYING - for play,pause,rewind, INTERPRETS, SONGS, PLAYLISTS, VIDEOS - also full screen)
-taking picture in flight mode is not possible (yet)
-screensaver in flight mode
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http://semania.mobilmania.cz/[....]ent&task=view&id=1065&Itemid=2
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Posted by achill2uk
hi si it posssible u can translate it for us there m8 as i dotn have a clue wat it says? as i am very interested on this article
Posted by kinezu
can you do this on a D750i as it looks more like a W800i?
Posted by muppet
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No, only because I don't have a K750 (I still don't understand all the hype about them myself) nor do I have any customer ones to test with. I have Cruiser and I have the flash files on my PC.
I think others in this thread have made it pretty obvious I wasn't talking out my rear end though, don't you?
As for those people talking about it being illegal.... WHAT? I can flash WindowsXP Service Pack 2 to my phone if I have the equipment to do it. Sure, the phone won't power on at all, but it's not illegal to do so.
I think it's interesting that SE make the same hardware, put it in a different case with different firmware and call it a different phone. Hacks that make one phone into another are in my opinion fun and interesting. Those that are saying "Noo, don't do this, it's bad" just come across to me as sounding jealous (though I can't understand for the life of me why)
@gbrooks3: I knew you'd bet me to it buddy
Posted by slass
Muppet; Where do the firmwares come from?
Are they official, public firmwares out for everywhere to download, or perhaps illegaly copied?
Laws are of course different for different countrys, but I think a lot has software laws which state it's illegal to handle stolen software, and also illegal to bypass security schemes, like the CID's.
Also to edit copyrighted software is illegal in many countries.
I don't try to stop people from doing it, but You shouldn't think it's harmful and as legal as it may seem.
Posted by rambalu80
@ slass
How many people do you know that care about these laws that you have mentioned?
Posted by andybutkaj
translation here - sorry for english, i translated it on the way...
http://www.butkaj.com/w800i.html
Posted by slass
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No, I don't say what to do or don't, or what people in my surrounding does. All I'm saying is that You shouldn't believe that it's legal when it's not, as some people say and may turn others to believe the same.
It's like warez of ordinary PC software.
Posted by VydoLL
who wants to upgrade?
How we can? Only with cruiser package?
If its free for update (no log) maybe i would buy it, but not before someone has tried
Posted by petawer
itīs free???
Posted by achill2uk
where can we got this w800 firmware form where can we get the download becuase it is out somwhere if these guys did it??
anything
i wanna flash it
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Posted by govigov
Nice, but i thot flight mode was something to do with hardware and not software.
Posted by achill2uk
where can we get the firmware from becuase i wanna flash does anyoen know?
Posted by Arne Anka
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W800 and K750 uses exactly same hardware. Flightmode is a hardware feature, which can be enabled and disabled from firmware. For the K750 firmware, this selection option has been hidden although the hardware suports it.
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Posted by deliciosomarron
This may be a stupid question, but I'm only asking this because I can get a d750 (T-mobile locked k750i with a w800 look) dirtcheap.
Is the conversion also possible in this situation so I can turn the d750 to a w800 and also lose the T-mobile branding?
Posted by mvinodkuumarr
@muppet! Pmed You..
I am much interested if it really works..
And what would be just cool
Posted by jakontil
this is going really exciting, if anyone has done it successfully please let us who interested know
Posted by muppet
@deliciosomarron: Yes, as far as I'm aware a D750 is the same hardware so it should be perfectly possible. You just need to find someone with a copy of Cruiser.
Posted by vd0t
this sounds awesome..
more curious about it than flashing for any practical purposes but its cool nonetheless..
sorry for the noob question..
whats a "cruiser"? where would i get one?
details please!
Posted by Ibinco
@vd0t
Read the thread..and you will find out what a "cruiser" is