Posted by rabvtec
Jeez! What a loada heave-ho over picture quality and CCD v CMOS! I may be a noob to this forum but I've many years in others including many on digicams ...
As bico says, we got to remember this is a phone with a camera and NOT the other way around! IMHO, as the first candy bar phone to sport a 2meg AUTOFOCUS camera, SE have done a remarkable job.
Sure, there will be firmware to 'improve' this and 'fix' other bugs, but what piece of electronic hardware these days doesn't?! (my PC's NVidia card gets 'fixes' AT LEAST once a month).
Enjoy the phone, learn the phone ... and have FUN with the phone!
Posted by kooki
well i dunno much about digi cams but what im told is ccd makes sharper images...and cmos technology is older...recently cmos has picked up in high end digi cams.
i called up a few people too and it is true that the k750 will have a ccd sensor soon
Posted by jmbillings
tbh I dont think the tiny lenses on these cameras allow the full quality to come through. My "real" digicam is only 2Mp as its a few years old, and while the pics I have seen people post from the K750 are good, they aren't a patch on those from a proper camera. A lot of this is down to the small lens, it will never focus light as accurately and without colour splitting as much as a decent lens. Its the same as those cheap chuck-away cameras with a 35mm film in them - my SLR gives much better results simply because the lens is of higher quality.
CCD may be technically better than CMOS, but I dont think the difference will be enough to worry about - look at the differences in the pictures people are taking with the current K750, some are fantastic, some are not so great!
Sleep well people!
Posted by bico
@kooki: I'm sorry to tell you, but according to some sources the CCD technology is older than the CMOS technology:
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For further information, take a look at this post, posted earlier in this thread.
Posted by dave_uk
As someone who knows next to nothing about digital imaging, having merely read the information in the comparison below. It seems fairly obvious that CCD is superior to CMOS, and that the justification for CMOS is that it is:
a)more flexible
b)cheaper
c)lower on power consumption, but and there is no getting away from this,
d) poorer in image quality.
It is clear that CMOS is therefore attractive to mobile device manufacturers, as it allows easier integration into their systems and consumes less power (not to mention lower production costs). However, equally, it is clear that the resulting images are compromised.
Having said this, it seems unlikely that
would take the decision to implement this cheaper, more efficient, technology (with it's obvious benefits to them) and then decide to increase the manufacturing cost and upset the market. It makes no commercial sense and I would therefore conclude that rumours of this upgrade must be false (though that would not rule out a different model - say the S700i replacement - using a CCD sensor).
But, as I said, I know next to nothing about digital imaging...
Posted by bico
As dave_uk indicates: CCD technology in S700! CCD technology in S750?
Posted by jofullalove
I think that my k750i camera is really really good. The quality is brill. CCD may be an improvement, but it will only be slight plus the ccd version will probably hike up the price a bit. If i were you guys contemplating waiting for an updated version (assuming there will definately be one...) i wouldn't bother.
Posted by ares
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look at the differences in the pictures people are taking with the current K750, some are fantastic, some are not so great! |
K750 CMOS camera vs Minolta and Canon CCD cameras test here
Bottom line: i´ll buy a k750 once i can, despite having a CMOS or a CCD - has an amateur photographer i´m already satisfied with what i see right now
http://www.lesnumeriques.com/news_id-584.html
Not much difference actually...SE done a remarkable job with this CMOS
I figure CCD will only be real noticed in low light photos and even there i don´t know if improvemente is gonna be all that big (look at s700 low light photos)
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Posted by Krubach
@Arez
May i say that the comparison shown on that website are not correct since ALL photos in the comparison are pictures taken inside a room and doesn't have photos with natural light.
Something is missing...
Can someone please edit the first post and change the "impove" to "improve"... if i got it right... :?
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Posted by rabvtec
As far as I'm concerned, I'm happy with the quality of the shots taken with my K750i. If I want a 'better/sharper/etc' image, I'll take along my Pentax digicam.
I know people in this thread aren't 'really' complaining about the quality of the images (are they ... ?) from this phone because the K750i has been a brave and IMO, a successful venture by SE in squeezing 2megapixels into such a small device AND producing acceptable images!
The debate between CMOS v CCD is only really relevant when discussing images produced by 'proper' digital cameras. The advantages of CCD over CMOS here, cannot be accurately measured with the naked eye ... Read forums on the images produced by any small digicam and you'll find the same discussions, so SE aren't doing too bad here, folks.
As we all know with technology, it will soon be producing phones with 2meg+ optical zoom cams and so on ... oooh, I can't wait ^___^
Posted by ares
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@Arez |
The fact they made the test in conditions without optimal light (natural)emphatizes the results for the k750 - with natural light it´s normal it would perform even better
Posted by bico
For further information about CCD- and CMOS-sensors, take a look at CMOS or CCD?.
Posted by gr3gg0
well i was gonna pick up a 750 in a week or so... should i be waiting for this or..is it just the cam switch thats better
Posted by B.J.
im just so curious--- how can we distinguish the k750i with ccd and cmos? will the supposedly ccd version hav a new name?
Posted by bico
@B.J.: If you compare two pictures, one taken with a mobile phone camera equipped with a CCD-sensor and one with a CMOS-sensor, I don't think that you can distinguish which picture is taken by which sensor. At least not easily.
If everything else is as close to equal as possible, that is.
But I'm not sure.
Posted by ofiaich
OK...but wasn't the question...
if I got to a shop to buy one, how do I know which screen I am getting?
I suppose it will say on the box in the specifications section..
Ofiaich
Posted by bico
@gr3gg0:
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is it just the cam switch thats better |
I don't know. But the CCD-technology isn't necessarily better than the CMOS-technology.
@ofiaich:
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OK...but wasn't the question... |
No, I'm afraid it wasn't.
The question had nothing to do with the screen. It had to do with the camera sensor-technology.
But I didn't actually answer the origianal question by B.J. correctly. So here's the old question and my new answer:
@B.J.:
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how can we distinguish the k750i with ccd and cmos? will the supposedly ccd version hav a new name? |
Personally I don't think that the CCD-version will have a new name, but you never know. The difference between the two versions or pictures taken by the two versions will probably not be noticable by most people.
@ofiaich:
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I suppose it will say on the box in the specifications section. |
Yes, that's likely.
Cheers!
Posted by Yazan24
This sucks for existing K750i Users, WHY DIDNT THEY TELL US DAMNIT!
Posted by bico
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On 2005-06-11 20:41:27, Yazan24 wrote: |
Que? What sucks?
If it's CCD versus CMOS you think about then it's most likely nothing to worry too much about. As has been said before, you'll probably not notice any remarkable differences, if any at all.
Enjoy your phone!
Posted by sxenet
hmmmm, well my K750 got slightly buggered over the weekend (autofocus button doesn't work) and its insured, but maybe i'll wait for the CCD edition. no noticeable difference, my K750i takes grainy photo's at times, im sure the matrix on the CCD sensor would eliminate this (due to the fact digital camera's use CCD sensors, or 3 if its a good camera)
Posted by vanquish
Can this be confirmed by anyone? At all?
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Posted by ares
When the latest phones were announced (w600,etc) it was confirmed that only k750 successor will have a ccd sensor...
Posted by B.J.
i think that hoax is nothing but crap.. you've known SE vey well, just like by changing some of the features of the t230, they dubbed it already as t290...if that's the case, then for sure ,they'll do the same for the k750i... k755i ny1?
Posted by gr3gg0
hows about they put in the ccd and make it quad band
Posted by BUFFBOY
so is this true or not ???
will this model be released world wide ?? or just russia ?
Posted by Pradhika
And I plan to go for it in sept.oct . The price will also come down to 60 percent.
Posted by bondock
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If my memory serves me correctly, i remember reading in Eldar's review that the new CCD version will have the letters "CCD" printed on the sliding camera cover or next to the "2.0 Megapixel" lettering.
Posted by dckl
I thought the whole CCD thing was just a rumor? Besides, would SE actually re-release the same phone with a possibly better camera, and piss off everyone else who already bought the K750?
Posted by korbindallis
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Good Question but after the N90 review by gsmarena i am thinking SE is laughing all the way with its non branded CMOS sensor and may put off the CCD for a new product line and not re realise it on the K750i
but SE knows better
Posted by darky
it's been months and my phone still crashes, the only thing I got frmo newer firmware was worse video and picture quality.
fu SE
Posted by Intsz
That is very intresting... keep posting!
Posted by gareb
Been usin' cells since 91 and still aint got no idea how important this is for the majority usin K750.Can somebody explain that for me?