Posted by radarblip609
Hey umer. Yaar why are you posting the same thing on both the warid and Telenor topics. We can read it at one place. Relax man. Sibtain, thanks dude.
Posted by umerhayat
@Radar. Ok man. From now on i post one thing at one place. We need to discuss also the BATTERY CONSUMPTION by the net works. According to me assuming signals are full at your place. TELENOR has the best standby time. Ufone is on second number. Warid on third and the mobilink is on last. I do not know about the paktel. These are the observations by me that i made using 6600. Hope others tell there views soon also. Regards. Umer.
Posted by radarblip609
Well i never heard that battery consumption for different nets are different. Tell me how much diff does it make cuz i am only on ufone.
Posted by umerhayat
Ok man. I try to explain. But my all observation are only one set 6600 based as i have non other these days. With out using gprs if on ufone battery do 2.5 days then on telenor it will do 3 or 3.5 days. On gprs and as screen is active also. If on ufone my set do 8 hours on tele nor it do 10 to 12 hours. So telenor net work consume less battery. Will tell you about warid in some days. Hope some one else using more than one sim gives his observations also soon. Regards. Umer
Posted by msheikh
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Makes a huge difference my friend. Trust me over here in Canada I use FIDO. FIDO does relatively well compared to Rogers. When I visit Pakistan, I have the same handset in use and it consumes more than both Rogers and Fido. In pakistan I have used mobilink only. Cant wait to get my hands on the rest!
Posted by radarblip609
Awight sheikh. So now i am also a believer .Mind telling that handset prices in pakistan are cheaper or at canada. Tell meboth of the new and used set prices.
Posted by bilal
HI GUYS,
WARID call rates are very good. And also one more important thing is that when we load Rs.100 in TELENOR they deduct 10 rupees as TAX but in the case of WARID they don't deduct any TAX the 100 rupees remain 100 and the tax is deducted while making calls and still cheaper than telenor I think its best as for as call rates are concerned.
A call is compared as making an OFF NET CALL per minute:
----------Amount load---Amount deducted-----Peak----Off peak
TELENOR---Rs.100--------nearly Rs.10---------3.99------3.99
WARID-----Rs.100--------zero rupees----------3.00------2.75
------------Tax------Total peak---Off peak-----Overall cost
TELENOR----0.60------4.59--------4.59----------4.59
WARID------0.80------3.80--------3.55----------nearly 3.65
------------------------------------------------off peak 3.35
Telenor off net and on net SMS 1.5+tax =1.73 (after 31 may)
Warid on net .50 & off net 1 +tax (1.27) still cheaper
Now, I have compared a little the prices of TELENOR and WARID. When you load 100 rupees balance in your Mobile and u make a call to any other network then :
Off net Offnet
--------------Amount Loaded-------Talk Time----------SMS------
WARID-----------100-----------------26----------------78-------
TELENOR---------100-----------------19----------------57-------
This shows Telenor is expensive than WARID.
From here u can judge that how much can you save monthly and too much yearly.
Moreover the telenor charges the same within network the same but Warid rates are very low within network upto Rs.1+tax, so call rates wise warid is best it has also coverage in all important cities.
All telenor users, I have found another number 555 may be you know it already. It is also like a help line number with much clearer sound. It allows you to hear your balance as WARID and change your language for all assistanace which is set to URDU by default e.g when ur Balance is below 20 etc etc.
Here in my area warid sound is clearer than that of TELENOR although it has some signals problem but I hope it will be solved.
[ This Message was edited by: bilal on 2005-06-02 20:07 ]
Posted by sibtainali
hello!
On ufone GPRS from 10am to 12am online on Agile messenger.... battery lasts for 2.5 days...and same timing on mobilink without GPRS... battery gives 4 days...it's on Imate SP3.
Posted by umerhayat
@BILAL. Thanks brother. You are our best analyst. Hope the telenor drop the call prices for the prepaid soon as now 3.99 seems very expensive when the warid has arrived with low call rates . Also today telenor gprs is working ok for me here in fsd but warid gprs is not working well. At noon i connect it and the bytes were uploaded but not downloaded. So you also can try the telenor gprs if you want i hope your will also be working ok this hour. @SABTAIN. As you told you do not have telenor in your area so you can not try it but i feel that the battery life on telenor network stays longer. Hope some one else also tell his observations also soon about the battery life on different networks. Regards. Umer
Posted by sibtainali
@ umerhayat thanks but my name is not ... SABTAIN ....its Sibtain:)
Posted by bilal
@UMER
I think that TELENOR gprs is fine now But I only tried two times, the G appears and I got the message server busy, connection lost. But I didn't try further after it.
[ This Message was edited by: bilal on 2005-06-02 20:12 ]
Posted by umerhayat
Ok man my bad. I will try to type the right name next time. But as i am on mobile so many mistakes takes place. @BILAL. Man here also some times server busy message appears and other times it connects. Why this server busy message comes. All available connections in area are in use or what. Regards. Umer
Posted by radarblip609
Message for comtrack. Yaar, changing this topic's name to Warid Pakistan will better. What do say?
Posted by umerhayat
Yes i also think that there must be pakistan in the name. Warid pakistan or warid launched commercially in pakistan. Regards. Umer
Posted by bilal
@UMER
I also don't what it means by server busy but it can't be the case that all available connections could be in use. It is impossible that all Islamabadi's will be busy using GPRS at one time bcz this thing is not so popular among people.
Posted by comtrak
Comments about the Change of Name and what abt the service i think Warid have v strong post paid
Posted by umerhayat
@BILAL. Yes man may be you are right all area gprs can not be busy at one single time as not many people use it. But as we both do not know what it means so hope some one else explain it to us soon. Regards. Umer
Posted by bilal
When I manually search for all available signals, all the four companies signal appears other than WARID but when I put WARID sim in my mobile and manually search than only WARID's PK-07 appears. Is thier anything special with WARID's signals. Are they different from others? This point was already raised by UMER. Anyone please tell us the difference and if this happens then how will we be able to use MNP?
The TOPIC name is very fine now.
Posted by radarblip609
@bilal: once i asked the ufone ppl that whats their operating frequency. they replied with 900. mobilink also used to be on 900 but since long we are hearing that they are shifting to 1800. dont know if they have already. you can ask your telnor and warid helplines that which frequencies they use.
But still, i dont think this will affect Mobile Number POrtablity. Cuz at one time you will be have subscribed to one network. It might not be the way that you can subsribe both to mobilink and jazz with the same number at the same time. So this wont affect it, if it is the way I get it.
@comtrak: The name is now really fine.
Posted by bilal
@radarblip
I have read in news that PTA is scheduling to introduce MNP before the next year i.e at the end of the same year.
As far as operating frequencies are concerned :
Ufone PK-02 900 Mhz
Paktel PK-04 900 Mhz
Mobilink PK-02 Previously 900 Mhz now upgraded to 1800 Mhz
Telenor PK-06 900/1800 Mhz
Warid PK-07 900/1800 Mhz
Most mobile phones are dual banded i.e can operate in 900 & 1800 Mhz and most NOKIA phones can operate in triple band i.e 900,1800 & 1900.
Now,I don't know What it mean by 900/1800 written with WARID and Telenor. Are they having both the frequencies or only 1800 Mhz?
Posted by bilal
Now, Talk something about terrif. Through calculations I came to know that WARID & TELENOR have exactly the same calculation formula.
TELENOR:
When we load a certain amount of money in TELENOR than exactly 9.1% is deducted as TAX, and remaining 15% is deducted on of the calls and SMS. For example 15% of 3.99 is .60 so total= 4.59,
15% of SMS 1.5 is .23 so, total= 1.73, in this way the total deduction is nearly equal to 27% (9.1% in the beggining and 15% on each call & SMS).Now from these calculations, we have to to Pay exactly Rs 5.06 for each call and 1.90 for each SMS. Similarly you can calculate for international calls 25.40 .These all rates are too high.
WARID:
Now talking about WARID, they are deducting whole 27% with each call and SMS instead of deducting 9.1% in beggniing and 15% GST afterwards. For example 27% of 3 is .80 so total = 3.80, and SMS 27% of 1 is .27 so 1.27 . So, you should not confuse about the terrif of WARID thats more clear, You can easily calculate all On net, Off net exact call rates of WARID by adding 27% of that Amount after each call. So the lowest call rate from Warid to Warid is 1.27 in friends and family off peak and if you talk fro half minute than 0.64 and on net SMS thats 0.64 .So, WARID rates are low than TELENOR.
From Above all discussion we come to know that the amount of TAX depends on the call rates which is set by the company.
There is a difference of 1.26 in Off net call rates of Telenor and WARID. Please don't think that I have some special relationship with WARID. Currently I myself is using TELENOR.
Posted by comtrak
Salamz i think all other networks r running on 900 band except mobilink... but the mobilink did 1 wrong thing by introducing 2 codes they could have gone 4 8 digit no insted .. yr comments plz
Posted by bilal
Yes, Mobilink dual code system is somewhat confusing, what they want to prove by this system? I think to the people who don't know more about Mobile networks they want to show that OUR network is strong enough to support dual codes and we have many users and all pakistanis are fan of Mobilink.
The real story is that they have more coverage and many people living even in islamabad have mobilink because only they have only mobilink in thier home town. I have also the same problem but I have now rejected mobilink.
@comtrack
Mobilink has very poor sound quality whats thier use of 1800 Mhz.
Telenor and Warid has obviously 1800 Mhz because I have read that this dual band results in better sound quality and fast data transfer over GPRS networks.In that site http://www.gsmworld.com/ Mobilink 900 and 1800 are defined saperately.
I want you all to visit the site http://www.gsmworld.com/ thats very informative for GSM networks Moreover it also provides the complete information of each GSM network across the world. From thier I came to know that India has 60 GSM mobile networks thats why competition is very tough, we have only 5 operators, They all running thier own monoply what will we benefit from them? I have also read that Telenor is also intrested in india than their they will be able to run when they provide Rs. 1/min . We are being looted by all operators.
Posted by umerhayat
Hi. Have already discussesed about the network search problem with warid. Now when network is detected and signal is ok. Then if we go to some place where signal is lost. Say some close place like operation theatre or some basement and then come out again. Then warid do not pick the signal again. When you take the set in your hand again for making some call or using gprs or for what ever then you come to know that you have no signal. Then you have to dial the 321 again some times more than one times to pick the signal again. I am sick of this thing.
Posted by bilal
WARID have call rates Rs 8/min for zone 1 countries.
countries included in Zone 1 are:
International Zone 1
United States
Canada
Australia Landline
France
Germany
Belgium
Italy
Spain
Netherlands
Japan Landline
Singapore
Hong Kong
China
UK landline
South Africa
International Zone 2
Rest of the world including
Australia Mobile
Japan Mobile
UK Mobile
South Africa Mobile
Posted by bilal
@UMER
Yes, I have noted the same problem that Mobile picks the signals late. One Good thing is that its voice is clear although we have one dot in signal but TELENOR voice cut off even in half of signals.
One other bad thing about WARID is the INCOMPATIBILITY issue.
The TEXT MESSAGE send from WARID server through WEB2SMS is unreadable on NOKIA mobiles of upto 2003 but readable on NOKIA models of 2004 and afterwards. I have checked it on four mobiles. NOKIA 7210,2100,2300,2600. 7210 and 2100 are of 2003,
2300 and 2600 are of 2004 and 2005 respectively.
Now cosider I got a message from WARID WEB2SMS and store this message on the SIM, when I inserted the SIM in 7210,2100 and opened that message, written inside is "the message cannot be displayed" on the other hand when I entered the same SIM in 2300,2600 the message could be read clearly as it was send from WEB2SMS, why is this INCOMPATIBILITY exists? All others PHONES are compatible on all networks than why this Incompatible?
Someone please check himself and comment? If want to check then I will send the message to you through WEB2SMS.
The same problem also persists with the password send from WARID server at the first time of registration.
I will plan to go to its main office with the complaint.
Posted by bilal
Due to warid in city SAHIWAL the Jazz and Paktel GSM sims were being sold for free in front of Warid main frenchise.To buy Paktel GSM u had to give 200 RS just for credit (on activation u have 200 RS) and for jazz 130 RS just for credit (on activation u have 130 RS balance) and the sim was free..
so this the competition.
Posted by bilal
@comtrack
add these pictures on ur first page for WARID
Attached are the pics of Omer A. Haider (borwn suit), General Manager Govt. Regulation and Regulatory authority in Islamabad and a group photo of staffers with Rashid Khan General Manager Al-Warid Telecom.The fourth in row telecom operators hold a press conference in Marriott Islamabad on Saturday 07 May 2005.
[ This Message was edited by: bilal on 2005-06-06 11:44 ]
Posted by umerhayat
@bilal. Yahan fsd main mobilink ke har franchise per dhool wale khare hain aur woo loog dhool baja ker 130 ke sim 130 rupees ke balance ke sath sale ker rahe hain. About incompatibility i can not tell any thing as no one send me sms from web to sms. But on my 6600 the activation code they send was opened may be my firm ware some different as the 6600 is also a 2003 release set. Hope some one tell about it soon. Regards. Umer
Posted by bilal
@Umer
I also checked it on NOKIA 6600, its fine readable but Why not on NOKIA 7210,2100?
Posted by comtrak
hahahahha man MObilink and paktel were having fun man... As we all know Mobilink is Giant in PK so it has the baddest monopoly man... Hope tht some thing will b done tht the rates cut down some more but i will say tht there is a lot of difference in the rates as compared a year b4. comments??
in the race of Warid and Telenor there is a simple
telenor can use this slogan - "Looks can b deceptive" it only look tht their offices r v gud lookin n stuff but the service is not tht gud. the best thing of them is tht they introduced easyload and nothing else..
Posted by bilal
Now Let us hope TELENOR drop down its tarrif its highest of all.
Company loses its respect by selling connection just as PAKTEL & MOBILINK has done on arrival of WARID.
By the way MOBILINK is already the most disrespectful and PAKTEL has no self respect at all.
Posted by bilal
Hi I am posting from my mobile for the first time, UMER how u manage to write such a long message from mobile its very difficult man. Now i can't write any more
Posted by umerhayat
@ bilal. Ok man i try to explain the thing. When you use the key board of the pc first time in life you find it very odd also. All the alfa bats are scattered at least i felt like this that why a and b are so far on key board. Lol. So is the case of mobile keys first you feel difficult but if you use say an hour every day in 10 or 15 days you start typing fast on them. I use agile messenger every day an hour or more. So i am used to these keys. But only to 6600 keys some times when i try some other handset then i can not type fast. Hope this is enough explanation. Regards. Umer
Posted by comtrak
man u r talking abt mobilink 50% sale of sims is of mobilink and 50% share others thts y they dont give **** to respect no 1 can do anything to them thts y i was hearing from 2 yrs tht they r introducing GPRS and they have dont it just last month and which is on post paid and mobilink earns its 80% profit from Jazz but they dont giv a shit. but no 1 can beat mobilink rite now and 4 some coming yrs unless som comp do somthing v much big..
Posted by bilal
@UMER
Nice Explanation. I also checked that TELENOR is not stable in connection when I was typing the message, I was disconnected.
Posted by sibtainali
Salam!
BILAL........ if you have bluetooth mobile then you can purchase bluetooth keyboard ... if you feel difficult to write from mobile key pad..... some one told me that it's very cheap here in pakistan aprrox..1200Rs... dont know that it's true:-) because i purchased it from DUBAI for 310Dhs...its 5000Rs...
GOD bless you all
Posted by umerhayat
Ah man. How huge is that guy i mean that key board. We need sets which has that big nice screen. Who has a key board which fold in or even simple keys fold in and light weight and with long battery life. Lol. We do not like to carry an extra key board with the set. 3230 and p910i are good sets for us. Any one using agile on 3230. Does agile work fine on it and what about its price and every thing . Regards. Umer
Posted by sibtainali
Salam!
UMERHAYAT brother don't worry it's not heavy like me
it can fit in your front pocket very easly and it's folding....and 50 hours battery timing... i use that keybaord and really its amazing...
GOD bless you all
Posted by comtrak
have the newz tht Warid is converting its tech in to 3.5GHZ circuits by the end of this year so the voice and data speed and quality will b improved.. they r working on EDGE right now and will b consedring 3G soon.. any reports???
Posted by comtrak
yar tell me som cool sutff for 3230 and its softwares like angile mess i dont know abt the latest thanx i m waiting refer to the sites if u can..
Posted by umerhayat
@sibtainali. ok man nice then. @comtrack. man WARID must first fix the network and signal problem about which we are crying then they start EDGE or what ever but first thing is first we need the network detection on inserting the sim and we need good reliable full signals
Regards
Umer
Posted by SE7
Comtrak, warid is then then only cellular company in the world which is converting to 3.5G technology! For ur kind info the world has not yet adopted 3G,there is no existence of 3.5G todate! UMTS is 3G,EDGE is still 2.5G
Posted by aainpak
Salam,
Just new to the forum
Saw this msg........
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I am using mobilink since last year.... i think its only rare that the calls dont connect. Even the international calls that i make (UK, USA, TANZANIA, DUBAI) connect on first try......thats great really.
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Not once in the whole one year that i have used mobilink, has any sms been late, lest to say abt msges getting disappeared.
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Again, never occured to me. But heard of it years ago really.......
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I have its sim as well. but not once have i dared to make it my primary line. the reason being, the network connectivity problem (that also not always......but i believe its not better than mobilink in call connectivity).
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Remember than Ufone is the only compnay which enables u to send international sms for 1.50 rs. thats excellent for me |
thats excellent for everyone.......
Posted by umerhayat
@aainpak. No offense man. Ok my friend. What ever you said about the call connectivity and sms even if we accept it. But still mobilink has no delivery report system for sms. So if other user has switch off or out of signal range then we can not know that he got the message or not or at what time it was delivered. I my self do not feel satisfied until i see the delivery report for the message. Up till now mobilink has gprs only in 4 cities for post paid users only not started for pre paid jazz users. On other net works interconnect charges apply. So you can only call mobilink users on cheap rates. Voice quality is very poor. Only advantage mobilink has is its vast coverage and has sold much more connections than others. Other wise it has nothing to offer to the users. Regards. Umer
Posted by comtrak
se7 man if u plz read my post again carefully i said they r testing EDGE rite now will b introducing 3G shortly (dont know when)... and the thing 3.5 is 3.5GHZ i repeat 3.5MHZ its the speed of data coll and the quality of it i didnt say they r introducing 3.5G ok man so plz first read gud then understand and then comment ok dude i think i have made this thing clear to u or if u still want to know anything u know what to do
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Posted by SE7
@Comtrak,keep it cool, i concede that i read it wrong and apolize to u! However, as per my naive knowledge there r only four frequency bands which are being used by GSM companies around the globe, that is why u might have seen that new phones are Quad-band (GSM 850/900/1800/1900), this means 850 MHZ, 1900 MHZ etc.In fact for ur knowledge these frequencies are allocated by the Government under licence to the cellular companies! Most interestingly, non of these frequencies is 3.5 MHZ or 3.5 GHZ! Are u dead sure that what u wrote is true by any chance??????
Coming to our discussion, if Warid is in Pakistan introducing 3.5 GHZ/ 3.5 MHZ then it must be a revolution in the telecom industry in the world and it will be a big achievement, lolz, and this is highly unlikely! my mind doesnt accept that!
Anybody else wana express his/her comments on this? Anyone having more technical info might correct me if i am wrong!!
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[ This Message was edited by: SE7 on 2005-06-11 21:03 ]
Posted by umerhayat
hi Guys
I think se7 is right
comtrack has miss understood
General Packet Radio Service (GPRS) EGPRS and EDGE are i think data transfer technologies not frequencies
GPRS allows mobile phones to be used for sending and receiving data.
regards
umer
Posted by aainpak
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Agreed to much an extent.
But u will admit to the fact that sometimes although the ufone delivers an sms, but delivery report still shows PENDING. This happens, although sometimes.
Secondly, sometimes, ufone smses hang on its way. Then we give a miss call to the recipient, and then only the message gets delivered.
Mobilink GPRS has been a late comer, plus a slow progress. I agree. But it has to cater to a big network of users. Thats a task really. If they open it for everyone at the same time, then might be they'll hav a slow GPRS. So they hav started on a limited (postpaid) and only in 4 cities.
Again, u r right that delivery reports are not there in mobilink, and thats sad. But still i feel confident in sending msges as never once in the last 12 or 13 months that i hav used mobilink, have any msg not been delivered.
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Posted by umerhayat
@Aainpak. Yes man you are right about the two problems of the ufone sms that you mentioned. But as you said your self. It happens on very very rare. You are also right about the fact that the mobilink sms almost always delivers. But we do not know about the time at which it is delivered. As i already said that if other user has switch off or out of range we will never come to know when he got message. Regards. Umer