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K750 / W800 Firmware Overview

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Posted by El Martino
Quote:

On 2006-03-25 11:05:58, snowdevl wrote:
I know its software related, because when clicking the buttons, they still make the key click sound, but they just dont do anything.



You sure it's software related? Hearing a click doesn't mean that it can't be hardware related. Have you tried running the key test in the service menu?


Posted by XGate
Quote:

hhmm, prolly a hardware failure, it coincided when you have updated the device thinkin that the update was the cause of this failure...

try returning it to the shop for replacement... is still under warranty?



Yes, it is. I don't get it though. The last firmware upgrades did work. Maybe the update didn't go well. i'll retry again on another machine. thanks!

Quote:

On 2006-03-25 10:24:02, bosched wrote:
I would agree, does sound like a hardware problem to me, the only other thing you could try is to uninstall then reinstall seus, run seus and say continue anyway when it says no update available. seus will then redownload the firmware and flash your phone again, just incase your phone has had a bad flash..



I'll try that, Thanks!

[ This Message was edited by: XGate on 2006-03-25 12:34 ]

Posted by Prince85
I'm trying to update my K750i using a DCU-60 cable but everytime I get to the point where it says "Insert the USB cable" when I do my mobile keeps turning on!

Posted by 1immortal
hmmm .... ok . k750i , updated it to the last version , & some wierd problem started .
i have this CDS-60 connected to my comp , & the phone is in it all the time .
every time that i boot up the computer with the phone on it , my paired computer , in the bluetooth configuration simply dissapears .
i'm using conseptronic bt dongle , & i have to repair every time again , its driving me crazy .
this thing started only after the update from the SE software , with the latest version .
the CDS connected to the computer with the original cable .
any1 else with this wierd stuff ?
don't really want to flash it backwards , but there must be some thing about it ....
help ?

Posted by snowdevl
Quote:

On 2006-03-25 13:16:50, El Martino wrote:
Quote:

On 2006-03-25 11:05:58, snowdevl wrote:
I know its software related, because when clicking the buttons, they still make the key click sound, but they just dont do anything.



You sure it's software related? Hearing a click doesn't mean that it can't be hardware related. Have you tried running the key test in the service menu?




Im pretty sure it is software related. Also, the phone will turn using the power button at the top, but then it wont turn off, even tho its the same button, if that makes any sense at all lol. Sounds like software to me..

Also, I cant run the key test because I cant press the side buttons on the joystick to get to the service menu... hahaha

Posted by >500
What version SEUS do people have. Mine is version 1.0.0.0
Do people have a different one? I went to the SE website and downloaded the new one, but still says i have this version.
Is this why it keeps telling me my phone is up to date.?

Posted by El Martino
Quote:

On 2006-03-26 10:41:11, snowdevl wrote:

Also, I cant run the key test because I cant press the side buttons on the joystick to get to the service menu... hahaha




Mmm... That really stinks! Perhaps try a master reset? Otherwise I suggest bringing it to a service center. :-/

Posted by Brankar
snowdevl

Im sure it is hardware related. When i press < in the key test in the service menu the response is arrow downleft or upleft or something else,see picture.


Posted by snowdevl
Quote:

On 2006-03-26 12:45:25, El Martino wrote:
Quote:

On 2006-03-26 10:41:11, snowdevl wrote:

Also, I cant run the key test because I cant press the side buttons on the joystick to get to the service menu... hahaha




Mmm... That really stinks! Perhaps try a master reset? Otherwise I suggest bringing it to a service center. :-/




Yup, tried a full master reset. Tried reinstalling the firmware twice. Theres no SE service centers here in NZ, and I dont wanna pay a dodgy phone repair store big bucks, just for them to tell me it cant be fixed or something.

Brankar: Yeah but this happened straight after a firmware upgrade. The phone was working fine 1min before the upgrade, then as soon as I turned it on after, it wasnt working. Also, I cant get to the service menu to do a key test because I cant use the joystick left button, as mentioned above.

If it was hardware, wouldnt the whole joystick stop working instead of just two directions?

Posted by O2 K750i
Snowdevl

Sounds like you should use Davinci to flash back to R1AA - got to be worth a try before sending away for repair.



Posted by snowdevl
How do I use Da Vinci?
How much does it cost, and how do I pay? Dont have a credit card...

Posted by dreams
Latest update!

R1BC002
- Released on SEUS for the K750 on 9/3/06.
- Released on SEUS for the W800 on 18/3/06
- Free memory is now listed in MB instead of KB. WORKS
- Photos are now taken as soon as the shutter sound is heard. WORKS
- Slight increase in speaker and headphone volume. NOT SURE
- Slight increase in phone responsiveness. YEAH
- FIX: Background noise during lower volume calls ('hissing bug') now fixed. I NEVER HAD THIS PROBLEM
- FIX: Picture zooming bug fixed. Pictures larger than 1632 pixels wide and/or 1224 pixels tall can now be zoomed into. (under dispute) YES
- FIX: All USB transfer issues now fixed. YES
- FIX: Increased stability in PhotoDJ and VideoDJ applcations. NOT SURE. DON'T USE THEM
- BUG: m4a tags are not read with this firmware. CANNOT READ! I SAID THAT IT DID WORK BECAUSE I DIDN'T LOAD A NEW PLAYLIST.
- JBenchmark 3D LQ: 202
- JBenchmark 3D HQ: 126
- JBenchmark 2: 340
- JBenchmark 1: 3889
- Software versions:
LCD 0
Camera 4.5
ITP CXC 125 932 R1B

Posted by superleeds27
Quote:

On 2006-03-26 18:00:19, dreams wrote:
Latest update!

R1BC002
- Released on SEUS for the K750 on 9/3/06.
- Released on SEUS for the W800 on 18/3/06
- Free memory is now listed in MB instead of KB. WORKS
- Photos are now taken as soon as the shutter sound is heard. WORKS
- Slight increase in speaker and headphone volume. NOT SURE
- Slight increase in phone responsiveness. YEAH
- FIX: Background noise during lower volume calls ('hissing bug') now fixed. I NEVER HAD THIS PROBLEM
- FIX: Picture zooming bug fixed. Pictures larger than 1632 pixels wide and/or 1224 pixels tall can now be zoomed into. (under dispute) YES
- FIX: All USB transfer issues now fixed. YES
- FIX: Increased stability in PhotoDJ and VideoDJ applcations. NOT SURE. DON'T USE THEM
- BUG: m4a tags are not read with this firmware. CANNOT READ! I SAID THAT IT DID WORK BECAUSE I DIDN'T LOAD A NEW PLAYLIST.
- JBenchmark 3D LQ: 202
- JBenchmark 3D HQ: 126
- JBenchmark 2: 340
- JBenchmark 1: 3889
- Software versions:
LCD 0
Camera 4.5
ITP CXC 125 932 R1B




We already knew this

Posted by bono.bel
Quote:

On 2006-03-26 18:00:19, dreams wrote:
Latest update!

R1BC002
- Released on SEUS for the K750 on 9/3/06.
- Released on SEUS for the W800 on 18/3/06
- Free memory is now listed in MB instead of KB. WORKS
- Photos are now taken as soon as the shutter sound is heard. WORKS
- Slight increase in speaker and headphone volume. NOT SURE
- Slight increase in phone responsiveness. YEAH
- FIX: Background noise during lower volume calls ('hissing bug') now fixed. I NEVER HAD THIS PROBLEM
- FIX: Picture zooming bug fixed. Pictures larger than 1632 pixels wide and/or 1224 pixels tall can now be zoomed into. (under dispute) YES
- FIX: All USB transfer issues now fixed. YES
- FIX: Increased stability in PhotoDJ and VideoDJ applcations. NOT SURE. DON'T USE THEM
- BUG: m4a tags are not read with this firmware. CANNOT READ! I SAID THAT IT DID WORK BECAUSE I DIDN'T LOAD A NEW PLAYLIST.
- JBenchmark 3D LQ: 202
- JBenchmark 3D HQ: 126
- JBenchmark 2: 340
- JBenchmark 1: 3889
- Software versions:
LCD 0
Camera 4.5
ITP CXC 125 932 R1B

- FIX: Picture zooming bug fixed. Pictures larger than 1632 pixels wide and/or 1224 pixels tall can now be zoomed into. (under dispute) NO

Posted by Firefreak
Anyone else noticed that the volume setting for Ringtones now has 8 levels. Did it before R1BC?

The volume on level 8 is insane.

Posted by darrengf
snowdevl

Regarding your phone and joystick.

The fault is not firmware related but the joy stick faulty.

I have had the same fault on 5 x k750i.

I have had to have new joysticks in them all. Some had firmwares updates before and some didnt.

I do know that the K750 has a very poor joystick, Even SE knows this and have changed the joystick in the K800 to stop the problems.

Not sure why it happened straight after the update but i can tell you it isnt firmware related.

Posted by bombadil
Just updated to R1BC002. Looks and works good!!!

Posted by rockygali
Quote:

On 2006-03-26 19:09:59, bono.bel wrote:
Quote:

On 2006-03-26 18:00:19, dreams wrote:
Latest update!

R1BC002
- Released on SEUS for the K750 on 9/3/06.
- Released on SEUS for the W800 on 18/3/06
- Free memory is now listed in MB instead of KB. WORKS
- Photos are now taken as soon as the shutter sound is heard. WORKS
- Slight increase in speaker and headphone volume. NOT SURE
- Slight increase in phone responsiveness. YEAH
- FIX: Background noise during lower volume calls ('hissing bug') now fixed. I NEVER HAD THIS PROBLEM
- FIX: Picture zooming bug fixed. Pictures larger than 1632 pixels wide and/or 1224 pixels tall can now be zoomed into. (under dispute) YES
- FIX: All USB transfer issues now fixed. YES
- FIX: Increased stability in PhotoDJ and VideoDJ applcations. NOT SURE. DON'T USE THEM
- BUG: m4a tags are not read with this firmware. CANNOT READ! I SAID THAT IT DID WORK BECAUSE I DIDN'T LOAD A NEW PLAYLIST.
- JBenchmark 3D LQ: 202
- JBenchmark 3D HQ: 126
- JBenchmark 2: 340
- JBenchmark 1: 3889
- Software versions:
LCD 0
Camera 4.5
ITP CXC 125 932 R1B

- FIX: Picture zooming bug fixed. Pictures larger than 1632 pixels wide and/or 1224 pixels tall can now be zoomed into. (under dispute) NO



wot do you mean NO? can you zoom in on yer pix larger than 1632?

Posted by snowdevl
Quote:

On 2006-03-26 19:58:19, darrengf wrote:
snowdevl

Regarding your phone and joystick.

The fault is not firmware related but the joy stick faulty.

I have had the same fault on 5 x k750i.

I have had to have new joysticks in them all. Some had firmwares updates before and some didnt.

I do know that the K750 has a very poor joystick, Even SE knows this and have changed the joystick in the K800 to stop the problems.

Not sure why it happened straight after the update but i can tell you it isnt firmware related.



Yeah, but how does that explain the power button, back button, 'C' button, two softkeys, and 1,2,3 buttons not working....?? hehe

Posted by Lukhasz
possibly bug:
R1BC002:
when you make a new shortcut for joystick-right - calendar. you turn your phone off, and later on - the shortcut doesnt exists!
can you check it on your's phone?

Posted by mwarner
dreams
FIX: Picture zooming bug fixed. Pictures larger than 1632 pixels wide and/or 1224 pixels tall can now be zoomed into. (under dispute) YES

bono.bel
- FIX: Picture zooming bug fixed. Pictures larger than 1632 pixels wide and/or 1224 pixels tall can now be zoomed into. (under dispute) NO

Hopefully you can see why I labeled it 'under dispute' . I would very much appreciate it if others with R1BC could try this out for me and let me know the results.

Some instructions:

Download the following images:

1600 x 1200
http://img2.dpreview.com/gall[....]s/originals/010319-0950-20.jpg

2048 x 1536
http://img2.dpreview.com/gall[....]samples/originals/img_0596.jpg

3072 x 2048
http://img2.dpreview.com/gall[....]1/originals/030315-1453-32.jpg

Copy them to your phone over the supplied USB cable. Copy the files to:
:\MSSEMC\Media files\image

You should find that you can see all three images in File Manager / Pictures.

Select the picture of the boat, then select Horizontal. You should be able to zoom into this 1600x1200 image.
Try the other two images, which are larger than 1600x1200, and test the zoom functionality when in Horizontal mode.

On my R1AA phone, zooming does not occur. Users performing this test with R1BC firmware, please PM me or post your results here.

> Anyone else noticed that the volume setting for Ringtones
> now has 8 levels. Did it before R1BC?

Yes, it has always had 8 levels.

Mike

[ This Message was edited by: mwarner on 2006-03-27 12:36 ]

Posted by kulorex
i just updated my sisters K750 to R1BC and it works just fine except for the stability of the photoDJ.

Posted by max_wedge
Bad news. I Just tested with those pictures - my R1BC DOES NOT zoom in on the two biggest pics, so the zoom bug on pics bigger than 1600x1200 is not fixed for my Optus branded handset.

Not happy

Posted by Brankar
Quote:

On 2006-03-27 14:10:05, kulorex wrote:
i just updated my sisters K750 to R1BC and it works just fine except for the stability of the photoDJ.



Your siters K750i is branded or not?

Posted by pappfer
Zoom for bigger pics doesn't work for me neither.

Posted by mwarner
Just done some tests. So far I have tested the R1AA008 and R1N035 firmwares, neither of which can zoom into pictures >1600x1200. I am beginning to suspect that no firmware revision allows you to zoom into a picture >1600x1200, as R1N035 was released before the zoom changes of R1AA. I could be wrong, of course!

I have access to an R1A phone too (and possibly an R1L), so i'll test these when I can find their owners .

Mike



Posted by mwarner
Interesting. Just tried an R1A044 phone, and that does correctly zoom into the 2048 x 1536 picture, but does not even display the 3072 x 2048 image.

Now looks like the zoom cap ocurred earlier than R1N035, but later than R1A044.

The only 'official' releases were R1J002 and R1L002, of which only R1L002 was widely distributed.

I would be grateful if someone with R1L firmware could test the pictures I have linked to above and let me know the results.

Posted by biasiman
shall i upgrade from R1N035? I dont mind about increased volume or faster rotatings of pics. Moreover with t new firmware the m4a tags are not read??? That's a huge bug... is the pics better than in r1n035 as they say from R1AA008

"Center Weighted Average metering used instead of standard Average metering to improve photos in lower level lighting conditions. "

althought the camera is still 4.5? How happen the camera is still 4.5 if such improvement has been made?

thanks

Corrado

Posted by Sir Ice
New feature: when in camera mode a small icon appears when light is on.

Posted by mwarner
@biasiman

Well, read the first post and decice for yourself whether the changes are worth the upgrade. It's pretty obvious that R1BC offers a large number of fixes over R1N, but if none of them cause you a problem, but you consider the MP4 tag issue important, then stay as you are. Personally I think R1BC is by far the best firmware so far, despite it's occasional flaw.

I don't suppose anyone with R1L has tried my zoom test yet have they?

Posted by kreacher
Quote:

On 2006-03-27 17:12:00, mwarner wrote:
@biasiman

Well, read the first post and decice for yourself whether the changes are worth the upgrade. It's pretty obvious that R1BC offers a large number of fixes over R1N, but if none of them cause you a problem, but you consider the MP4 tag issue important, then stay as you are. Personally I think R1BC is by far the best firmware so far, despite it's occasional flaw.


I agree, I started out on R1N035 and I think this one is pretty good so far.

Posted by Lukhasz
Quote:

On 2006-03-27 12:02:08, Lukhasz wrote:
possibly bug:
R1BC002:
when you make a new shortcut for joystick-right - calendar. you turn your phone off, and later on - the shortcut doesnt exists!
can you check it on your's phone?


does anybody check it?

Posted by El Martino
I've heard about that issue before, so I don't think it has been introduced with this new firmware.

Posted by serg
Lukhasz
that bug is in R1J too

Posted by hørting
@ sir ice

Always been there

Posted by tion
any k750i o2 users yet ??

Posted by O2 K750i
Quote:

On 2006-03-27 22:25:23, tion wrote:
any k750i o2 users yet ??



Nope

Posted by superleeds27
oh ok, should be released soom

Posted by DRZ
Quote:

On 2006-03-27 19:16:54, Lukhasz wrote:
Quote:

On 2006-03-27 12:02:08, Lukhasz wrote:
possibly bug:
R1BC002:
when you make a new shortcut for joystick-right - calendar. you turn your phone off, and later on - the shortcut doesnt exists!
can you check it on your's phone?


does anybody check it?


Works fine with R1L002!

Posted by max_wedge
I had R1L002, but can't remember specifically trying larger than 1600x1200 zooms.

Another thing that I've noticed with R1BC, it doesn't support ask once bluetooth permissions, which is something that was included in R1N. Was this feature dropped? Can anyone copy files to their R1BC handset via bluetooth without prompting for every file?



Posted by arnoldc
I'd like to note that on call recording, it now asks to "Save" the recording even if you selected Record already. Prior to this, it simply records away.

Posted by Dan_Aykroyd
Tested the pictures on R1L002; as warner, I can't see the 3 MB one, but can zoom on the 'middle' one, although it's so painfully slow that I think you shouldn't worry much about the feature being included or not since it's pretty useless...

@max: really, doesn't it allow unasked BT transfers? Damn it! One of the main reasons for leaving R1L002... can any other confirm this?

Posted by mujin
What about phone restart after deleted some java application or game.
Is it a bug on this F/W or ?

Posted by kristianm
Quote:

On 2006-03-28 02:14:48, arnoldc wrote:
I'd like to note that on call recording, it now asks to "Save" the recording even if you selected Record already. Prior to this, it simply records away.



After selecting "Record" from the More menu, the phone starts recording the call right away. I have the "Save" action on the left softkey then. Pressing "Save" would stop the recording and save the file under Sounds.

Posted by Scorpio72
Yes ! I told about this bug before ! Restarting after deleting java app/game! I think that when there is a lot of app/games, the bug is effective. I have 115 games and 75 app. I tried turning phone off, removed the battery for 5min. The bug disapeared. But after 6 deleted, it came back again !

Posted by biasiman
Anyone saw any improvement on pic quality since R1BC? it is written

"Center Weighted Average metering used instead of standard Average metering to improve photos in lower level lighting conditions."

Is it true? How if the camera is still 4.5...

thanks

Corrado

Posted by mwarner
Thanks for your replies. I updated the first post yesterday stating that the Zoom issue started with R1N035, and as user don't seem to have the problem with R1L i'll keep the entry as it is now.
Personally I think the firmware was specifically rewritten to stop >2MP pictures being zoomed into for stability reasons.

Incidentally, I am getting reports in that the M4A tag reading bug is not actually present in R1BC. Any others want to back this up? Looks like I may have to write another test for you guys to go through! It will be so much easier when O2 realease R1BC for my K750!!

[ This Message was edited by: mwarner on 2006-03-28 18:17 ]

Posted by max_wedge
Quote:

On 2006-03-28 03:07:23, Dan_Aykroyd wrote:
Tested the pictures on R1L002; as warner, I can't see the 3 MB one, but can zoom on the 'middle' one, although it's so painfully slow that I think you shouldn't worry much about the feature being included or not since it's pretty useless...

@max: really, doesn't it allow unasked BT transfers? Damn it! One of the main reasons for leaving R1L002... can any other confirm this?




I know, this is a big disappointment. Unless I'm doing something wrong - I went to bluetooth permissions on the phone, set my pc in the list of bluetooth devices to "ask once" under the "allow connection" menu (out of two options - "ask once" and "ask always"), yet it still prompts every single time!

@mwarner,
re: the zoom issue, a little extra info, I find that I don't even have the zoom option for large images (R1BC). I can rotate them to horizontal, but there is simply no option to zoom in as there is with smaller images.

So it looks like you are right - it's been removed for images larger than 1600x1200. I can view and rotate the large images perfectly, just not zoom them.

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Posted by johny_dmonic
Quote:

On 2006-03-28 19:14:56, mwarner wrote:
...
Incidentally, I am getting reports in that the M4A tag reading bug is not actually present in R1BC. Any others want to back this up? Looks like I may have to write another test for you guys to go through! It will be so much easier when O2 realease R1BC for my K750!!

[ This Message was edited by: mwarner on 2006-03-28 18:17 ]



the m4a tag reading is only applicable on the w800i. if you load or create a new playlist after updating to r1bc, the m4a tags of those files cannot be read. however, if you've got an old playlist before upgrading and you still use that, the m4a tags are present. but regardless whether you're using old or new playlist, the music title indicator on the top of the screen now displays the actual filename rather than artist - title that was present in r1aa.

Posted by arnoldc
Maybe I'm not clear, the things is, prior to R1BC, it simply saves it without you having to press "Save". The problem is, when the party you're calling dropped the call, you will not have an opportunity to save!! I find that ridiculous.

Quote:

On 2006-03-28 10:09:32, kristianm wrote:
Quote:

On 2006-03-28 02:14:48, arnoldc wrote:
I'd like to note that on call recording, it now asks to "Save" the recording even if you selected Record already. Prior to this, it simply records away.



After selecting "Record" from the More menu, the phone starts recording the call right away. I have the "Save" action on the left softkey then. Pressing "Save" would stop the recording and save the file under Sounds.




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