Posted by Muhammad-Oli
No mate, the C905 is the K850i's successor. The W910i's successor hasn't been announced yet.
You can be sure the C905 will arrive here. Eventually.
Posted by yea g
ah I thought that, just as I wrote it I thought the w910s successor would be the W595
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
I found this on the Vodafone website here.
Data, PXT and Video Calls are charged dependent on the overseas network. Data roaming with Vodafone costs far less than other networks, but if your laptop decides to download the latest Microsoft security update while it's in your hotel room, you can come home to quite a big surprise.
The bit that really got me laughing was "Data roaming with Vodafone costs far less than other networks". I mean, what the hell are they thinking? I'd bet it would be far cheaper to buy a new sim card overseas and use that. What they said is a blatant lie.
Also interesting is the cost of text messages from overseas. I went over to Australia in 2005 and I was texting my girlfriend a lot from there, and each text was costing me 20 cents, which I was thinking was ok at the time, but now with TXT 2000 and all that, even 20 cents is too much for a single text.
Buuuut I've just been looking up all these charges on behalf of my parents and brother who have just gone off to Spain and France, and was shocked to find out that late last year, Vodafone changed their charges for the worst. Texting from overseas back to a New Zealand mobile now costs 80 cents! A 400% increase... That is just so crap. They also now charge $1 if you pick up a call while overseas. Crap.
I'm becoming increasingly frustrated with Vodafone recently, because they are constantly making the deal worse for Prepay customers, and their plans aren't getting much better at all. Remember my original first post in this thread? I said:
"We could complain about so much!"
Well that all improved for a while, but now it's gone back to complaining for me. Vodafone's service is absolute crap and I am not at all satisfied.
For example, it now costs $1 just to call customer services! My mum was going to call to find out about roaming costs, but didn't in the end because it was gonna charge her $1 for it! She ended up leaving a message at the local Vodafone store for someone to call her back. Nobody ever called.
The thing is that the only reason I'd ever call Vodafone is because they had made a mistake. I have been charged several times on Vodafone Live buying games, and then when I've gone to download them, Vodafone's service screwed up and I didn't get what I've bought.
So now I have to pay to get my money back. I'm sorry but that is just ****!
Also, they've made it so we now have to pay to use their IOU service. They recently changed it so prepay credit only lasts 6 months. They made it so if your TXT 2000 expires and you have no money on your account to renew it, they'll leave it a few days so that if you top up, your TXT 2000 will renew. That sounds fine, but it means that if you top up and don't want TXT 2000 to renew, you have to be aware and go and cancel it. Pain in the arse I say. Grrr...
Rant over.
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
On 2008-09-15 12:14:21, yea g wrote:
ah I thought that, just as I wrote it I thought the w910s successor would be the W595
Nah, the W595 is the W580i's successor. The W910i's successor hasn't been announced yet. The W910i is still very popular overseas, so I'd say they might not announce the successor for a while.
Posted by yea g
hmm... Don't worry Oli B&W will come soon and when telecom gets there gsm network up and running then telstra clear and telecom might actually stand a chance. Sounds like we may no longer be ruled by vodafone (yay!!)
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
Yeah true, perhaps Vodafone know they will need to drop their prices soon, so they charging a bit more for everything while they can. Bastards.
Posted by yea g
Welcome to NZ
Posted by carkitter
On 2008-09-15 12:27:41, Muhammad-Oli wrote:
On 2008-09-15 12:14:21, yea g wrote:
ah I thought that, just as I wrote it I thought the w910s successor would be the W595
Nah, the W595 is the W580i's successor. The W910i's successor hasn't been announced yet. The W910i is still very popular overseas, so I'd say they might not announce the successor for a while.
I disagree. The W580i is a 2.5G phone while the W910 and the W595 are both HSDPA phones. It could be argued that the W595 competes with/supercedes the 3.2Mp HSDPA W760 also so I guess the price will determine it's positioning but I doubt it'll come in higher than the W910 release price of $799; I'm thinking $599-$699ish I think the W595 is the phone the W910 should have been. The current price of the W910 (including a 4GB M2) is a steal and should kick start some serious buying IMO.
I don't see the C905 as a K850 successor; C902 does that job very well. I think C905 is a new market for SE - a true N95 competitor, the swiss army knife we all want. Most of all, I think the C905 is the flagship model the P1i, W960 and K850i all failed to be. Only a 5.0 or 8.1 Mp Xperia would top it IMO.
Regarding roaming, Australia and the Pacific Islands are just like being in NZ as far as VodaNZ is concerned, with UK, US being cheap too. As for Spain - ouch! is all I can say.
I'm no expert on Apple products including the iPhone but AFAIK they'll only accept certain file types delivered exclusively though iTunes, unlike my V640 in Mass Storage mode which can be instantly recognised by any computer and easily recieve files from Windows Explorer in a nanosecond.
On 2008-09-15 12:22:07, Muhammad-Oli wrote:
I found this on the Vodafone website here.
Data, PXT and Video Calls are charged dependent on the overseas network. Data roaming with Vodafone costs far less than other networks, but if your laptop decides to download the latest Microsoft security update while it's in your hotel room, you can come home to quite a big surprise.
The worst part is that a few hundred customers had to find that out the hard way before VodaNZ would post that and even then instore staff won't be aware of it...
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Posted by Muhammad-Oli
Um well, as you know, I follow the 2008 Rumours thread pretty closely (I'm running the 2009 one so you'd expect me to follow it!) and that's what the W595 was introduced to us as by the resident experts - As the W580i successor. And I think the improvements are logical. Also, the W595 is quite obviously following the same design philosophies as the W580i did.
And the C902 isn't the K850i successor because it makes no improvements over the K850i except in size, reliability, usability and arguably in appearance. Successors should make significant improvements on the model they replace, both in specs and usability, and the C905 certainly does improve on the K850i. But the C902 doesn't have a xenon flash, has a smaller screen, and is otherwise pretty much the same as the K850i, so it is not the successor. You must also look at their status in the SE range. The K850i -> C905 is the imaging flagship, whilst the C902 is a new product for a new range - Its a fashion conscious imaging phone.
My old 2nd gen iPod Nano worked for mass storage. Sure you couldn't access it through the menus, but there was no need because you couldn't send it or open it or anything through the menus because all the thing did was music and photos. But once attached to a computer you could retrieve it. Are you sure the iPhone doesn't have that feature?
Posted by carkitter
On 2008-09-17 05:22:45, Muhammad-Oli wrote:
Um well, as you know, I follow the 2008 Rumours thread pretty closely (I'm running the 2009 one so you'd expect me to follow it!)...
Congratulations, that a significant job and I can't think of anyone better to do it!
On 2008-09-17 05:22:45, Muhammad-Oli wrote:
...And the C902 isn't the K850i successor because it makes no improvements over the K850i except in size, reliability, usability and arguably in appearance. Successors should make significant improvements on the model they replace, both in specs and usability, and the C905 certainly does improve on the K850i. But the C902 doesn't have a xenon flash, has a smaller screen, and is otherwise pretty much the same as the K850i, so it is not the successor. You must also look at their status in the SE range. The K850i -> C905 is the imaging flagship, whilst the C902 is a new product for a new range - Its a fashion conscious imaging phone.
I still think the C902 is the K850 successor because of the improvements in size, reliability and usablity, and the continuation of touchscreen functions proves it. It's more of a sideways step like the K800 -> K810, but a move forward non-the-less because the work involved in creating a 5.0 Mp, HSDPA, semi-slider phone that is only 10mm thin should not be underestimated. The lack of Xenon flash and screen size is consistant with SE policy as seen in W800 -> W700 and T650 -> T700 and matters not in the grand scheme of things because SE don't make their phones for us enthusiasts
but for the networks and the great unwashed masses. K850i/W800/T650 were headline grabbers, while C902/W700/T700 build on an established theme. To the networks and joe public, Xenon or LED flash means very little; price and camera megapixels are the few things that make it into the spec summary in the Bond & Bond and Harvey Norman ads.
IMO the biggest thing to consider is form factor. The C905 as a slider is positioned differently to the K850i/C902 candybars. If you add wifi to K850i/C902 (as IMO SE should) you won't be competing with the N95 but the N82 and that's an important difference in the market. The C905 is a late attempt at the N95 recipe and whether it works depends on whether that market segment still exists, or has moved on to the X1/N96/iPhone large (touch) screen multimedia devices.
There will probably be a 8.1 Mp Cybershot candybar device at some stage which will supercede the C902. As for image conscious, it looks to me like all SE phones will become 'image conscious' as that becomes SE's main point of difference.
I'm trying to think where a
slider phone specced above the W595 would fit in and I can't ATM. A 5.0 Mp (possibly wifi) slider may steal sales from both W902 and C905 and would have more in common with W960 than W910 as far as the networks are concerned.
I may be very wrong as I have no idea what is under development in the Rumours thread, I'm approaching this subject from a marketing perspective.
You are probably right about the Nano/iPhone, I'll need to try plugging the Nano into a PC at the library to see if I can store files on it without iTunes being involved. The modem issue may have a work around if I jailbreak it (not that I want to) but if the Mass Storage works then the biggest barrier to overcome is pretty much solved.
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
Thanks mate, I look forward to having a go at the 2009 thread. I'll get it looking nice like our first post hopefully.
Hey you might be right about all this successor talk. I mean, its not like Sony Ericsson themselves have come out and said "the W595 is the successor to the W580 and the C905 is the successor to the K850i and they're totally way better and you should buy them definitely." ...Yeah. We can only really rely on what the "experts" say. (And to be honest who really cares that much!
)
Also, with the iPod, I seem to remember that mass storage mode had to be enabled via iTunes. But its easy to do, there was a pretty obvious button on the screen where it shows a summary of your iPod's memory usage. I'm sure you can work it out!
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
Lol I think Vodafone are confused:
I'll take the bottom one!
But I guess it's good the W910i looks like it's selling. Also worth noting is that the K850i has disappeared from the store at the moment. It will be interesting to see whether it comes back, or whether they've given up on it. If they have given up then they're stupid. All they need to do is actually release the latest firmware so Vodafone phones can have it, rather than leaving their customers stuck on an older, buggy firmware.
Posted by carkitter
Do we know that the Voda spec K850i's were buggy? Maybe the only had a small amont of them judging by how difficult it is to shift $700+ SE phone that people percieve lack features... Ceratinly thin phones like the C902 add something new and appealing to the marketplace.
Without the big screens and wifi, SE phones won't attract the small enthusiast market in NZ meaning they can only sell mid-range products at parallel imported prices.
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
Apparently frankthetank's K850i was buggy at least before he updated it. I would assume not everyone will know to update it though.
Yeah you're probably right though, they probably only ordered a small shipment.
Posted by yea g
On 2008-09-17 14:37:04, Muhammad-Oli wrote:
Lol I think Vodafone are confused:
I'll take the bottom one!
But I guess it's good the W910i looks like it's selling. Also worth noting is that the K850i has disappeared from the store at the moment. It will be interesting to see whether it comes back, or whether they've given up on it. If they have given up then they're stupid. All they need to do is actually release the latest firmware so Vodafone phones can have it, rather than leaving their customers stuck on an older, buggy firmware.
Ill take the top one thanks!
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
Well then you'd get nothing! It's out of stock!
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
Went into a few mobile stores today and I saw a couple of dummies for the C702 and G502. The C902 is apparently on its way for $900 (Ha! I spent under $700 on mine!).
Anyway, the C702 dummies are awful. Like bad plastic, bad camera cover slider and they just generally look like a cheap kids toy. I hope people ask to see the real thing before buying! One thing I did like were the colours. I don't know whether the colours on the dummies are realistic, but the silver on black looked a lot darker than in official pictures, which in my opinion suits the phone better.
The G502s look really nice! I saw both a black and a silver dummy and it looks quality! Nice design, nice materials and nice colours. Plus it's tiny! I expect it to sell well just cause people love small things (That's not what she said...).
Posted by JiSm
The C702s are exactly that colour and actually feel better than the dummies. The G502s are way cool and feel great to hold, like the c902. Where I work, they decided to to release the C702 due to its build quality! (where as I say it is better build than the dummy, its only a tad better)Nevermind. Not missing much really. Haha
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
Apparently the C702s aren't actually all that great and the paint wears off easy. I'm glad I decided on the C902 in the end and didn't go for the C702. I'm really happy with my choice! So where are you working over there JiSm?
Posted by yea g
hey how do you cange how long the phone rings before going to voice mail. is it something to do with the phone or is it vodafone (wouldn't be the first time they screwed up!)
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
No idea. You could call Vodafone about it... Oh wait no, they charge a dollar and rip you off!
Posted by yea g
nooooo!! how could they. Now I have to go into the same vodafone store who didn't know a sony ericsson from a motorola
Posted by carkitter
It's a setting on the network I believe. There is a thread on it here but I'm not sure if the solution works.
Posted by yea g
hmmm. doesn't work ill have to take it into the store
Posted by JiSm
On 2008-09-19 00:58:31, Muhammad-Oli wrote:
Apparently the C702s aren't actually all that great and the paint wears off easy. I'm glad I decided on the C902 in the end and didn't go for the C702. I'm really happy with my choice! So where are you working over there JiSm?
Workin in Orange atm. Lookin forward to 30th. X1 will finally be avaliable for purchase! Should be a good day
@yea_g
You can go into the store and get them to call up. You have the option of 10, 20 30 or 40 seconds for voicemail.
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Posted by yea g
damn it! I wanted 5 minutes
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
@JiSm: Lucky man! Do you think you'll buy an X1 then?
@all: Anything exciting planned for the weekend?
Posted by yea g
yelling at vodafone
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
Good stuff. They deserve every yell you give them!
Posted by yea g
and their going to get more I just found out this
On the Vodafone network your handset is automatically setup to ring for 20s before connecting to our voiceMail service.
If you are an On Account customer you can extend this up to a maximum of 30s.
*
* * 61 * 021700100*11*(entire the time in secs) # SEND.
Prepaid customers are unable to change this setting.
how can on account be changed but not prepay????? and set to 20s thats crazy in reality it rings for like 10 sec before going to voicemail. aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggghhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by yea g
anyway another thing i have planned for the weekend is to defragment my harddrive, its been horribly sluggish lately
Posted by frankthetank
On 2008-09-18 01:38:28, Muhammad-Oli wrote:
Apparently frankthetank's K850i was buggy at least before he updated it. I would assume not everyone will know to update it though.
Yeah you're probably right though, they probably only ordered a small shipment.
Yes I can confirm that the firmware it came with out of the box had camera driver issues with flash pictures. Even the one I updated to is still 2 updates behind the generic firmware releases so they had better catch up soon - as the one I'm on is the one people seem to have had the biggest problems with lol!
BLUE RING OF DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM etc...
Posted by yea g
just found this nifty app for custom firmware psp's
http://www.geocities.jp/minerva4096/#aft
it can transfer any file to another custom firmware psp and the other psp can run it using remote play.
The website is in japanese but the program is in engrish (yes engrish, if the wlan switch is off it says please turn on the switch of wlan
)
Posted by yea g
Anyone see the fair go ad awards??
Best ad: Cadbury gorilla
Worst ad: Toyota lost keys
Posted by carkitter
Well I thought the Lost keys ad was better than the Gorilla ad which made no sense, but I'm sure Phil Collins will disagree. That song 'In the Air Tonight' is a classic for sure.
Got this download speed tonight on my V640i which is back from repair (more on that soon...)
This is the best speed I've ever had at home and its down to the advice here. I installed and ran CCleaner and also DAP and got a 25% increase in download speed and the upload speed is a little faster too I think. Can't wait to try it at Uni tommorrow.
Edit: BTW, Vodafone have quietly launched a new service called MusicStation which may be a New Zealand version of the RadioDJ service it announced in Jan 2006 in collaboration with Sony.
It looks quite cool really. For $2.50 per week you subcribe to a 3G audio service which downloads music to your phone (dependant on the size of your M2 card) and you choose the playlist. You can even send and recieve playlists with your friends. No doubt there is the ability to link to the Vodafone Music site to buy tracks you like. More info here. I think I might be into this, I'll check it out over the weekend when I intend to make some changes to my On Account Plan.
One more thing - G502 now available in Vodafone stores for $299
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Posted by Muhammad-Oli
Sounds interesting, 'kitter.
Not something I would use but it would be cool to find out more about it!
Yeah I saw the G502 about a week ago. It looks really nice in both colours. I didn't expect Vodafone to have in both colours but I was wrong!
Posted by carkitter
this post comes to you courtesy of my new iPhone 3G!
I couldn't resist. The amount I save on my monthly plan pays for an 8GB and then some.
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
Wow congrats carkitter! Any chance of a few photos of your new baby?
Did you score yourself a pretty decent deal or did you opt for one of the pre-made iPhone dealies?
How is it? I bet you're loving the Safari browser.
Posted by yea g
I was going to get an iphone but then I found the c905. There are a few things the iphone has that the c905 doesn't but i can live with that
Posted by carkitter
On 2008-09-27 08:20:12, Muhammad-Oli wrote:
Wow congrats carkitter! Any chance of a few photos of your new baby?
Did you score yourself a pretty decent deal or did you opt for one of the pre-made iPhone dealies?
How is it? I bet you're loving the Safari browser.
Actually, Safari is what I'm struggling with the most. I tried writing a reply earlier but gave up and have reverted to Laptop & V640i for the time being. The online guide is pretty useless and I can see me visiting the 3GiPhone thread for advice. Unlike SE phones, the iPhone will fully operate without a SIM card, so the temptation will be to leave the SIM in the V640i and use both (iPhone for wifi, V640i for modem) at least until I come to grips with the hidden shortcuts and settings.
iTunes is a pain in the butt. It's good for music playback but for synching it really blows.
Got my 8GB iPhone for $699 on a iPhone40 24 month plan plus $29 for a Belkin silicon case and screen protector. Anyway, here it is:
Posted by yea g
Is the iphone good for the money you pay for it. The main reason I dont get one is I dont really want to have to have one of those data plans
Posted by yea g
hey guys, i just noticed, the new zealanders tread is up to 991 posts, lets try to get 1000
Posted by carkitter
You need to have a data plan 'cause casual data is just not enough. All the iPhone plans are good vaue for what you get, it's just the cost of the device on top bites. I was paying $130+ per month and now I'm paying $48 so it makes sense for me. Unless you're familiar with iPods/Macs then it's a steep learning curve. C905 would be better overall, but wouldn't allow me to reduce my costs and will probably cost $1300 when it arrives. N95 was high on my list as was X1, G705 and W980 but none come with the iPhone40 plan so iPhone it is.
Posted by amawanqa
Greetings from the SA thread.
Congrats on getting that iPhone, carkitter!
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
@yea g: I noticed that! Its funny, it doesn't seem long since I posted up a picture for the 500th post. This thread has grown really fast in the last few months!
@carkitter: That's a really nice shot (apart from the Samsung hahahaha). I really don't like iTunes for transferring media too, but its something you gotta live with. It really is great as a jukebox though. I hook my laptop up to some speakers and it serves as a pretty decent stereo! It sounds like you've made quite a saving (in the long run) with the iPhone which is great. I hope it's shortcomings aren't too irritating for you!
@amawanqa: Welcome mate! Take a seat by the warm fire, relax and make yourself at home! How's South Africa/England/Wherever you're situated at the moment?
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
By the way, I hope everyone has remembered to put their clocks forward an hour! Cant have you guys being late for anything tomorrow!
Posted by amawanqa
Thanks, Mo.
I remember when brix25 and I first posted on this forum (third post on this thread, with my old esato username), and it's great to see how this regional thread that you started has developed, thanks in particular to a handful of dedicated Kiwi esatonians. The first post of your thread looks damn professional! Good stuff.
Yeah I pretty much work and live in England, but the roots n' sentiments are still very much in my native SA. The better half and I try and make an annual trip back to The Land of the Saffers, but from a work-related viewpoint, the Poms have been very,very good to me. Oh well, would be nice to have the best of both worlds, but such is life...
Looks like you guys are on the brink of reaching the 1000-post landmark pretty soon..
Posted by carkitter
On 2008-09-27 13:14:54, Muhammad-Oli wrote:
By the way, I hope everyone has remembered to put their clocks forward an hour! Cant have you guys being late for anything tomorrow!
The iPhone updated automatically; Mr Jobs is on top of it...
Does Safari remember passwords and have a keyboard shortcut to enter them?
@amawanqa
Welcome, it's great to have you here as we approach a landmark!
Posted by yea g
only two more posts!!!!
Posted by frankthetank
Who will make it?