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Posted by carkitter
And now we're an Orcon customer.

Thier technical support guy was a bit confused about our wanting to connect via GPRS and not landline and so it took a bit of trial and error, but now it's sorted and this post beamed to you via Vodafone WAP and Orcon Dial-up.

Once 3G coverage makes it's way to my suburb, I'll look at upgrading to the faster 3G connection.
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Posted by Gigs
Uh, but using VF's connection isn't broadband in the adsl sense

But yeah the phones themselves suport being used as dial up modems or as over the air gprs modems which is all good.



Posted by carkitter
I've set the connection speed for the K700 and Z600 modem connections at 460800 kbps. I know it's a theoretical maximum speed, but there is no descernble difference in download speed between GPRS modem and the D-Link DSL 302g ADSL modem via landline when viewing Xtra.

The Orcon dial-up connection via GPRS (still set at 460800 kbps) won't run any faster than 9.6kbps.

I'll give Orcon a call tomorrow, to see if they have any faster dial-up plans. They have 3 dial-up plans in total, I was under the impression they were all the same speed though.

I haven't cancelled Telecom's services yet. I think I'll do an internet speed test using GPRS and landline to see what the difference is.

Edit - Test Results:

Hmmm, ADSL is half as fast again as GPRS but in the times listed, no descernable difference.

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Posted by Gigs
Ahh you're looking at serial port speed there Car. The serial port speed doesn't effect the speed in which data is transmitted unless you were to drop it right down. (any setting above 115,200 is fine though, good for buffering)

GPRS is equivalent to a 56k modem, though really just under it, usually about a 50k connection. Meaning your downloads will top out on a 2g phone around 5k. (between half, 3 times, and upto 6 times less than wired DSL on a 128 or 256k plan)

If setting up a dial up account on the phone then you're looking at a max 28.8 connection if I remember rightly, you may need to check with vodafone there. Since you're getting below that by quite an amount, it'll probably pay to check with vodafone anyhow to get some advice.

The only high speed phones you'd be able to use are the 3g phones, since then you can suck down data at about the same rate as a 256k connection. (download speeds of anywhere upto 30k)


Posted by carkitter
I am aware that GPRS is eqivalent to a 56K modem, but VF say that thier 'optimisation' technology allows close to twice that. That is evident in the 90K+ result.

All in all, I'm pretty happy with the Vodafone GPRS service, it's speed and the possibility of up to 500K download when optimised 3G coverage eventually reaches my suburb. Especially as it all happens via bluetooth and even without a $499 Mobile Connect Card.

Not to mention that using the phones as modems, works flawlessly!
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Posted by Gigs
Heh the thing with "optimization technology" is that its great for text, and for images in which it degrades the quality. Luckily alot of stuff out there is still in an uncompressed state so it does have a little effect.

Anything compressed however is going to drop your speed back down.

Still as long as its all working out thats the main thing


Posted by carkitter
Broke the news to Telecom.

Xtra Jetstream and landline connection end on Dec 2nd.


Posted by Gigs
lol grats

Posted by carkitter
Hmm... got stung by ill-informed customer service staff.

When setting up the connection to Orcon, I was given a number to enter into my connection settings. Connecting via this number using my wife's Z600 is viewed by Vodafone as WAP and as a result I have a $100 bill for 'Data Calls'.

Thanks Orcon

It took Vodafone Customer Service nearly A MONTH to reply to my enquiries over this matter and I'd probably still be waiting if I hadn't threatened contacting certain Media organisations.

That's nearly 1 month of not being able to connect to the internet for fear of increasing an already "out of control" bill.

Moral of the story: Whatever the ISP says, only connect to GPRS by dialling *99#.

Edit: By the way, Vodafone Billing Dept got confused by the Data (WAP) Calls and took them off my free minutes by mistake. Having sorted that out, they then did it again with my next bill!!!!!!
AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted by carkitter
Several things about this didn't add up. Now I know what they are.

It seems the first VF CSR I spoke to gave me wrong info.
I don't need Orcon at all. VF can be my ISP and my email address can be *******@vodafone.net.nz, for example.

If I'd known this at the beginning I would have set up an Orcon account and wouldn't have needed wap to connect to it.
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Posted by Gigs
When econet sorts their shizz out.

Be nice if we had another operator to buy unbranded SE handsets!

so hows the great no telecom experiment going anyhow CK?


Posted by citysoldier
Anyone recently upgrade to a sim2. I just did. Had a normal sim for like 9 years. Anyway does it matter if the sim2 says 3g on it. I went back to vodafone store and asked and the guy said it doesnt matter, its just the new sim.

It says 128kb on it when other sim2 say 32kb. I dont really care as long as it works but after turning on the phone if I press menu there is a short lag b4 the menu opens. This never happened b4. Cant the k750 handle the sim or something?

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Posted by Gigs
Sim2 is just an updated sim, bit more memory and thats about it really. Nothing technically different that you would need to change your phone or stop it from working. (EG you could put em in an old ericsson and they'll work fine too)

Wierd that the K750 is playing up though, software maybe?

Posted by citysoldier
So a sim 2 is the same as a sim2 that says 3g on it?

I dont think its software or hardware problems with my phone. It only happened after I changed to a sim2. Havent updated my firmware yet because havent really had much problems and I dont have broadband. Also a bit paranoid I might stuff up my phone.

Posted by Gigs
Doesn't matter what the simcard says on it CS, it'lkl still let you connect to the network. My old old OLD sim1 lets me used 3g phones without a problem.


Posted by carkitter
Hello all...

As I understand it, you can't use 3G services without a 3G sim card.
A K750 therefore won't benefit from a 3G sim card except for the extra memory. A sim2 enables access to the VF 2G and 2.5G services.

I've given up on Internet via VF GPRS and gone back to a landline and Xtra Broadband (3.5 Mb/s) connection. Vodafone just couldn't bill the Data correctly and despite what they said on Campbell Live tonight, their Data Policy can't cope with Residential Internet users.

Also, did you guys know:

* SonyNZ is a 027 Customer and uses Nokia phones?
* SonyNZ doesn't think SE phones are any good?
* SonyNZ are not releasing any more new SE phones in the NZ market?
* Vodafone stores have only runout stocks of V800's left?

Posted by Gigs
The sim card doesn't matter at all CK, I have mine in a 3g phone, with no issue of using 3g services. (This is a Sim1, the old white pre pay sim card, god knows how many years old)

It's a good thing then that SonyNZ and Sony Ericsson are seperate W900 and other models will definately be coming out, the hold up is with vodafone, so if you were talking with someone at Sony they got their facts pretty wrong.

I'd imagine V800's are being ramped down to make way for the W900's

Posted by carkitter
W900 is a replacement for the S700 is it not? Prices are similar, both are swivel phones.

V800 has no successor as far as I'm aware.

Lost my beloved K700i last week, just picked up a V800this weekend.

Posted by Gigs
Same form factor as the S700i yes, but ideally mroe of a replacement for the V800 as well. Really don't like the V800 personally :/


Posted by carkitter
W950 with 4GB would be ideal, but I won' t hold my breath on NZ availability.
W900i is cool but too expensive for me. Anyone seen one at a VF outlet?
W800i is nearly impossible to find now, likewise the K750i, K600i, Z520.
V800 is the only SE phone that VF stockists still have.

April issue of MyMobile magazine no longer has V800 listed in the buyers guide. Is SE disappearing in a sea of Nokia and Motorola 3G handsets?

Edit: www. .co.nz lists W550/W800/W810/W900 all unavailable.
Parallel Importers still stock some SE phone's but mostly 2.5G models.

Loving the MP3 player and MSDP facility. Miss having a radio though.
First Clam I've ever had. A very high quality 'special' feeling phone.
Not so upset at losing the K7 now...
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Posted by Gigs
W810 and K510 won't be coming to NZ. (Confirmed by - vodafone didn't want to take up the phones) W550 never came out officially here either, so thats why it's not listed.

Hmm I'm still seeing alot of Z520s around, lot of people using them too.

W900 still isn't out so no, you won't see one According to it's in testing with Vodafone atm but they're the ones dragging heels. Surprising since telecom has had a 1 gig phone for a while and their focus is 3G, you'd think vodafone would hurry up and do whatever it is they need to.

Lent my K7 to a friend, now as liquid damage kinda gutted personally



Posted by carkitter
.co.nz features the Walkman phones on it's homepage - specifically W550, W800i, W810i, W900. All are listed as unavailable so what's the point of making such a bit deal about them? Obviously they just copy the info from other regions that do actually get a decent range of official phones.

At least will live on at PI. I see they've taken to stocking HCB-700 for $299. Gotta get me one of those.

Posted by Gigs
Think you'll find you can get it for about that mark in the proer retail storeslike first mobile too.. HCB-700 has come down alot, i'm considering one as well, lovely pice of kit!

Uh you are looking at the NZ site of sonyericsson.com right? because thats the only official one as far as phones out here go. Anythign else would either be a mis written sony page or a PI trying it on. Or a web hijacker trying to make money.

Posted by carkitter
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On 2006-04-11 23:53:11, Gigs wrote:
...Uh you are looking at the NZ site of sonyericsson.com right? because thats the only official one as far as phones out here go. Anythign else would either be a mis written sony page or a PI trying it on. Or a web hijacker trying to make money.



Here

Posted by Gigs
Ahh okies, wierd, though its pretty obviously a generic flash anim since the white 900 isn't coming out here either. (Or the 810)


Posted by carkitter
W900i, W810i, W800i, W550i, all available at PI -check thier website +Z530i too.
Price on W810i is $999

I hate the whole concept of parallel imported products but it's hard to argue when and VFNZ won't bring the products in or delay them by months. Is a VFUK or VFAUS W900i really that different to one on VFNZ?
I seriously doubt it.


Posted by Gigs
No Hardware differences, but the vodafone software is customised for each country. Sigh official word on the W900i is that it won't be released here because of the amoutn of time it's taken with Vodafone and would be delayed even longer.

I wish Telstra Clear would get some balls and mass order non VFlive units, but aparently Vodafone also have to approve the phones that go on their network for dealers to recieve rebates too.

I swear the phone industry is like the mafia lol


Posted by carkitter
So what products are VF retailers left with then?
K700i, V600i and K750i are ancient history, W800i is in run out as is V800.
Theres minimal stock in the shops, DSE and Noel Leeming have V800 at reduced prices to quit thier stocks.

A Vodafone rep told me VF is providing incentives for sales of Motorola phones...

I'm afraid the writings on the wall.

Pretty short-sighted as far as I'm concerned. Apparently Vodafone International want to be a leading supplier of music downloads and Sony are a primary partner in this. I guess VFNZ don't read the memo's from overseas. Or Esato news...

Of course Sony aren't the only ones to pull out of NZ and supply Nokia's to thier staff. PhillipsNZ did the same around 2000/2001. I've installed Nokia CK126's in cars at PhillipsNZ head office. I heard it first hand.
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Posted by carkitter
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On 2006-04-19 23:50:54, Gigs wrote:
...I swear the phone industry is like the mafia lol



Sometime ago, a customer who was having firmware problems with a large number of Nokia 6310i's from VF, expressed frustration that NZ doesn't have a Industry Ombudsman like in Oz. I think a little independent commonsense applied the the CDMA/GSM monopolies in this country would go a long way.

Posted by Gigs
You know what CK, I don't disagree with that at all.

Posted by Gigs
BTW There is a distinction between Sony and here in NZ I know for a fact you won't find a single nokia carkit in any nz staff member car.

I have a mate that works at Vodafone and their whole strategy seems wierd lately, I would say they're only going to concentrate on 3g phones from now on. Who knows what their issue with the W900 was though (you'd think they'd want something like that to put against telecoms 1g "music" phone)



Posted by samule
shake up @ SENZ there has been a restructure resulting in a reshuffle and some positions being discontinued.
Aus/NZ will operate as one reporting to the Oceania Regional Head. NZ positions are moving into NZ. You can find more info in today's Telecommunications Review

Posted by carkitter
@samule

Very interesting, must get me a copy of that.
Certainly explains the slow disappearance of SE phones from NZ stores.


Found some sharp pricing on DSE's website. HCB-300 selling for $98.00
Listed as an earpiece - Hahaha!


Posted by samule
se still exists and is still operating in nz

w800 is being replaced by w810
k800 is replacing k750
v800 is being phased out

so some handsets are getting the chop.
but more are coming


Posted by carkitter
So are nz going to release phones with MSPD alongside phones with Memory Stick Micro (M2) and require stores to stock both types of media? I very much doubt it.

I see W900i has disappeared from NZ website. No W810i yet - would NZ customers recognise the difference between it and the K610i? K610i has MP3, M2 plus the all important (to Vodafone) 3G features. Perhaps it would be a better choice for our tiny market.

Will SonyNZ or NZ release the 4GB and 8GB MSPD cards? I hope so. It's hard to find even the 1 or 2Gig cards at the moment.

Sorry if I sound overly cynical, but it frustrates me immensly how little choice we get here in NZ.

Posted by samule
as per gigs above w900 has been pulled

Posted by carkitter
And yet SENZ website has removed the words Currently Unavailable from 3 of the Walkman phones featured - see here.

I know W800 has been dropped and the eagerly awaited W900 never even got started, but does this mean W810i is already here?

Has anyone else noticed the W900 in the Navy ads? I wonder how they got one? That ad came out last year before the release of the phone overseas...

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Posted by carkitter
Anyone else lose thier Xtra connection over the last few days?

Mine disappeared on Monday night and returned just tonight (Wed).

Posted by zealander
Yeah carkitter, I lost my BB connection this week.
I think it was a naitonwide thing coz it was on the news.
I cracked up at the remedial advice given:

"Turn your PC off and then on again" LOL

Stink about the new Walkman phones not coming to NZ.
I ended up getting a W900 from Singapore.

Posted by kiwifly
my name is Kiwi, but actually i am not from new zealand...



Posted by carkitter
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Posted by carkitter
While out and about today, I stopped at a BP service station and noticed a sign advertising a BP / AA Rewards card competition. One of the prizes is a 'Sony Ericsson Walkman Phone' and pictured is a W900i.

This left me perplexed. Did BP source these W900i's from nz or from an importer? What does VFNZ think of that? I'm sure that this could become a sticky situation for BP unless the W900 picture was just a sample photo and if so, what phone are they really giving away?

Maybe I over-analyse but this situation has me intrigued...

Posted by Gigs
Hey Carkitter, you know anything abotu putting carkits into trucks? have a mate thats looking to get an HCB 700 installed into his truck. If not can you reccomend anyone?

Quote:

So are nz going to release phones with MSPD alongside phones with Memory Stick Micro (M2) and require stores to stock both types of media? I very much doubt it.



Thats upto the stores, remember the media isn't directly sold by its just the type the phone uses. Now if the store is SMART they'll contact Sony (remember different company ) and setup an account and look at providing the media.

It's no wonder the sony stores have to be doing so well when the people selling them don't really look past the phones and directly sold accessories by the phone manufacturer. They (and trademe ) have to be making a killing on MSPD

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K610i has MP3, M2 plus the all important (to Vodafone) 3G features. Perhaps it would be a better choice for our tiny market.



That'll be upto voda I guess, they seem to be too 3g happy right now. I guess alot of handsets will get left by the wayside. Meh! mind you not surprising when you look at the rebates voda gives its dealers. (They also get incentives I believe to sell more 3g than 2g)

Quote:

Will SonyNZ or NZ release the 4GB and 8GB MSPD cards? I hope so. It's hard to find even the 1 or 2Gig cards at the moment.



SE? no. They don't have anything to do with memory card releases. Sony, should do, they usually bring all their memory products out here. The New Market sony store is pretty onto it.

Quote:

Sorry if I sound overly cynical, but it frustrates me immensly how little choice we get here in NZ.



Totally agree with you!

As for the promotions, it'd be silly to think that SENZ didn't have w900's So they might give some away as promo prizes, that or they have used parallel ones. VFNZ won't really care at all since its more money for them for whoever gets the phone. (Doesn't the TV ad say a sony phone? just rofl, the only sony phone was the CMD j70 out here and i'd be pissed if i won that )



Posted by carkitter
So would I.

Hardly surprising though that BP's ad agency doesn't know the finer details of products.

My point about VF is that they don't like non-official phones being connected to thier network so W900 would be frowned on. Perhaps had a supply deal with BP prior to VF dumping the W900 but noone informed the BP ad people of the latest developments.

If I won a W900 from BP, who would be responisble for ensuring it is able to be connected in NZ?

As for Carkit installation into a truck, yeah I've done a few.

Most trucks and some heavy duty 4WD's have a 24 Volt electrical system so your friend will need a stepdown transformer to supply 12V to the Carkit.

Some more info is needed to determine the best system for the truck:


A truck such as a Isuzu Delta is pretty basic - no radio mute or pre-wiring for instance whereas the latest Vovlo Roadtrains are pretty sophisticated with pre-wiring for power and speaker interface.

While cellphone reception is pretty good these days, it still varies through hilly and remote terrain, so an external antenna may be needed if used outside urban areas. Again, a Delta could use the standard car antenna but a tractor unit would be better off with either a 'invisible' antenna or a heavy duty, boosted, roof mounted, antenna.

Alternatively, if the driver is in-and-out of the truck all the time, perhaps an Akono HBH-300 headset would suit better. It has excellent standby and talktime and a car charger suppied in the box.

Posted by carkitter
And the news for Telecom just keeps getting worse and worse...
Nokia to stop making CDMA phones

Of the 25 CDMA phones and PDA's listed in this months MyMobile magazine, 10 were Nokia's. That's 40% of thier lineup Telecom are going to have to replace as they gradually drop out of production.

However, a bigger problem is looming... Telecom have set out to attract the Business customer most of whom are supplied with Nokia's, all of whom have tried Hyundai's, Samsung's, Sanyo's etc and gone back to thier trusty Nokia's.
Not only that, have you tried a non-nokia genuine carkit recently if you can find one that is?

Take away the Nokia's and Telecom has only 2 mobiles and 2 PDA's with Bluetooth for business users.

Posted by Gigs
Telecom are f**ked withotu nokia, sure samsung might be delivering some good phones but to be honest most lemming nokia users only want to stay with nokia.

Sadly nokia's were the best brand phones for telescum.. They'll be WCDMA in no time


Posted by carkitter
Quite right.

I guess Telecom will have to look to Motorola to save it's a$$. I understand Motorola are big on CDMA in the US of A, however with the amount of free advertising Moto (and Nokia) are getting from VodafoneNZ of late, I'm sure there's probably some sort of exclusivity deal going on.

There are no Moto's on CDMA listed in the June MyMobile Magazine.

Posted by bosbik
check this out
http://www.techwarrior.co.uk/?ac=vid&vid=37001100

Posted by carkitter
Back on topic...

Now only one official phone left in enzed. Last month MM magazine listed 4 SE's, today we're left with just the Z520i.

Congratulations Parallel Imported Ltd and the Labour Govt whose legislation brought them into existance, you've almost killed off the best mobile brand in New Zealand.


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