Posted by Yazan24
Sure they provide quality handsets, which have innovative aesthetics, but theyve never introduced a totally new innovative feature.
Ericsson did, Bluetooth, and Color screens. (Not only 4 color)
However Sony Ericsson arent much of innovators, which is surprising as both companies are innovators on their own, but the venture isnt as prosperous
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Posted by RayKnight
So what's your point, you look like a sonyericsson regular user...
Posted by vivek_h
innovating something new, aint as easy as said and done...
it takes years of research, hard work, finance, etc etc..
im sure
has many innovations up its sleeve...
wait and watch
and even if they had something new already researched, im sure they wud make as much money as possible with the older tech before introducing the new tech...its called business
Posted by whizkidd
I wouldn't care about the innovations as long as they deliver quality products.
Posted by Yazan24
Im not insulting SE, but it seems the mobile phone market operates on a certain feature size pattern,
Phones get smaller, smaller, smaller, New features introduced cause phone to be bulky, phone is perfected and becomes smaller, smaller, new feature. ETC.
Irregularities in my opinion are innovations, but if a phone compromises the feature for size, then its nothing new.
T68 Small Color phone/Bluetooth
T610 Aethetic innovation- Redefined candybars
K750 and W800 may be similar minor innovations.
Posted by REO
SE's menus and features are top. I've owned every brand out there.
SE is tops by far. Nokia's are starters phones. To basic......
Motorola needs to do a better job with ease of menu's. The list goes on......
SE makes menus and features for the experienced cell phone consumer, with realistic useful functions. As far as technology and innovation. I'm sure they will stun the world with in sometime.
You can't discuss innovations before launch, the competition is to firce to even give a hint of what is up your sleeves.
Shhhhhh....... Give SE sometime.... you will see.......
Posted by Residentevil
You should listen to yourself. SE has been innovative. The T68i. First full feature phone with a colour screen. The P800 First good pda phone with mp4 player. W800 first walkman phone. K750 innovative camera. Meaning there are some firsts under the hood of the cam.
Posted by bart
residenteveil, the T68i came because of the T68m. the T68m should be seen as the most inovatitieve phone ever build.
P800 was ready before SE was created, sony just changed the design.
i can't really find something special from SE. maby the BT car, cam and hbh-660. but those are acc. and not phones.
Posted by slattery69
got to say i agree with bart on this also the walkman phone is just a title really at the end of the day its an mp3 player in a phone and there are plenty of phones capable of playing mp3 s so its hardly innovitive apart from a marketing stand point
Posted by milmino
Want innovative? how about the bio degradable phones that
are creating with ntt docomo?
Posted by sapporobaby
Well, what would you "innovation challenged" people like to see?
How many phones have you designed?
Posted by vanquish
And where are the statistics and facts to back this up?
Exactly. This is either a good gag, or a stupid thread...
Posted by slattery69
i aint complaining just agreeing with some of barts comments. i dont think most of the phone makers are innovators its always evolution nothing wrong with that.
its all goes in cylces you get a period of innovation and periods of evolution at the min its mostly evolution, but around the next corner there maybe be so innovation could be from se could be from nokia or someone noone has even thought or heard of
Posted by Yazan24
sapporobaby- Im not paid to provide innovative wireless technology,
I do my job well and Im good at it, and Im innovative in the field I am in, so I dont think U should be comparing the average joe to a major mobile company.
Vanquish, innovation cannot be measured in sales or statistics, or Nokia would be the most innovative company, but everyone knows its due to marketing and releasing a shitload of phones at a time, intelligent method, but doesnt provide the public with innovative technology, and this isnt a stupid thread or a gag, im serious.
Bart and Slattery, thanks for saying what I was just preparing to say, the T68i is based on the T68m an INNOVATIVE product by ERICSSON, and so is the P800, the P900 and P910 are just touch ups of an innovative product by ERICSSON.
The accessories have been very well built and feature packed, but those are accessories and are only a small peice of the picture.
If your going to justy defend SE blindly like most ignorant people on this forum do, this isnt the thread for you, I just wanted to discuss the lack of innovative technology being provided by SE.
Oh and biodegrable phones arent innovative, they utilize existing technology (biodegradable plastics) and implement them in phones, and itll probably only be available to Japan, so its not that important.
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Posted by bart
those bio phones will never see the market, a few years ago moto was working on a disposeble pre pay phone, once your out of money you can just trow it away. there where several prototypes, inovation? abit, but it never hit the market (thank god).
most of you guys don't really know what inovation is.
Posted by vanquish
Innovation?
what defines innovation?
The S700i had an innovative swivel design. The T610 became innovative and thus won an award. The V800 was innovative because it had a rotating 3g camera and 65k external colour screen. The W800i is innovative because it is the first official music playing phone. The Z200 was innovative because of its striking looks and external screen. The T630 was innovative because of its crystal clear screen. The Z600 was innovative because of its weird clamshell design.
Sony Ericsson are an innovative company. Ericsson were ASWELL.
The T68m is perhaps the only innovative phone they produced. Besides some bluetooth and GPRS mono phones.
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Posted by ori
First – we don’t need innovations. And every one knows how hard it is to make money from innovation, take look at NEONODE. If you make high quality products with high end features like SE does and if you are always on the top of technology, you will have no problems. But if you are going to create something really innovative, you will have to spend a lot of money with no guarantee for reward. And I bet you know what happens with the company, which fails even once with their innovative something.
Posted by vanquish
Is innovation a comparison?
Is innovation something never seen before?
Posted by bart
S700 inovation design? it excisted along time ago, and it wasn't really a big hit.
the T610 won the award for best cellphone, not for inovation
ericsson not innovative? good god, don't say such a think, you have no idea what ericsson build, you don't know how many unseen phones they had in the background.
ericsson had a phone for everbody, the only problem was that the phones were to advanced for there time.
Posted by ori
Second – what innovations are you talking about? What do you want to call it Innovation? A 3D mega super blaster microwave 4G phone with fuel cells?
Do you know what makes an Innovation an Innovation? When you have something that you could just dream about yesterday, that is an innovation. But when it comes to true it doesn’t look like something special, that’s the whole thing.
Posted by bart
innovation is something new, something special, something that works.
most of you will cal GPS build in a phone innovation. true, but its an old innovation, benfon made it years ago.
the T68m was the first colorscreen phone WITH build in bluetooth and so much more.
a T66 was very small and light, but that isn't innovation.
nokia communicator could be called innovation, but the idea came from an ericsson prototype developed before nokia's version.
Posted by clank
I dont believe anybody can define innovation which makes this thread vague.
SE produce nice phones but the argument will persist...some may call them innovative while some may call them a step up from existing products.
Innovation according to the dictionary definition is 'something new' Wasnt s7's ccd sensor new? Isnt k600's size for a 3g phone new? Wasnt 3d java gaming new? Isnt w800's claims of 15/30hrs of battery life new? Isnt a budget phone like j300 new? Arent se's designs new? Arent new phones new?
Posted by Yazan24
An Innovation is a radical design that implements new concepts into a fully working system.
Posted by bart
if SE would've never excisted, there would've never been a K750 or any others. but we would've had the RX1...
Posted by turt
RX1 was way ahead of its time... It's not too late to release such a device btw! (Of course, with a bit of refreshing
)
bart, what's your problem with the Sony part of SE? You seem a bit bitter about them... I personnally believe the merging has lead to create a better company, combining amazing specs in a full and nice package, something Ericsson was not so good at...
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Posted by Yazan24
Aesthetics have improved, I cant deny that, the menu functionality as well, however no new SE innovative handsets have been introduced, the K750 is nothing special nor are the rest of SEs handsets.
Posted by jcwhite_uk
The S700i was very innovative when it was first announced. It stunned the mobile world with its 1.3mp camera. The only problem was that it took
so long to actually release the phone that most of the other manufacturers had already released something that was as innovative by the time the S700i hit the shops.
Posted by Yazan24
and hence it was old technology, not innovative technology, several phones beat it to the megapixel count, so it wasnt anything but an aesthetic advancement.
Posted by 02
u want inovation look at samsung, 1st satelite tv phone, 1st HDD phone, 1st 5MP-7MP camera phone, etc etc.... hehe i think SE isnt ready for all this big jump... they r slowly progressing...
Posted by govigov
well that depends they have delivered quote nice products in near and are a quite good company. now, in cam phones, they are a generation ahead and so for useablility..... may be not INNOVATIVE, but definitely not UNINNOVATIVE
Posted by whizkidd
Govi, can you explain?!!
Posted by CybaCowboy
The Sony Ericsson T600- the smallest cell phone EVER released in the Western World; it was a little out-dated, but only about the size of a large lighter!The Sony Ericsson Z1010- Sony Ericsson's first 3G, initially the 3G phone with the longest battery times (it still holds this title in most countries); the ONLY cell phone in the Western World to feature long-range (100M) bluetooth!The Sony Ericsson Bluetooth Car CAR-100- need I say more?
Posted by phsychomantis
EDIT:I think GC82 was first edge enabled PC card and that is innovative for me
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Posted by whizkidd
Are you sure about that psycho?
Posted by CybaCowboy
The Sony Ericsson bluetooth-controlled camera, as featured in Esato's news section- again, I don't need to point out how this is innovative...The Sony Ericsson S700- the first cell phone in the Western World to feature a 1.3MP camera!The Sony Ericsson P910- the first cell phone to accept Memory Stick Pro Duo memory cards...The "Dual Fronts" design that is starting to appear in more and more phones was pioneered by Sony Ericsson...
Posted by CybaCowboy
The Sony Ericsson F500/K500/K700- the first 3 phones to feature "3D" Java!The Sony Ericsson T610- STILL the cell phone with THE longest talk-time ANYWHERE in the world!The Sony Ericsson HBH-660 Bluetooth Headset- the first bluetooth headset to feature a caller ID display!I'm sure if I tried, I could come up with a few more too...Face it, you don't know what you're talking about.
Posted by FutureDesign
How bout the fact they actually create full working phones :-P
Posted by Yazan24
Heres responses, locate the one that is appropriate for you, haha,
1) If you read the previous posts I said when size is enhanced at the cost of functionality and features it isnt much of an innovation. (T600)
2) a- Talk time and standby time arent major features of concern.
b- T610 does not have the most standby time in the world. (T610)
3) The western world is not a good measure as they are behind on most cellphone technology. (Z1010)
4) S710a isnt the first edge enabled phone. (S710a)
5) The Menus SE have are based on the T68m, an ericsson. (All SE phones)
Please have strong evidence to back up your responses. Defending SE blindly is idiotic. We all love them, but we're not blind to their weaknesses.
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Posted by FutureDesign
Jeez its a bloody phone! Does it matter whether they come up with the first broadband internet on phone? No its the fact they make good phones!
Posted by CybaCowboy
It seems to me that some of you have no clear idea of what "innovation" is, and no matter what everyone else suggests, it's never going to meet your "standard" of innovation!
I agree with what someone else said earlier- it seems you have a problem with the "Sony" part of Sony Ericsson...
Posted by Yazan24
The person who said that was Referring to Bart, and Im sure bart like me, doesnt think they dont make a good team, its just that you would expect more, they provide quality products, but nothing that surprised everyone who wasnt a die hard SE fan, you may argue that the K750 and W800 are like that, but thats only because we love SE, if your a regular guy, theyre nothing out of the ordinary.
Now the T68 and P800 (both by ericsson) are phones which attracted the masses, this is where most of us were pulled in by SE.
If SE kept doing that like the path ericsson were on, we would see more innovative consumer attracting products.
Posted by bart
i will not deny that SE makes the best phones, but imo it would've been better for ericsson if SE never saw the daylight.
the phones that SE lauched would've come on the market eventually, maby not the K700 but a better one, cause face it guys, after the T610 the K700 was a flop.
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don't forget that without SE there wouldn't be an Ericsson anymore, the coop was the only chance for Ericsson to let their commercial phone department stay alive
Posted by bart
not really. a good restructering would've sloved it aswell. and don't forget that the last line of ericsson was doing fine.
T66 was making good profit cause some people wanted the smallest phone availeble
T65 nice looking, and stronger then the averdge phone
T68m
do i need to say? most historicle phone ever made untill today
keep in mind that the first couple of Q's SE had less marketshare then ericsson, even now they've got less marketshare.
and don't say that SE is more profitable, cause during the first Q's SE made a big loss.
like i said if ericsson restructured there mobile phone section, then they would've made it and we would've seen far more intresting things.
Posted by Yazan24
I love SE, but ericsson was a very good company that was on the right path, SE only added better aesthetics to the mix.
Oh I just remembered the Menu SE uses is based on the T68m menu which is an ericsson, so aesthetics is the only improvement.
Posted by B.J.
ever tried playing gran turismo? there are "those"-->( the mass, the standard way of thinking) and the not those ---> (those who are creative and imaginative, sometimes called unique but usely regarded as weird)
well, the "those" people playing gran turismo would certainly tell themselves, "i hope my car had a turbo and it would be faster and i hope there are new car models in this game"
and the "not those" would probably tell themselves "i hope there are cars here in the game that can fly... gran turismo designers are stupid."
from this point on, the designers of gran turismo would opt to design the game to the mass who would prefer a more realistic design and the thing they can have to enhance what they have. they can opt to design the game with flying cars(which they can) but did not since this would not be what the market wants.
In the same way, SE would prefer to give the masses a more ENHANCED (rather than new and innovative) phone that can lengthen bluetooth by another 10m, clearer cam, a longer battery life and a stylish new design rather than offering:
-phones that can be disposed and recycled away (which we can
all do in our regular phone with the use a hammer or fry pan)
-release a phone which you can bring down to while swimming in the
pool
or
-phones with DVD player
in this way, they can save money from the designing team and productions, and if they would ever release a fone with a 5megapixel cam or a 20 or 40gig phone, then they won't have any sales anymore. Why?
because, anything more than 5mp and 20-40gig memory is unsellable because those mentioned are the standard and too much for average joe, then they would opt too sell poor and blinded average joe with a 1.3mp cam fone and average joe would buy, after some months they would release 2mp cam phone and again average joe would be drooling and eventually buy that and then they would release another fone with a better cam without any new innovations and poor old average joe would again spend his dough buying that new fone? try reminiscing, and answer this question = for the past 3-5 years, how many fones have you bought? in those 5 fones or so, how much did SE (a name that we trust most) stolen from you? for that past 3-5 years, a 5 or 10 mp cam and a high resolution,brilliant LCD/TFT screen and a 20gigmp3/4 is already available in the market but SE did not opt to merge this to their fone since this would be a great "innovation" and after the great
"innovation-fone-wid-10mpcam-and262kscreen-wid20gigmp3-player" is released then there would not be another fone to be sold.
remember one of the golden rule in business- businessmen work for their own profit, they do not create quality products for the consumers sake, but hence they do it so that they can earn more from the consumers. and a huge leap such as this would cause the desgining team headaches and more money from SE is needed to be payed for this headached designers- so unrealistic
i myself am an average joe, and from my own point of view, i cannot do anything, i have to bite SE's new trick in stealing money from my purse. Sad and unbelievable but true..
so unless Esato would start to build its own celfone company that aims for consumers sake rather than it's own profit, then we cannot do anything but wish and release our opinions in this thread.
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Posted by cynik
Strange discussion mates. Me myself? I prefer the other companies to be innovative and SE follow them and highly IMPROVE the pioneers' innovations. God damn - the SL45 phone by Siemens was to be very innovative - you know, the mp3 player, all kinds of stuff. But it was buggy like hell.
Therefore we come to a simple conclusion. If cellphones will start to levitate some day I don't want SE to be the first one producing levitating cellphone.
I want SE to be the one producing THE BEST levitating phone on the market.
Posted by Yazan24
Its not the same thing, the designers for games try to keep it realistic, while technology designers try to do the exact opposite, if your theory is correct the wright brothers shouldve said, lets not build a plane, lets build something that doesnt defy boundaries lets keep it real and build a walking stick.
I personally love the innovative, and people who desire newer more innovative technologies are the MASSES.
If what your saying is correct then the T68 shouldve been a huge flop and the P800 shouldve been turned down by the MASSES because people thoought the phone was too amazing, and normally phones shouldnt do that.
Your analogy is way off.
Oh, and wouldnt you buy a phone with a DVD player if it was cost effective?
Adding Megapixels and memory isnt innovation, if I knew what was innovative in handsets, Id be a head for a major phone company.
Something new radical and implemented correctly, with correct functionality.
Samsungs 3d Motion detection phone, Thats Innovation, although not a practical one (thats why its not that popular) its nevertheless an innovation.
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Posted by B.J.
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the wright brothers realized the dream that everyman on that time wished... remember Da Vinci's ideas? they weren't innovative.. instead they made things realized.. and they are not into business.. they are into themselves proving they can fly and their goal isn't set about profit or money, business co. like SE like real things to be realized after they have already earned money.. but anyways... doesnt matter... SE still isn't innovative and we are still hooked to it.. (atleast to some)
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Posted by bart
abit like ericsson, there many prodjects were aimed to improve our lives, to improve mankind. if they would've developed it for profit they wouldn've had so much dept.