Posted by Krubach
After the last decision about this it seems it got even worse.
Now FS threads are scattered all around Esato...
@laffen i think you have two options:
Either is TOTALLY FORBIDDEN to sell non-mobile related items
OR
There should be a new section for those items.
As it is now is even worse...
Posted by EastCoastStar
i thought it was fine like it was... :-\
before any changes were made i mean
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Posted by govigov
My apologies for thread jacking another thread due to the same reason.
Posted by PeterKay
How difficult is it to create a Non mobile related For Sale thread
What seems to be the big problem?
Posted by vanquish
Not difficult. you click add new forum, type in the title
you could always use www.mintedforums.com to sell goods, that is a general topic forum and i have added a market section...
Posted by Krubach
Personally i don't mind any of the options.
What i'm hating is to see FS sale threads in the MPFZ which should be used to discuss things not sell things.
Posted by PeterKay
If a topic for selling non mobile related items is not created, people will goto the MPFZone and place their items in there......
Posted by vanquish
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Who says? The holy forum rulebook? Erm... NO
Posted by Krubach
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As you can see in the menu on your left side.
It says: "DISCUSSION Forum". I can't find any "FS Forum" in there...
Posted by MikLSP
@ Krubach
So if u see a thread starting with FS: don't read it if u don't like it.
The MPFZ is for non-mobile items & thats that! Saying u can't sell such items is like saying u can't discuss them in a certain manner!
Does it affect ANYTHING?!
Posted by Krubach
Maybe i didn't make myself clear.
I'm not against you guys selling your stuff. I don't give a ... about it.
I'm just saying that i think this is worse as it is now.
Hence i suggested those two options...
Posted by EastCoastStar
i thought there was somewhat of a discussion about this already... maybe i dreamed it because i searched and couldnt find it... hmm... but laffen or someone gave reasons why they dont want people to sell stuff here... again... maybe i was dreaming or something...
Posted by PeterKay
The thread was closed.........
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=87571
Posted by Cycovision
There was a thread about it in the 'accessories for sale' forum but I think it got locked. As this one probably will
Oops, PK beat me to it
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Posted by Krubach
@EastCoastStar
That thread was locked (& deleted probably).
I started this thread not to discuss IF things are going to be sold or not. I started it to know if people think it is better now or not...
Posted by govigov
I think it is ok to use mobile free some for selling non mobile related items.
Posted by dave_uk
Gentlemen...
This is getting a little childish and a lot silly. There are obvious arguments for and against laffen's decision, but it's quite clear that the intention is not for people to get around this by posting ads elsewhere on Esato. Does it really require another confirmation from the man himself to spell this out?
The decision has been made. The options available, as I see it, are not to post non-mobile related FS threads at all, or to post them outside Esato.
I'm not saying it's right - in fact I agree with the vast majority of what Mik has said on the matter, but I can also see an increased number of poeple joining Esato purely to take advantage of the Market that has been created, which you have to admit, does somewhat detract from the essence of Esato as a Discussion Forum.
At the end of the day, though, it's laffen's decision and it's been made. It doesn't look likely to change, so let's not start bickering about what the MPFZ is actually for - Krubach is right, it's for discussions and to suggest otherwise is just temporarily circumventing the rules.
Posted by EastCoastStar
ohhh okay okay... my mistake, sorry all!
IMO... we need a non mobile related FS section... i wishh
that would solve alot of problems i thinkkk
but then again... if people came here just for that... and got ripped off.... maybe they might try to sue esato... ya know? or we will get un-trustable people coming here... maybe thats why they havent done it yet?? im not sure...
i wish they would make that section though
Posted by Krubach
@dave
Thanks. It seems you got my idea.
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I also think it's ok to sell non mobile stuff, as i said, i don't give a damn.
I think it's not ok to put the FS threads in the MPFZ.
A section should be created in the "Market" area.
Posted by MikLSP
People who join Esato purely to try a Market scam will do it with the latest phones due to the 'essence of Esato' being phones & this will happen regardless of whether there are non-mcb items FS or not.
Non-mob sales are not going to increase that problem. Maybe if they were making up the majority of sales here but they're not! Non-mob sales are easily the minority
Posted by EastCoastStar
i agree... i was just saying, that is the ONLY reason i could personally think of why they wouldnt have this section...
where are the mods to say something about this...? :-\
Posted by dave_uk
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Yup - fair point. So is there anything else to say? Pretty much without exception, we're all in favour of a dedicated forum for non-mobile related sales but laffen, unfortunately, is not and it's his decision, which I think we should respect and peddle our wares elsewhere, that being the case.
Apart from anything else, I would say that laffen has access to the actual stats as to how many people just post in the market threads/how many non-mobile sales there are by comparison etc, and has made this decision for a reason.
Since it's the subject of the actual thread, my opinion is that the situation was (considerably) better before the ruling. But I do think a thread stirring up opinion against the guy who's site this is, is not going to do anyone much good though and has zero chance of leading to a change in policy.
Posted by govigov
@kruby, as long as an item is non mobile related, it can qualify for the mobile free zone.
Posted by Krubach
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I also could say "as long as an item is being sold or requested, it can qualify for a Market zone."
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You can discuss things to sell? Don't roll your eyes, you big head! You think you know everything do you? Well, i just clamped you...
Posted by Rookwise
There are places like ebay, amazon and blueyonder that people can sell their items on. Esato is a forum for mobile phones. There are other forums i visit which also have a for sale section but are specifically for items related to what the site's about.
Posted by Krubach
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ok... why doesn't this surprise me...
*rolling again 
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Posted by vanquish
Why doesn't it surprise you? Because, yet again, Esato members are getting to big for their boots.
Mobile free zone is a mobile free zone. Not a mobile free zone where you cant sell/discuss anything to sell whatsoever!
Posted by govigov
Did we reach a gentlemans agreement yet?
Posted by Krubach
Why do we have to reach that?
I just opened a discussion.
Maybe i'll make it easier for you all:
1 - Do you agree with the current situation (FS threads in MPFZ)?
2 - If not, choose one:
a - Do you think it should be forbidden to sell non-mobile related stuff?
b - Do you think a "Non mobile market" section should be opened?
I guess i can't be clearer than that...
My answers:
1 - No.
2 - b.
Posted by vanquish
Stop killing yourself over this Krubach it really isnt a tsunami!
Posted by govigov
1. Yes 2. NA
Posted by Krubach
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Bad joke vanquish...
Well, you can stop killing yourself over this too.
Posted by MikLSP
My answers are 1: yes because they are non mobile items in the non mobile section BUT only until there is an alternative. That being 2 b.
Posted by harvey172
wats 2a m8?