Posted by mustafabay
1. The package as mahora calls it is actually what Europeans call contracts. You get a contract with a certain payment and charging plan and you'll usually get a cheap or even free phone everytime you renew the contract. It usually goes better for people on post paid (fatoora) and they will get great deals, although mostly your monthly ishtirak pays for the phone over the contracts time.
I'm sceptical because as far as I know they don't have that system on Mobily, which I would think will be the same name as our network, less advertising cost and a nice name.
2. Transission won't be free. Obviousely signing up will probably be free since the price of a line nowdays is almost zero but getting you same number will cost around 50LE, you didn't have to pay in KSA so why should you here????????
I'll swith if they offer subsedised phones, maybe a W850
or even something better.
Posted by mahora
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1- With the first point, Touche' mustafabay with the explanation except for two things: Mobily doesn't do packages yet coz Saudi Arabia is not yet a saturated market like Western Europe (the worldwide number 1 model market for mature markets); It was just a "monopolized" market. 2nd thing, Mobily name cannot be used anywhere else in the world, it's a registered trademark now and noone can reuse it, even it's the same mother network, so we'd expect a new name, and for that there might be a contest the prize of which can turn mustafabay into an overnight millionaire
2- Touche' again. Number portability will not be free, otherwise we'll have dancing dialls flying all over the 3 networks all the time
Posted by mustafabay
Saudi Arabia is not saturated? If they don't have packages then why would we?
Now why wouldn't they reuse Mobily? Actually same mother network would mean exactly that. The only company in the world that loves to give a different cheesy name to each new network is OT. UAE Etisalat only went with Mobily because Saudi telecom is called Aletisalat.
Posted by deido
nice talk guys......anyway, i am so glad that a third network will be available in Egypt and with one like Etisalat ( or whatever the name will be ). now we can see some competition going..........
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Posted by mahora
Saudi Arabia is only 27 million people (5 million of which are non-nationals) VS. 78 million in Egypt ( the official 73 million Egyptians+ the offical # of Sudanese residents in Egypt)
Sudi Arabia's 1st mobile operator has 9 million subs, and the subs there were forced to use Aljawal coz it was the only operator.
Saudis don't really need packages yet coz the market there still has potential for high-revenue- generating growth, contrary to W. Europe where everthing is almost sold at flat rates.
Etisalat will use packages in Egypt in a desperate, yet new-to-the-market strategy to gain subs, where statistics show that the worldwide 3rd mobile operator growth rate is 20% of the market over 5 years, a fact that Etisalat will definitely work hard to change.
As for the name, even from a row point of view, the name Etisalat is generically troublesome, and they were in trouble with their 1st subsidiary coz of it.
To think of the new network as Etisalat Egypt or in Arabic Etisalat Misr is possible but not really probable. I think they will be more tempted to use a better and more innovative name like Mobily, but this remains to be seen.
Posted by mustafabay
Its been a while, but anyways I hope you're right mahora.
Anyways, Raya should have anything made by nokia or just phones? I know nokia make sattellite recievers but that's not what I want to know. Does anyone know if the nokia 770 tablet is coming to egypt or even if it is available already.
Posted by mustafabay
Just in case anyone wanted to know, I've seen the W700 and Z530 on sale tonight not to forget the K510 but didn't ask prices, I think the K510 and Z530 were from abroad.
Posted by deido
HEY GUYS!!
where r u ???mahora and mustafabay....where have u been?, the egyptian forum is in page 2 !!!!!! come on, wake up.....say anything....like em......in ur opinion, what 's the most attractive nokia Nseries avaialble at the moment.....lets make a vote....
Posted by mustafabay
I'm always around but I can't talk to myself, can I?
N73, despite ugly back. And you didn't vote
Posted by mahora
I'm with mustafabay, Though my concern is the lack of WIFI. Should they have put it, it would've been my next phone. Also I'll be needing at least a 312 mgh processor power, and of course guys you know why.
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Posted by brix25
It's kinda boring with only three guys on this thread so from tonight I promise that I'll keep all three of you company when I'm not up to mischief.
What's happening with 3G/HSDPA in Egypt, have they launched yet?
Posted by deido
brix...i think we will have 3G here in egypt in march 2007 when the third network launchs its services by that time......
i don't know why...but guys, i can't wait for the third network...currently i am on mobiNil and basically they suck....the network coverage is rubbish ...waiting for u Etisalat
about the Nseries i like, it's N80...it's nice...but it's too expensive for me, so i consider the n71 ...
what do u think?
Posted by mustafabay
Well thank you brix
I hope its not because the South Africa thread is too crowded and you ended up having to move north
On 3G, well March 07 is the date for our third company to start its services and it'll will be 3G. The yet to be named company is owned by UAE Etisalat which is the owner of Mobily, KSA's second carrier and first to install HSPDA, hopefully we'll at least get the name which I quite like.
The best thing is that the company is going to have to be extremely agrresive with its pricing and hopefully we'll even get contracts like Europe. One thing we won't have to worry about is expensive 3G
I also hope I'll be able to get a summer job/training with them next year.
I don't see a house at those co-ordinates, well not in the crossshairs, do ou always stand there or is that where you burried your pet frog ?
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Posted by brix25
ROLMAO @ mustafa: I don't know whether you're checking my house up on Google Earth...actually you won't find my house but if you follow the co-ordinates you'll end up in a neighbourhood of Cape Town.
I don't know if you guys ever browse the South African thread but we've got a whole lot of things happening as far as telecommunications go. Hope 3G takes off in Egypt, in South Africa it's been mostly business and high-end users who've made the step up...I'm yet to make my first video call.
Posted by mustafabay
As I said a new company is coming with 3G and the old companies will follow later. Basically we'll have a similar situation to 3 in the UK. They'll have to be extremely competitive to get a market share.
So we'll be lucky with 3G. A lot of people are tired of our duopoly overcharging for everything so they'll be happy to switch. Keep a look out for 3G uptake in Egypt making big headlines.
Posted by mahora
All of us in Egypt have very good expectations from Etisalat. This is justfied if we consider their smashing success in the Saudi market.
The gr8 thing about them is that they're not so keen on getting their ROI that fast, they rather invest strategically. Let's hope they\\re really up to our expectations.
Posted by mustafabay
So you're alive
I don't think any mobile company can think of a quick ROI, its almost impossible anyways with what the cost will be.
Posted by deido
what's ROI anyway ?!?
Posted by mustafabay
So the other one is alive too.
ROI I'm pretty much sure that is return on investment.
Posted by alibond82
Hi guys,
New here from Egypt, joined Esato with my new K800i. Having a 3G phone that doesn't support MobiNiL's new EDGE coverage, anyone knows of MobiNiL will implement 3G soon, or shall I switch to the 3rd company?
Posted by mahora
Yup, I'm alive and kicking
Fast ROI came with Mobinil within 3-4 of operation and same case with Voda. As for the 3rd operator, it will not come before 6-7, almost the double, and they know it, and that's why ROI is not Etisalat's main KPI, rather, it's the presence in such a strong and promising market as that of Egypt, and that explains why they were so keen on getting the license no matter what, even with a knock out to all other competitors.
@alibond82
Welcome to the Egyptian forum,
As for the K800, if you're one of Mobinil's subscribers, then you should've done your research and purchased the K790i instead of the K800 coz it's the one that supports EDGE(though TRA is trying to block its use on Mobinil). Anyway of course you can switch to the 3rd operator, but you'll have to be a postpaid sub(1 year ols subscription), and will have to wait with the new operator for another 1 full year before thinking of switching again.
Posted by alibond82
@mahora:
Thanks for the warm welcome. I've already done my research and the K790 doesn't sell in the Middle East.
Anyway, any of you knows more details about the 3rd operator? Serving in the army is really blocking my news gathering. So, all I know is that there's going to be a new operator (Etisalat) who paid a few million EGP just for their license and certain technology usage.
Posted by mustafabay
alibond82, welcome.
You should've bought the K790 which to be honest I haven't seen
Etisalat paid 16.7 billion EGP for the licence not a few million. Everyone I speek to seem to think that switching is a good idea because they're fed up with the current companies and for you you'll get 3G. You could've gotten the W810 which has EDGE, but I think you went the right way with the K800. You actually can afford the ridiculous data rates they have. Of course you're probably after mobinil's 1LE a day offer which I think is only for this summer and there isn't much time left.
@mahora
POI was easy but do say what the acronym is the first time or you'll lose us all. KPI? and TRA? Key point of investment? The rugby association?
Mahora said:
Anyway of course you can switch to the 3rd operator, but you'll have to be a postpaid sub(1 year ols subscription), and will have to wait with the new operator for another 1 full year before thinking of switching again.
I say why?
Etisalat, I prefer to think of Mobily
, won't offer pre-paid? You have to leave your current company to get a line on the new one? You can't get a whatever 1 year contract and then decide which company to dump?
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Posted by alibond82
@mostafabay
Yeah, I know about mobinil's 1LE/day offer, it expires 7th September. I don't use WAP much anyway, I use GPRS to check my emails and such. Also, as I have mentioned before K790 is not available in Egypt market. And getting W810i isn't an option for me. I seek the best in the line, so for me K800i has it all, like my old T39m when it was released to the market. Also, the T28
Posted by mustafabay
So you had a K750 before? S700? W900?
Mobinil's offer is only on its wap site not any usage of gprs? Just wondering because it doesn't really matter as I'm on voda.
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Posted by mahora
Sorry guys for the rather technical terminology.
KPI= Key Performance Indicators (a marketing & finance mehtod to measure how well a company is doing in terms of subs nos, revenues, etc)
TRA= Telecom Regulatory Authority (in arabic i think it's Gehaz tanzim el etisalat)
As for the info on number portability ( when you move, you get your dial with u), it's inside information, mustafabay
@alibond82
I like your concept of getting top of the line products, though i myself rather think of what best suits my needs.
Anyway, enjoy your time in the military, Comrade in arms (I'm a reservist, but not for very much longer
Posted by mustafabay
I know you can switch over to the other company keeping you same number. But what if you want to keep your old line too? And I'm guessing somebody at mobinil has the same number as I do, so is it first there, first served?
Posted by alibond82
@mahora: Well, I think like you too, but somehow the top of the line is the one that always suits my needs. For example, I could have gotten an i-mate K-JAM, because I need WiFi, but I have it in my laptop and I'm always on the move with my laptop so, no real need for WiFi, I needed a high quality camera, so comes the K800i's 3.2MP CS camera handy. Stuff like that
I always calculate it and do my research before buying the phone.
@mostafabay: I'm just a soldier man, doing my time and will set free in a few months
Ah, by the way. Nice to meet you guys.
Posted by mahora
What's the benefit of keeping your old line? cellular lines are predefined on a certain company's switches, so how can you move a line between 2 entirely different switches in 2 entirely different companies? impossible of course. If your concern is the services you have on your old line which might not be available in the new company, then you need to check the availability of these services first with the other company.
Posted by mustafabay
mahora, I don't think I quite get what you're trying to say. What I'm trying to say is a lot of people might want to try the new company's services before they give up on their old one. They can use two phones you know. The second one being something cheap like a 1100.
@alibond
Its a U mUstafa
Posted by deido
yea...what if there's the same number on both existing companies.....how do they switch ?
Posted by mustafabay
Actually with some numbers ther could be three. Mobinil has 018 too now and there could be three people with the same number.
I also wonder if there'll auctions for some gold numers like 011 1111111 ?
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Posted by mahora
I'll give u the answer guys. Who moves, will move with the wole dial including the prefix (either 010, 011, or 012). The dial is to be considered as consisting of 10 digits, not just 7.
Posted by mustafabay
Now that doesn't really make sense. Mobily didn't do that in Saudi Arabia. It would be nice though.
Posted by mahora
Mobily didn't have to do that coz when it entered the market, Al Jawal had only 9 million subs, with a 9.999.999 dial range was readily available. Now Etisalat is entering the market in Egypt while both Mobinil & voda are about to reach the end of their 7 digit range (up to 9.999.999). The plan with the new 10-digit range of dials in Egypt could extend the dial ranges up to 99.999.999, so I guess now it makes sense
Posted by americany13
ashta ya shabab!
I traded my K-jam for a new W810i! sweet!
Posted by mustafabay
mahora, you did see mobinil's ad saying 018 is now their's too. And why would they need to switch to a 8 digit system, which I do agree is better and they should've implemented from day one, inama t2ool eih ba2a.
Americany, I still don't understand how it can be ashta, I would say ishta or eshta. I also take it you're very happy with the W810.
Posted by mustafabay
Now something to vote on.
Are you ok with having i-mate in Egypt or would you prefer HTC to replace it as a brand?
Just in case you don't know QTek was just a brand HTC used among others to market their phones, i-mate on the other hand isn't although i-mate mainly relys on HTC products. I-mate is rumored to not use the HTC excaliber (S620) but is going with something else (JAC).
Posted by alibond82
I like i-mate, I was actually going to get a JAMin instead of getting my K800i, but I just couldn't break the row of Sony Ericsson phones I had. Also, the only major thing the Jamin has over K800 is WiFi. I prefer the 3.2MP CS camera though:)
Posted by mustafabay
alibond you didn't really get the question.
The point is do you prefer imate or HTC. As a brand. Till now all imate phones are made by HTC, but Imate is rumored to be dropping the HTC S620 for a phone made by another company.
http://www.mobile-review.com/news.php?year=2006&month=August&day=21&language=en
So do you prefer HTC and it making all its products. Or imate which is obviousely not going to rely on HTC for all its products anymore.
Posted by mzee
Hey guys I am from Egypt too. Got a question I want to buy a mobile and I was thinking of the Nokia 3250 but some friends tolf me about the SE 800i and that its quiet cool so what do you think?
Posted by mustafabay
Another Egyptian.
Sesing your post in the general section, I now know you mean the W800.
Personally I'd get the W800 or even better the W810. The only ything is I don't know the 3250's price. But I'd go with a
anyday over the 3250.
Posted by mzee
Thanks, well I went to a couple of stores and I found the Samsung D600 (2000 le), SE W810i (2660 le), Nokia 3250 (2200 le) and the Motorola roke e1 (1300 le) but I asked for the E2 they told me it didnt arrive yet. So which of them is the best and told tell me the SE....I want in the terms of abilities. I saw rightnow the Nokia 6233 what do you think of it and how much does it cost here in Egypt and which is better it or the Nokia 3250. What is the advantage of having a smart phone because I asked the people at Raya and they didnt give me a convincing answer. Thanks in advance.
Posted by mustafabay
The advantages of having a smartphone are so many. You can install software tonnes of it and software can do useful things like auto keylock.
Basically if you don't know what a smartphone is then you don't need one. As for the 6233, I thought you asked prices? Either way the W810 is better except the screen. But for a music phone the W810 is better espesially since it comes with a better set of headphones and its camera is better.
Posted by mzee
Thanks really mustafabay for your reply. As for the Nokia 6233 I meant while replying in the forum yesterday night I saw it in website so I wondered if you knew its price. I've checked Raya website but they dont have even the phone in thier collection. I've checked the S60 website and took a better idea about smartphones but I dont know I think its an overrated feature I mean my brother owns the SE W550i and he can also download games and other stuff.......still I want to make my mind.
Posted by mustafabay
What do you want in your phone? If the MP3 player, camera and games are your prime interest then the W810 is for you. If there is a lot more you want to do you could consider a smartphone.
A pretty good alternative to the rokr e1 is the slvr L7 it's a pretty nice phone but then it only has a VGA camera.
Posted by mzee
The Moto slvr L7 is nice but as you said vega camera and it doesnt support itunes. There are not alot of applications available yet and most of the good ones are a trial versions. The SE W810i is nice but pretty expensive (2660 le) and lacks an os but on the other hand it got a camera with a flash (very useful thing), autofocus, memory can be upgraded up to 2 gega and a way better battery while the Nokia 3250 got an os and the ringtones are polyphonic (64 channels while the SE W810i is 40 channels). I heared that fitting big memory cards makes the mobile lags alot so I dont know in the case of the SE W810i having a 2 gega capcity is a good thing or doesnt worth it.
Posted by mustafabay
As far as I've heard the 4GB cards work fine. But on s60 I'm not sure how they cope with big cards. What about the K750? Or the W700? If you're going to buy a 2GB card it doesn't matter much, its not like you can give the smaller card to your brother. And it does support 4GB cards, they just weren't out when the phone was announced.
As for ringtones it doesn't really matter how many chords it can play in midi 40vs64, chances are you're going to use an MP3 ringtone anyways.
As for iTunes on the motos, whell it might be better than the moto player but it has a 100 song limit, so itunes isn't really an advantage.
What about the V3i with itunes? I doubt its more expensive than the regular V3i which is 2200.
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Posted by mzee
Another question, In the specifications of the Nokia 3250 "hot swappable microsd memory card, support up to 1 GB ", can I put bigger cards or I am limited with the 1 gega as the maximum option.
Posted by mzee
Thats a user opinion from another website, and please be patient and read it all. Is the information he stated is true.
"SE w810 may b a little better in takin photos coz of d auto focus and flash than 3250 but remember u can use image editor softwares to enhance and reduce noise on images captured by 3250 when taken under low light conditions otherwise both r almost equal in quality when takin pics under good lighting. also, video quality of 3250 is better than W810 plus d fact dat 3250 is symbian whereas W810 is not, u know watta i mean.. screen physical size, no contest 3250 has larger. re: pluggin ur own headphones, 3250 can do dat too with d AD-41 adapter included so pluggin in Sennheiser PX200 is not a problem to blow d competition away vs SE W810/W800 coz d latter has better inbox earplugs (obviously dat's y they r more expensive than 3250) u can buy 3250 at a cheaper price than W810 so u can purchase Sennheiser PX200 for a far more better quality than earphones from W800/W810! so my suggestion, if ur lookin for a more rounded-do-it-all (almost, except wifi, upnp and other leisure/business stuff) phone, i highly recommend 3250 (buy only at authorized distributors)! one more thing re music functions, 3250 has more supported formats like wma and eAAC+ (so u can save up to 200-270 full tracks) on just 512mb microSD with very small quality loss vs AAC! not to mention d ability of 3250 to search in music library (like wat u do in ur phonebook, typing in d first letters) to quickly change/select from 1 song to another! W810/W800 cannot do dat, u hav to scroll down to a long list of playlists, how tiring! oh b4 i forget, do u know dat 3250's loudspeaker is around 60% louder than W810.. and take note of its loudspeaker quality, W810 is no match to 3250! and another thing, 3250 has realplayer which means ur far more supported by network operators worldwide coz mostly streaming contents r .ram/rm files which realplayer is capable of playin unlike W810/W800!"