Posted by mustafabay
Yes, I use Live but don't go to the Live Portal. I used it at first to download some of the games from the
website. Now I just check Esato out on wap sometimes.
Posted by mahora
Hi deidoo ( I intentionally added an extra o
Welcome to the Egyptian forum on Esato whose foundation is attributed to the ever energetic but now lazy mustafabay
As for your comments, I'm a pretty functional person, whatever brand fulfills my needs, I will use it. Maybe that's why I switched from Nokia to SE when I was looking for good functionality
The way SE is going, I think they're gonna be one of the top 3 mobile manufacturerers in the world in a matter of 4-5 years. But first they have to take out such ghouls as Samsung and LG, which is still a huge task. SE now still ranks 6 among the top 10. The next step for SE is to take out Siemens which has already been taken out by LG (LG now ranks 4 and Siemens 5).
As for our GPRS service in Egypt, both live and life are pretty much the same;they're both for ringtone and clip downloads and that's it.
I personally use web all the time for email exchange and chat with overseas friends somtimes. I rarely use wap though. That's it for me.
Posted by mustafabay
So I'm lazy, so sue me
I don't think you are quite correct, I believe SE is now number 5 and Siemens is number 6 and with Benq rebranding its own phones to Siemens it could go very wrong for them. And the next goal is LG which have caught up with Nokia and Samsung in the a bility to pour out tons of phones that are too similar to tell appart. I don't really care what SE ends up to be, all I wish is that somebody serious would come take up SE's dealership. And while I'm at it I'd like to know if Itisalat is going to carry anything other than Nokia because in other countries it carries almost every brand that exists encluding SE. What I really hate is that the current dealer is always in a coma and only drops prices once per product. P910 is an exception as its had 2 price drops but is still sold at an unbelievable LE4000. People are saying the P990 is supposed to come out at the same price as the N70 which is now here for LE4000. Why I going into this rant, I have no idea, all I know is I have to go now.
Posted by mahora
@mustafabay
Now that I've managed to arouse you from the coma you were in through our usual provocative manner
It's not a matter of "belief" when it comes to marketing and market figures. the top 6 are:
1- Nokia, with a market share of 31%
2- Motorola, 17%
3- Smasung 12%
4- L.G.
5- SIEMENS
6- SE
(from 4-6, less than 10% market share)
SE haven't pushed back Siemens yet. This will only happen when the Y/Y results of 2005 come out in favor of SE, just as the Q3 results came out telling that L.G. pushed back Siemens one place behind not 2, something hopefully SE will do by the end of this year.
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[ This Message was edited by: mahora on 2005-10-23 17:43 ]
Posted by mustafabay
I don't know how you can say that SE didn't push Siemens back? Logic would dictate that LG would push Siemens one place down and if it went down to places than SE pushed too?
Posted by mahora
This is not the game of musical chairs my dear friend
, I push you one place, then you push the person beside you another place nor is it a domino effect either.
Market figures haven't shown that SE has pushed Siemens back yet.
It's as simple as that. Siemens market share is corroding yet it still hasn't been exceeded by SE.
Posted by deido
I agree with mustafabay about SE dealer here.....if u noticed the ads on SE (and siemens too) are negligible, just some lousy newspaper ads, no signs, no TV ads...i think if they care about advertising, thier market shares will grow remarkably
Posted by mustafabay
Ok Mahora where did you see figures that show siemens ahead of SE? SE is almost constantly improving and Siemens is almost always deteriorating and since the gap was so small I think SE should be ahead.
deido I think people that don't buy nokia do it for two reasons. Either they think another brand or phone in their budget range is better or because they don't want to be so common. SE is gaining in sales because people are finding that they make good phones and while being unique they don't have to worry about not being compatible anymore thanks to polyphonics. If I had the money I'd apply for the dealership in Egypt, since I'm quite a few million short I won't, it your loss but what can I do.
Posted by mahora
Sorry guys I admit I was wrong and my info was one week old
Q3 results came out on Oct 21. I guess I was in my own coma that day
. And congrats to all SE lovers, YES, SE took out Siemens, and now SE ranks among the top 5
Worldwide mobile phone shipments in Q3 2005
Rank Vendor Q3 2005 Q3 2004 Growth
Shipments, mln. Share Shipments, mln. Share %
1 Nokia 66.6 32.0% 51.4 29.4% 29.6%
2 Motorola 38.7 18.6% 23.3 13.3% 66.1%
3 Samsung 26.8 12.9% 22.7 13.0% 18.1%
4 LG Electronics 15.5 7.4% 11.8 6.7% 31.4%
5 Sony Ericsson 13.8 6.6% 10.7 6.1% 29.0%
Others 46.9 22.5% 55.0 31.4% -14.7%
Total 208.3 100.0% 174.9 100.0% 19.1%
Source: IDC
Posted by deido
thx mahora for the info...
Mustafabay, hope u get that sum of money soon
....
P.S. if u asked u guys, what's the mobile of ur dreams ? (currently present in the markets) what would it be ?
Posted by mustafabay
I don't really think there is a phone that I'd want that is currently on the market. But if I must pick one I'd say a W800. I really would love to get a P990 but I don't see it happening in the first half of '06.
A real dream phone will never really happen, try this: Great screen not too fussy on size but touch is necessary, battery life of a week or more, flexibility of a computer, but simpler to operate, 10GB of storage--flash not HDD, minimum 5MP camera, radio and TV reception and more. Don't you think I should go back to sleep?
Posted by deido
lol
Posted by mahora
I'd agree with mustafabay on the w800 choice. To me it's only challenged by a 6680/81 coz of the classic design and the potential of the phone. Though Nokia simply killed it when it split it in 2 (although the predecessor 6630 had both 3G&Edge at the same time, a very nice combination, yet I hate the design of the 6630). An N70 also seems a reasonable variant.
As for mustafabay's dreams of a phone, I don't think they're tha tfar from happening. At least as far as some of the specs are concerned.
Camera resolution is swiftly increasing, flash/hdd abilities are the vogue now (2GB memory cards & 3GB HDDs are already in sight).
I think what's gonna drive these specs accelaration to the max is the firece competition between companies trying to gain as much market share as possible with such drastic changes in the market as the rise and demise of such major manuf as SE and Siemens respectively. And that's gonna continue in the upcoming range of 4-5 years.
So my dear mustafabay your dreams might not be that far after all
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Posted by mustafabay
No Mahora it'll be 8-10 years, I don't want to pay more than 700LE for a phone with those specs
Posted by mahora
The range that I gave you (4-5 years) is what companies usually plan for, i.e. the medium range. But if 700 l.e. is all you can afford, then you're right, you'll have to wait 8-10 years to buy a phone that's gonna be produced 4-5 years from now
Posted by deido
happy feast for all of u, Egyptians and muslims.....
this is my gift, hope u like it
SE W900i video... http://www.3gsm.hu/video/sew900idebut.wmv
Posted by deido
No replies
what.... Still sleeping?
Posted by mustafabay
Well...um...yeah eid mubarak...hmm..that's a little late
and I didn't open your present I'll wait for DSL before I do that. And I was late because I didn't sit at the computer for quite a while so here I am.
Posted by mustafabay
So did anyone vote or is planning to?
Posted by deido
i was born in cairo....but i am living in alex for my whole life, and they said that there is "beta2a etekhabia" already made for me, but i have to get it from cairo (as i was born there)....i just wonder, why can't we use our "rakam koumy" to vote ??
btw, i like ur blog a lot...
, hope i start blogging someday[ This Message was edited by: deido on 2005-11-11 09:28 ]
Posted by mustafabay
Ok, I know that's what they'll tell you but there is a catch. In the istimara for alrakam alkawmi there is a part where you choose your makar alintikhaby and you should fill it. Anyways you can always go and register at the police station.
We really need to get in the habit of voting. Here's a story I heard about the presedential elections. A certain lagnah
Posted by mahora
Hi guys,
It's been a while, but it's always good to be back.
Good to see you talking positively about the elections. Maybe there's some hope after all among the younger guys out there. Among the older guys like me, well, it's a little bit to have voting among one's habits, even though I'm aware of the proverb: "better late than never"
Posted by mustafabay
One thing for sure is that its never too late to do something for the first time and its never late to do something right.
Posted by mahora
@ mustafabay
I already said I knew the saying, but as I also know, there's a big difference between knowing and acting accordingly
There's a grey area between those two verbs, and I'm trapped somewhere in the middle
Posted by deido
AHLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
King of Africa by all means.....
what a match! have u seen it guys ? of course u did !! ooh....the 3 goals were fabulous.......GOING TO JAPAAAAAN.....
Posted by mustafabay
@mahora, yes I know but I was saying the do is the important part.
@deido
Yeah great. These days I'm kind of depressed. I had a course and had to leave right after the match and Barakat scoring a goal in the end didn't make me any happier, I was happy for the goal, so I'll explain. I had two choices of commentators, Ashraf Mahmoud on Nile sport with what I call lo3'ah 3arabiyah saffee7ah and I can't stand him at all and their was Midhat Shalaby. I'm ok with him as long as there aren't any goals, when Ahly scores and he starts getting all silly with his words and starts calling the gaol scorer names and I start calling him names back that's what puts me off and the late goal made me leave the house happy but half pissed with Shalaby.
Posted by Aalpha001
Hi folks,
Have you heard? Mobile phone lines have now outstripped their land line counterparts for the first time, in Egypt!
I just read this from a report on Mobile Africa.
The report also suggests that the gap between mobile and fixed lines would widen even more, over the years.
What do you think?
Posted by mahora
@Aalpha001
This happened Particularly in Q2&Q3 of 2005 due to the accelerated growth policies that both mobile operators in Egypt are carrying out nowadays.
It is estimated that Egypt still has a long way to go with mobiles till penetration rates in Egypt catch up with those of the MENA area. The Middle East revolves a penetration rate of 25-30 %. Egypt currently has a penetration rate of 15 %, but if the current growth rate continues (half a million new subs by every company each Q), Egypt will catch up with the rest of the region pretty soon.
Posted by mahora
And back to scoooops. Get this that's just been out of the press room at Reuter's
Sony Ericsson reclaims No. 4 handset spot from LG
http://in.today.reuters.com/n[....]R_RTRJONC_0_India-224540-1.xml
Posted by mustafabay
Yeah I just saw that a while ago too. It seems LG sold more phones but more people bought SE, well actually LG shipped more and hence the difference in sails is what ads up to dust collectors on shelves
Posted by mahora
Any of you guys know whether there's a warranted service center for Imate phones and PDAs here in Egypt?
Posted by mustafabay
Sama (now a subsidery of Raya) is now the new defles for imate.
Posted by mahora
Thx man
Posted by omardeneo
hello all Egyptian
bad luck for me to discover this interesting forum too late
any way a very nice topic
and a small question
which one is better the I-mate jasjar or the K-jam
i need a device just to open excel sheets and with wifi and to use it as a notepad to take some fast notes do you recommend any other devices??
[ This Message was edited by: omardeneo on 2005-12-15 22:35 ]
Posted by omardeneo
just testing my new I-mate SP5m to send here via my home wifi
Posted by deido
i don't know really which is better...but i heared that K jam is better....they say jazjar has some problems... nothing for sure
Posted by mustafabay
omardeneo
A small question back, which is more important, size or performance?
A possible alterative could be a Nokia E60 but then I don't know when that'll be out. And there is obviousely the P990 coming in February or March but if you are making a decision now then I guess you're staying with Imate.
Posted by omardeneo
I think i can wait but only for something with Microsoft OS
also I hate all NOKIA
I-mate would be a good but which I-mate?
now I have 3 devices to select
PDA2 , PDA2K and K-jam
I think the best is K-Jam is the best but due to my budget the PDA2K is the one
I'm still waiting some offers for K-Jam from Dubai
thanks all for reply
your openions are welcome
Posted by mahora
@omardeneo
Just wondering, how do you evaluate the performance of the SP5m?
Your feedback is highly appreciated.
Posted by mustafabay
I thought it was JasJar vs. KJam. Now I definaitely wouldn't go for an older phone for any reason other than budget constraints. Now as a matter of convenience the Kjam is better. When talking big phones smaller is always better but for small phones smaller isn't always best in terms of usability. I wouldn't bother with a PDA2 if you want a qwerty. If you have 802.11g you'll want the Kjam for that but if you only have b then it won't make much of a difference, not to mention that if your main use of wifi is for web browsing no internet connection in Egypt can saturate any wifi connection. Basically it comes down to this, if its a purely budget matter the PDA2 will be the cheapest. But I don't know how the Kjam and PDA2k compare in price. The Kjam is the best Imate there is right now unless you need a bigger screen and a better qwerty and only the JasJar can beet it, but then you seem to have ruled it out.
HP has a phone or two too but I'd emagin that there even more expensive.
There's always the 9300i
And the 9500
And......um
Next year there's going to be tonnes of wifi phones to make you feel sorry for spending so much this year
Posted by ambyzown
Hi y'all, seasons greetings from the Proudly Nigeria Forum.
Peace!
Posted by mustafabay
And I welcome you too. Btw what reason do you mean? College keeps me too busy to check the calendar and we get 2 to 3 season's worth of weather everyday.
Posted by omardeneo
mahora
The SP5m is a very good and nice phone
the design and the material is better than the SP3
the keypad is very good and its click is nice
the total performance is totally better that before
every thing is faster than the sp3 the sound quality is better also the speaker is better and better
the battery life around 3 hours talking time which make a day and half with my too much phone calls and 2 or 3 times e-mail checking
the wifi antenna is better than PDA2K
I have Wifi at home and I tested the 2 devices while the PDA2K lost the signal the sp5m still working and connected
the display brightness is very good and the screen is very clear and readable
the camera is good but still mobile camera
the ring tones support the mp3 now
the new 4 keys (internet explorer and 3 for media player) is a good idea but some times I click the internet explorer key instead of dialing
I think after 10 days of using it I'm totally satisfied
in general I'm a very bad technical writer so it's better that you ask and I will answer
I already got the K-Jam and return it back after 1 day
It is very slow device and the screen is smaller than I need but the good thing is the screen resolution and the wifi but in general it is a good phone and bad PDA
The screen font is small and in my opinion its better to get the SP5m and the PDA2K than the k-jam
I make a decision to use the SP5m and the PDA2K for the moment because also the JasJar is very big for me
Posted by mahora
Thanks a million omardeneo for your very detailed and helpful reply.
One very important aspect of the SP5 that I need you to tell me about omardeneo is its performance and functionality as a regular phone. For instance did you have trouble setting it up in terms of GPRS, MMS, and EDGE?
I don’t know how things are where you come from, but where I come from technical support is almost inexistent and you have to do everything by yourself.
Did you by any chance happen to find an online source for setting up the phone?
Also did you happen to see and use the SP5 (not the musical edition) and if you did how does it compare to the SP5m?
U also said that you're heavy call maker and with that kind of usage the phone lasts 1.5 days. How long do these calls take in total duration? coz I'm a heavy calls maker myself.
And also how does GPRS usage affect the battery coz I use a lso of GPRS and IM too.
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[ This Message was edited by: mahora on 2005-12-26 09:37 ]
Posted by tayam
hi every body..
i think i'd be the third egyptian to join the forum, as i didn't read the whole replys.
so hi again everyone specially mustafabay&mahora.
u 2 guys seems to have very wide experince in S.E mobiles, & i just bought w550i from about 2 weeks ago, i'm having the worest time searching on the net for software thems..., till i found esato.
i really didn't search the sight but it seems good
.
i may use any extra help from u.
Posted by mustafabay
Nice to know you got here safely, but I think you're not the third Egyptian here but you're in the first ten. I don't know what has been troubling you about the w550 but boy I know I wish I had one. I think you said themes and Esato is probably the best place for that and you'll probably find a thread where you can request themes too. Or even better find out how to make themes yourself if that's a thing you would like to do.
Posted by mahora
Welcome to esato tayam
www.mobile9.com is another good source for themes, videos, tones, etc that I've been using with my K7. They also provide wap links to this stuff that you can use for downloading directly to your phone. Enjoy your phone!
Posted by tayam
thnx mosafabay&mahora for ur valiable info. that's what i expected from u guys.
another 1 littile thing how on the earth could i search the net throw my mobile???
my uni as i under stand provids network for us for that purpoes but each time i go to one of the areas which the network available on them and try to use the wap it doesn't work!!
i feel there is shortage in my infos about this issue.
so again i may use any help from u.
bye
Posted by mahora
@tayam
I have a feeling that you haven’t received the GPRS setup messages for your handsets from your operator yet. If not, call customer services and ask them to send you these messages. You can also do it through the online service provided by www.sonyericsson.com, there’s a tool that’ll help you do it.
Posted by mustafabay
@tayam
The W550 comes with an html browser and if its not on the phone then it should be on the CD, but your browsning will be through GPRS. You say you univercity provides free connection to the internet but that is most likely through wifi which the W550 doesn't have.