Posted by mustafabay
Better cameras are not for phone to phone usage but for printouts. I think we'll get a K800 this year. I think the K750 successor will be K900.
Posted by mahora
Comparing the need for Printouts with the need to have the pics transferred to another device (whether another mobile, or a pc), I would prefer the transfer to another portable device. After all the world is heading more and more towards mobility.
The k800 is a posibility, though not a real probability this year. SE likes to have a killer model there for quite some time. With the k7, the cycle was a year after its launch, and another upgrade is released. Theoretically the k8 should be higher in specs than the k750, so I don't think they will compress the life cycle of the k750 to less than a year. So the time to hear about the k8 will probably next March in CeBit or other gatherings, with the launch being in May or June.
And yes, since the 9 is almost the end of the chain, like the p900, the k9 is the device that Eldar was talking about and referred to as the U2.
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Posted by mustafabay
On any cameraphone or camera you should have several options of picture sizes. K750, saddly, only has 2MP(aprox. 1600x1200),VGA (640x480) and 160x120. But VGA is fine for transfering to any device and comes to around 80KB. And for computer transfers, you have the option of using the USB2.0 cable or BT or a card reader(just don't forget the MS adapter).
A K800 should be announced this year IMHO but I suppose 3GSM conference in February would be the latest. K600 is a great mid-range 3G phone but what about people that want more?
Posted by mustafabay
Another round of hype and rumors is starting with S800 or whatever. Looks pretty sofisticated despite being yellow.
And still no K750 here as far ar I know. and no ads of
phones in ages. Where's the K300 and J200?
Posted by brix25
K750 is being launched in South Africa in a couple of weeks.
Posted by mustafabay
Lucky you
I'm expecting September for us
Posted by mustafabay
Eldar put up his review of the S600 already. Looks good so i'll aim for it. If all goes well I'll have one in december
Posted by mahora
Any pics for the S800?
Posted by mustafabay
Yes, in the rumors section. For now its yellow. Its not sakura, but Eldar says its real.
Posted by mustafabay
Deltek have finally decided to start advertising SE again but the just advertised the T290. What ever happened to the K300 and J300? Heck if they want to concentrate on budget phones they should be great.
The nice thing I saw was the K750 ad, of course not on Egyptian ad, and its quite nice and does put the emphasis on the camera, leaveing all the other multimedia capabilities to be advertised in the W800.
Posted by mahora
If it were up to them, they wouldn’t advertise low end sets at all since they yield so little profit, but as mentioned before, it’s a new tendency on the part of
international, they want to grow bigger 
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Posted by mustafabay
But according to your logic they'd want to advertise the phones that are a little more expensive because they'll have a better profit margin. Notice I'm mostly complaining about the absence of J200, J300 and K300 which are the lowest priced phones in the
lineup. I'd think the J200 would go for LE550-600, J300 to be around LE700+ and the K300 at no more than LE900 because of the F500. Also usually you advertise your expensive products more to show off you technology and convince people to buy your brand.
I never was quite convinced on your argument on when prices go down. You said that the price goes down once it covers it expences and starts to become profitable. Your argument was about why GPRS doesn't get cheaper but phone calls do. My point is, why has the price of SMSs gone down? SMS must've been the cheapest technology to implement and they should've made millions by now. The price for calls go down and SMS don't?
Posted by mahora
Simple. It’s the economics of poor and emerging markets. To clarify the concept, I’ll give you two examples. One is that of Western Europe. In this 500- million user "mature" market, voice calls and sms have acquired a flat rate for so long now. The companies have stopped relying on them for a source of profit for quite a long time. Companies are shift vigorously for data services to make their profit, and therefore pushing customers to use those services extensively in order for the cycle of ROI to be swiftly completed, and hence also come the push and rush towards 3G.
The other example is that of China. The Chinese market (350 million users) is one of the fastest growing markets in the world, BUT it cannot be described as being a rich one. The nature of the users is mainly comprised of prepaid services (same as Egypt). This market depends mainly on such means as sms to make communications, and therefore the companies would not let sms sending fees go down since the demand is so huge in spite of the comparatively high prices. That’s a typical case of poor and emerging telecom economics.
As for the Egyptian case, you can draw an obvious conclusion as to which example can be applied. If Egyptian mobile telecom companies would lower sms prices, everybody would be lured to send sms instead of making calls, where the true profit lies for the time being, especially if you look at the nature of the Egyptian society where more than half of the population is categorized as young people (the opposite of Western Europe). And since young people don’t have those big budgets for mobiles and companies know that, so the price of sms has to be kept frozen, while you try to tempt people to make calls, again where the true profit lies.
The conditions of the Chinese market will still dominate the Egyptian market for quite a long time to come. We have a long way until we reach the case of Western Europe.
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Posted by mustafabay
1. SMS aren't as appealling anymore. People now prefer to try to make 20sec. call which is cheaper.
2. China might seem a good fit for comparisson but I don't really think so. China has only one opperator, whereas we supposedly have competition. I think in China they keep the price of SMS the way they are to keep there investments at a certain level. If they were to drop the price of SMS try and picture what kind of upgrade their message centers will need to cope with the average usage of SMS not to mention peek usage. Here in Egypt we only have around 9 million subscribers and as you said mostly prepaid. Talking about profit doesn't work because the telecom already got their money, its just a matter of how many messages or minutes they want us to have in return for the money we already paid.
Posted by mahora
It’s not that simple. Let me remind you that the offers on calls were introduced only a short while ago. And it’s just an attempt on the part of companies to try to lure the users out of the rules and conditions of the economics of poor and emerging markets that govern their behavior. Let alone the fact that in reality you cannot confine a call to 20 secs, unless you’re holding a watch in you hand, and just keeps urging your called party to finish before the 20 secs are up
As for our so-called competition, let me remind you that we have one company that bears 2 names
. Just check the newest prepaid offer from voda. It’s called “the magician”, in mimic of the competitor’s offer of the “magical”. The 2 offers are exactly identical; they weren’t even creative enough to come up with a new brand name, so much for competition huh?
Marketing governs all the activities of telecom companies, and as far as Marketing is concerned, you need to constantly seek where your true profit really lies. If you understand this concept, then you’ll understand almost all the tricks of the companies.
Oh, one more thing, China has been having TWO mobile operators since 1995
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Posted by mustafabay
Ok you can't always do 20 sec. but I see people rushing the call and are happy to say" Yes, I did it in 19 sec."
Well although I don't think it justiffies anything but Mobinil started the mimmicking trend with Life.
I always thought that china had one government owned network, I could be wrong.
I still think they could come up with an offer which offers cheap messages instead of slightly lower call rates.
Posted by mahora
Join the great race: do it in 19 secs, and win the next 20 half price
So sms is still popular after all, I'd call it the "China syndrome" (after the 1979 movie starring Jane Fonda, Jack Lemmon & Michael Douglas)
What you always think is not always right
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Posted by mustafabay
Yeah SMS are popular when you talk about sending them to TV and radio shows. As for comunicating I don't think they're as hot a they used to be.
The funny thing is voda has a promotion giving you the second minute for free but that's a little silly seeing that people try ro do 19sec
Posted by mahora
See what I mean
Posted by mahora
@mustafabay
I want to use your technical expertise, however immature they may be for the time being
to get info on something. Both mobile COs. in Egypt use GSM900, yet they acquired the right to use 1800 band. Now what I need to know is this: how is the 1800 band usage implemented within the network stucture of GSM 900 from a technical standpoint, i.e., equipment modifications or alterations, s/w modifcation, etc. And what are the real benefits of such usage, again from an in-depth technical view. Thanks in advance.
Posted by mustafabay
You know, Alo else7ri looks great and they say there is no inna. Well there is, no matter what card you use to charge it only lasts 1 month and your credit also lasts only one month. What makes it worse is you can't charge to add credit only.
That's going to be a tough one. I haven't actually studied anything about mobile networks but I'll see what I can dig up. To be honest though, I doubt they ever plan to use the 1800 band. I think it was just paying off TE( now I know, not ET
) so they wouldn't have to worry about competition or price wars.
Posted by kmas116
hi ya ged3an 2ana khaled men Egypt ,i was hoping law 2ay 7ad ye2dar yesa3edni bcuz 2ana me7tar 2ageeb Samsung E720 or Nokia 6670.
balash 7'ena2 3ala vodafone & mobinil both r the same.
salam
Posted by mustafabay
Inta 3ayiz eeh fil telphone bita3ak?
English. E720 has a slightly better camera. 6670 is a smartphone. If you don't know what a smartphone is then you don't really need one and the E720 is good enough. E720 has a better screen and you get more memory altough it can't be upgraded. 6670 has less memory but you could buy a bigger card. Don't forget E720 is a lot smaller.
Posted by mustafabay
Saw k300 today. More expensive than f500.
Posted by mustafabay
That was yesterday. K300=LE1038 if I'm not mistaken. Today Al ahram has an add of K300 for 999. Maybe J300 will follow soon.
Posted by mahora
Now we have competition in the same line of products, 2 sets priced the same. But I think the f500 is better because of the better screen among other features.
Posted by mustafabay
That's if you can get over the fact that nobody can really understand the f500.
Posted by mahora
Oh forgot to tell you that a friend of mine bought an f500. It's basically the original f500 intended for vodafone, but flashed with the K500/700 s/w. It's good for that price, but one thing I couldn't get myself to swallow about it. It's backlight id RED, which makes everything displayed on its screen, whether pics, videos, or whatever have a reddish tint that makes the screen so uncomfortable to llook at. It was only then that I discovered that the best backlight ever is the white, better than all other colors, blue, orange or whatever.
Posted by mustafabay
You do mean keypad lighting? The screen backlight has to be white.
So its a F500 flashed to K500, they can do that? Are you sure its the not the K506c flashed to the K500. F500 for voda is supposed to be white.
Actually I'm quite happy how SE is doing in Egypt despite its horrible advertising. The K300 ad said it had a 1.9" screen, so that makes the K500 have a screen in the range of 2.3"
So far I've only heard good feedback on the K300 and it seems to deserve it. PC mag liked it and I haven't seen to many complaints either.
I'm also noticing that some people are starting to think nokia is making its designs more like SE, if they can see that maybe they'll think more about buying SE instead.
Posted by mustafabay
Just saw a K750 and its nice. My cousin was with me and told me a friend of his bought one from Dubai. He also said his friend saw a blue W800.
Posted by mahora
Everyhting on that phone was red, that's what I saw.
Posted by mustafabay
LCD backlights have to be white. But if it was originally made for voda then anything is possible with red
Posted by mahora
A scooooooooop… before the ad is even published... yesterday I played with an se k750i for the first time as a friend of mine bought one, and from where? RadioShack, and the price is unbelievable, 2750 l.e., here you go you all craving to change your sets
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Posted by mustafabay
Wow, that's a pretty good price. And I probably won't be changing my T630 very soon, although I wouldn't mind, Donations will not be refused
Since you got the scoop, is it only available in black or is the silver version here too?
Posted by mahora
unfortuantely only the black is available. It's same as what happened withh the k7, 2 colors available, only onegets to come to Egypt, it kinda makes you furious at whoever decides these things.
As for the donations, they will be amply provided on 0900 0750i, get as many of your friends as possible to call, coz then you'll get the phone sonner, may be run an ad
Posted by mustafabay
0900 0750i, that's a good one.
Actually I doubt anyone around the world saw the other color of the K700 so it wasn't just Egypt. The K750 however is different and people have seen both colours.
Posted by mustafabay
Just saw Akhbar Alyoum, either you were wrong or SE has already discounted the K750
LE2690 now. And they also showed J300 for LE770. The one thing is they never know what specs to put in ads. MSDP support should be mentioned.
Posted by mahora
Any discount is good for those who are yet to buy it
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Posted by mustafabay
@mahora
And who's going to complain as we're both on that list.
Posted by djole89
I feel real sorry for what happen in Sharm El Sheik, Im affraid that this will reduce your tourist visits...
Posted by mustafabay
Thanks.
I don't know about that. Sure tourism would be affected but I think now it'll be pretty safe, of course tourists might not like the number of police they'll see around. I also feel a little sorry for the people that'll be arrested as not all of them will be guilty.
Posted by mahora
@djordje1yu
Thanks for you sympathy. You seem like a pretty compassionate person.
&@ mustafabay
Nope, changed my mind, the k750 is off my list know. My next phone will be a smart phone, but NOT Symbian, unless se comes out with something extraordinary that'll make me change my mind.
Posted by djole89
I went to your beautiful country and I went to all North African countries and I have very good memories from there, but I must admit that Im scared to go to any North African country now......
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Posted by mustafabay
@ mahora I'd wait to see UIQ3 first. I think windows is better for arabic. But if uiq3 supports arabic it'll be the best. You are keeping you're K700 for a while though?
Posted by mustafabay
@djordje1yu
With terror your only truly safe by hiding in your home. I wouldn't let fear paralyze me, we're all going to die one way or the other. Actually the only countries that can feel really safe are the likes of Palau and its likes, they're too small for anyone to care about them, in adition to the fact terrorist aren't usually well educated on world geography and probably don't know they exist. So you could go on your next vacation to Tuvalu, you'd be safe there
@mahora
Or you are thinking of palm OS? I really hope UIQ 3 supports arabic. Either way I'm saving up for a smartphone myself. I can't gurantee if it will be my next phone, though.
Posted by mahora
@ mustafabay
So smartphones will prevail after all (I'm provoking the rebelious part of you
)
Posted by mahora
UIQ 3 is not just good enough. And now that MS is putting its heavy weight to the mobile business, so I think I'll choose the vogue of the future.
Posted by mustafabay
I've always wanted something with a touch screen. I still don't know what I would prefer, more gadgets or less. I'd like a Palm LifeDrive but then you can't get palm products in Egypt. That's mainly want a Smartphone. The imate jam is nice but if SE Can make something the same size I'll obvousely go for it if it has arabic somehow. My main problem is money. So either way I go I still can't decide as it would be useless. Its just the same as saying I'm going to buy a Porche Carrera GT2 but then by the time I can actually afford it it will be long gone and there would most likely be a GT3 or even 4. I've sometimes thought of getting a P800, but 4096 colors isn't enough after seeing 65K. Just to be clear I'll stay as faraway as possible from a MS solution if there is another alternative
Posted by mahora
Only blind fools can afford to ignore to see where things are going. And since you don't seem to be one one of them (for now
), I think you're only temporarily blinded by your hormones