Posted by mario2002
Now that 3G becomes a reality,which other cellphones can access both networks GSM/3G ? This feature is going to be very important in the next few years untill 3G completely takes over.I know all about the 6630,but what about the competition?Surely this is a market opportunity not to be missed !
Posted by ThreeX
How about:
SE V800
SE Z1010
Motorola E1000
Motorola A1000
In swedish "Mobil" magazine, the V800 won over the 6630, only by a nose lenght, but still.
Personally iīd pick E1000 or Z1010 but thatīs just me of course..
Posted by mario2002
Buddy,thanks for replying.All the phones you mentioned are great but they have one very important function missing (at least what concerns me) No EDGE ! ! ! That means I will have to settle for the slow GPRS when no 3G network ! Now I don't know about your country but here when no 3G I can use the more spread EDGE and if no EDGE then the by now standard, GPRS.If I should buy any of the models you talk then I will be stuck with either very fast or very slow ! Thanks anyway for bothering to answer !
Posted by Leks
We don't have EDGE in Sweden
Posted by LeeG
we dont either in the UK !!
Posted by ThreeX
No, thatīs correct (Sweden) I didnīt choose any of the above phones for one single feature either, those are phones that i have either owned (Z1010) or would consider actually buying.
As for Nokia, i donīt doubt that theyīre good phones, i will just wait until they hire designers before i investegate them further..
Posted by mario2002
Just about all the GSM Networks support EDGE, with minor modifications, and they will implement it during this year.Some earlyer then others.Just ask them about it.Don't talk to the lady at reception, she might not know what you talk about.Edge is gprs on steroides and it was envisioned when gprs has been designed.In your country might also be know as "egprs" or "wireless isdn".You can access edge with a gprs handset and vice-versa.The speed will default to standard gprs thou.You need to have a edge upgraded cell and network to use the high speed ! Is a pity SE does not support it as yet :-(
Posted by Yomans
Oh! Even in Latvia we have EDGE , but only on one operator .
Posted by voda_jon
the 6630 is ok imho but one big downer on it... the bloody camera cradle u have to sit it in to make video calls! thats the main feature of 3G VIDEO CALLS! and its only nokia who miss the two cameras on all their 3g handsets like the 7600 and the 6630...
its a huge huge thing to miss out and it will always stop people from buying it...
Posted by slattery69
i am not so sure that a lack of video calls will stop people buying the phone. dont forget you need someone else you know to have a compatible handset and the cost of video calling is still 5 times more than a normal call, so in the short term i doubt the lack of vid call would put every potential customer off.also a lot of people seem more interested in the faster access to content and the increase in content they can get because of 3g.certainly in the long term i wold agree as in the uk i doubt we will have a chose over 2g or 3g network as i beilive within the next 3 years you will only be able to buy a 3g phone and nothing else, if nokia were to keep vid calls from there phone s they would lose out big time
Posted by IT2005
Direct hit by slattery69
Spec wise it is the best!!!!!!!!!!!!from Nokia
[ This Message was edited by: IT2005 on 2005-01-15 17:08 ]
Posted by ThreeX
Still wish Nokia would re-hire or find new designers....
Posted by voda_jon
the cost of the video calls in the UK on same network is the same as a standard cross network call... thats 35p and cross network calls r 55p
yes they r more expensive than normal calls but jus think of what u could do on them!!! i know from personal experience an its a lot more fun seein the person...
Posted by k4m!k4ze
But still, video calling is a luxury most cant afford in some countries, but the 6630 is a great phone even without that. It comes just behind the s700 and that too because the s700's cam is better, nothing more.
I read a comment by somebody in one site - "It looks like a pen*s"
Posted by mario2002
Well one thing is for sure - Nokia can't keep up production of the mighty 6630, so huge is the demand ! Some world leading networks market the 6630 as there "top cell" for the 3G network ! Not even Nokia expected such a huge popularity.
Posted by orange
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Only one of those you mentioned is really putting competition to the 6630, ie. Moto A1000. It's the only smartphone among those, along with the 6630. Others are just 3G phones with proprietary OS with basicly no extending possibilities or atleast very minor ones with Java. So, for those the competition ends there...
Summing myself up:
- A1000 and 6630 are 3G smartphones
- Other are just 3G phones
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Posted by wapchimp
The 6680 is a better 3g handset. It is smaller, looks better and has a front camera for video calls. Unlike the 6630
Posted by MsJ
So ? R u saying that if u'v a 3g fone which isnt a 'smartfone' which can browse gprs/wap/2g gsm as wel as 3g services, theres nothing u can do except wait a few year til mor ppl hav got a '3g only' fone? . . . . . :s
Posted by orange
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If this post was meant for me, I don't quite get what you mean.
Posted by mario2002
You talk about the 6680 ? When the hell did that one come out? And does it also have EDGE ? For me this feature is quite important.A forward or back-ward facing camera is not that important because I will not be using the video-phone feature for the next year or two.A 262K screen is even more useles because for the slight improvement in picture quality, it kills the battery ! And battery time is more important in a 'mobile' IMHO.
Posted by IT2005
k4m!k4ze wrote:
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But still, video calling is a luxury most cant afford in some countries, but the 6630 is a great phone even without that. It comes just behind the s700 and that too because the s700's cam is better, nothing more.
I read a comment by somebody in one site - "It looks like a pen*s"
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"It looks like a pen*s"
Indeed and it is deliberately shaped so we would hold it comfortably.Women love it and so do men!!!!!!!
Longlive Nokia designer!!!!!!
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Posted by ThreeX
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*Sigh*
and whatīs wrong with non-smartphones? Not everybody wants one you know. If that were the case, the "ordinary" phones would be extinct, and as we both know, that is not the case. The world at large outside mobile forums has ample room for plain phones without Excel and Word capabilities
Posted by mario2002
Can the S700 access the 3G network at all ?
Posted by fannypad
Getting back to the original question, no, the 6630 doesn't have any decent competition as of now.
The only product which comes close is the Motorola A1000, but it (in the UK at least) is crippled by 3's software customisations and walled garden.
After years of using Ericsson phones, I've bought myself a 6630. Apart from the dodgy looks and awkward ergonomics, it's a fantastic phone, very fast (unlike the terribly laggy S700) and above all, it runs Series 60.
And when T-Mobile launch their consumer 3G pricing structure, I can use UMTS speeds straight away.
No other manufacturers have anything like it announced let alone in the shops right now. As for Sony Ericsson, I'm afraid they're lagging behind. The sooner they announce a non-touchscreen small smartphone the better.
Posted by Jake Blues
do we have any prices in the uk for this phone yet?
also, if i got an unbranded phone and put a 3 sim in, would it hijack the internet and only allow access to 3s site?
what if i put a 2g sim in the phone, would it work?
Posted by orange
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Did I say there's something wrong with the non-smartphones? I based my answer to the original question, which is pretty much "Is there any competition to the 6630 in technical wise?". You suggested normal phones to be compared in technical wise with smartphones. And for sure non-smartphones are far behind in that area.
I don't think that the original question was about which phone will sell most, though I don't doubt that 6630 will sell more than V800 for example.
Posted by ThreeX
Ok, youīre right. I did look at it from a personal point of view.
It may very well be that no phone matches the 6630 exactly.
The (my) point is that i donīt care. I am not a Symbian worshipper. At the end of the day, a phone is a phone.
I have an iPaq to serve my PDA-needs
Posted by sapibobo
Right, Symbian - despite of its popularity - is not match with the capability of Windows Mobile based PDA.
Posted by Debu
I think 6630's main competition is the moto a1000, its a smartphone, unlike the v800 and the z1010.
Posted by mario2002
Does anybody know if the A1000 has EDGE ? This is quite important because EDGE is getting implemented much faster then 3G ! ! ! Also can it be operated with one hand (S60 style) ? Belive me,if you are used to one hand operation you don't want to miss it ! Especially if you sort of a 'busy' type.
Posted by whizkidd
Yeah. One hand operation is very crucial for guys like me!
Posted by Pradhika
Who knows? Records are broken with style in this field.
Posted by 66304u
we (my cpw branch) tested the clarity, picture softness, colour exposure, etc between the s700 and the 6630, then asked the public to decide between the two...and the 6630 won...even under max zoom, the loss in quality is very much evident on the s700...very pixelly..even when we printed the pictures out, the sharpness is clear on the 6630...ut, comparing these two phones for features is invalid...obviously...as for video calls...it's a gimmick...thats why nokia didn't build a camera into the phone...we found alot of people don't really care about video calls...naturally, it's fun at first, but it soon wears off...6630 is a real step up from whats gone before...ie 7610, 6600...there are some very good obvious changes, apart from the ones you can't see...the os upgrade, the 3d grafix engine...
Posted by Valentiner
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The pluses of S700 (in fact let's consider S710 which has EDGE
) against 6630 are the screen and the flash (which I use as a small lock finder on my k700 at nights ) and the nice UIQ3.
What do you think about E1000?
Posted by johnmcl7
66304u: I agree with you, I was offered a cheap 6630 on an upgrade (I didn't expect to get anything decent without forking out) so thought I may as well give it a go - I have no interest in video calls and even if I did, I don't know anyone with a 3G phone that also lives in 3G reception so the feature is completely useless to me - I'm glad Nokia didn't compromise the phone's design, weight or MP camera by adding a second camera or a swiveling one. I'm surprised they haven't made a 3G version of the 6260 though, its swivelling screen would be ideal of video calls. I have to admit, the video calling stand makes for a cool desktop charger
As for the camera, I was really impressed with 7610 camera pictures, given that phone doesn't really sacrifice anything for it (unlike the S700) the quality is very good. The 6630 is also excellent, while out shooting with my proper cameras I took some shots with the 6630 and they are not bad at all - on my other phones I never use the camera because the quality is so dire, that's not the case with the 6630. I would have really liked a flash though, that would have killed the battery further no doubt but I would like to be able to take pics in pubs and things when I have forgotten a digital camera or want a quick pic to send an mms with.
This is my first Nokia in a while, and aside from a few S60 niggles (no keylock, poor alarm system) I'm generally very pleased with it. I'm not replacing my p900 but it's nice to have something for a change, the 6600 feels well built, the screen is bright and clear, and the OS is reasonably fast and responsive.
The two main disadvantages for me are the battery, which is stupidly small for a smartphone and the rs-mmc, I would much rather have a standard rs-mmc and ideally an SD card reader like the Sendo X. I did try the Sendo X before I had the 6630 (only briefly) and I really liked some of the ideas they had with the phone, just a shame it suffered from too many software problems.
John
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Posted by fannypad
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Dunno where all the misinformation about S60 phones not having a keylock comes from. The 6630's keys can be locked just like any other Nokia phone: "left softkey" followed by " * ".
If you are within a menu and want to lock the keys, just press the red end key to get back to the desktop then left softkey and *. Or if you want to stay in the menu, press the power button and scroll to Lock Keys.
As for poor alarm system, I take it you mean no multiple alarms. Here's an excellent tiny 10KB multiple alarm utility: http://home.tula.net/symbian/am/index.html
It's not freeware anymore ($5), but you can download the freeware version 1.0 with the same functions here: http://www.urbanbomb.co.uk/alarmmanager_1_0.sis
Poor battery life with the 6630 is usually caused by constant switching from 2G to 3G and back again. This drains power like nobody's business.
In later firmware versions (v3.45.11x) there's a menu option to switch to GSM mode only and never access 3G (Tools>Settings>Network Settings>Network Mode>GSM). This vastly increases battery life, some people report operation time going from 1 day to over 3 days.
But this option not present on older versions. All vodafone branded 6630's don't have this option as no new vodafone branded 6630 firmware exists.
There is, however, a solution in the form of Nokia's Field Test software. Have a look here for a clear guide and a link to download the app: http://nokiafree.org/forums/t72294/h/s.html
Believe me, the difference in battery life between 3G and 2G only is night and day. My 6630 lasts 3-4 days between charges, whereas in 3G mode it would only last a day max.
Posted by johnmcl7
I meant an automatic keylock, I am well aware of the manual keylock. I know there is a small utility to provide an automatic keylock but I can't believe Nokia don't have it as part of the OS.
I'm also well aware of the 2G/3G issue, my phone is never on 3G, the battery is still not great but given the phone has a good screen and small battery, I don't expect good batterylife.
Thank you for the link to the alarm program, I will take a look at it, sounds good.
John
Posted by mario2002
Wow today I've tried for the whole morning the 6630 ! If you are used to the sluggish P910 the 6630 is a dream.And the camera ! Not even comparable to the P910's . But the best was the little battery.Not only is small enough to fit in my wallet (back up) but lasted the whole morning (only dropped to a indicated half) On the 910 (Test it for a few days) the battery time is poor to say the least. And is cheap compared to any top of the range SE phones.I really wanted to change from Nokia to SE , but . . .
Posted by johnmcl7
Interesting...I find the P900 faster than the 6630, although the 6630 is generally quite fast, at times it seems to 'pause' when you have accessed a function or just going through the menus. It's very minor but I don't have the same on the P900, it's always fast to navigate and run apps from. Batterylife is incomparable, my P900 can easily last longer than the 6630 but then again the P900 doesn't have the 262k colour screen, so this may hurt the batterylife considerably.
Couldn't agree more with you on the P900 camera, why they bothered putting one on in the first place I don't know, the picture quality is so dire I never used it.
If I had neither phone, and was offered the choice, I would take the P900 each time, but having used UIQ for a while and not Series60, I'm enjoying the 6630, I'm disappointed SE didn't do more with the P910, if it had wireless ethernet I would have upgraded to it.
John
Posted by mario2002
Wireless (wifi) on a 3-4 watts/hour battery ? ? ? I don't think so. I am using Wifi on my laptop for guite a while now and even there I can see a difference when I run on the battery althou is 10x bigger ! ! ! Bluetooth is more suited for a cellphone.I belive the nokia 9500 has implemented Wifi with somewhat limited specs and success. I am running a bluetooth network (class 1) and for internet access is just fine.At around 250Kbps you could easily implement VoIP too :-) lets hope the new fuelcell battery will change the odds in Wifi's favour.
Posted by Mrb 18
@mario2002
Are you stupid or are you just making things up?
6630 has talktime upp to 6h and standby upp to 264h
and p910 has talktime upp to 13h and standby upp to 400h
so next time you put the 6630 ahead of the p910 in any particular area get the facts straight, ok!
Posted by mario2002
Buddy sory to have irritated you. Was not my intention at all ! I know about the figures claimed by the respective manufacturers, but the think is if I bluetooth link the cell to the laptop and gprs (laptop internet access) the P910 died on me after only about 5h while the 6630 showed about half battery after almost 4h of networking and heavy usage as I did with the P910 althou the 6630 was accessing the net much faster (edge compared to the usual gprs of the P 900) also there are quite a few posts complaining about the P910's battery time (right here on ESATO) Do a search if you don't believe me and see for yourself.Many greetings . Mario
Posted by fannypad
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Manufacturer's figures and real-world performance are two totally different things, you should know that.
In my experience also, the 6630's battery life is greater than that of the P910.
So please, stop the Sony Ericsson zealotry, it's really quite childish.
Posted by mario2002
I think we've finally got competition for the 6630. And a mighty strong one too! The 6680 with its 2xcameras and implemented 3G video calls might just be the winner (when released).I hope the price is not going to be to high.