Posted by EastCoastStar
i was watching the news today, and Bill Gates was talking about a sync between a unrealesed phone manufacterer, and microsoft. they showed a few things like being able to type in the contacts in a windows app. (i know... just liek FMA... and i know theres already many progs to do this, but its microsoft... weirdos haha) there was more, but i was at band practice, so after i saw it and made everybody stop the song, it was almost the end. they said it was with an unreleased manufacterer, but they showed 2 phones... blurred out so u wouldnt know who made it... but it was very very clear that it was the t630, and the z1010... they did show the menu, and the phone blurred in the guys hand... it was very obvious if u know anything about SE phones... (which i guess isnt alot in the US). has anyone heard anything about this?? or maybe he was using the SE phones just to throw people like me off track... or something... any ideas??
Posted by scotsboyuk
@EastCoastStar
Any such deal would be rather limited as SE are apparently committed to UIQ3. Apart from PC software support, I don't see that Microsoft would have much else to offer SE, unless SE have decided to abandon UIQ3 ...
Posted by DeLa
If the OP understood correctly, it is only some kind of link-software, some kind of interface. It hink that can be done without installing some sort of windows on the phone.
It wouldn' surprise me, since:
- outlook sync is already working
- the fsquirt wizard works fine
- Se's own software provides some kind of (albeit limited) integration in the windows shell
- Microsoft is good at pointing out software from others that has potential, so they might have noticed FMA
In fact it would be a logical step to work out what is already in place. It is the next step. And it must be apparent for Microsoft now that they won't be able to dominate the mobile phone market in terms of OS so teaming up with the seperate ui's might be a strategic choice.
Just my 2 cents, only guessswork.
Posted by CybaCowboy
It wouldn't suprise me if Sony Ericsson were considering a Windows Mobile Smartphone or a Windows Mobile Pocket PC with Integrated Phone Capabilities- not only are Windows Mobile devices MUCH, MUCH more powerful than any other smartphone, but LOTS of experienced industry analysts predict that by 2007, Windows Mobile will be the dominant operating system in smartphones!
'Bout time too, the Pxxx series is probably the best phone out there, with it's only flaw being the rather limited Symbian OS...
Posted by govigov
Limited symbian os? What! Dela sounds logical, but i dont think it will happen. May be the M$$ will bring out a phone explorer that can access all phones in market. Not just SE.
Posted by dumbdumb
In my opinion, Sony tends to stay away from MS.... so that is why all Sony PDA are PalmOS.... so I doubt SE is going to come up with a MS phone....
Posted by jplacson
OMG.. MS Mobile/PPC being more advanced than Symbian...
that's a laugh.
I think MS was showcasing their counterpart for iSync (which does all that) ... something MS never had...a unifying sync app built into Windows.
Posted by Residentevil
The Symbian OS is the fastest growing OS in the mobile phone arena. So I doubt SE will be abandoning it. Windows mobile only has a small share in the mobile phone market.
Posted by EastCoastStar
it may only be a small part now... but u know how MS does... they always try to plan for the future. ya know? maybe they think thats whats gonna be big next. but like i said in the original post... maybe it was juss a phone to throw people like us off... but i dont knowww. you all are making good points. its pretty confusing, i dont know what to tihnk!
Posted by CybaCowboy
You've never heard of Microsoft ActiveSync?
ActiveSync is renowned for being such a good sync app, one of the best in fact and it has a long history, starting as Windows CE Services and evolving into what it is today...
By the way, Sony DON'T make Palm OS PDAs outside of Asia anymore, having withdrawn to "review the market."
Basically, it became apparent that there is no future in Palm OS and unsuprisingly, Sony recently announced that they would shortly be releasing a Windows Mobile Pocket PC!
Posted by CybaCowboy
It'd be good to see a Sony Pocket PC too- they pushed Palm OS to its limits, made EVERY other Palm OS device look like a cheap toy and influenced thousands to switch to Palm OS!
Considering Windows Mobile has a hundred times the power of Palm OS, it'll be good to see what Sony churn out...
Posted by CybaCowboy
Of course Windows Mobile is more powerful than Symbian OS- how many Symbian OS devices have a 624MHz CPU (as found in the HP Hx4700 Pocket PC and one of Dell's Pocket PCs)?
Posted by govigov
Powerful does not refer to the processing speed. It refers to the commanding power you have over the operating system.
Posted by CybaCowboy
Windows Mobile devices can run PC programs, play feature-length movies and high-quality features flawless handwriting recognition, supports memory cards up to 10GB (Sony Ericsson only recently added support for 1GB memory cards to their Pxxx series), provider real-time instant messaging with one of the world's biggest chat services, offers a much better interface, is more secure in all respects, a better E-Mail client, support for a variety of screen sizes and resolutions, support for VGA-quality screens...
Posted by YoMan
CybaCowboy:
Letīs turn this on itīs head: Why do you thing Pocket PC Phones need 400 Mhz + processors to run at a decent pace, when Symbian does it comfortably at 150 Mhz (P800/P910)?
A heavy OS burdening the processor perhaps?
Posted by masseur
unfortunately windows mobile devices can NOT run PC programs as they must be compiled for the specific CPU in the windows mobile device.
Similarly windows mobile programs will not run on a windows PC
and yes, the processor speed does not neccessarily reflect performance of the device
Posted by govigov
Well said.
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Posted by CybaCowboy
With third-party software, Pocket PCs CAN run PC programs; not installed locally, but programs installed on a PC when connected to a computer.In regards to why Windows Mobile needs such a fast processor, why do computers use 1GHz+ processors?It's NOT because the device needs it, but rather to enable the device to run more powerful applications (much more powerful than those found on Symbian OS)...
Posted by masseur
please tell me more about how I can run PC programs on my iPAQ hx4700 and what 3rd party software is required, as this intrigues me. I am a member of several pocketpc forums, have been using pocketpc's since the very first day the first iPAQ 6350 was available and have never heard of this. I'd like to give this a go!
as for procesing power, it really depends on the instruction set being used as to what value you can get out of that processor. for example a RISC processor running at 1ghz will almost certainly be faster than a non RISC processor which requires more CPU cycles to perform the operation. This is a simplistic view but gives the idea.
Posted by CybaCowboy
I've been using PDAs since MS-DOS 6 was released on the Hewlett Packard 200LX Palmtop PC; I was (literally) the first person in Australia to buy a Windows CE Palmtop PC when Casio released their Cassiopeia (A-100?) Palmtop PC!I know Symantec used to make a program for Handheld PCs years ago, although I believe that is now long gone... Do a search on Handango for "remote PC control" (or similar), or ask about remotely controlling a PC on some of your favourite Pocket PC forums.
Posted by masseur
well I am sure this isn't about who has been using what the longest and I thought we were talking specifically about pocketpc/windows mobile. but just for (possible) interest in regards to PDA's, sure I've been using them since the original Psion series 1 and still have it in fact complete with maths and time module. that was the vertical one with a slide off protective hard case and an A-Z keyboard rather than a qwerty one and a dot matrix style LCD display
mind you IÄve always been a gadget man and before that had the HP-41C alphanumeric programmable calculator (that they used on the suttle) and before the texas instruments TI-59 in the late 70's which even had a built in magnetic card reader for storing programs!
but we digress... so back to the issue at hand
ah! sure I know about remotely controlling the pc from the pda etc but if I may quote you "Windows Mobile devices can run PC programs" which really did suggest you could run the programs on the windows mobile device itself as there was no mention of "remotely"
anyway I guess that sorts out that little confusion.
btw, and this is off topic but I'm not sure this topic is really going anyay at the moment anyway... you wouldn't be the person who ran a site selling and supporting pda's in queensland and often visited the pc shows etc (like PC expo in Sydney etc)? I'm hopeless at remembering names but just curious
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Posted by EastCoastStar
i have an iPAQ with a processer only at 350MHz, and i can run movies perfectly, and multi task alot. and lever even see the slightest bit of lag. but like @masseur said... i want to see how it is possiable to run PC apps on Windows Mobile. They are programed specially for windows mobile, and use various different formats than lets say XP pro.
Posted by masseur
@EastCoastStar, I think we've already determined that CybaCowboy was talking about remotely controlling from the iPAQ, programs running on your pc, not actually running windows programs on the pocketpc
actually you can do it the other way too
take a loo here for some examples of these types of programs
Posted by EastCoastStar
Ill check it out as soon as i get home.
its too bad that you cant just load ANY program onto windows mobile, ya know? If you can run it on XP, you can run it on windows mobile... i know its not true... but i still think that would be so awesome... but... windows mobile is another way for mucrosoft to make some money.
Posted by viper7
Just to note that you can also remotely control a PC from many a symbian device....this isn't unique to PPC....eg
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Posted by semo
It seems like it's going to be Siemens and not SE.
Reuters
Tuesday, January 11, 2005
Seattle, January 11: Microsoft Corp and Germany's Siemens AG said on Monday they will jointly market and sell technologies that integrate personal computer and telephone services.
The deal between the world's largest software maker and the German conglomerate and electronics manufacturer comes as advancements in telephone systems make it possible for business users to operate and manage telephone calls from their desktops.
Financial terms of the multi-year agreement, a global sales and marketing alliance, were not disclosed.
Redmond, Washington-based Microsoft is making a major push into technology that will maker computers and phones work better together.
Posted by govigov
So, it was siemens and not SE. Siemens just got a new lease on life. Thank you for the info.
Posted by Leks
Y did they have a z1010 when it don't work in the US
Posted by EastCoastStar
u cant have a z1010 in the us?!? theres no way thats true... if you have a simfree z1010, they work on the US bands.
looked in the Mobile Phones area on the main page... and Networks 900/1800... so it should work in the US...
also... 10 years ago... who would have everrr thought of phones and computers working together hah
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Posted by DeLa
Good for Siemens. They needed some sort of good news. Well it'll have to do with the R&D only I suppose, which wasn't going to go away, so it ain't that much difference.
As long as it leads to an open standard is ok.
As for the MS vs Sytmbian discussion, comparing software-platform combinations can get you going endlessly. There is not really a point. The only competition is in your head.
Besides that it is not necessarily thr "best" technology that runs best in the market. Ans it is not because a company is dominant in the marjet at rates of 95% that it will be in other markets too, let alone that this is a guarantee that it will keep the share. Examples are plenty and Bill Gates knows them all.
Only to say that those predictions coming out of some freaky comparison of technical specifications are based on nothing.
Take me, a daily Microsoft user since DOS 3.0. I am not attracted by having some sort of windows on my phone. I don't want it to look and feel like a computer. Because that is wat the effect is. Windows = computer = hassle, things to do, work, no play. Phone = freedom with fun factor allowed. Why do you think the IPod is so popular and other technically better devices are not?
Posted by govigov
entertainment is a very important part in our daily life. and ppl dont want to feel the look of their workstation pc's in their phones. that is what you mean?
Posted by arnoldc
the announcement did not imply that it will be mobile phones. "phone services" is a big arena. it can be computer telephony (CTI) where Microsoft is traditionally weak. since MS CRM was launched, there are few CTI players that support them.
it could also mean that they are strenghtening their ties as far as the Windows Phone Edition is concerned, which has been supported by Siemens on the PPC platform.
Posted by DeLa
@govigov
Indeed, something like that.
I just read in the newspaper this morning that 6% of the iPod users switched from a pc to a Mac and another 7% is considering it 'possible' that they would switch. This must be horrifying for Microsoft. Apple is doing the right thing now, putting more products on the market that are less expensive.
Posted by govigov
M$$ is trying to monopolise that segment too. They can with the .net platform by bringing all of the application on to a single platform. With their office range of products, and cross platform compatiblity, they can do it. If they had started earlier, they would have succeeded by now.
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Anyway, back on topic.. I may be little late in posting this, but I've used terminal service client on my ppc's for a long time, its like running a normal pc on your handheld, I think the new VGA res ppc's go even closer to it.
Posted by masseur
they certainly do, I'm using the iPAQ hx4700. I really found it strange that MS added VGA support to windows mobile but then didn't provide a way to switch the interface to use vga! didn't take long for a couple of people to come out with tools to do that though and the terminal services client certainly benefits from that