Posted by Leks
http://premium.mobil.se/nyheter/visa.asp?id=8899&sid=1
"Rumours about 2-megapixels mobiles from
The latest time it has came many statements about that
have 1 or more mobiles with 2-mp cam comming. The statements on the internet is most about what seems to be a succesor to the k700i with codename Clara. If the rumors are true it will have better camera and memory than k700i, it will also accept memorycards.
And a source statements for Mobil that
has at least one more 2-mp comming. It will be with touchscreen and W-LAN. But it will not be a succesor of the P910i, it'll be smaller and have a design that could be compared with Neonode N1. Mobil haven't got any comments from "
Posted by goldenapple
i dont understand what the site is saying..
but i sure hope it's something nice
Posted by masseur
looks to me like Leks has provided a translation in his post
Posted by Zacay
OK nice, the wlan phone si something that I have been waiting for a very long time.. So now I will wait to eternity for this phone!!! Good bye all my thought on buying S700i!!
Posted by Leks
Yes it is a translation, sorry for my bad English
I also want the "neonode" phone
Posted by govigov
This might just be a dream, if it is 2mp cam, then it must have ext mem, else it will run out of mem very fast. Will se make new software for non symbian based touch screen phones? It can be true, considering several other manufacturer have told about 2mp phones. (At least as a concept.)
Posted by masseur
I've said it before and I'm sure this won't be the last time I say it but unless they make a permanant move to CCD cameras for 2MP+ then you really won't notice much difference in quality in the images, they will just be bigger!
Posted by Krubach
S700i and V800 already use CCD sensor instead of CMOS.
Posted by masseur
unfortunately the V800 uses a CMOS camera. The S700 is the only CCD camera in an SE at present
but I am talking all manufacturers not just SE, they really have to get into CCD big time now otherwise its pointless increasing the resolution of the cameras
Posted by harvey172
a 2MP k7 wit a mem slot wud b a great fone. n i wud think it wud b very popular 2. wats the diff between CMOS n CCD? is CCD betta pic quality rather than screen quality?
Posted by Krubach
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Ooops! Sorry. I thought the camera was the same in both phones.
@harvey
CCD or CMOS are the camera sensors.
Digital Cameras have CCD sensors which are way much better. I mean... more... hmm... sensitive.
And camera sensors have nothing to do with screen.
Posted by masseur
actually there should not be alot of difference theoretically between CCD and CMOS but CMS requires alot more manufacturing precision apparantly and until that can be achieved, CCD does give better results as is what is used in most (non phone) digital cameras. CMOS is cheaper and thats why its in phones but it really is time to make the switch IMHO
Posted by floke
CMOS sensors are also much less power hungry than CCD. I thought that was the major reason for putting them in phones...
Posted by masseur
yeah, they are lower power and also smaller than the equivalent CCD so I guess all these factors add up to why they have been used... until now... hopefully the S700 will be a "proof of concept" that its time to change
Posted by ljf881
About the article: mobil.se are probably just relaying information from this forum and mobile-review, so don't take this as a confirmation of anything. It's all just indications of something new (about time as well, imho) is coming from SE.
How about a new 3G-phone?
Posted by Davo_169
ill say it once and ill say it again:
TIME MACHINE
Posted by *Jojo*
If ever, so what else is new
If we are seein' digicams and conevntional cams having up to - 8 MP, then why can't it be placed/made feature in celfones 
As they say: Endless Possibilities !
Posted by Lembo
Even though we are talking
I'd just went to the SONY Website and saw this.
For a sec I got really excited. I thought it was a new S series mobile until I realised what site I was looking at. sigh
I know, silly me.
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Posted by govigov
@davo, i didnt get your joke. @jojo, i guess space and resistance of cam to constant and vigorous use is a concern.
Posted by vineet_d
This year is full of surprises no wonder we can see phones with +3MP cams and a optical zoom in them, and i guess samsung is already ahead in this.
Posted by *Jojo*
@lembo - Looks like a the successor of the S700i mate
@govigov - Maybe dude . . .
Posted by mmsman
and about cmos and ccd, i think that no one can actually say what is better, the ccd sensor in s700i is good for a mobile phone but is it good just because it's a ccd sensor? if so why are sagem my-x8 pics crap? in my opinion they are even worse than v800 pics and x8 uses a ccd sensor while v800 is cmos.
there are quite a lot of articles comparing the two technologies and i can't find a single one that says ccd is a clear winner.
i would say that cmos is maybe even better for mobile phones considering the battery if it's properly made,
and about normal digital cameras, yes most of them are ccd, but most of them are compact cameras, canon which is one of the best if not the best camera companies in the world uses cmos sensors for their high end professional cameras,
canon 1Ds which is in my opinion one of the best professional cameras currently available uses a 11 mp cmos sensor,
really, i don't see the problem in technology but in space (you can't really fit a big sensor in it) and in lenses, canon eos d300 gives far better results with it's 6mp cmos sensor that f828 with it's 8mp sensor, but that's again the difference between dslr and compact cameras....
Posted by scotsboyuk
@ljf881
SE have only recently released the V800, so another 3G handest so quickly is unlikely in my opinion. However, SE might release a budget 3G handset, which wouldn't be direct competition for the V800 and would actually enable them to increase their 3G market share.
Posted by HjJ
@scotsboyuk:
The V800 is sold only through Vodafone. That means there is only one 3G phone for everybody else; the Z1010. This is no way to serve a market that is accustomed to having a choice between T2xx, K500, K700, S700, P9xx on GSM.
I therefore believe we can expect several new 3G phones in the coming months.
Posted by Vlammetje
what
needs for that is a larger pool of operators offering 3G to the public though.
Posted by scotsboyuk
@HiJ
Vlamm's point is spot on; of the three 3G networks in the UK, SE provide a 3G model to two of them. No manufacturer has released many 3G handsets so far, SE have released two of the, if the not the best, 3G handsets, they are already amongst the top 3G manufacturers.
The V800 is not exclusive to Vodafone forever, it will eventually be released on other networks. SE doesn't release as many handsets as othe rmanufacturers and I don't see their 3G division being any different.
Posted by Ninjaturtle
Wow.. Harvey172 just prooved all my thoughts about irish people beeing ignorant right...
Posted by govigov
I dont think there will be a budget 3g handset. 3g wap designed with data transfer in mind. The handsets which support data should be quite high end and must have lots of features. Else a gprs connection is all that is needed. No need for a 3g one. 3g is a whole new world and atleast here all the manufacturers have a level playing field. It is just a question who comes up with a handset first and i see SE's name there.
Posted by scotsboyuk
@govigov
NEC have released a budget 3G handset in the UK. Unfortunately it can't be used as a modem because it is on the 3 network, but I assume that it would function perfectly fine as a modem if unlocked.
@Ninjaturtle
That was uncalled for. What is wrong with asking a question to find something out? Isn't that one of the things Esato is for?
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Posted by kenx3000
If not a budget 3G then the only solution of replacing GPRS is EDGE which I think its more reasonable. 3G phones are mostly high end specification but I don't see the idea of why a lower specs phone equipped 3G speed data would release. I read the news from Sony E's dev. site and the guy said data transfer will most likely to be the most important factor for this year's mobile. May be another 3G phone might be released but I think EDGE is more of what he meant since for me I already called it FAST for GSM network.
SE's V800 is released for Vodafone true but SE have no other flip type phones except Z500 which is only an entry mid-end market phone, and its not the solution. V800 would most likely be released to other networks with its own SE style UI(I hate how Vodafone's UI looks). For me, it would be a boom if the V800 of other network releases exact same specs as the new Clara. Same specs, different form, what a great idea, just like Z600 and T630, perfect couple
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Posted by scotsboyuk
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You already mention the Z600 after saying SE only have two clamshell handsets, the V800 and Z500, but there is also the Z1010.
With regards to your comments about 3G and EDGE, I must disagree. EDGE has almost no future in Western Europe, it is highly unlikely that Western European networks will implement EDGE as they have already invested huge sums of money in 3G. The Japanese and Koreans are already committed to 3G, and the U.S. is starting to implement 3G services too. This only leaves those markets where there isn't the demand for 3G at the moment, whether through lack of affordabilty on the part of the customer or because the networks don't have sufficient resources to implement it.
As I said previously, NEC have already launched a budget 3G handset in the UK, in fact they have released more than one budget handset, the NEC 338 and the NEC e228 . Motorola have also released a budget 3G handset, the C975, and I would imagine that other manufacturers will follow suit. You can have a look at the current budget 3G handsets here.
Whether one likes or dislikes 3G, it is almost certainly here to stay, in Western Europe, Japan and Korea at any rate.
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Posted by lor
I don't think 3G will last, not once my kingdom starts using 4G... yes... then everyone will be jealous and want to be on 4G as well..
Posted by waja800
Lol. Which kingdom is that?
Posted by goldenface
Where are these bloody new phones?
Posted by bohdan
I think we have to wait till 18.01
Posted by scotsboyuk
@waja800
I doubt he means any of the kingdoms, which make up the United Kingdom as we already use 3G and 4G is a long way off here.
@lor
Unless you live in Japan (not a kingdom), you are unlikely to see 4G for at least a decade, even if you do live in Japan, you will still be waiting for at least five to seven years. I would imagine that by that time most of the developed world will be using 3G as the newtworks start downgrading their 2.5G services and 3G has become more attractive to the average customer.
Posted by wrecked_porsche
@Scot,
Waja, Lor and Me live in Malaysia. 3G is just starting here, not oficially out yet, but due any month now from two different telco providers. There are some trials in some areas for a select lucky few. It'll be out any time soon.
We do have EDGE up and running for some time now already though.
Posted by DragonEye
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would they realy shoudl focus on offering a product that covers the old and new...
like quadband gsm with 3g. that way everyone will benefit.
Posted by scotsboyuk
@sanjeevjaya
We don't have EDGE in Western Europe, 3G is being promoted here so the networks won't want to introduce EDGE too.
Do you all live in different kingdoms in Malayasia?
Posted by scotsboyuk
@DragonEye
With respect that would only really be benefitial to those living in North America or those who travel there reguarly.
Posted by kenx3000
I understand scotsboyuk's point of view now. Thnx for making it clear to me now. But who in U.S. is moving to 3G? well T-Mobile won't be on for another year or two as Mobileburn said it before, but the only one left is mostly Cingular, but Cingular doesn't even support EDGE yet and 3G will be a very big step to go across. No offense, alot of people that uses phone in U.S. barely knows functions as we do here. They only Text messages, call and receive, take pictures, listen to music, and PTT(Nextel) which for me its more like basic use of phones so I think barely anyone would accept 3G network since they have no knowledge of technology as Europe and Asia market.
I got bored talking to friends that are like WHT? What's EDGE? What's GPRS? You can go on the internet with the phone? what's mp3 phones? which these questions bored me and annoys me so much. I think U.S. will most likely to be the last to move into 3G comparing to Europe and South East Asia market since Europe already has 3G and South East Asia is moving into 3G sooner than U.S.
I even see its pointless of having EDGE since they don't even know what the heck GPRS is. Rather throw it to Asia market than U.S. markets for now and later when its a big need then add it.
Posted by FuricTrax
A simple explaination of EDGE:
http://www.ericsson.com/technology/tech_articles/EDGE.shtml
So it is more of an intermediary technology?
As far as the US and 3G is concerned...they havent even sold the radio frequencies for 3G yet!
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/commu[....]prs/0,39020339,39182956,00.htm
Posted by scotsboyuk
@kenx3000
Western Europe doesn't have EDGE either, but that is probably more to do with the fact that the networks won't want to promote a technology, which might detract from 3G.
The U.S. market is rather behind in terms of technology, but it is catching up and the state of mobile technology in the U.S. is much better than it used to be. Where the U.S. really lags behind is in services, both Europe and Asia, especially Japan and South Korea are introducing more and more mobile based services for customers.
There has been quite a bit of discussion on the state of the American mobile market in {url=http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=70318]this[/url] thread.
Posted by Indiandawg
Well reliance infocom in India provides 3g network and would love if SE V800 get released by them .
Posted by wrecked_porsche
@Scot
Waja and me live within walking distance of each other !
Lor, is abour an hours driving distance away.
Here we don't have kingdoms, we have different states
Anyway, the operator who has EDGE here isn't planning for 3G anytime soon.
The two operators who are gonna promote 3G here in the next couple of months are major players and we Malaysians expect the service to cost and arm and a leg.
You see, in Europe, your phones are ruined by the branding crap, but u guys have service plans/tarrifs and you get the phones cheaper and the price you guys pay for the services are actually quite "reasonable"... Then you have that "upgrade thingy" where you extend your plan and get a new phone for cheaper/free or whatever? We don't have it here.
Well, here, ALL our phones are unlocked and we don't have any branding Voda or Cingular crap in our phones. It comes with the original firmware and functions the way its supposed to. Even if you do buy a phone from the operator, its slightly cheaper, but it'll be locked for about 1 year. Thats all. They don't mess with the firmware.
But when it comes to the telcos service itself... hahahah, that's a totally different story...
I wish we had flat rates to pay so we can send a certain number of SMSes a month or MMS... but nope, we are charged through our mouths and nosses. We don't get free sms/wap or anything...
The telcos seem complacent and don't want to fight each other.
Heck, we cant even keep our old number if we decide to switch operators...
However lately, the war betweeen them has intensified...
Good for us consumers I say. SMS prices have been falling... So are the call rates. Its a lot better than it was a couple of years back. And the government has passed a rulling that says that the users have a right to keep their old numbers should they wish to change operators. Of course there is a small fee involved
I think it comes into effect latest by the end of 2005
If you asked me two years ago, I'd have said that you guys have it better, but lately, things have been looking up for us
I just wish that
would release more EDGE phones soon... Or at least ONE more ... for the asian region...
Posted by scotsboyuk
@sanjeevjaya
Isn't Malaysia made up of different kingdoms, each with its own monarch? I thought the the king was elected by and from these regional kings.
Posted by kenx3000
So is SE going to announce new phones? or they're going to keep it until Cebit few months away? I think Scotsboyuk is quite right now about new 3G models. Come to think of it, SE is putting up for Data Transfer like downloading and uploading this year, and except EDGE, 3G is the only way out, which means there's going to be alot of choices on EDGE and 3G model(JMO).
US won't be going into 3G yet though. Cingular just pushed out a whole mess of Samsung Models that supports EDGE. Which means in my idea is that Cingular would open EDGE plans soon. Verizon on the other hand won't be putting up 3G ofcourse since it decided to stick with its CDMA without anything new.
Asian market are all ready to move into 3G but some operator still waiting for a more suite time. Which ofcourse won't be too long from now.
Posted by DragonEye
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yes but isn't one chipset that does eveything better then 2 or 3 differnet chipsets...
I think south america is 850 as well.
Posted by goldenface
Just received this news alert in my inbox regarding exhibitors at CeBit, -
"Similarly, Sony-Ericsson exhibited a camera phone that was less a handset with an added camera feature than a Sony digital still camera that had morphed into a phone."
http://www.commsdesign.com/ne[....]ticle.jhtml?articleID=57702514
What the hell was that, was it just the S700i?
Posted by pinolo77
I think that SE is not releasing any more 3Gs soon.. Or at least will not be releasing a line-up of 3G phones. The reason, in my opinion, is that companies are still looking in which direction the market is moving. What do people expect from 3 G phones? No one knows for sure at this time. So why release anything newer than the V800 when you do not know what you are supposed to put in the phone?
Another thing is that the share of people that are switching to 3G is still too slow to justify a big investment in such phones. A flagship model (V800) has been placed, but now they are waiting and watching...
Also, the big thing about 3G will be content... (video, music, you name it!) and this implies a new design in software, that allows third parties (sw houses, operators, etc) to create products for the phones.
The market is evolving and no one is quite sure in which direction. For this reason SE, in my opinion, will wait a little more before coming out with new 3G phones. And in the meantime they might invest money and resources to create contacts with service providers to offer something in their phones.
Think about it as a computer with internet connection... What is the point in having a PentiumIV 3GHz with DSL connection if you are running windows 95 and playing solitaire on it??
That of course is just an opinion, not supported by any major rumors or whatever. (I might also be completely wrong
(for the first time in my life eh eh)).
But in my opinion it makes sense... Also, consider the V800 also as a test for a stronger relationship between SE and an operator. I think they also wanted to test what it looks like to cooperate (brand phones) and maybe have a better access to market intelligence... (Voda sales figures, what customers want, complaint handling and so forth).