Posted by brix25
@Tahir: Which one is better? Vodacom=3G/GPRSMTN= 3G/EDGE/GPRS Go figure which one seems the better connection.
Posted by Tahir Ally
@ Brix All i was saying is if any network that wants 3G.You have to roll out a NEW NETWORK.What WM was saying is MTN has all system in one.In other words he is trying to say where ever MTN has EDGE it will have 3G coverage because its in one base station.....THATS BULLSHIT.What networks are doing is there are putting a NODE(3G base station) next to the 2G base station and installing 3G antenaes on current masts.NETWORKS ARE NOT REMOVING 2G base station but adding 3G NODES next to each other
Posted by WirelessMonkey
Dudes don't even try and draw me into a "Who is the better connection" crap. Overall I stand on neutral ground with respect to all networks - on a more detailed level I will confess that each network has strengths and weaknesses. Dear Mr Ally while I'm encouraged by your devotion to a network, these are after all just companies that deliver a wide variety of services and products. I don't think that debating this issue calls for blinded devotion - it calls for an intellectual discussion aimed at sharing information and teaching each other more about this amazing technology. It's an empowering technology and we'll do better teaching everyone how to use it to better themselves, than to dwell on trivialities. Be inspired by what each network is doing and encourage the forward movement of such progress. I don't keep a score card - I celebrate each achievement being accomplished. My hat of to all who work diligently to deliver mobile empowerment to Africa.
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I say no more - "under construction" usually means that it's not functional. I was playing on Vodafone live! weeks before it went live and I noted this link. It may however still take time before this link becomes active. As for live TV on Vodafone live! - I have it on good authority that this will not happen before 2006.
Posted by brix25
Please could anyone tell me if the 6680 will be branded in Vodafone's red.
Posted by Tahir Ally
The Vodafone branded Nokia 6680 will be available at the end of July
Posted by brix25
@Mohil: Where did you get that 6680... Tahir has just put me off. Way off topic, just check out grouphug.us for some serious dysfunctional people spilling their guts. Defo one of my favourite sites.
Posted by Tahir Ally
Vodacom has plenty of stock which is not branded.Like i said before Vodafone branded 6680 will be available at the end of July........The 6680 is selling as fast as the Samsung D500.@Brix jus visit your nearest Vodashop for a 6680.MTN will only have it for sale in the middle of July or in August because they have software issues with the phone.
Posted by Mohil
Brix: I ordered the phone from Vodacom Direct. It was delivered to me last Wednesday. It's not a Vlive phone. I would like to add to my review though:
Battery life is lasting me about 4 days with frequent use, but I do have one major issue with my handset - I HAVE to switch the phone off to charge it, cos charging while it's on seems to have no effect. The battery meter shows that it's charging, but I left it to charge overnight, and in the morning it was still charging. I took it off charge, and the battery level was the same as before. I switched off, and it charged fully in half an hour.
If anyone else has a 6680, please tell me if you're having the same problem. Any chance of an available software update I can have done on my phone? Other than that, the phone is just peachy.
I don't seem to pick up 3g signal all the time though. I'd say about 50% of the time. Also, I still have not made a video call.
Posted by brix25
@Mohil: Thanks mate. Yep, the problem with the battery seems on the surface to be a software fault. I'm in Cape Town and have noticed that Vodacom's 3G signal is only available in certain locations and the cells seem to be very small. Good luck with your 6680.
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Posted by mario2002
Hey buddy,how much did you pay for your 6680? I am still waiting for Tahir with a answer on the selling price but he seems to be just as unreliable as his comments ;-) and have you tried another charger ? - regarding your charging problem. Also 3G seems to kill the battery on all the phones and networks all over the world about 2-3 times faster then EDGE (when mobile !).This is a well known fact by now (check all over the net) and certainly adds to the pathetic 3G public acceptance :-(
Posted by Mohil
I tried my old 3650's charger as well. Same problem. I need to switch it off, or else it won't charge. I hope there are software updates available to sort it out.
BTW, I ordered my phone from Vodacom Direct. I extended my Talk 120 contract, but I had to pay in an additional R1209 for the phone.
Posted by JK
BTW 6680 free on talk 500!!
and the K750 is available at this little store in sandton city, there wasnt a price unfortunatly...
its a ugly black.... like a old liquorice colour!!! should wait for silver...
Posted by mario2002
Thanks for the answer :-) I hope your problem can be solved by a software upgrade, but I think is a hardware problem :-( I've just checked on the nokia forums I visit and no one experienced something like that,which means the firmware upgrade may not even consider 'fixing' a non existent fault (from a mass production point of view) Why don't you just report the problem and have the phone replaced ? This will be a logical step,would'nt it ? :-)
Posted by mario2002
Huh buddy,only now strucks me. . . You have a S60 now :-) Go to http://www.agilemobile.com There you will find a application called AgileMessenger.Download it is for free. After installation you will be able log onto one of the main IM programs (ICQ,AOL,MSN,YAHOO and even the mighty JABBER) also we can ptt chat if you so wish for dirt cheap.(anywhere in the world) And how would you like a IRC terminal on your cell ? Add me: YAHOO- 'marios_cell' AIM-'marios cell' MSN-'marios_cell@hotmail.com' ICQ-'164112069' JABBER-'gomario'
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I posted the contract prices on 29 MAY 05.But i will post it again for you.Nokia 6680 R5500.Talk 500/1000 contract is FREE.Weekender R2009,Business,Talk 100/240 R1209.
Posted by sIssIs
hey... umm.... yeah (a reply of a previous topic) I know that 3G sucks your battery power... so when i'm not using 3G and know that the signal is too weak for a Video Call, etc. I turn the settings to GSM Only. When its GSM Only my V800 keeps powerd for 4days very frequent use and 8.5 days of a normal (mom & dad style) use. When on 3G...3days of very frequent use. Dunno how long on normail use.
It sucks that my contract can renew now! I wished it could've renewed next year... because there isn't actually excellent 3G mobiles. The V800 is really really the best mobile I used so far and I love it! I want a better mobile ....smaller....better battery life....etc. This is just a and-by.
Umm..... how old is everyone? (Brix you don't have to answer
The future's bright. The future's orange.
Posted by sIssIs
Have you seen that i've only posted 1 post...in total.... dis nonsens. Well...
Posted by Tahir Ally
@slssl If want a small 3G phone than buy the new Samsung V500.It has a 1.3 mega pixel camera 50 meg expandable mem card,bluetooth and much more.The phone is the same size as the Samsung E700.Now thats small.It will be available EXCLUSIVE TO VODACOM in JULY only
Posted by sIssIs
thanks for your interest... but... i don't know why.. but i've never used a sumsung mobile... and never actually liked them. Don't ask me why. Maybe in the future i'll use sumsung.
Posted by brix25
@ssls... I'm 27...and about you're post count... According to laffen and masseur posts in the regional forums don't count towards you're total posts... A classic example is myself, I've posted more than 500 posts but because most of then are in the SA discussion they don't count...guess what I don't care!
Posted by sIssIs
...i'm turning 16. Um... well then i don't have a pic. But who cares.
Posted by amawanqa
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On 2005-06-20 19:24:33, sIssIs wrote:
The future's bright. The future's orange.
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@ sIssIs,
Strange seeing such a common UK network slogan in the SA thread...what prompted you?
Hell, I feel like a bit of a 'toppie' here as regards age...at 34.
Can anyone beat that? I think Uncle Bob is the same age, tho.
Posted by Mohil
From where can I get ptt (push to talk) settings for my phone?
Posted by brix25
@Mohil: There aren't any settings for PTT bcoz no network offers the service yet. In actual fact very few networks outside the US offer PTT.
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Posted by WirelessMonkey
EDGE/WCDMA vs WCDMA only networks:
Thus far my research has uncovered the following -
EDGE triples GPRS capacity while increasing overall packet data performance
EDGE is a simple low cost add-on to existing GSM networks
EDGE does not require new cell planning or frequency planning
EDGE provides a necessary first step for a common GSM/WCDMA network
EDGE is the easiest path from GSM/GPRS to 3G high-speed data services, whether alone, or in combination with WCDMA.
Basically - instead of having to endure the teething problems that comes with deploying a 3G network (cell handovers etc), EDGE delivers speed comparable with current 3G networks, allowing users to experience everything associated 3G with the one exception being video telephony.
"The user will be unaware that the network they are using operates a mix of technologies, operating seamlessly alongside one another and comprising GSM, GPRS, EDGE and WCDMA components." - I quote.
"Even though W-CDMA is capable of bit rates up to 2Mbps, most industry analysts believe that since this would place a prohibitively heavy burden on network resources, speeds of somewhere between 144kbps to maybe 384kbps are more realistic. Perhaps due to the delays associated with 3GSM/W-CDMA rollout and the
uncertainty surrounding the potential demand for 3GSM services, many mobile operators throughout Europe are looking to EDGE to fill the gap." - GSM mobile operators are turning to EDGE to fill 3G gaps (October 2004)
According to the same report - "The GSMA (GSM Association) also believes that many GSM operators will offer 3G services on a combined WCDMA/EDGE network. According to its chief technical officer, Bill Best, one of the main motivations for
deploying EDGE is that it is a way of ‘filling in’ the geographical gaps between islands of W-CDMA coverage."
So... dudes... there is a logical issue with going to the EDGE - and MTN appears to be the network that is leading the way on the technical aspects of deploying the next generation of GSM technologies (note plural). While Vodacom have claimed victory for deploying South Africa's (and not Africa) first 3G network, they may have underestimated the complexity associated with deploying 3G base stations.
MTN appears to have studied the technical issues a tad bit closer and are EDGing to deliver a better user experience than a spotty and frustrating holed 3G network. After all, it's the 3G content we're all buzzing about with video telephony taking much longer to become a fad. We only need to look at MMS to know that this is very true.
TheWirelessMonkey... spoken like Danny Krane!
Posted by mario2002
38 and probably the oldest ;-) I want to apologise to Tahir,indeed he posted the price albeit not as a answer to my question but he did mention it earlier - sorry Tahir -.Also I have just found out that here in Jeffreysbay we will have a wide area network implemented on wifi ! It uses 'normal' wifi interlinked hotspots with a 32db gain aerial which extends the range to 2km or so line of sight ! The network is going online by the end of the month and is linux based.It operates exactly as the 'big internet' with servers and all that.And yes it is linked to the internet too,but the main advantage is in been able to phone over the network (voip) locally using the right equipment.(N91 comes to mind ) I will keep you posted on how it goes :-)
Posted by WirelessMonkey
To all my Nokia bruthas... this is why we love you in Africa
Nokia Signs On As Global Sponsor For Live 8 Concerts
Espoo, Finland - Nokia today announced that it has signed on as a global sponsor of the Live 8 concerts on July 2, 2005, organized by Sir Bob Geldof to call on the eight leaders of the world's richest countries to act for debt cancellation, increased aid and trade justice for the world's poorest people at the G8 summit six days later.
John Kennedy of Live 8 said, "Having Nokia as a global sponsor is fantastic as it underscores the importance of communication. Nokia brings additional awareness and visibility to this most important of causes - helping to eradicate poverty."
"We are proud to be a global sponsor of the Live 8 initiative," said Pekka Rantala, Senior Vice President, Multimedia Marketing, Nokia. "Nokia is about connecting people and the Live 8 initiative is a perfect example of what people can accomplish when we work together to achieve a common goal. It's also great to see that the passion people have for music can be channeled for a common good."
Posted by sIssIs
Well with EDGE you do need a new mobile, and I would rather take a 3G mobile than an EDGE mobile. Wouldn't everybody else? Its faster, video calling, etc. Then again the connections isn't good... but but but wait... how old is this tech? Its new just like the first GSM was unreliable etc. Vodacom is putting up EDGE... why the fuss. That means Vodacom will have 1st 3G at most places(I think), then seconde of that we still will have EDGE(which will fade away just like GPRS, as it's now going in Japan) ... I know one day ... but that day is coming. So when Vodacom has completed to put up their 3G network to the places they want it to cover, then they will concentrate on the EDGE. Well thats what I think.
Does ANYONE know of a Messenger that will work on my SE V800?? please
Ohh... about the future's bright. I dunno I just like it. And btw below in the czech passage.
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Posted by Tahir Ally
Everyone is bragging about EDGE.Well Well MTN WILL be launching 3G this Sunday.But they are getting the same Data card as Vodacom which does not support EDGE....I read on other sites that MTN will have discounts on VIDEO CALL for a limited time thereafter they will be charging more than a voice call.FREE minutes do not apply with MTN 3G .MTN will only have the SEricsson Z800,Nokia 6680,Samsung Z130(MTNexclusive) and Motorola V975.MTN will not charge for Video mail i now but will charge a monthly fee later.With MTN you have 2 buy a USIM after the 27June or you card will not work for 3G.
Posted by WirelessMonkey
Mr Ally - there is no need to speak of the competition with such a bitter taste in your mouth. When you know that your product offering is more superior, as Vodacom's is from what you are saying, then speak kindly and less boastful. People will be more inclined to appreciate modesty than boastful behaviour.
Yes, MTN's launch will be on June 27th in Jozi but there is no clarity as to what exactly they will be offering. Lets not forget that MTN are offering EDGE as per their GPRS offerings. It's to be expected that they may charge a premium for 3G, but I seriously doubt with Vodacom discounting, and I emphasise discounting, their 3G services, that MTN would be silly enough to charge a premium for their services.
That said, the dumb twits have fumbled in the past and have missed an opportunity or few by not challenging the competition. While I do have faith in their technology, I fear that their marketing leaves much to be desired. It's simply pathetic. Vodacom and Cell C excel simply because they have to, while MTN has had a tendency in the past to place their faith in their technology, only to realise later that marketing is what sells and not the technology working quietly delivering a more superior service to the competition.
I ran into both Alan Knott-Craig and Pieter Uys on the plane on Monday on a flight back to Cape Town and stopped to thank them for bring GSM to South Africa and Africa. This is what I think of the duo - and less credit to MTN for delivering a mass-market service.
See, I'm not the nasty pro-MTN goon you make me out to be. I try and evaluate each networks offerings, and if MTN are indeed to be charging a premium for their 3G services, I'll be the first to boycott it, and even go as far as calling for a boycott of their services, although, if it's really as hopeless as Mr Ally says it will be, then the market will decide if MTN 3G is to succeed.
I remind you again - MTN is offering EDGE as per their GPRS service, while Vodacom is merely discounting their 3G services to encourage an uptake of 3G services. Read the fine print, and see what's written in white ink (i.e. read between the sales pitch lines).
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Dude while PTT is being tested by local cellphone networks - yes it is live and available if you can access their platforms, I doubt that either Vodacom or MTN really want to push a service that will further undercut their cash cows - voice. Voice is big in Africa and voice is money - stated bluntly. With Africans making 130-170 voice calls for every ten SMS sent compared to Europeans who make six voice calls for every ten SMS sent, PTT is not something to be encouraged. It's a sad but true reality.
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Posted by mario2002
If you are using a S60 cellphone you can use PTT all day long over the gprs network (I use it everyday to cheaply chat with my brother in Germay). You have to install AgileMessenger and get a free account with one of the major IM companies (yahoo,msn,aol,icq,jabber).It works just fine and on EDGE even video messeging makes sens.(might be a bit expensive thou)
Posted by WirelessMonkey
@ mario2002
There are essentially two standards - FastMobile with FactChat is one kind of PTT that is based more correctly on IM standard. AgileMessenger is essentially just an IM service. PTToC... is the proper PTT standard. This is the service that is NETWORK dependent and the service supplied by vendors like Motorola (the world leader), Nokia, Ericsson and Siemens. PTToC... or Push-to-Talk over Cellular is very different from FastMobile and AgileMessenger. The essential difference is that PTToC streams the voice message from the instant you press the button. PTT as by FastMobile records the entire message first and then transmits the package across the internet and not across the cell network (put extremely simply).
Looking at it in another way - compared with Voice over IP / VoIP:
Skype is unregulated VoIP - this is essentially a free service but service quality cannot be guaranteed. STORM Internet's VoIP service is a regulated service in that is uses the MCI global network to ensure that digital quality is maintained. So, you pay for what you get.
FastMobile is probably the best unregulated service available as it's still regulated to a degree and hence why a monthly subscription is required. I first used and wrote about FastChat in 2003 when you couldn't even send an MMS between MTN and Vodacom cellphones. Then I was exchanging voice, pictures and movie clips with guys across the entire US, Brazil and even Mumbai, India. This was in July 2003. In December 2003 I saw the Motorola PTToC demo'd in Cape Town and was impressed by the immediacy of the PTToC service.
While PTT by FastMobile is a Symbian application running on a Symbian smartphone relying on an open GPRS gateway so that it can connect to the internet and its server in the UK, Motorola's PTToC used a server on the Vodacom network to connect to the Orange server in the UK and then to its labs in Colorado US. The PTToC service makes use of the phone's imbedded application, available on standard cellphones.
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Posted by Mohil
Thanks, MonkeyMan.
By the way, do you know if we'll ever get PTToC on Vodacom or MTN?
Posted by WirelessMonkey
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As stated, I know that they are both trying the service and it looks likely that they will offer the service only to corporate clients. The services on Vodacom and MTN would not be interconnected - this would hopefully encourage corporate clients to keep all their contracts on one network. PTToC's presence and buddy list are the great attractions for corporates.
Public user access to PTToC may never materialise in South Africa. But then again... stranger things have happened and my hope is that Cell C will see it as an opportunity to attract more youth and black customers.
Posted by mario2002
Monkeyman ,while 'instant' ptt certainly speeds up the conversation is not always wishfull.I have tried both and believed or not 'talk first' ptt gives me more time to think what should I reply.After all I chat on my 'own terms' and don't want always to get to 'involved' (especialy with net buddies) if I really have something important to discuss I always can use the cell to call :-)) You say you could send videoclips and pictures from your cellphone in mid 2003 ! Then I beat you by half a year buddy ;-) My first picture I send from my 7650 using wireless irc terminal for the mighty S60 platform was in dec 2002 (a accident scene which I had to attend) my brother (germany) was so impressed by that 'instant feat' he bought himself a 7650 as a christmas 2002 present :-) I used to chat with buddies on IRC and no one would believe me I was on a cellphone.
Posted by sIssIs
MTN is offering EDGE as per their GPRS service : what does that mean? MTN is offering EDGE and GPRS as the same price or somethign like that?
Posted by Tahir Ally
Yes if its data its the same price.............If anyone wants to buy a S700i.BUY IT NOW because...........
Posted by sIssIs
well.... were vodacom has EDGE(limited) it's probably the same price. aswell are their 3G. umm... WB im not against you or anything but that was stupid to say twice...as you were trying to say it actually. everyone knowe vodacoms prices GPRS=EDGE=3G and MTNs prices GPRS=EDGE=3G(maybe) . Oh and WM what does stand in the fine print? please tell
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Posted by zani_003
sunday is the day
yellow 3G
Posted by WirelessMonkey
To all...
I don't get draw into tit-for-tat and other crap. This is why when I state something I try my best to substantiate this with hard facts. So, since I've been so kind to show and tell... why don't some of you other Monkey Bruthas do the same - show me the money... or is that facts?
Posted by WirelessMonkey
MTN Group Ltd, the second largest mobile operator in South Africa, has further expanded its African reach after acquiring GSM networks from two mobile operators in Cote d'Ivoire and Zambia.
The South Africa-based operator already has operations in Nigeria, Cameroon, South Africa, Uganda, Rwanda and Swaziland. MTN has been keen to push into developing African markets, as the South African mobile market is now regarded as mature, and its very high mobile penetration rates offers very little growth opportunities.
MTN has now made agreements to buy a 51% stake in Ivory Coast's Loteny Telecom, which trades as Telecel Cote d'Ivoire, and a 100% stake in Zambia's Telecel Zambia. The operator gave no financial details, although the deal should increase MTN's total subscriber base to over 16 million.
Telecel Cote d'Ivoire has a market share of 46% and over 800,000 subscribers. The transaction was cleared by regulatory authorities but is subject to some minor conditions. Cote d'Ivoire is one of two operators in the West African nation.
"The country boasts one of the largest ports in sub-Saharan Africa and an outstanding infrastructure with a network of over 16,000km of paved roads, making the Ivory Coast an attractive investment opportunity for us," said Yvonne Muthien, group executive for corporate affairs at MTN.
She says the country has recorded one of the highest growth rates for GSM services in Africa over the last five years and growth potential still remains high, given the current mobile penetration rate of approximately 11%.
Posted by TeenInvader
Anybody knows a dealer in SA who can unbrand my V800?
Posted by TeenInvader
Anybody selling the t68i cable or some service cable that can be use to remote unlock/flash the SE phone?
Posted by celltech
A Y'ello solution for the new cellphone virus!
MTN has implemented an enhanced software application to block the new cellphone virus called CommWarrior, as well as any future viruses. In partnership with WhiteCell Inc., the messaging software provider, MTN is now able to block the virus message generation thus protecting its subscribers with Bluetooth enabled phones from the virus. For the first time in South Africa, MTN has an anti-virus blocking software solution that demonstrates its innovation and its commitment to excellent customer service delivery. This anti-virus blocking software is called MMSafe, and has been operational in MTN since Monday 13 June 2005, and has proven successful in blocking 100% of messages generated from infected handsets on the MTN network.
The notorious MMS virus, CommWarrior virus only spreads itself via Bluetooth. It cannot be transmitted or propagated via MMS on the MTN network, as the Comverse Multimedia Messaging Service Centre (MMSC) implemented within MTN's network strips out the virus part of a MMS message.
The virus only affects Symbian based cellphones, and especially the Series 60 user interface cellphones. The virus, once transmitted to a cellphone, generates MMS messages to random numbers on the subscriber's cellphone with one of the following subjects:
3DGame, 3DNow!, Audio driver, CheckDisk, Desktop, manager, Display driver, Dr. Web, Free SEX!, Happy Birthday!, Internet Accelerator, Internet Cracker, Matrix Remover, MS-DOS, Nokia ringtoner, Norton Antivirus, PocketPCemu, Porno images, PowerSave Inspector, Security update #12, Symbian security update, SymbianOS update, Virtual SEX, WWW Cracker or any other random generated subject.
If a MTN subscriber receives such an MMS, the subscriber's handset is not infected, and cannot be infected by the message, as MTN's MMSC strips out the virus infected attachment. The sender of the message is the one infected by the virus. MTN customers can thus use the enhanced functionality of MMS without fear, and continue to send them.
Previously, before the MTN anti-virus blocker software installation, a subscriber was charged for the MMS messages generated by the virus, and had to contact the MTN call centre to be refunded for messages sent. With the new virus blocking software implemented, 100% of the virus generated messages are blocked before they can be charged to the subscriber. In other words no bogus virus-generated messages will be charged to the subscriber.
Although the anti-virus blocking software does not stop the spread of the virus via Bluetooth, it protects the subscriber from the impact of the virus. Bluetooth interacts directly with a subscriber's handset and is thus independent of the network, thus MTN is unable to limit the spread of viruses through Bluetooth. MTN subscribers infected with the CommWarrior virus still need to get a handset software update from their service provider, or download an anti-virus application to their cellphone. The subscribers will charged for the software upgrades if their cellphone is out of warranty.
"The best way of protecting yourself from the virus is to switch off the Bluetooth connection and hide one's visibility to all Bluetooth enabled phones. If a subscriber receives a request to install a file or a message sent via Bluetooth, the subscriber must not choose to install the file or accept the message. This MMS Anti-virus blocking solution will protect our subscribers by protecting them from the effects of the virus, while they can keep on enjoying the benefits of MMS, without the fear of their handset being infected by receiving an MMS message." said Ashraff Paruk, General Manager: Products and Innovation, MTN SA.
Posted by brix25
@Bongzino: Nice name, welcome to the SA thread. It's called the T28 cable, don't know if you'll find it in SA but you can always try eBay if you've got a credit card. BTW hope you're not hating on Shady/Aftermath.
Posted by sIssIs
Hello. Umm.. MTN doesn't have 16mil subscribers. Internationally if a company owns like MTN 51% in a company with 800 000 subscribers, then MTN only counts the 51% part of the 800 000 which is 392 000. Huge difference. Just stating this because Vodafone only counts its percentage owned it each company, dus why it is 2nd in total subscribers worldwide.
ICASA musn't take away the free mobiles with the contracts, this means NO ONE WILL BUY A NEW MOBILE! Then everybody is just going to use the mobile they're now using forever. I promise you that. THey will only get a new mobile if they have to. Most people(98%) can't even afford a mobile at R2000+. This means the mobile prices will jump and we the people looking for advanced mobiles will suffer. Stupid ikaka!
The future's doesn't seems bright.