Posted by OluYom
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Great news!
@brix. Nope; not a word on GPRS from Nigeria's Yello boys.
Thanks for the permission, guys!
Posted by WirelessMonkey
Yo yo yo... my brutha Brix... dude watz up with all this negativity to my boyz in Y'ello lala land over in Fair(y)land? You tink dose boyz dunno how ta hook up some free cable for da boyz in da hood? Yo dude day don't need no high flying shite like dem Johnickas niggas who who rat dem out when day sold dem out last year. Dem Johnickas niggas are no longer joining da party over in Fair(y)land.
Dude - Johnnic sold their shares in MTN more than a year ago to refocus their resources on publishing. Mnet or more specifically Mutil-don't have no bloody-Choice are plugging into both Vodafone live! supplying Supa-dupa-Sport, and now MTN.
And, my dear brutha... that's where all the colour's gone and that's why they're called Mutil-don't have no bloody-Choice!
Posted by brix25
Ok, my bad on the bit about Johnnic. One of the things that hooked me onto 3G was when I saw a demo a year ago where they showed off a live video stream of CNN...truly awesome. BTW how much would it cost to watch an hour of streaming video(data rates)?
Posted by mario2002
@AYA Hey buddy,where are you from ? Isn't that a bit expensive to watch a movie on 3G ? At, let's say 240kbps = 30KByte which gives you 1.7Mbyte a minute or Rand 3.5 ! x 100 minutes for a movie lengt is 350Rand ! And all that on a 2inch screen ! I don't know.
Posted by brix25
LOL@mario... AYA is from Nigeria and he's got respect from me coz he kept this thread alive during the early days. On video streaming it's seems on the surface to be quite expensive.
Posted by WirelessMonkey
Dudes... this is technology warrior shite... who cares about cost. The fact that I'm one of the first customers to be doing it is a good enough reason to pay a premium for accessing it. But that big head shite aside - these services are delivered by subscription. Don't think of it as WAP - it's not. The video app on a 3G cellphone links directly to a server. So, you pay a subscription fee instead of a per MB fee. This makes the whole speel so much better and cheaper. Hell no, no one can afford paying GPRS / 3G data rates for TV on your mobi.
Posted by Mohil
Sorry for the late reply.
Here's my "review" of my 6680:
I took the phone off the 16-hour charge at about 10 am yesterday (16/06/05) and now 25 hours later I've dropped 1 bar out of 7 on my battery metre. And that's after tranferring all 20 Mb of my 3650's goodies across to the 6680 via Bluetooth, after 3 or 4 five-minute voice calls, and after over 1mb of surfing. So battery life looks good.
As for data, I was really impressed. I downloaded a 200kb game, and it took me just under 10 seconds. Can't give you accurate figures though.
The loudspeaker is a bit disappointing, and MP3's sound very crappy over it, but plug in the stereo headset (inclusive) and it's a whole different story.
Memory runs out very quickly. 64Mb + 10 Mb is not quite enough, and I can't use the 128 mb MMC that I used in my 3650 in the 6680, cos it's not reduced-size.
Camera and screen quality are really top-notch, but that's after being used to a VGA camera on a 4096-colour screen, so don't quote me on that, but I was impressed. The smooth 6x digital zoom is really good, and the flash is very bright.
I still haven't made a video-call as yet, cos I've got nobody to phone, so I'll hold back comment on that.
Overall, I'm pleased with my investment. But I will need to buy a higher capacity (I was about to say "bigger") RS-MMC soon, cos the 1.3 megapixel photos take up about 500 to 700 kb of space at a time.
Hope my "review" was helpful.
Posted by Mohil
I'm posting this message from my phone... Kewl!
Posted by WirelessMonkey
Pretty day in Cape Town... again
Pictured through the lens of a Sony Ericsson K750i 2 megapix camera.
Posted by Rhino8
Good review bout the 6680 defo my next phone unless sony pulls a rabbit out of the hat, something that seems very unlikely at the moment.
Posted by mario2002
Yeah,thanks buddy ;-) it seems that esato only 'pays respect' to the 7650 by mentioning its name at the bottom of the message.Brix thanks for clarifying who AHA is.And lastly,is it true that on 3G the battery discharges very quickly ?
Posted by brix25
@mario: Suprisingly the 7650 is the only Nokia AFAIK recognised by Esato. @Mohil: Good review mate...there's still a couple issues I need to investigate before choosing the phone.
Posted by RicK700i
Hey do ya think da S700 sold well or fairly well in the Republic of South Africa?I only seen a few people with that phone,but D500 are far common.The S700 is only R135 p/m on Vodacom contract.
Posted by Tahir Ally
Vodacom will be launching the desk top and laptop deals in 7 days time.If you sign up for a laptop you will pay R799pm and R699pm on 3G 1 for a desk top.There are only 2 types of PC deals.All pc are HP and it comes with Vodafone wireless connect card.These deals are subject to a 36month contract...........Tomorrow i will post the specs on these pc and before launch i will post more details.YOU DONT PAY ANYTHING UPFRONT FOR YOU PC.Vodacom is launching it when MTN is launching 3G
Posted by RicK700i
I think Tahir Ally should'v answered my previous question.To brix25 and rhino8.If ur next wasnt 3G phone,would ya buy the K750i or W800i? If not,why?
Posted by brix25
@Rick: I think the answer to your question is obvious. Tahir will probably be able to confirm this but the D500 one of SA's top selling phones...don't think the S700i comes close. On the other hand have been noticing the K700i a lot more these past couple of months...guess it's price drops from SE in anticipation of the K750.
Posted by RicK700i
To brix.I dont think the answer to the S700i question caus the S700i is now affordable on Voda contract R135 p/m
Posted by Tahir Ally
YES the Samsung D500 is tge fastest selling phone.The reason K700i sales are picking up because Samsung did away with the E600 and they now hav the E330.The E330 does not have a TFT DISPLAY.Also SonyEricsson is giving all dealers R50 for every SonyEricsson sold.TheS700 is a better phone than the D500.I think the S700i is not selling as fast as D500 because the S700i is bigger in size.ONLY WAY to sell a D500 customer a s700i is to tell them. S700i has a mem card which can be expanded,Screen is scratch proof to slight scratches and you can use the phone as like a cybershot.
Posted by brix25
It's agreed, the S700 is a way better phone than the D500...but it loses out in it's design. Would love to see how the S600 does when it's launched towards the end of the year against the Samsung's and Nokia's.
Posted by OluYom
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Like Brix25 said, I'm from Nigeria.
@Brix25: You will forgive my long absences these days. not intentional; just a little busier than ever.
TV on 3G definitely sounds expensive, but I can imagine that a good number of people will have a go at it once in a while just for the kicks
I would!
As for the S700, I have never liked the design. The D500 looks better, for sure!
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Posted by brix25
@AYA: Like the WirelessMonkey said earlier live streaming video services will be subscription based...so no worries about sky high data bills.
Posted by Tahir Ally
Phones in near future will have built in TV tuners so we dont have to pay for subs or any stream but YES in SA we can only pick up SABC123 and ETV for FREE maybe other channel will be streamed at a fixed monthly cost..........FACT MTN chargers 86cents throught the day on contracts and they dont offer per second billing from the 1st second on all contracts.PAYING 86cents a SMS during off peak time thats ROBBERY...........Yello ROBBERS EVERYWHERE YOU GO
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Yes, that's definitely the way to go for mobile data of the future.
Posted by brix25
Any1 around here been the victim of a smartphone virus? Funny thing is, I've always got my BT switched on, discoverable mode and in a couple of crowded areas like my office and @ bars some unknown device has been attempting to send me a file over BT... But I can't open it coz I ain't got a smartphone...it's funny though how these viruses can spread.
Posted by Tahir Ally
There are 52 virus tha affects the symbian 6 platform.It affects most Nokia phonesmThese virius can also spread through unlicenced Instant messaging services.Lucky me i dont own on a NOKIA
Posted by Mohil
Don't the Ericsson P-series phones also run on the symbian operating system? Don't be so quick to slam Nokia. Ericsson was part of the Symbian development too. It was a joint agreement by a number of various manufacturers.
By the way, people. I've owned a Nokia symbian for 26 months now, and have never encountered any virus. If you're responsible with your phone, you have nothing to fear.
Saying "lucky I don't own a Nokia" because it's more prone to viruses is like saying "lucky I don't own a Ferrari cos I'd get more speeding fines."
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Posted by mario2002
Huh buddies ,just read some of my previous postings regarding viruses and cellphones.To clarify one thing,a pc virus and a cellphone virus is not the same thing ! If you manage to remember this then you have already learned the important part about the symbian viruses.My dream is to develop a real virus for a symbian phone 'just for fun'.We are a group of people on the net,all C++ and symbian literate working towards a common goal.Now the problem is (big problem) a symbian phone stores its operating system in rom and copies it to eeprom during the start up routine.A pc uses its hard drive to store the operating system.You don't need to be a rocket scientist to realize that by simply deleting the initiation routine and then off/on the cell (copies rom back to eeprom) any 'virus' can be deleted from a S60 cellphone :-(
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If i did not require 3G and symbian, i would never leave se, and i would surely have bought the k750i , but even with all the virus scares going around, there are still ways to prevent getting them, which is why i will keep my non symbian little marvel, k700i. My mobile number is freely available on web, so my mms service will be disabled on my symbian
Posted by Rhino8
And dont download email to your symbian, the chat site i use got an email service i can use to check my email and then if i decide its safe just download the files from there, and 3, dont leave your bluetooth on, actually, to disable it totally is the way to go, when using my laptop with phone as modem in a crowed place, its easy........ Will just use my trusted sony.
Posted by brix25
@Mohil: You're right, the P-series can also be infected as well as any phone using the Symbian OS but most of the viruses have targeted Series60 phones from Nokia. @Rick: If SE's releases/announces a worthy 3G/EDGE phone I might be swayed from the Evil Empire.
Posted by WirelessMonkey
Guys... there are different Symbian OS - this includes the Nokia Communicator series, the Nokia and Siemens Series 60, and then the Sony Ericsson and Motorola UIQ Series. THe viruses being spread have thus far only affected the Series 60 platform. This is an important fact that must be communicated. There are many ways of protecting yourself through simple user management. Keeping your cellphone "discoverable" on Bluetooth is like screwing without a condom. You're simply an idiot looking for trouble.
Why was this feature added to all new Bluetooth devices? - this was done because of Blue Snarfing - not Blue Jacking. Blue Jacking, which involves sending a phonebook entry to an available Bluetooth phone, is an innocent and fun thing to do. There can be no malicious intent unless the message contained is in itself malicious.
Blue Snarfing is another story - this involves a computer being used to access available Bluetooth devices (including cellphones, PDAs and laptops). Here the attacker hacks the victim's Bluetooth device with the intention to steal information like contacts of documents being stored on the phone. You cannot Snarf with a cellphone as it lacks the ability to "hack" into the OS of another phone.
The ability to change the discovery mode of a cellphone, PDA or laptop was introduced to add security to Bluetooth devices. When in discoverable mode you are visible to other users. They can scan for your device and REQUEST to pair with your device. They have to first pair before they can send a file WITHOUT YOUR PERMISSION. They can of course send, but you still have to accept the connection before you can receive the file.
When the discoverable mode is deactivated, no one NOT PAIRED with your device can see you. ONLY DEVICES PREVIOUSLY PAIRED can view you and connect to you. THen again the connection can only be made if you have allowed this device to pair without consent. This is used for, in my example, my cellphone being detected automatically by my PowerBook and the link being made automatically when the two devices come within range. It allows me to exchange files without a need to pair each time. This does not make me visible to others, nor can anyone else link to my PowerBook (which is also in the hidden Bluetooth mode).
Hope this helps. Nokia phones are safe - it's the users that are being silly or just darn right stupid. Nokia was one of the first companies to introduce these Bluetooth modes.
Here's an example of what my PowerBook keeps to recognise friendly devices (note that things have been change to protect the innocent):
Here you'll note that this connection relies on two unique codes being matched - in addition to the phone's name (user specified) and the software version - it also needs the unique Bluetooth device number (
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Posted by OluYom
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Series 60 is often described as the weakest link in the Symbian chain. Of course the fact that its also the most popular does not help matters. Most Symbian viruses target Series 60. I am yet to come across one that infects UIQ or series 80.
For example, accepting Cabir on a P800 poses no problem. It won't get infected.
But as has been explained above, getting a virus off your Symbian phone is a piece of cake. Again, your phone cannot get infected if you follow some simple principles. The first of this is: Never accept unknown files or known files from an unverified source.
Addendum: MonkeyMan just put it the way it is above
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Posted by brix25
@WirelessMonkey: The Nokia 6310i was made to be Bluelacked...whenever I detect this phone in a crowded area I rub my grubby hands in glee for the mischief about to follow.
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Brix... my dear brutha... you are but a learner and for this reason I wish to share what I know with you... good grief I'm like a grandfather in age difference and I should be tweaking glass tube transistors and gas filled processors - but here I am dispensing crap about something I actually don't know much about ha ha - DUDE! ... the 6310i was like yonkers oud! That thing is so so so a part of history and the BT issues with that blast from the Nokia archives dates back to a time when dinosaurs grazed on top of Table Mountain... okay I know that there may still be some American dinosaurs batting about the Table top... but it's an ancient phone and doesn't feature with respect to Bluetooth security. In fact, it's probable an example of how bad BT once was.
Posted by brix25
@Monkey Man: You'll be suprised how many people still walk around with the 6310i... which was the last of a breed. I think I need to post this on the "I did something naughty" thread.
Posted by WirelessMonkey
Oh Brix my dear Brix... you live in the past dear brutha. You must look ahead and embrace the future which is Apple paired with Sony Ericsson's K750i / W800i and soon to be launched S700i and P910i successors. Life's to short to keep living in the past. Be bold - embrace the future... that said... Nokia, Samsung and Motorola will also be blowing our socks off with some really beautiful creations of their own.
Posted by sIssIs
Hello again. I just want to ask IS CELL C REALLY GOING TO USE VODACOM'S 3G NETWORK? If thats true then there can only be one language to describe that and thats afrikaans: Dit is n bol KAK! Sorry. But cell c only signed a deal with Vodacom to use the GSM network(I think). I know Cell C is new and its okay if they use the GSM network but when they want to use a TOTALLY new service like EVERYONE else, they have to pay their own "fokken" 3G masts! Oh just btw im also a Vodafan
Do prdele Buňka C musit běh a do prdele jeden kůň ( či MTN ) ona ar spravedlivý Mesiáš vše autobus , ne délání látka lacino! Běh Vodafone Jak se máte?
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Posted by brix25
@slssls: Someone on here mentioned something about Cell C's plans for 3G, think it was in Business Times a week ago. I'm not sure about them using Vodacom's UMTS network...which would be a crazy story IF there was any truth in it. BTW: What language was that at the end?
Posted by sIssIs
czech. Umm.... yes well I hope it isn't true. Oh WirelessMonkey what DStv channels are available on MTN's 3G? Because Voda3G has a MNet (with some programs) on demand trial which I think they are testing if the people uses it.
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The relationship between Cell C and Vodacom is renegotiated periodically each time Cell C extends its roaming arrangement with Vodacom. Cell C would to include 3G in any future agreements, as it had to do with GPRS. However, Vodacom subscribers always take priority over Cell C subscribers (I don't want to go into all the other technical issues that protect the Vodacom customers but suffice to say that they enjoy a full and unaffected service over the Cell C users).
With respect to Vodacom 3G availability to carry any new Cell C traffic - I quote from the annual Vodacom report:
"the number of active 3G users on (Vodacom) as at March 31, 2005 was
10,853 and the number of active Mobile Connect Card users on the network as at
March 31, 2005 was 5,105."
That's just 16 000 users nationally out of a total of 15.5 million GSM users and 800 000 GPRS users (based on 5% data users). So it's not difficult to see the Vodacom 3G can very comfortably carry Cell C 3G users. In fact, this will only benefit Vodacom 3G as it makes it more profitable. I think the Vodacom boys are acting wisely.
As for MTN - MTN launched EDGE and GPRS+ which gives them an immediate customer base of 300 000 users. Now, if only all these wonder full technologies would actually work it would be amazing. I'm luck to get one day a week of decent and acceptable quality of data connectivity on either Vodacom or MTN. It's frustrating, and I think that the average user would simply lose interest in using GPRS if they tried using the services.
Posted by WirelessMonkey
Dear fellow African Esato peeps - it's here finally ... MTNLoaded is hosting a great new online album service. You can now upload your pictures to the site and share the album with friends, and MMS pictures to other friends.
http://www.mtn.co.za/?pid=228078
Guys also read this:
S.African watchdog says probes mobile contracts
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Posted by sIssIs
That album thing is not much exciting, lol. Umm on the Vodafone Live! menu we also have a Live! Studio.... but it is still under construction. So what channels of DStv is there on MTN?
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Posted by sIssIs
Oh another thing WM.... everyone is so excited that MTN launched EDGE and that you will switch from 3G>EDGE>GPRS..... but but but they wasted their money on EDGE where they could've put 3G stations up with that money. I know there are now more EDGE mobiles..... but but but again... it's just like a "Fase" then all EDGE mobile will probably be extinct. Vodacom did want to worry about EDGE then "saved" that money for more 3G stations... so what i'm trying to say is that if you just could've put up 3G which is the future and faster, why bother with EDGE. MTN must cover all the EDGE areas with 3G one day... so to me I think Vodacom had the "brains" and the "heart" there. Am I right or wrong? WM thanks for all your info... it's great.
Posted by WirelessMonkey
@ sIssIs
Okay not sure what the technical reasoning is but it has been stated that an EDGE-WCDMA network makes for a better user experience. I do know from what was shown to me by the MTN techies last year that the switch for MTN actually is all the same - it's a mtter of switching boxes - replacing existing dated GSM boxes with new GSM/EDGE/WCDMA boxes. I think that MTN's switch will offer a better solution in time to come. I'll find the exact reason and post it.
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>>Ericsson adds that the EDGE-WCDMA combination also enables operators to have more control over network investment and make the best of scarce resources. "Telecoms consultancy Northstream estimates that operators can save up to 50% on capital expenditure on a combined EDGE-WCDMA network compared with deploying WCDMA alone."
From the GSM Association's website:
"EDGE - Enhance Data rates for GSM Evolution, is an open ITU standard radio access specification to support 3G services. Originally positioned as an in-band solution where new IMT-2000 spectrum was unavailable, EDGE has become an effective complement to WCDMA as the combination of EDGE and WCDMA offers the most spectrally efficient and lowest cost solution for 3G services delivery in all regions of the world."
MY comments - You must understand that when a network spends (what appears to be) more on upgrading their network - moving from GSM/GPRS to GSM/GPRS+ to EDGE to WCDMA (3G) - there has to be a good reason for this. I'm not a technical person but I try to understand why it is that networks do certain things. When Vodacom first rolled out their network more than a decade ago, they focused their energy on deploying as wide a network as soon as possible. They decided to employ three vendors (Motorola/Alcatel/Siemens). This came back to haunt them as GSM services became more complex and there was greater demand for data services. MTN stuck with one vendor - Ericsson, which is why they could offer HSCSD, Conference calling from day one, GPRS with excellent soft handover.
It's in this last statement that you need to look for MTN's reasoning - base station hand-overs. Vodacom is essentially deploying a second network, whereas MTN are merely upgrading their network. I think that time will tell which is the wiser. (Risking it) - yeah, I trust in MTN's technical expertise. They have the proven track record of delivering robust and dependable systems, and a better user experience. And because 3G is all about data and speed, I'm going to trust the experts when they say that MTN's combination approach is a better marriage for a better user experience. Don't forget that this is all about mathematic algorithms and not just about masts and signal spread. MObile communication is about moving and not just about standing in one place.
Don't be fooled by marketing - just because someone says that they're the first, does not mean that they'll be the best option.
In addition I need to also state that Vodacom will deploy EDGE, as stated by CEO Alan Knott-Craig.
As for DSTV - I've seen the movie channel and MNET - it's just a trial link that was shared with me by a technical person.
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Posted by sIssIs
Thank you. But ... yes I know it will be an added option, a nice option, but if you only had 3G then you wouldn't need EDGE. I hope Vodacom saw the light and only choose one vendor for the 3G stuff etc.
Posted by WirelessMonkey
Yes, this time they did - they are only using Siemens. Their 3G network is brilliant but still has a long way to go before it's widely available. The signals on both MTN and Voda are overall weak and intermittent. Where I live MTN is the best, at my office Vodacom is the best. Thank goodness I have both.
Posted by Tahir Ally
@wireless monkey any cellular network that wants a 3G network has to deploy a complete new network.You can not upgrade a 2G network to 3G.3G is a completely new system and a new frequency.Vodacom was rolling out its EDGE network since March this year but they are focusing on a WIDE 3G COVERAGE.Vodacom stated numerous times that by end of this year 3G coverage will be almost anywhere in SA..........Vodacom computer deals packaged with current 3G packages will be launched this week.All computers are HP.I will post pc specs tomorrow.I know i promised yesterday
Posted by sIssIs
Vodacom didn't say that. They said 600 more base stations is up by the year ended. Well what I think WM meaned by MTN only have to upgrade their stuff , and not putting up a new network is... that MTN only have to put the 3Gbox thingy nest to the other ericsson 2.5G box. But isn't that the same as any other... btu who cares. Um... I just want to know who is the best Vendor? Or are all vendor the same? I same somewhere Ericsson said they are the best... but is that only because they are used the most?
Posted by WirelessMonkey
At all - my professional experience with data is that MTN has always excelled. NOw I'm not saying that Vodacom is bad - in fact I've been showering praises on them for delivering as stated. Shown to me in the field by both is how they have integrated 3G with existing technology - the old transmitters are literally being fitted with a third UMTS antenna so that now each antenna on a base station (which has three facing in different directions) now also has a 3G one fitted. Now, with MTN the difference is inside the little container box that sits on each site. MTN are swopping out boxes and replacing old dated GSM boxes with new GSM/EDGE/WCMDA boxes - I think they may have just had a better opportunity to bring EDGE in at possible a lower cost than it will cost Vodacom to do this. Fact is that both networks are going the EDGE/WCDMA route, but that MTN were first. In defense of the blokes in Y'ello land - their 3G trials having been going longer than Vodacom. It's no secret that Sony Ericsson and Ericsson share the same building and hence why I have been privileged to some inside info there. But I don't actually have access to either networks so I'm not going to be stating facts I cannot support. Rest assured that South Africans are luckier than most others in that we are getting good technology being deployed and we will see the benefits in years to come. My hat's off to both - and even to Cell C for innovating with new contract ideas.
Posted by Tahir Ally
If MTN just have to add a small box its network.It should have UPGRADED ITS whole network completely and it was the case of just putting a small box.Why is MTN upgrading its current network to EDGE.......I think WM needs to clarify what he means by UPGRADE.Other networks that use ERICSSON ONLY for it 2G networks are rolling out a A NEW 3G NETWORK.No such thing of software upgrades or adding a box to a 2G network that will make it 3G.Ha Ha HA.....Yes ERICSSON are WORLD LEADERS when it comes to network equipment