Posted by Angelgirl
Yes o AYA that is what i mean 'number portability' how will it work?
Does this mean that if i switch my Glo line to Mtn, i get to enjoy mtn freebies like free night calls and i now load my phone with mtn recharge card instead of Glo's?
and also,
Are there going to be hidden charges or technicalities involved in switching to another network?
Posted by ambyzown
@Angel: You wish!
Posted by ambyzown
If and whenever number portability becomes functional on any of our networks rest assured that it will only be available on contract packages and you will be obliged to sustain the contract even after you have migrated
Posted by OluYom
On 2007-08-28 17:21:05, Angelgirl wrote:
Yes o AYA that is what i mean 'number portability' how will it work?
Does this mean that if i switch my Glo line to Mtn, i get to enjoy mtn freebies like free night calls and i now load my phone with mtn recharge card instead of Glo's?
and also,
Are there going to be hidden charges or technicalities involved in switching to another network?
No; number portability simply means that you can switch from Glo to MTN without having to change your number. You will no longer be able to use your former network's services but your number will not change.
@I do not see how your assertion that it will be available only on contract lines plays out, or how the customer is supposed to continue to pay a service charge on the old network. One, it sounds whacky. Two, you are (thankfully) not the regulator
Posted by pxthomas
Make una explain this number portability. This layman's brain could not comprehend anything even after going thru Aya's link
Posted by coolapostle
The networks that should be worried are: MTEL and Celtel. Their subs will decamp in large numbers. Except, of course, Amby.
From my understanding, number portability means I get to change from one network to another and still keep my number. I should think those with contracts will have a harder time switching since they have to fulfill -or cancel- their contracts.
But NCC is probably shooting itself in the foot. NCC says the networks should stop all promos until the increase their capacity and now they want number portability. Can Glo and MTN (the main beneficiaries) cope with the influx???
Posted by ambyzown
@aya: it is my understanding that the 0802 number prefix is exclusively for the celtel mobile network and so if i originate a call from any network to an 0802 number my host exchange automatically routes the call to a celtel switch. now assume that this 0802 number has been ported to glo, are you telling me that celtel will allow its switch to reroute this call to a glo switching station for free? no way! number portability is a premium service, and you will be made to pay for it.
Posted by OluYom
On 2007-08-30 17:45:16, ambyzown wrote:
@aya: it is my understanding that the 0802 number prefix is exclusively for the celtel mobile network and so if i originate a call from any network to an 0802 number my host exchange automatically routes the call to a celtel switch. now assume that this 0802 number has been ported to glo, are you telling me that celtel will allow its switch to reroute this call to a glo switching station for free? no way! number portability is a premium service, and you will be made to pay for it.
I am sorry, but your sentiments do not reflect the facts. The fact is that only the regulator can decree that portability be charged for. There are places where no no fees are charged at all for porting your number from one network to another. Of course, there are also places where a fee is charged.
Number portability is not about re-routing calls from one network to another (that's call forwarding). Number porting is about "snapping" a number from one network and donating it to another. If the subscriber ceases to use the number, it reverts to the donor network.
No; number portability is not a premium service. A country may choose to make it so or not. It is a question of choice. Where portability is implemented, there is usually also a law preventing a network from refusing to port a subscriber's number to another network.
Do a Google search for news item and articles on number portability if you please.
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Posted by adrusa
On 2007-08-30 17:45:16, ambyzown wrote:
@aya: it is my understanding that the 0802 number prefix is exclusively for the celtel mobile network and so if i originate a call from any network to an 0802 number my host exchange automatically routes the call to a celtel switch. now assume that this 0802 number has been ported to glo, are you telling me that celtel will allow its switch to reroute this call to a glo switching station for free? no way! number portability is a premium service, and you will be made to pay for it.
I dont think there is anything hard and fast about these numbers. I dont even think it involves much technology to enable number portability. What makes 080212345678 a celtel number? Because celtel provisioned it on its network and flagged it as its own.
Have you ever heard MTN telling you a number that you called is wrong and you should check it, when you are CERTAIN that the number is correct?! Have you ever heard GLO telling you that a certain number does not exist on glo network?
May be instead of glo's robot reading the first 4 figures to know this is glo's number, it will need to read all the numbers. That is about what it entails.
As per whether, the networks will charge for it, your guess is as good as mine. But I'm sure people wont mind.
Posted by adeprince
Aya Spot on!
In what ever case ,number porting will only be allowed when you have ran the span of your contract .in other words out of contract.
Posted by ambyzown
aya you need to read up on the technicalities involved in routing calls to ported numbers. the donor network is still involved in ensuring calls to ported numbers are completed. this occurs when a call to a ported number is initiated. the donor networks local switch still has to identify the number as ported and supply info to the query and reroutes the call to the receiving network's switch
I think I'm old enough to know the difference b/w call forwarding & number porting. The former is a one-way service.
Posted by OluYom
amby, technicalities notwithstanding, it changes not the fact that the issue of charges for porting is dependent on the regulator. In places where porting has been implemented, we see where there are no charges and we see where fees are charged.
We can only wait to see what direction the NCC will take in our own case.
Posted by abubakar
I gotta agree with the majority today. The number were just allocated that way to enhance clarity and avoid mistaken duplicated numbers. But if is totally possible to even bring in the Unity PTOs and u might see 0803 on a multilinks number!!
Snapped this with my P990i at day break in Maiduguri and just had to share!!
Posted by abubakar
@aya: hear is a task!! how do you configure the bluetooth internet PAN on your phone and computer so that when my computer is online i can browse, get mail etc on my phone via it?
any buyers? anyone?
Posted by pxthomas
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Posted by coolapostle
On 2007-09-01 02:23:49, AYA wrote:
In places where porting has been implemented, we see where there are no charges and we see where fees are charged.
We can only wait to see what direction the NCC will take in our own case.
This is the time Guys like Brix need to make an entrance. I think number portability is near two years old in ZA.
By the way, what "problem" is the NCC trying to solve with this number portability issue? Are Nigerian subs complaining about CHOICE? I have FOUR GSM SIM cards for heaven sakes!
I think Engr Ndukwe just wanted to make a landmark statement to celebrate the 4th Year of the NCC Consumer Paliarment. Something earth-shaking like Soludo's brilliant naira redom idea.
What we need is the power sector to be fixed so that the Telcos would stop giving us excuses for keeping tariffs high.
What we need is broadband net access EVERYWHERE in the major cities.
What we need is NIGCOMSAT privatised and given a Telecoms license ASAP so that we can see how they perform.
Posted by OluYom
On 2007-09-02 01:34:13, abubakar wrote:
@aya: hear is a task!! how do you configure the bluetooth internet PAN on your phone and computer so that when my computer is online i can browse, get mail etc on my phone via it?
Tried it a few times, but never got it to work. Sorry. I eventually got tired of trying and threw away the idea.
On 2007-09-02 01:34:13, abubakar wrote:
any buyers? anyone?
Buyers for what?
Posted by Demmy
@coola, i totally agree with ur submissions
Posted by brix25
@coola: You might want to read this bit from MTN's South African website about number porting. AFAIK there aren't any fees involved. For obvious reasons you won't be able to change your network when you're in the middle of contract with your current provider.
Posted by Areafada
Nice picture Abu, is the tree behinde your house because i can see the egde of a roof of a house. cause it could provide shed from the hot sun.
Posted by adrusa
Reltel is experimenting with Ibadan as tney currently operate an off-on network. I'm wondering if anybody here can give me their short codes for balance inquiry etc? Do they have an IVR like MTN's 180/181? What is their customers service number?
Meanwhile,I visited their website! I think it is a disgrace, no info whatsoever? The CEO of that company must be smoking an excessive amount of the wrong weeds!
Posted by Angelgirl
@adrusa, Reltel's short codes for balance enquiry is 222, follow the voice prompt or dial *333* and wait for a text message, for customer care dial 111.
Posted by coolapostle
On 2007-09-09 02:28:00, adrusa wrote:
Meanwhile,I visited their website! I think it is a disgrace, no info whatsoever?
Typical of almost all Telco websites. Glo changes their site ONCE a year. The best is MTN and (these days) Celtel.
Posted by brym!
To Abu and other UIQ3 device owners:
There is a new user interface launcher called GDesk. It is an alternative program launcher and it rocks!!
I installed it on my W950 and in less than 45 minutes I configured two pages to launch my apps.
Go to My Symbian UIQ3 forum for details and download link.
Posted by coolapostle
A woman had been sitting by her sick husband's bed, watching and praying for his recovery but he continued to get worse and she continued to loose hope. After some days, the man was so weak, he cud barely move any part of him.The local doctor came around and announced to her that her husband was dead. Ofcourse, she screamed and wept bitterly but the supposedly dead husband, on hearing that, summoned enough strength to speak and told his wife: 'Darling don't mind him, I'm not dead yet'. She replied' shut up. Do you know better than the doctor?
Posted by abubakar
@brym: i will try to check it out. But i dont get the buzz abt the launcher. Is it some kinda short cut or what? I will give you my report.
P990 UPDATE
I have officially gone into the bug zone. After loading enough apps, filling my mem card with music and running multiple apps simultaneously, i get a few sys freeze and complaints of low mem. Good news is that the fake 128M mem card i bought last year works on it. Just had to reformat. Pity the price i got it then could have gotten me a 2 gig today. But at least it wasnt a total waste!
Posted by 234hay
@ all: hallo.how much does a Nokia 6300 cost?
Posted by ambyzown
@brym: this alternative apps launcher for uiq3 u talked about, what are its benefits over the traditional built-in launcher?
Since u successfully installed it on ur w950i l guess it will work on m600i.
@Coola: nice one
Posted by brym!
@amby: Yes, it works with the m600i. With Gdesk u can place more than 20 programs on the standby screen with links to the folders. This saves you so many taps to get to a program or application.
Apart from the P1, other uiq3 touch screen devices have just five applications on the default launcher.
Besides you can customize it to your taste.
Posted by 234hay
@ all: more help please. How much do micro sd cards cost? I would want information on 256mb-512mb.
Also,what is the memory card limit on a Motorla L7...acknowledge
Posted by abubakar
Do those micro SD cards come in 256Mb? Thot they were all 512+!!!
Posted by 234hay
@ abubakar: not so sure i'm making the inquiry for a friend
Posted by pxthomas
@abu... 256 microSD memory card is available
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Posted by coolapostle
From wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_number_portability
Local number portability, (LNP) for fixed lines, and full mobile number portability (FMNP), for mobile phone lines, refers to the ability to transfer either an existing fixed-line or mobile telephone number assigned by a local exchange carrier (LEC) and reassign it to another carrier. In most cases, there are limitations to transferability with regards to geography, service area coverage and technology.
Most cellular telephone companies will charge for this conversion as a regulatory cost recovery fee.
In number portability the “donor network” provides the number and the “recipient network” accepts the number. The operation of donating a number requires that a number is “snapped out” from a network and “snapped into” the receiving network. If the subscriber ceases to need the number then it is normal that the original donor receives the number back and “snaps back” the number to its network. The situation is slightly more complex if the user leaves the first operator for a second and then subsequently elects to use a third operator. In this case the second operator will return the number to the first and then it is assigned to the third.
When a provider receives a request to port a telephone number from a new customer, that provider sends an industry-standard LSR (Local Service Request) to the existing (or "old") provider. When the Old Provider receives this request, it sends back FOC (Firm Order Confirmation) and the 5-day max process of porting the number begins. Either provider can initiate the port using a SOA or LSOA (Service Order Activator) which directly edits the NPAC database mentioned before. If the new provider initiates the port, it is called a "pull," and if the old provider initiates, it is a "push." Once the number is pulled or pushed, the new provider must "activate" the number using the LRN of the switch serving the customer. At the point this is completed, the number is ported.
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Posted by ambyzown
Thanks Brym for the tip on Gdesk, it really is an awesome application and I'm loving it. My m600 now looks like one them blackberrys
Abu you seriously need to try this.
@234hay: 256mb microsd card sells for N2700 while 512mb is N3500
Posted by brym!
@amby: Glad you liked it too. I see you went back to pick the m600, comfortable with the keys now? The good predictive text of the W950 is helping me out with text input; the flushed keypad and the small virtual keyboard are terrible. But I'm crazy about the 4 gig memory and dedicated walkman. And opera mini rocks on it too than on my windows mobile. For Pocket PC owners: try out freestyl launcher from http://www.whoneedsaniphone.com you'll love it.
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Posted by ambyzown
Yeah Brym I went back for the m600. Smartphones are like drugs one taste and you're hooked. I'm getting over my initial grouse with the phone and the handwriting recognition plus predictive text makes life easy.
Spot on! Opera mini on this phone rocks.
Posted by abubakar
How big is this GDesk? I keep forgetting to try downloading when i am online with my laptop. Gone are the days of reckless phone downloads via awoof gprs.
P990 UPDATE
The predictive text is really good. Sometimes its actually scary. Especially when it predicts the next word im about to type. Phrases i have never used on the phone with thousands of alternative combinations get widdled down to just the phrase i was thinking. This na white man jazz!
Still having difficulty getting the update server to update on my PC. But if i dont run too many simultaneous apps, my phone is fine.
Posted by mamba
All you P series people na wa o!
Upon all the grumbling and cries of people about P series non-reliability, you guys still risked your necks and bought it.
Now I know what it means to be a brand loyalist.
Posted by brym!
@mamba:
On 2007-08-22 21:34:15, brym! wrote:
@area & pxt: I beg make una lef abu alone. Just as you guys are Nokia freaks so also are abu and amby. Someone has to keep the SE flag flying here.
I will consider the W950 inspite of the bugs, virus, mosquitoes, bacteria and HIV in it.
Surprisingly my W950 is very stable, only one crash so far, it came with the latest firmware.
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Posted by mamba
I heard that its slower than the p910 and can't multitask as good as p910.
Do you miss the call and drop button?
How convenient is 1 handed operation when making calls and SMS?
What about the lack of camera in a high end phone?
The keypad is just terrible for me (both M600 and W950)
Posted by brym!
On 2007-09-18 01:19:47, mamba wrote:
I heard that its slower than the p910 and can't multitask as good as p910.
Well, I've not realy used the P910 so I'll leave that to amby and abu to answer.
Do you miss the call and drop button.
Nope! No big deal to any WM touchscreen user. Most often I call from my contact list by finger taps.
How convenient is 1 handed operation when making calls and SMS?
No problem with calls as stated above. Data input like long SMS and mails are rather tedious with the W950 because the flush keypad is not very responsive. Also The virtual keyboard is too small. The excellent predictive text feature helps a lot.
What about the lack of camera in a high end phone?
I don't miss that. I can't remember how many pictures I snapped with my HTC devices...too few.
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Posted by ambyzown
@Mamba: For a phone that costs just N30k the M600i is an excellent buy. I use handwriting recognition for inputing text (which is as good as scribbling on a piece of paper) plus the phones ability to complete my word for me after the first three letters and even suggest the next word automatically, makes text input a breeze.
I haven't had a crash since I got the phone, apart from when I installed an incompatible Java software and the phone froze while attempting to run the application.
I do not miss the camera as I still have the W810i.
Compared with the P910i? M600i comes out tops when it comes to multitasking and hence speed.
I can tell you this cos I currently have both phones. Agreed, P910 loads applications faster when launched for the first time, but afterwards, they both open at the same rate but you can tell the M600 is faster when you have to switch between applications or when sending text messages.
I can't wait for the W960i
Posted by Areafada
@all, this talk about SE is boring, can we change topic and talk about Nokia the best fone by far?
Posted by brym!
@Area: Haba! Go ahead with your Nokia discussions, anybody stop you?
?@amby: Gdesk v.12 is out though with minimal changes.
Got some good freeware sites to link me to? www.uiqv3.com has not been updated for a while now.
Posted by coolapostle
Can anyone predict when we can get a Walkman phone for 15k in Naija?
Posted by brym!
@coola: The low-end W series should be in the 15k category.
Just confirmed that W200 is N15,200 while W300=19,000. Lagos prices.
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Posted by abubakar
@area: Im still waiting for the "lively" nokia gist.
coola, im sure enough stolen w series phones are in the market for -15k. buyers beware.
Posted by Areafada
@Abubakar,
I was comparing my N95 with my friend's E90, i noticed the my N95's 5 megapixel camera is way way better than the E90's
Also My N95 has a headfone/loudspeaker/mic jack, which was not available on the E90
Damn this Nokia People, i'm seriously considering not buying the E90. they dont put everthing u need into one fone.
Posted by abubakar
@area: Interesting.
But seriously, u cant get the whole packege. My P990 I would say for services here in Naija is complete.... but it is very bulky. I have considered removing the front flap to steamline it a bit.