Posted by Nitro Fan
My Business partner is a confirmed Nokia fan but my recent experience has shown me just how far behind SE the Nokia software is!
The guy has a Nokia 6600 and upgraded to a Nokia 7610 so he wanted to transfer all his contacts between the two devices,
Congratulations Nokia, after much reading of both manuals I found it is actually impossible to do a bulk transfer of your contacts between the two devices using BT or Ir, you have to either; copy them all to the SIM (impossible as there were too many for the SIM) or move them one by one, how pathetic is that!
The only way I could see to do it is to have both devices synchronised with a pc running MS Outlook, which in this case was impossible as his PC has no IR port or BT Dongle for the 6600 (the 7610 comes with synch lead)
As these are both devices aimed at people who will use the PDA function, surely even Nokia must have figured out that at some time people will want to change or upgrade their phone. In addition, by doing so, may just want to transfer all their data? It made me quite smug when I showed him how I could transfer all my contacts from P60 to P900 in one simple action using BT
Moral of the story is simply Sony Ericsson build a better phone.
Posted by shyam335
Good moral ;-)
Posted by vineet_d
Very true dude, only sony ericsson makes good phones, nokia's always have limitations in their phones.
Posted by *Jojo*
From now till the very distant future . . . it will still be a close fight between Nokia and SE fones mates!
Posted by 701
Did ur friend try to post in a Nokia forum to find solutions?It might not be possible thru bt but if u buy a cable and use a Nokia program,then u can do it.I know, it's more expensive, a lot of hassle and a shame for a ''smart''phone and a brand that call themselves professionals. That's the reason i never buy this brand.
Posted by oliblurr
i think your frend doesnt know how to use the nokia suite..i have used it and it was as simple as 1..2..3
Posted by carlcarlson
yeah. the cable is include in the pack for the 7610. or at least he should have got it
Posted by anonymous1
Its a piss easy process to do using BT, or a data cable. And not to sound funny but whats the point of having such a functional phone if you don't have a way to connect it to your computer (BT, IR, data cable)? To really get the most out of the symbain based Nokias you really NEED to have connectivtiy to your PC. I had no problems transfering contacts from my 6600 to my current Nokia. Its a shame people slate Nokia on these forums. I'm a fan of both companies.
Posted by Residentevil
Did you tell him to burry his No Kia in the backyard and buy
Posted by d_a_r_k_n_e_z_z
it's not pathetic for just get a cheap generic data cable and a nokia data suite software which you can download almost anywhere. you can store a lot of contacts in a sim card if you have a 64k sim that can hold up to 500 entries or more. most cellphone service providers in asia have been using that sim for years now.
cingular and att wireless will be having the 64k sim when their merger is complete.
Posted by Mrb 18
So you first have to transfer it to the computer and then to the new phone??? That is so stupid, i knew Nokias are stupid phones but not that stupid
What is the use of bluetooth if it's not fully functional??
Posted by Nitro Fan
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Hi 701 I am sure you are correct and I thank you for pointing it out, but I was making the point that us SE users can do what is a basic requirement for any user for free and with no effort!
Whilst Nokia make it a task you cannot complete without spending loads of money and wasting valuable time
Cost of task with se $0
Cost of task with Nokia
Cable $10?
PC $1000?
Time $ who knows?
verdict = No Contest SE make better Phones
Posted by Nitro Fan
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Er well firstly you asume a lot! Who said the guy had a pc when he bought the phone? Who said it was his choice of phone? perhaps it was bought for him as he did not have a PC and someone thought it was simple way for him to get email and do a little surfing? I completly agree with you that you need a PC to get the best out of the Symbian Nokias! but why should such a basic task as doing a bulk transfer from one device to another require a PC? I do not need one to do it on my T610 I would love to hear how you do a bulk transfer of contacts between a 6600 and a 7610 using just BT, I read both manuals and could find no reference to it and not a single menu option to allow it to take place so please educate me as I would hate to be guilty of doing a fine company such as Nokia an injustice
Posted by Nitro Fan
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Yes but you are missing the point! we are back to "buy a cable" "buy a 64k SIM" "download the data suite" "buy a PC" I say pathetic because I can do the same "simple" task for nothing using a basic T160 and Bluetooth! "simple" I rest my case.
ps the words below are your choice and makes my case even better than I can!
something that is complex and sophisticated is not always the best and reliable. what is simple is better.
-mikhail kalashnikov
creator AK-47 assault rifle
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Posted by 701
Agreed!
Posted by orol
hm if nokia phones are dumb? what about that superb features like 510 phone numbers (not contacts), searching throught the contact with one letter? what a pleasure, ehm repeating events, hm hm what's that good for? "my friends" over wap gprs profile, why not?
and one can store up to 6 notes on the phone, wow, what an advantage
p.s. he should use nokia content copier
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Posted by Nitro Fan
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Or he could buy a Sony Ericson T610 or P900 and do it with the inbuilt free of charge systems that come as standard with SE phones couldnt he!!!! :-0 the question is not "if" it's "why" surely! :-0
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Posted by d_a_r_k_n_e_z_z
@nitro fan
well using a cable is plain and simple to me and if you are living in asia a nokia cable there just cost brit pennies and the data suite cd comes with it. i really don't like using BT which is high tech, only IR which to me is better. i do not use it especially when i am outdoors for my phone may contract a virus. a friend of mine's 3650 got a virus for he always has his BT on.
oh well why bother when i gave my t616 to my wife and i downgraded to a mid class LG phone which is bug free. i love this phone... off to howard forums now.
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Posted by mib1800
are u gonna copy entire phonebook everyday? don't think so. Just connect your cable and copy. so what is the big issue?
but SE limitation of 500 numbers and searching by single character (basic functionality which u use everyday) - this is what i call major deficiencies.
Posted by Nitro Fan
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I see no limit to 500 numbers on my P900 in fact I have over 500 contacts most of which have at least three numbers so lets say I have some 1200 numbers in my P900! I can search all 500 plus contacts using multiple characters or any criteria I can write in multiple fields!
Yet as a Sony Ericsson P900 owner I still do not have to resort to using a PC to perform such a basic function as moving all contacts from one phone to another no matter how frequently or infrequently I choose to do it!
So please, please, please show me how it is easier / more superior with a Nokia?
I have no hatred of Nokia phones indeed I have been for many years a happy Nokia owner and still use an 8210 as my pub phone (nice and small and simple to use when drunk!)
I simply pointed out what is clearly a glaring error in the functionality of the software used in the 6600 & 7160 symbian phones Nokia produce and I stand by the claim it is pathetic that a company such as Nokia ruin was is an “OK” device by such a glaring omission as bulk contact transfer without the need for a PC, lets also not forget this is a forum populated mainly by SE fans and as such Nokia are unlikely to get as warm a reception when their offerings are flawed.
Posted by Nitro Fan
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I wish you well and hope you have a more consistent view on "simplicity" there, I do not view Cable PC and Data Suite as "simplicity" but perhaps the word has a different meaning in Asia!
Posted by mib1800
to nitro fan :
i'm refering to SE non-smartphone which has 500 contacts and search limitation.
if u r refering to P900, then SE should shoot themselves if it does not support this as the P900 cost something like 2 to 3 times the price of 6600.
imo, u r nit-picking. u can send one contact at a time thru BT with 7610/6600 which should be sufficient for normal business card exchange.
like i said before, how often do u transfer entire phonebook?
if u really need this capability then u can get the SmartVcard software which allow u to transfer using BT your entire phonebook/calendar.
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Posted by d_a_r_k_n_e_z_z
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to me mate that is plain and simple insted of using BT. just like connecting the charger to my phone. so long!
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Posted by lam7r
in my honest opinion this debate has decended into major nit picking, picking on the slightest thing to discredit the nokia 6600 etc.
Both companies are not perfect, SE may have a feature to enable sending who phonebooks (one that i am sure we all use everyday (sarcasm). But nokia have benifits too. I am sure your friend will be much happier than u when it comes to get more software for the phone. Even the P900 has a very poor amount of software developed for it. S60 phones however have an abundance of apps available.
When you compare the 6600 to a SE phone in the same price bracket like the T630 or even K700i there really is no contest. One is a smartphone using S60 op system and the other is a phone trying to be smart (K700i got a better cam than 6600 granted).
I am a fan of SE, and have T630, K700i and P900 but even i can see that the 6600 is a decent phone and is my current phone along with the P900. S60 op system is just the thing most companies etc are concentrating on, and with SE bringing out phones like P910 then nokia and the S60 are getting the advantage.
In closing i dont think u can compare the likes of the 6600 with the T630's etc. Also price wise u couldnt compare to a Pxxx. Face it SE dont have anything to rival the adaptability of the S60 devices at the same price.
I wish we could stop nit picking and slagging off other brands. Why bother with "Blokia sucks etc" half the time its just coz u own SE and not nokia. Nokia people are the same. The sensible ones out there will use both and get a phone that suits there needs.
Rant Over. Hope your all ok
Posted by Nitro Fan
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I think my original point was quite clear I was pointing out that to upgrade from one "Nokia smart phone 6600" to another "nokia smartphone 7610" it is impossible to transfer all the contacts in one go via BT. In my opinion that is an oversight by Nokia, that was all!
I expect my P900 to do all this of course but that is why I spent a ggod deal of time deciding what my requirement for a phone was before rushing out and buy the first offering my favourite manufacturer threw at me without question!
But to try and tell me installing two loads sw buying an additional lead and sysnchronising tow devices witha pc is simpler than sitting on the sofa and being able to move all my contacts from my old phone to my new one in one simple easy action is clearly rubbish! nit picking ? I think not but please prove me wrong if it means that much to you all you will have a hard time convincing me though guys!
Posted by lam7r
i didnt mean to offend m8, just these things always turn into a lets slag off other phones debate.
In answer to your question i think it is a minor oversight by nokia yes but not one that bothers many people imho.
The easiest way i know of transfering all contacts would be to use something like this contacts manage app http://personal.inet.fi/private/riihimaki/s60/pbktrans.html
Its freeware so there is no cost involved and it works over BT so no need for a cable.
Let me know if this helps
Posted by mustu
ok people well to tell you you cant connect a 6600 to a freakin calbe.Its has to be done via bluetooth so there we go a first set back.
Posted by ppcrockar
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Hmm... not true.. SE & Ericsson phones have the possiblity to search with more than one letter in the phonebook and has had that for a long time. To state otherwise is pure lies. Just go to the phonebook and select call contact... you can enter as many chars as you want.
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Posted by Nitro Fan
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@lam7r
Hi Mate hi and I was not trying to have a go at you either, thanks for the link I was I had asked at the time instead of watching my Bus Partner wasting 3 hours copying all his contacts across one by one! but as his new phone has a data cable I have synched him with outlook so will not be a problem in future! I hope ! People seem to take any kind critisium of "their " brand very personally as long as they feel this way the munufacturers can run rings around them I only buy on features and if anyone other tha SE offers a better package for me in the future I will spend my money with them but at the moment SE seem to give me just what I want! Well done SE!
Posted by mib1800
nitrofan:
agreed with u here to a point. most people would be defensive on issues related to what they owned. however, i disagreed with your over-the-top topic heading (a.k.a bashing for sake of bashing)
The issue here is not that it cannot do the function you want but just not in the way u want. Furthermore, it is a one function that most people would not need on a daily basis.
i give you one example in which your kind of topic heading is justifiable ==> the exclusion of T9 text input in SE P800.
Posted by blackspot
Those are the things that Nokia tried to hide behind the cosmetics and fancy features that they load into their new phones. Some people are too blinded by the nice little features that Nokia flashes in their adverts and fail to recognize more practical matters. In the end though it's still meeting your needs that matters, brand is irrelevant IMO.
Posted by mib1800
talk about advert!!. have u seen the SE advert touting the K700 as mp3 player? i couldnt stop laughing.
Posted by blackspot
yeah i know what you mean... It's really funny if you don't understand it
Posted by mib1800
cheers to you too... even though i dont get what u mean.
Posted by boto43
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he only way I could see to do it is to have both devices synchronised with a pc running MS Outlook, which in this case was impossible as his PC has no IR port or BT Dongle for the 6600 (the 7610 comes with synch lead) |
I think easy help for that :
just to buy
or irda dongle.Not so big problem to be mentioned here.
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Posted by jomni1
RE: transfering contacts when upgrading phones...
What I don't like about nokia is their lack of connectivity options that come with the basic package. The P8 and P9 came with a cradle that lets you synchronize your phone. I used the P800 before. In my case, when I bought the 6600, there's no cable or cradle. You have to buy it separately. Good thing i already have an IR device. The s60 is supposed to be PDA-like and flexible (possiblity of 3rd party software) Nokia should expect that people need someting to connect it with a computer. But they did not include it in the package. Good thing they did in the 7610.
I have no problems with the Nokia Suite. It does the synchronizing process effectively. It's just bad that Nokia didn't include a sync cable in the package. I guess it's a marketing ploy so that we spend a little more buying the cables. But 3rd party generic cables are available and are qutie cheap so there's no real fuss about it.
Sending thru BT is actually the last thing in my mind when I bought my 6600. I know there's an outlook sync software included and my investment in an IR device for my PC payed off (since i can use it with my next phone... whatever the brand).
Posted by kenzoden
We've been through this issue countless times and this won't be the last.
There are always advantages and disadvantages between different phones and brands. Just a matter of whether they have the features to do what the user requires. Doesn't mean it doesn't do what the user wants, makes it a bad phone. It's probably just not the right phone to suit the user's needs.
It's important to do some homework and research on a phone you're keen on before buying them. After all, it's a significant investment.
Posted by Nitro Fan
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Ehh I do not see my heading was over the top at all, rather it is a statement of fact! The plain and simple truth is I had to waste three plus hours of IMHO very valuable time! to perform a task I could have performed in one very qick simple operation on an SE phone!
Please explain to me how that constitutes "bashing for sake of bashing" facts are facts and cannot be changed no matter what slant you put on them, I do appreciate some people buy on brand loyalty or what they consider to be "cool" only, I however buy on functionality, and take time to research the functionality of any device before I part with my cash, this means I am not so defensive of my devices faults as I know what I am getting before I spend my hard earned cash.
I am beginning to wish I had not bothered to share my experience with the Nokia product with this particular section of Esato my motive was to make others aware of the undeniable shortcomming of the 6600 in that particular area but others seem to have a much narrower view of things.
Pointing to completely unrelated facts such as the unavailability of T9 input on the P800 (I agree totaly this was an oversight by SE given the phone was aimed at people on the move! Indee despite much research on the P800 when it was launched I had to return mine after 6 weeks as it was so bug ridden it simply was of no use to me) is of little relevence to this particular debate IMHO
Posted by mib1800
@nitrofan
if ur friend has been using the 6600, then ur friend would be unlikely to not have used the PC suite before. And ur friend would have known there is an utility in PC Suite to transfer the contacts easily. This "horrible" experience should not even have surfaced in the first place.
suffice to say, if a person is as unfamiliar in using the P900 as ur friend is in using the 6600, then most probably this person would also have spend hours transfering contacts to P900. so in this case would u use the label "Horrible P900 to Pxxx Experience". I doubt so because u r an owner of a P900.
Posted by *Jojo*
And I've had a horrible experience buying a Nokia 7610 to an SE K700i back then . . .
Posted by Nitro Fan
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Hello again if you read the thread you may just find that the guy did not then have a pc! I still stick to my original point I was merely pointing out that transfering all contacts from a 6600 to another Nokia device was a difficult process without the additional cost of a PC (are they free of charge where you are?
where as it can be acomplished in a single action using a SE "T"series or "P"series you do not need to be very familiar with these devices as they are standard menu items! try looking at one, I am sure you would be able to acomplish it within minutes even if your unfamiliar with SE devices
Posted by Nitro Fan
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@kenzoden Hi there I think you have put your point very well but logic will never triumph over the "diehard enthusiasts" vision of their chosen brand.
They will use any kind of argument to defend their favourite's offering logic and fact will have little place in their argument as they use the traditional "Ah yes but" defence in the face of any logical debate!
Facts are facts you simply cannot claim a device can do what it cannot do, if it dont do it, it dont do it period! no matter how many variables and "Ah yes but's" you throw in
Posted by imran_soorya
i suggest we can backup the phone memory on the memory card and then restore it on the other phone
Posted by hugh_lee
i'm not sure why you'd have to spend hours transferring your contacts. i recently transferred contacts from my lowly 5210 to a 6600.i transferd contacts to my sim first, all that the sim could handle, about 250, then transferred the sim to the 6600 and copied sim directory to the phone memory.i had to do it twice but certainly i didnt hve to spend three hours as one of you posted, and most certainly i didnt have to use a cable much more a PC. i dont know if transferring contacts from a 6600 to a 7610 is a different thing, but i checked and you could choose the "mark all" option, then transfer to sim directory. easy, if that was what your friend was trying to do.
oh, and to the 'happy P900 user', i,m sorry but not all of us can afford the P900.maybe you should have advised your friend to get the P900..if he could afford it, of course.
Posted by The Iron Lung
It only takes a second to trensfer a contact on BT anyway/
Posted by marlonxp
Nokia sucks when it comes to connectivity.