The @axxxr, @patrick, @anish and now @batesie fight thread!

On 2004-07-26 17:58:15, whizkidd wrote:
Lol when is this one gonna be locked?

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On 2004-07-26 14:26:45, axxxr wrote: TURBANATOR pic is RACIST and offensive to a lot of muslims and sikhs alike, who in both faiths wear Turbans as a religious symbol.You may find this funny but i certainly don't..You have again proven yourself to be racist as is your republican stance on Islam.

Well Axxxr ... I, in all honesty, cannot deny that from time to time I have used stereotypes about the perceived race of an individual to come to a premature and incorrect conclusion about them. It isn't right and it is a trait I try hard to face about myself and not repeat. I have made mistakes in the past about being a real racist. As I continue to talk to people and break down the negative stereotypes I've once believed in the racism I've had in me becomes weaker and weaker.

I've noticed that many people throw around the word racist to label and marginalize people they don't want to have to listen to. It is an ugly thing to call someone and it is a serious accusation. I wouldn't blame you if you felt upset or even rage if someone unfairly called you a racist in public.

But about the Turbanator poster. Is it racist? Let's see. What race wears the Turban? Is the turban a symbol of any particular race? What is "Race"?

race n.

1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
   
2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
   
3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
   
4. Humans considered as a group.

Honestly people ... think about this one before jumping to a conclusion.

Being offensive isn't necessarily being racist.

Being racist is always offensive.

rac·ism n.

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
   
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Was there any prejudice or discrimination in this poster directed at a race? Or is it directed more at a symbol of a particular religion? Does disagreement - or even hatred of a particular religion - count as racism? I think to hate all people perceived to be of a particular religion or who are perceived to adhere to a particular cultural practice is bigoted - don't you think? Honestly ... help me on this. I sincerely want to learn this. I'm open to know if I've been misunderstanding this.

And if I'm wright - and the picture is bigoted ... does it make me bigoted to post it? Who does it show? When you look at it, tell me if it makes G.W. Bush look good or bad. I'm going to venture a guess. Many of you think it shows G.W. Bush in a poor light - yes? I just happen to agree. I saw it and laughed. It, I believe, is critical of Bush ... not pro. SO ... if you posted a picture that tended to show someone as a bigot - does that make you a bigot or racist?

So - back to the ugly slurs people throw at each other. Although I deal with the racism I've grown up with all the time ... and although I know I have lots to learn ... I am not as toxic a racist as Axxxr has accused me of being.

I suspect Axxxr is just unwilling to discuss the real issues in a real head on debate. Many may not agree with my positions - but I promise I will not label you in order to get people to marginalize what you say or to try to stop you from expressing your arguments. But I will make a good argument for my side of the debate.

P.S. - I'm not Christian and I know far too little about Islam to judge it in any way at this time.
P.S.S. - But if I did know enough about it to have an opinion on it - that still wouldn't make me a racist - EVEN if I didn't agree with any part of it at all.

On 2004-07-26 18:03:23, axxxr wrote:
You told me that you were a college proffessor..LIAR!!

On 2004-07-26 18:24:50, axxxr wrote:
My point is that that bush has a nazi connections from the past..so racism runs in his bloodline.

On 2004-07-26 18:30:16, axxxr wrote:
Patric if jewish skull caps were refered in the turbanator pic..you and many would lable me as anti-semetic.don't u agree?..because turbans were mentioned nobody said a thing!

On 2004-07-26 18:30:57, Sammy_boy wrote:
@patrick - I think @axxxr was bein sarcastic, I don't think he was really calling you a liar. If he was, then that's below the belt!

On 2004-07-26 18:35:35, axxxr wrote:
Correct referee i was being sarcastic! ..but having said that patrick if your remember correctly when you first introduced yourself you said something about being a college prof..i cant find that post now!

On 2004-07-26 18:39:35, axxxr wrote:
I may have called u some pretty names maybe coz of your stance towards the issue of bush being a good president.

On 2004-07-26 19:16:00, batesie wrote:
no because open minded people would of realised how it would be percieved. ANYWAY, i have been anti-bush since before he was in power, because Exxon mobil (Esso) quietly gave $4million dollars to bush before he was elected. for bush to drop out of the Kyoto Treaty not long afterwards. even Korea has signed the treaty! and as the US of A creates almost 50% of the worlds pollution, its a growing concern to many people.

On 2004-07-26 19:29:56, anish wrote:
Refree I would like axxxr to come up with evidence to support his allegation (in the other threads) that I am hiding behind forums. And also if he don't have any evidence to corroborate the I would like hime to withdraw the allegation and appologise

On 2004-07-26 19:55:11, Sammy_boy wrote:
@patrick - that's a bit short sighted off you re. the environment! We might be OK, but just think what the worlds going to be like in 50 years or so! We all seem to be so obsessed with our own insignificant lives that we cannot see the bigger picture. I would have thought a few years of the economy being a little less perky than usual would be a small price to pay for a cleaner planet (assuming we don't all blow ourselves up in pointless wars, that is! )

I've heard many times that the envoronmental problems we're storing up are much worse than anything Bin Laden and Co. could throw at us (Sorry, don't know where in particular that came from though!), so we should really wake up and smell the pollution.

Edit: And I hasten to add, I know it's not easy - I tend to take my car when really I should be walking or taking my bike.....
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[ This Message was edited by: Sammy_boy on 2004-07-26 18:58 ]

My discussions are over with you anish!...there's no need to argue about the same thing in different threads.And you like me to appologise to you...how about keep dreaming.