Posted by wapchimp
Below I posted a fake to test the reactions of members on the forums.
My little experiment seems to have worked.
## I feel dissapointed that esato has so many small minded members. I wish I could pick and choose who was here. But hey, I live in a democracy, so can tolerate other peoples opinions. The original thread SUBJECT was utter crap I admit, (except for the se vs nokia bit) but you guys who have posted crap, will gain no respect from anyone with your lame comments. ##
Ok. se & Nokia have announced a joint venture to develope a new handset. It specs are:
battery life:
- talk time 2.5 hours
- standby 8.3 days
weight: 80g
features:
- colour screen 65,000
- tri band
- pop3 email
- GPRS
- Java capable
- polyphonic ring tones
- predictive text input
- vibrating alert
- wallpapers
- wap 2
Both phones are made in china in the same factory. Both handset have identical u.i/menu's. Both will cost the same and look something like this:
The test is; which one is better and why?
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[ This Message was edited by: orangeman on 2004-07-08 09:56 ]
Posted by joebmc
There both sh*t compaired to the k700
Posted by wapchimp
or 6600
Posted by MikLSP
I can't see the picture! I'm sick&tired of this Login to view the pic thing cos it doesn't work!!
So for now I believe this story is not true!
Posted by DungeonMaster
I think that the k700 is the best non smartphone handset available.
Posted by joebmc
But would'nt it be great if they did make a phone to gether!
It would stop a lot of bitching (maybe even bring world peace
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Posted by Krubach
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None is better than the other one.
What's the point of this question!?!??!
It's like asking which one weighs more 1Kg of lead or 1Kg of cotton.
Posted by joebmc
Would the nokia one brake down first or would the se one need loads of firmware upgrades to fix "bugs".
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Posted by MikLSP
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"bigs"!?
Surely u mean "bugs"! 
Posted by riflogic
That simply can't be true
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Posted by Del
If they are to use the same UI in both phones will nokia implement full ir and bt or will se cripple thier ir and bt ?
By the way the nice photoshop pics
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Posted by MikLSP
I still can't see them & still don't believe it either!
Posted by MikLSP
I understand, this is a hypothetical question, right?
Posted by iyiinsan
Why? Can't they make the phones themselves?
Posted by MikLSP
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They do.
Posted by Krubach
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WHAAAAAAAAT?!?!?!? It's the worse photoshop job i've ever seen!
Posted by Del
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I know
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Posted by riflogic
exactly what I was thinking, a quick stint on the photoshop, results in crappy images. Atleast make the effort
Posted by wapchimp
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Well yeah it took me 2 mins to do. Thats not the point.
Posted by bacanito
For starters, those handsets are made (or extremely similar) to audiovox phones. God rest Se's soul if they have a contract with them to manufacture phones with the SE logo. I mean come on, audiovox is worst than Nokia!
The design is very much unlike what SE has shown us in the past, even to what Nokia has done...nice try though Orangeman
P.S. Thank for the Orange info the other day?
Posted by wapchimp
@bacanito - no probs mate.
Its an LG actually
Posted by bacanito
@ orangeman
yeah, Audiovox and LG were 2 of the biggest manufacturers for Bell Mobility, where I used to work
I don't know why I didn't think of LG though hehe
Posted by energetic
Well here is a combination mobile. Its really bad job but its my first time. Be good esatorians and tell me your opinion.
Posted by Elrond
@energetic Not bad for a first try. A P900 combined with K700. But it would be impossible 'cos the joystick. When you delete it and combine the colours it could be nice.
Posted by wapchimp
lets try not to lose track guys. This nokia & se thing is important
Posted by energetic
Well this is my opinion for SE and Nokia.
I believe that they are always in contact with each other when they are about to market their products.
For example take the P800 case. SE had this phone for an year and a half. In the meantime Nokia was marketing their mobiles. Then it was the P800 turn to hit the shelves. Then Nokia stood back by delay their mobiles etc etc.
What I mean is that SE and Nokia are arranging between them when they are going to release their phones in the market.
Posted by wapchimp
maybe. But business is business and it's usually head to head. It maybe because se lag behind nokia in volume of handsets released.
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Any why is that fellow Orangeman!?
BTW: They're both cr@p as they are plastered in Orange branding, so therefore there'll be loads of un-deleteable silly pictures and themes, and every other key will take you to Orange World.. great..
Posted by wapchimp
well the orange stuff was an example. But yes you are probably right in saying there is orange branding & shortcut keys built in
Posted by batesie
at that level, brought out at the same time, its a case of brand preference.
ps. i like the k900 pic!
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Posted by mixin
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Hope ye dont mind, but im bored at work, so improved it a bit
Posted by bacanito
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Quality, not quantity my friend
I believe that is one of the reasons that we all love SE...besides the fact that the product is of better quality, it has less circulation, not everyone has one...Especially true here in Canada (maybe diff in the UK, I was never there), I've seen only about 4-5 people with a p800 since it came out, and haven't seen a p900 besides @ the store yet...
I already sold many people here for SE because of these reasons, or they would've bought a Nokia or even worst, a Motorola! Or the LG you posted here!!!
Posted by luatdanh
I don't think this is TRUE.. and honestly I pray that they won't partner/joint or whatever
From a customer's perspective, competition means benefits for customers (that means "us") hehehe...
Besides, I love SE, and hate Nokia. Just wish they don't work together
Posted by Memzee
Four words:
"Big pile of bullshit"
I've never heard such rubbish in my life. orangeman, no offence, but you have too much time on your hands.
Posted by Leks
Se ownes the nokia one
Posted by wapchimp
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Nice I like it
Posted by nils7
I get his point!
The phones are fake obviously!
There is a anti-nokia atmosphere here.... almost each phone they present, you guys tear it apart. I don't gonna judge you guys on this...
But what he tries to ask if what you guys think which on of them is the better phone if Nokia and SE have a similar phone....
There are some factories (like Arima) who make phones for different manufacturers... some SE's and NEC's are made in the same factory.... so it is very likely that some phones will have alot more in common as you guys would like!
Also the Siemens ST55 is also not a 'real' Siemens.... it is made by another company but wears the Siemens brand....
Also the most famous one is HTC (known from the microsoft phones),
they make SPV E200 but also Qtek 8080 and 2020 and MDA2 etc.
And it is also possible that there are some models that are having different brand names on their shell.
Like Fiat Ulyssee and Citroen C8 or something... better: Siemens U15 and a motorola (dunno which one) and Sharp GX10 and again some moto!
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Posted by kasei
thats true guys
Posted by energetic
@batesie
Thank you very much.
@MixiN
Thanks for the modification and rectification as well. I have no idea how to use the photoshop... well to be honest I havent been bothered to learn it!
MixiN try to mix a SE phone with a Nokia phone...
Mutation........................ The new brand will be called SENOKIA.
Posted by wapchimp
Nils7. Yes you are correct. I dont expect to change attitudes or opinions but when some users post imature comments, it kinda gets on your nerves. Ive been on esato for 2 years and lately its been getting worse. So i started this to test peoples reactions.
Posted by energetic
Well since ESATO is a site dedicated to SE mobile phones it is very logical that many esatorians will judge Nokia or any other manufacturer in a very harsh way which I must say its wrong. However from my view I dont like Nokia for several reasons since I tried almost every manufacturers mobiles and didnt fit my standards.
For example I owned at the moment a SE, Panasonic and Sagem mobile and am quite happy with them.
But what I really like and admire from a manufacturer is to produce new products and am talking innovative products. I give all the credit to whoever does this.
The only thing that worries me is that I dont want to see at the end mobile companies to join forces and end up having a monopoly which is more likely to happen in the future.
History has proven that.
Posted by wapchimp
@Energetic - fair comments. I will post 2 links to threads here posted yesterday. Thats y i started this ;-)
Posted by jontyf
I do not use photoshop, I use microsoft image editor
I think it's very good
But these pictures are very nice
Posted by draak1
Orangeman i think you are become a Nokia man and try too say that Nokia is the best in differend words,atleast you try too say nice language.
Nils wrote"There is a anti-nokia atmosphere here.... almost each phone they present"
It is a fact that Blokia make crap phone's every year.
Esato is for SE fans not for Nokia fans,so get use too it.
Nokia fans think the same what SE fans think about Nokia fans.
[ This Message was edited by: draak1 on 2004-07-03 10:02 ]
Posted by McKinley
Ericsson had a chance to buy Nokia for a silly amount of money for almost ten years ago, I don't know if it was good or not but what I do know is that Nokia is losing it and soon they will not be number one anymore. Samsung will surpass them hopefully and then Sony Ericsson will become what Ericsson was once when it was big.
OrangutangMan,
could you stop writing unproven filth
Posted by slattery69
while i agree this is an se forum and as such they will be a bias towards se products. which i have no problem with as there are some great products
what i do dislike is the utter crap people that people write about other brands ie blokia its crap etc when they havent tried the brand they just say it as it not se this is just rubbish these people know who they are
they praise se phones that arent even out and claim the cameras etc will be fantstic yet have never held one tkaen a pic or even seen a pic from the finished product
i have no probelm with the bias towards se but to diss a product you have never seen or tried based on who makes it is quite embarressing for you.
all phone makers make crap phones se are no exception to this and all companys phones have bugs and over a period of time they even them selves out between the companys
in short if you want to slag something off at least put an arguement forward not just the usual crap of "oh its a ...... so its crap"
[ This Message was edited by: slattery69 on 2004-07-03 11:14 ]
Posted by energetic
@slattery69
Well said.
Posted by Codfather
>>...Some people, they do waste our time.
After all it`s a love hate relationship between Nokia and SE, we love to hate em..HA!!
Posted by marik
@slattery69
Its about time sumbody said it....
Posted by wapchimp
lol thats what Ive being trying to say here.
My little experiment seems to have worked.
I feel dissapointed that esato has so many small minded members. I wish I could pick and choose who was here. But hey, I live in a democracy, so can tolerate other peoples opinions. This thread SUBJECT is utter crapI admit, (except for the se vs nokia bit) but you guys who have posted crap, will gain no respect from anyone with your lame comments.
I just can't wait for the buddy function to be implemented on the forums. Then hopefully an IGNORE function aswell, so I can ween out the small minded people on this forum. They to can block me, and not make themselves look stupid, by replying with childish posts to a thread such as this.
HA!
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[ This Message was edited by: orangeman on 2004-07-08 09:57 ]