Posted by coo1k3n
Interesting thought (if anyone else hasn't posted this
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Why doesn't anyone on this Esato forum compare Sony Ericsson with say:
:: Siemens
:: Motorola
:: Samsung
Why are people on this forum always comparing Nokia to Sony Ericssons (vice versa)???
Is it cuz SE fanatics know that Nokia is a BIG successful mobile manufacturer, and SE fanatics try to demolish the fact (or even hide it) by coming up with as many negative comments as they can???
Or maybe it's that they know Nokia is a BIG successful company, and cuz of this SE fanatics try and bring Nokia down?
I guess there is a small minority of Esato users who truely dislike Nokia's because they actually had a Nokia and prefer Sony Ericssons... but i must say i think most of the SE fanatics generally hate nokia cuz of the above reasons (not cuz they have had Nokia mobiles and have had Sony Ericssons).
Finally (after my huge speech!!!
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What are your thoughts???
Posted by Neil Chen
I think it goes back to the old days of Nokia vs Ericsson. Most SE diehards i think are ericsson users : and are still quite annoyed that their old enemy won the battle of the 1990's!
Posted by Sammy_boy
hmmm, interesting thought!
I do wonder if some people jump on the bandwagon so to speak - one person slags Nokia off, then everyone else piles in and does the same as it's the 'done' thing. Of course, there will be people who genuinely have had problems with Nokia and really don't like them.
I personally quite like Nokia as well - although they have done some annoying things of late (like crippling Bluetooth and IR to only work with other Nokias, or other certain devices, or when their batteries blow up!), but also have bought out some good phones. I've not tried many of their newer models - although I had a 3200 for a while, and didn't get on with it - no Bluetooth, rubbish IR implementation, small, poor screen, but did have the radio and flashlight functions!
I sold it a couple of months after getting I got it with a new contract.
Each to their own I guess - it's just that most people here Only Take A Sony Ericcson
Posted by iyiinsan
I've never used other mobiles than Nokia and Ericsson so can't compare other brands. But I have to tell that I'm not only disgusted by Nokia's (bad connectivity, no way to expand phone's capabilties, etc.), I'm also afraid of them! My friend who has an 7250 came to me last week and asked for how much the DLC-3 batteries cost. I asked him why he wanted to learn its price and he said that the night before he left his phone charging and in the middle of the night he woke up with a loud bang... Guess what? The battery exploded! Stay as far as you can from Nokia's!..
Posted by etaab
I think the reason why most people on this forum compare SE to Nokia is because Nokia are rapidly becoming the joke company of the mobile phone industry.
Their designs for new phones are ridiculously silly and have no style what-so-ever (im sorry, but the 3650 keypad isnt style, its insanity !).
SE on the other hand seem to be going from strength to strength where the style of their phones is concerned. Nokia, along with other companies have come to a dead end where style is concerned, and have no ideas left when it comes to making their phones look good. They seem to think the only way to improve is to make drastic changes, such as putting the buttons along the sides of the screen (SX1, 7600) or arranging them in silly shapes (6600, 3650, 3200, 7610).
SE keep it simple, make the phone look like a phone but make it look stylish. Thats why we see phones like the Sharp TM100 that are obviously based on SE designs.
Nokia are the world market leaders, which makes them the biggest target for ridicule. The only reason they hold onto such a big share is because they have such loyal fans, most of which think Nokia make the best phones and so refuse to even look at anything else. Their ignorance is their downfall.
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Posted by coo1k3n
Gotta say, not all Nokia users are like that. I'm not brand loyal at all, like ive mentioned before, if its a good mobile than get it (it doesnt matter what manufacturer its by). Ive had a motorola mobile before...
Also you'll find that with the 3650, Nokia have made a 3660:
P.S: I'm sure there's plenty of people who like the 3650 cuz it's not in a typical block form.
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I think most of those people who slag Nokia off have never had a problem, but as you said, they are just jumping on the bandwagon.
Who wants to be left behind anyway. Lets jump on the wagon and all slag off nokia, even if we've never owned one.
As for the SE vs Nokia debate. We all wanna be the most popular (maybe we'll be the most popular if we slag nokia off?)... People just wanna see SE being better than the market leaders...
Posted by etaab
@ coo1k3n
The 3660 is Nokia saying ' look, we f*cked up with the buttons on the 3650, we admit it ! '
Posted by coo1k3n
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At least it shows they listen to their customers and make mobiles that they know customers will want. Who doesn't make mistakes???
Posted by etaab
HAHA ! Nokia listen to their customers ? no they do not !
If they did, their phones would be more like SE's, and they wouldnt continue to make such silly looking phones to get their products noticed - its the only way they can keep up with SE in style terms.
Posted by slattery69
Does the t630 mean that se made a mistake with the t610 then. Its the same arguement ap the nokia one
Posted by coo1k3n
2 rite!!! And whats worse, the photo quality with the T630 is as bad as the T610. At least when Nokia make an upgrade they actually 'upgrade' something.
Goes to show Nokia and SE are similar cuz they both upgrade phones, but it means Nokia actually listens to customers (cuz they improve) where as SE don't.
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Posted by etaab
SE did a Nokia when they released the T630, they wanted to cash in on people before their next big phone release.
The other reason why they released the T630 is because of the poor visibility of the T610's screen. SE felt it necessary to improve upon it and so put a TFT in the T630.
I personally dont have any problem with the quality of the T610's camera. When the phone was first released it was one of the best none-VGA camera out, much better than the Samsung V200's and other phones back then.
Im sorry Ken, but Nokia dont listen to their customers, they really really dont. If they did, they would improve upon their phones instead of releasing the same phone in a different case, under a new name every month. I think i read somewhere that in Q1 of this year, Nokia released 14 phones worldwide... holy christ !
Posted by coo1k3n
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As an example, I've mentioned it before when people were saying the 7250 is the same as the 3200. There are plenty of different functions, like the 7250 doesnt have that the 3200 does: XHTML, HSCSD, EDGE, J2ME, WAP 2.0, Tri-band, the ability to send/receive data by IR. It's the technical specifications that nokia upgrade that people seem to give no notice to.
Also, if your thinking that the 7250i is the same as the 3200, the 3200 doesn't cost £200. The 3200 has all the features a 7250i has, even more but it costs less. The 3200 is a budget fone for younger people unlike the 7250i. Once again, people seem to dismiss this. Sometimes its the small things that make a difference but you don't really notice it.
Posted by etaab
Who said the 7250 was the same as the 3200 ? i know i didnt..
its not necessary to quote my entire post you know...
Posted by slattery69
design is very subjective issue what one person hates another loves thats what makes it an interesting place the fact that people like differnet things
its hard to critisie nokia just cos you dont like what they do as other do.
you can critise the crippled ir etc as these are vaild but design is subjective and harder to cristise i hate the z200 looks like a soap holder but many love it and have every right to and these opinion is just as vaild as mine
Posted by saqibq
becuz Sony is and was the world leader in electronics.. THey set standards.. Thier TV WEga was the first flat screen tv.. THier picture tubes in thier TV .. excellent long lasting.. ANd they are the ones.. who Innovate and create excellent devices.. i was once a nokia fan. not ericssons.. But when sony joined ericsson.. I became its fan.. Cuz not its SONY ERICSSON>> and nokia is made for silly ppl who cant even differentiate.. that thier 3330 is just another fone as (3310+wap).. AND the dumb shape of that fone.. I hate it like anything.. its like a .. a .. Its shit.. even worse.. I even like nokia fones.. But NOKIA>> PRICE>> FALLS FASTER THAN A ROCKET ACCELERATING and falling towards earth.. Thier fones have features.. but thier prices are tooo high compared to SE>> most of their fones these days.. 7210 , 7650 , 7745, 7865 , 8457 ,, most of them bogus numbers but they all are same
dont even hav bluetooth and are expensive then our Beloved and 1 and only fone that will whip all these Models asses.. (the t610.. has everything better then nokia.. ) its always Nokia vs SE cuz these 2 are the leading mobile manufacturers.. u silly fool who questioned this.. WILL U COMPARE NOKIA phones with .. i once saw this fone .. KENWOOD PHOne.. it was shitttttttt... will u ever do that.. u will only compare the top 2 brands and choose the better one from botht these.. so we compare both these.. if today.. the Nokia shuts down.. the second GIant is Samsung or motorola.. if i am not rong or maybe somelse.. then we will compare it with that..
Posted by Neil Chen
Unusual that a sony fan came over to SE. Virtually nothing from sony can be found on SE today - will with the rather annoying exceptions of Memory Sticks! Its all ericsson connectors, accessories found on sony ericsson. Two sony hardwear features have came over - jog dial as found on P8/900 and the previously mentioned and cursed memory sticks.
PS i have nothing against jog dial - i had a J5 and thought it was great.
Posted by *Jojo*
I am very certain that the brand NEC - fone will be the talk of the town once it releases it's mobile fone with TV features by next year - 2005. As some will/can recall, NEC is just one of the pioneers in mobile devices.
Posted by etaab
Shame all NEC phones are pretty poor isnt it ? e606 anyone ?
Posted by leo_asb
N3200 is indeed similar to N7250i. even much better! N3200 can now send pics & tones to other phones via IrDA (i know coz i bought one) unlike N7250i which allows you to send pics & tones only through MMS.
The two are different in the way it looks and the PRICE! N3200 is much cheaper then the N7250i. N3200 is intended for the youth while N7250i is intended for the mature ones.
SE is being compared with Nokia always since the two are the only companies that are very popular around the world. The two are like the big industries in the cellphone market. They are also very competitive in terms of sales, price and popularity.
Posted by jontyf
Im a BIG fan of SE but only last year I had 3310
It was a good phone at a good price
Posted by kbloom
Hey people! NOKIA RULES!!! Don't you think the SE phones are a little unreliable and don't have many downloads for them???
Posted by kbloom
Probably the only reason I do prefer the nokias is the fact that they have such a huge download range for every phone... and the cool covers.
Posted by slappy2
The most crappy thin about Nokia is the standard 128x128 screen. It's the most tragic screen at the marked. And the 7200. This huge phone with this tiny screen. It does not look good. SE releases few, but good phones.
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SE dont have many downloads for them ? are you blind or simply not done your research ? Visit sites such as my t610 and repeat what you said..
Nokia phones might have lots of support to download new pictures, sounds and games by calling a number, going to a WAP page or whatever, but SE phones have just as many, if not more, all pretty much for free !
Every game for SE phones is available for free if you know where to look on the internet. The fact most Nokia files have to be paid for proves my point that the majority of Nokia owners are ignorant to the fact they wouldnt have to pay for ringtones, games etc if they bought a proper (
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Posted by kbloom
Hey! Nokias and the Sharps are just as good, if not even better... and don't you dare call us ignorant
Posted by etaab
You're a Nokia owner ?
! Ignorant !
Posted by kbloom
And I think you'll find that website doesn't exist...
Posted by kbloom
Anyone else recon I'm ignorant?
Posted by masseur
so, unless I am very much mistaken, this thread was about
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but it has turned into yet another
vs Nokia, or possibly Nokia bashing thread.
Either way, please get back on topic otherwise I'll close this because we already have plenty of
vs nokia threads.
thanks!
Posted by etaab
Theres no harm in highlighting the fact which groups of people primarily buy which phone brand.
OK to get back on topic, i think people who buy Samsungs and Motorolas are people who also think that Nokia phones are a little dull and boring, they've also seen that the phones Samsung and Motorola are producing have more to them.
I dont like to class everyone in the same stereotype, but (my own experience) everybody i know who owns a Nokia, has never owned anything other than a Nokia, and never even consider anything other than Nokia when they go to buy a new phone. Thats why i class Nokia owners as ignorant.
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oh dear, I own two Nokias even now but have been through everything from NEC, motorola, Nokia, SE and a couple of others I can't even recall right now. I do hope I am not perceived as being ignorant as I own 2 (read TWO) Nokias?
edit: sorry, I meant to finish with the thought that Nokia owners, or indeed other manufacturer owners, enjoy the experience of the phone that that have had previously and are comfortable with the interface (UI) that they simply choose the same brand again for familiarity, not because they are ignorant
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Posted by etaab
I own 3 (THREE) old Nokias too, but im not ignorant.
I think the ignorant people are, sadly, the majority of Nokia owners who only look at Nokia phones, they never even take a glance at SE.
Last year when i got my T610, a few weeks before this kid i work with got a 7250. He was laughing at me for buying a SE, and he really had no idea how crap his phone was compared to mine.
He thought his screen was better..
the 7250 is a 4k screen compared to the T610's 65k.
Posted by BOOYAR
Yes thats sooo true. I got asked a few times about why i got a se when i got a t68i despite the fact most were still using 3330 and the t68i was one of the best phones available if not the best.
Posted by kbloom
no way, me and my mates... we're not exactly 'nokia bashers'!
despite the fact i've had 2 nokias, ive also in the past had a motorola, sagem, and now a sharp!!
no, no ignorant, just like familiarity...
Posted by Jowi
because NOkia is #1 in the market...why would you compete w/ #2 or 3 or 4 when your goal is to be #1.
Posted by xert
Jowi: But before you can really challenge #1, you must beat the others above you.
Posted by Abby
I had a Philips before my Nokia and was happy with it. Thereafter I had Nokias 3210, 3310, wanted a clam; had my eye on Panasonic GD67 but ended up getting Nokia 6610. I like Nokia but was bored of their sameness and they didn't do clams then. Finally got my SE z600 and very happy with it. I don't dislike Nokia. I just fancied a change.
Posted by Jowi
@xert-but since this is an
forum, it doesnt make a challenge if you would say vs samsung or vs siemens... it must be vs Nokia. coz everybody is trying to beat nokia.
Posted by kbloom
Or there are more nokia users on this particular forum... cuz they're way pop. phones