Posted by mib1800
Check out the following article:-
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/04/20/euro_q1_pda_sales/
It says the Nokia smart phones 6660/3660 is selling 7 times more than P900/800. So looks like SE high-tech strategy is not working well
Smart phones sales are expected to top 40% of all phones sold by 2008. Looking at the dismal figures of SE and if the trend continues SE may just be relegated to third-rate manufacturer.
This is another indication that Nokia is making a comeback with their upcoming smartphones 7610 and 6620 etc. So Nokia will be riding the next waves. SE has nothing to counter the 6600/6620/7610 jaggernaut.
Posted by kev.morris
its just like ford fiestas out sell aston martins!
Posted by chudders
Well if Nokia keep giving away there phones to every numpty who wants one what do you expect SE are a little bit more exclusive
Posted by shibumi
Maybe its because poor people like me can afford the nokia smart phones. And if we talk abt features, its not that bad either. Cmon people, be real.
Posted by kev.morris
my reply was only light hearted, i like some nokias
Posted by Bianca
This doesn't say anything. That nokia sells more doesn't mean that they produce better phones
Posted by shibumi
Yes, we are not talking abt quality... It is the price. Not everyone are from first world countries, right?
Posted by Bianca
Yes that is right but you are here on a sony-ericsson forum so a lot of people here use
Posted by shibumi
Yes, because i like your forum so much, learn new things, meet friends. I even dream abt the p900. But i just can't afford it
Posted by Bianca
I'll understand that. You are still welcome on esato
Posted by bohdan
I still prefer great Sony Ericsson's technology and design
Posted by Krubach
I can't really consider other than Nokia's Communicators as Smartphones...
Posted by Sir-SonyEricsson-man
hahaha..
Posted by shibumi
I'm not questioning anyone's preferences. I was just trying to lay out one of the reasons why nokia leads in sales
Posted by kev.morris
@ rowenacruzcarlos welcome
Posted by bart
the nokia phones cost less (but there not better) and they supply them in great numbers (while the P900 comes in very short numbers)
remember nokia still has 34phones out 6600/3650/3660/7650(some countries) so more phones more choice.
and ofcourse alot of people still think that nokia is the best
Posted by draak1
Nokia sells more because,just the brandname nothing more.
The Drake
Posted by shibumi
:)
Posted by shlomo
I agree , nokia is always one step ahead. But i use both since there is nothing better on the market.
Posted by Flying Finn
The Series 60 phones are a huge success, them selling more than UIQ devices came to me as no surprise.
I think everyone who understands anything about Symbian or Series 60 knows that Series 60 phones ARE smart. Compared to "dumb" phones that can only handle light apps like Java, they have very powerful hardware as well as advanced applications that have access to all of the phones capabilites. The menu structure is very clever and intuitive too.
I just wish there'd be more handsets running on Series 60 2.0 because themes make the interface a lot more exciting and personal.
Posted by shibumi
well said flying finn
and maybe SE should change their marketing strategy... what about ... high tech + affordable price...
maybe that way they could narrow the gap bet SE & nokia as far as sales and market leadership is concerned....
and maybe i could finally afford a P900... LOL...
Posted by Krubach
@rowenacruzcarlos
You're not comparing a P900 with a series 60 phone, are you?
How much do you think the new Nokia Communicator will cost?
Because it's the only Nokia phone you can compare to P900.
Posted by batesie
people buying nokias that appeal 'to the masses'. se still covers the top end of the smartphones. like ford mpvs outsell porsche cayennes. ;-)
Posted by Flying Finn
I'd love to see SE producing a Series 60 phone
Come on.. Nokia, Siemens, Sendo, Samsung, Panasonic have done it..
Posted by Krubach
I don't think that SE will ever make a series 60 for the simple fact they they have their own non-touch-screen UI (Cant remember the name...).
So my guess is that SE used UIQ because they needed a touch screen UI so they licensed it instead of spending $$$ developing one.
Posted by mib1800
batesie wrote: " people buying nokias that appeal 'to the masses'. se still covers the top end of the smartphones. like ford mpvs outsell porsche cayennes. "
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U r refering to market segmentation. In this case people who buy porsche will not buy ford and vice versa. Now let's say there is an upswing in the economy. Then u would expect both the sales of porsche and ford to go up as both segments feel the effect of the growth.
Look at the statistics in my first post. SE has ZERO growth whereas Nokia has 90%. You should see similar growth if SE & Nokia are selling to different market segments. A zero growth in a market that is growing 80% is a disaster.
So there is very high likelihood that there is NO segmentation. Consumers therefore perceived SE & Nokia smartphones provide the same utility value (i.e same satisfaction). SE smartphones is not selling because consumers don't find it as good value (i.e. overpriced).
As simple as that.
Posted by Flying Finn
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Sendo, Siemens, Samsung and Panasonic also have their own non-touch screen UI's yet they licensed S60.. Nokia also has Series 40 1.0, 2.0 & 3G beside S60..
Posted by Krubach
But this non-touch-screen UI is brand new!
So when it gets obsolete series 60 will be too.
And it's licensed to ?Samsung?
, I'm not sure what brand is it...
Posted by Unreal
rowenacruzcarlos you are right,I also dream with a P900...
But Nokia is more cheper then SE in SmartPhones.
For example,I bought a new 3660 from my Network here in Portugal for "only" 175 euros.
I can't bought a P900 for only 175 euros
,not even a stolen one is so cheap.Here a P900 costs 855 euros...
Chears!
Posted by bohdan
There is only one SE smartphone and Nokia has 3 of them right now afaik. Nokia mass-smartphones are cheaper (of course less advanced and little overpriced but still...). That's why people's buying them.
Sony Ericsson is not going to have as huge marketshare as Nokia in the nearest future. They will still make the high-end phones, not for mass-market.
[ This Message was edited by: bohdan on 2004-04-23 20:46 ]
Posted by shibumi
@ krubach, u are missing my point. Consider this, i admire the p9. And i have a great desire for it. But this desire will not and cannot be transformed to a sales figure simply because i cannot afford it. You have to accep that price plays a great part for a product to become a market leader
Posted by xxkennethxx
hi @ wena... Welcome! Musta?
Posted by dantec
First off noone seems to have noticed that the register.co.uk is the most bull$hit site in existance... They pull a lot of crap out of their @ss...
Not that I don't believe that Nokia is selling a lot more series 60 phones than SE... If that wasn't the case I would be shocked... seeing that series 60 phones are cheap and there are many of them...
What I keep wondering is, every where I go... (before I moved to the U.S. even in Switzerland) everyone is walking around with T610's/T68i's... Especially in the U.S. a lot of people have the T616 or T610 (depending on carrier)... Even a lot of T300's (which suprised me because there wern't many in Europe)...
And what suprises me most, is how LG sells more phones than SE even though their main phone market is in America... Now that I do not understand ! Must be the brainwashed Americans buying LG phones in drones...
So I think SE's marketshare is improving, after all they only have one way to go and that is up...
Now in the smartphone section... SE's marketshare is flat... Think about it... They only have 1 smartphone on the market ! the P900... Where as nokia has several... And nokia has added several smartphones to it's lineup since 2003 representing the huge growth we see in that chart
[ This Message was edited by: dantec on 2004-04-23 23:22 ]
Posted by shibumi
@ kenneth, mabuti naman, kabayan!
Posted by mib1800
Seems like there are a lot reasons being put forward to explain this. Some may have merits while others are purely rhetoric.
Whatever arguments there are, the BOTTOMLINE is still this. SE smartphone business is in TROUBLE. If SE achieved a ZERO percent growth in a skyrocketing market, something must be very very wrong.
If u take a look at newcomer Siemens. Its smartphone SX1 have chalked out a volume that is 50% of P900/800 within one quarter. And everyone knows the price of P900 and SX1 is not too far apart.
So maybe SE smartphones (P900/P800) are not as desirable or not good value for money.
Just look at the P800. Overall P800 has similar specs and about same price as the N6600. P800 is just not selling compared to N6600 which is selling like hotcakes. So then again, there may be something more fundamentally wrong with SE smartphones.
Posted by elsapo
Here in my country a lot of people is buying the 6600 as a 'phone', not as a 'smartphone'... They are using the 6600 as my old 7110, sms and calls! I think it's a nonsense but anyway can you do it with P800 or P900? Cheers
Posted by shibumi
:D