Posted by BobaFett
Have a suggestion, namely, we should never ever blame a nokia or any other brand here on esato. Lets show a good and consructive behavour for other public forums, that /// and se fans are gentlemans, so instead of blaming we force ourself and others buy and use our favourite fones. On this way we can show the world the real power of esato, we protect our brand and keep to it as respectfull users.
Posted by masseur
for once, I agree. Although we are mostly
fans here which is why we visit, I am totally fed up with the juvenile Nokia bashing that goes on here at the slightest mention of the name. alot of the time I get the feeling its just to be "one of the gang" or something but I am sure many of us have had Nokias in the past and thought they were great, and I wouldn't be surprised if we get a Nokia or other brand in the future.
I for one absolutely loved my first Nokia, the 2110, as it was my first digital phone and had a large display etc, and when it came to the 8210 (and 8250), well they were fantastic for their time.
The fact that
phones today attract my attention does not mean that I dismiss the idea of getting another brand in the future.
so in my opinion, well said boba
Posted by bionrg
Peacefull thinking...Good!:-)
Posted by MTNT68i
Well said,, We should lead the way... we are SE gentlemen.
Posted by mmsman
yeah i too agree in my opinion nokia isn't a bad company in fact i think it's one of the best companies on the world, if you like se better than why aren't you happy and leave others to enjoy other things, not all people have the same taste....
anyway i agree with you boba
Posted by shlomo
I agree you have to respect others with different models.
Posted by BobaFett
We shouldnt try it. We should do it. For us and esato.
Posted by buckle247
yeah i also used to like nokia had a 3310 and it was great for snake, and a good phone at time. The had a 7110, was a laugh just for the shooting bit, then i got a 3510 had it for about a month and realised that i could sell it and only need a couple more quid to get a second hand t68i. I have used a couple of colour nokia's since then, but i have to say i much prefer the menu look to SE's and the phones as a whole.
I know i will be saying with SE for a bit longer (k700, then what ever comes after that) But maybe in the future, i will get a diff brand, but only if SE go crazy and start making kack phones.
Posted by bart
i have been an /// SE fan from the day i bought my frist phone. i've tried alot of phones before i bought mine first. but the T28 was just beter then the rest in my opinion. from that day i suggest people to buy a phone from that brand (mostly the good ones, every brand has got a bad one) and i still do that. i love the /// SE phones and there still the best. i have tried alot of othere phones, tested them in stores, used them for a few days and i still remain sure that SE is the best. but as i work in a phone shop i know that for some people a phone from another brand is better. i even sometimes don't suggest a SE phone like the T200 that was a horrible phone.
i'm sure most of us are gentelman. we see alot of nokia fans posting agressively (surtenly in the last few weeks). most of them are just going along with the group. without knowing anything about phones or having and objective mind. i know myself that i don't like those people and that i would do everything to give them a lesson. yesterday i posted in a thread a perfect plan how to somehow drop the moral for the nokia fans but somebody deleted it (still not happy about that).
the main idea is still the give the best advice and suggest the best phone for them. but alot of people that don't search the net just go out and buy a phone from a brand without having any idea what they buy. some do a quick post in the forums and mostly some nokia fans reply as first resulting that the person buy's a nokia. there are more nokia fans then from anyother brand which is normal since nokia is the marketleader. but there suggestions and way of giving good advise is sometimes very wrong. some even hold back info or give more specs then the phone has. And whats the point of that? if you want to promote something you shouldn't lie. as a sales person you're sometimes expected to do that. but I and normally a few other people arround the world don't care about that, and there just fair and tell the truth.
so i say lets be gentleman and if i CAN i will give my plan how we can teach those crazy nokia (and other phone brands) a lesson in a normal way.
Posted by mixin
im sorry, but is this just a thread where people can now act all innocent and claim that they have "never had a thing against nokia"
and deny claims that they've bashed nokia in the past?
Posted by bart
i never said i have never said anything bad about nokia.
i admit that i've got bad things against stuff/brands/companys or people that aren't good. mistakes can be made thats true, but how many can they make
Posted by buckle247
lol, i am not denying 'bashing' nokia, i even made an anti-nokia theme, just saying i have used more nokias than SE and i prefer SE, but if Nokia do make a great phone and SE start to make bad phones (can't see this happening) i would probably swap brands, or buy something completly different.
Posted by BobaFett
@mixin i did blaming in the past aswell, but i stopped it. We are no saints, but i am ready to see and judge things on another way.
Posted by leo_asb
good! we need PEACE not WAR.
Posted by Elrond
I blamed Nokia too, but mostly times I give facts why Nokia isn't so good, what does it luck and why
. Sometimes it's a bit hard to defend from someone who owns a worse phone and they tell you what a shit phone you have. But we are gentlemans and we will not do that anymore, right?
Posted by Andrew21
My first phone was an ericsson ga318 and it was a brick and bad phone and at that time i saw my friend with nokia3210 and it was great phone. Today the times changes and i swaped my 3510i for SE Z600. And in the future i can maybe swap my SE to a nokia or something else(maybe samsung), who knows;-)
Posted by gotska
Bart. I read your mess yday and logged in there. I saw what a mess N. spammers made and took action. I searched intresting mess about SE and anwerd then to bring these good mess out in the light. Spamming should just be ignored. Use your energy in a positive way.
Posted by Sammy_boy
Aha! some common sense!
I was (and perhaps still am in a way) a big Nokia fan - most of the phones I had were Nokias. I still have a soft spot for the 3310, 6150e, 7110, and still think the 8310's quite cute, and have owned them all at some stage.
I haven't gone in for Nokia bashing either - if I have it's when talking about crap phones in general.
It's totally counter-productive, and pointlessly hating another brand I guess is of a similar mindset to those who hate other sports teams, countries, religions, etc etc.
Posted by Dj Boyi
Sorry,but my 'thoughts' are still the same,Nokia =
Posted by shibumi
Peace everyone! :)
Posted by BobaFett
Happy to see positive reactions.
Posted by slattery69
it s about time though i believe it will only last about a d\ay or 2 or until nokia release a new model
but it is nice to see some people trying though some people who have posted are not been truthful by trying to say that they are objective in there slagging off. they should perhaps read some of there old posts with such objective phrases as nokia suck, nokia are shit its crap
very objective and real argument winners (you know who you are)
but a new start has been called for so i support that
good on you boba for trying to make a small change
Posted by Ayush
Yeah gr8 move thanks ! Cheers :-D
Posted by bart
i never used any of the words like nokia sucks or stuff like that. when i "attack" them i use normal text and facts. and i think i'm not the only one
Posted by slattery69
@bart if youve never said any of those things then that post would nt apply to you ,then would it so no real need for you to reply if youve never said any of those things
the people who have know who they are and lets hope boba works helps stop the pointless (to quote massuer) be part of the gang mentality
theres good and bad in every company even se
Posted by bart
i know that but i posted this for people to know that there are people that can say bad things about nokia in a correct way. everybody makes mistakes when they start as a fan. i myself had some bad comment once when SE started but now i've learned so much and i think more about reply's. and i'm sure all those other will do the same
Posted by Ayush
Rightly said
Posted by BobaFett
so we can day by day change our mind in this case and let blow a new wind across esato...
Posted by lalilulelo
hahaha.. blame none of them because they are all the same, profit maker
Posted by wapchimp
I got slated the other day while asking for help in the p900 forum. Make mental note 'put sim into my t610 to get help from other esato members next time im on wap' !!
Posted by BobaFett
@orangeman sorry to hear that. its the main reason i started this thread... it will take time...
Posted by BobaFett
so, any more comments. i am do interested what other members think of this reform here.
Posted by RichLok
I was a big Nokia fan before I discovered SE... Now Sony-Ericsson is my favorite brand but I still like (not love) Nokia phones. I'm currently using the 6600 and I'm awaiting for the SE Z500a!
Posted by Ayush
@orange That's bad :-( anyway let's hope for the best :-)
Posted by ephil_24
It's not that I hate nokia.. what pisses me off is that
doesn't get the respect it deserves when nokias with worse specs are considered top phones 
Posted by swazi
ahh, come on guys we all love bashing nokia so much because there the main competition, but really you are right we should stop, but probable wont
Posted by wapchimp
I would defend nokia if i was in a nokia forum, so i expect the same here for se to be honest. I have slated nokia big time. No matter how good their phones are, they will always have the 'i' disease.
Posted by BobaFett
Its a long way, but every journey begins with a step.
Posted by leew347
i must admit that i have ermm had my fair share of arguments about nokia on here but the main reason y i dont like them as ive said in UK thread is that the nice shaped ones are crap for the money n only 4k screens. for £250 i want 65K n bluetooth. but l8ly ive had to use my 3310 cuz the fw on my t68i is jiggered
Posted by BobaFett
i do think the best way would be to post on esato opinions why do we like a brand and why not. as i see here, the problem is not the opinion, more sometimes the way of the presentation of it.
Posted by BobaFett
Any more opinions?
Posted by djpowelly
Boba, R U MAD?!? We
fans live for rippin nokia apart!!!
Posted by BobaFett
@djpowelly i am ok
think the time has come to change our mind in this case. i dont like nokia either, but blame is for no use any more.
Posted by Sir-SonyEricsson-man
I have titled myself
SIR Gentelman, SIR Sonyericsson-man Gentelman
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With friendly regards
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Store Manager @ Telekiosken Vestkanten
[ This Message was edited by: Sonyericsson-man on 2004-04-23 19:47 ]
Posted by BobaFett
@sem its really nice of u, but i wish to see more of u. anyway, your fisrt step is more then welcome.
Posted by bico
I don't hate other brands at all, but I don't necessarily like them either.
I like SE. I prefer SE.
Posted by BobaFett
Thats the point! We should like and force se without hurting anybody.
Posted by MaThIbUs
Well said, boba. In order to confuse dislectical Esatonians, why not rename this thread into 'No more name a blokia'?
Posted by BobaFett
@mathibus ;-) no. I lieve it as it is. Hope i can reach sg with this action. Its not a must to follow me, but hope i can make ppl start thinking of it.
Posted by Sir-SonyEricsson-man
nokia os ok. i think with the 6600 and 6630 they have mad really good phones..