Posted by scotsboyuk
@kim
Operor vos narro Latin?
Posted by lenn24
That such my friends, I see that speak in all the languages jajajajaja
Posted by gareb
God bless the next president
Posted by kimcheeboi
Not if it's gw!
Posted by Miss UK
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Naja
Posted by mimula
hi everybody...
how r u all doing???
as i can see nobody is here at the moment....that is a shame...
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Posted by Ninjaturtle
http://www.quartervote.com/
Posted by kimcheeboi
damn straight! and that's what lots of americans forget to realize
Posted by lenn24
mimula my love
Posted by Residentevil
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he will need it.
Posted by amagab
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From your URL post, I understand that you are not satisfied with your situation.
The US receives immigrants with open arms...if you want join the 290 million who already made it here, to enjoy the many opportunities, you are welcome to move here where individual success is promoted and rewarded. Then you can partake in US elections, with a full vote (not only a quarter).
Posted by scotsboyuk
@amagab
Perhaps Ninjaturtle prefers to remain in Sweden with its higher standard of living.
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Posted by eric_emeralds
@scotsboyuk
i plan on heading to sweden because of its higher standard of living. but i planned on going long before bush even took office
Posted by richy240
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This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard of... I agree with most of what is said here, but I do not agree that citizens of other countries should have the right to place a 1/4 vote for the pres. of the US.
Should I have a 1/4 vote in the next UK elections?
I mean, where is the logic here?
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Posted by scotsboyuk
@richy240
I don't think it would matter much if you had a full vote in the next UK elections; Blair is probably still going to win.
The opposition just aren't strong enough to defeat him, but you never know, Bush's victory seems to have galvanised opposition to Blair here.
I do agree though, foreigners shouldn't be allowed to vote in other nation's elections. Mind you, it would have been nice if they could have in the recent U.S. election.
Posted by amagab
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I have to say that my standard increased when I moved to the US. I make a couple of $k more a year, I pay 14% income tax instead of 43%, I chose myself where my money goes and what to do with it.
I don't like to participate in systems where the tax payers pay for other peoples inproductivity. I believe in individual liberty and not collectivism.
Posted by richy240
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Yes, that would have assured his defeat.
Posted by scotsboyuk
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You mean you don't like a system of social security. I believe in helping my fellow human beings; if someone cannot work through illness, disability or because economic conditions prevalent at a particular time mean there are few jobs then I believe that those who earn more money should pay more taxes to help them. I also believe that every humanbeing has the right to free medical attention and I am quite willing to pay higher taxes to ensure this. I believe that no human being should go without food or shelter, again i am very happy to pay more taxes to make sure that this is possible.
I really do not like to talk about money, I consider it a vulgar subject, but suffice to say I pay a decent sum in tax. I am happy to do this because I know that it goes to support a system of free health care, free education, economic aid for those unable to provide for themselves and to help ensure that basic public services run as best they can. It might not be perfect, but I believe it to be a good system. Interestingly enough, Britain is the most capitalist country in Europe, and everyone here has the ability to be successful precisley because there is a system in place to support them.
Posted by amagab
I believe in providing for yourself. Yes, a lot of people are not able to that. There is actually a safety net here as well....but not as high as in Europe. Basic needs are provided here as well...it might not be known but health care is free for emergencies, welfare is provided to people who cannot provide for themselves. It might not be as luxurious as in Europe, but at least it's there.
Americans DO believe in helping fellow humans as well. That is why Americans (both government and individuals) have the HIGHEST charitable DONATIONS and contributions in the world.
Europe did have the greatest health care in the world...however, it is now suffering due to abuse and government inability to run successful operations. It is sad to see European health care and welfare (the backbone of European politics) decline without people's call for reform.
Posted by scotsboyuk
@amagab
I'm very glad to hear that the U.S. does give the most to charity, after all it is the richest nation on Earth.
Free emergency health care is hardly free health care. What about the the needs of the patient after the initial emergency? What if the patient needs life long medical treatment? What happens to those who cannot afford to pay for drugs? What about the people who need surgery to relieve pain, but which isn't deemed an emergency? Are mental health problems deemed emergencies?
The European health systems have been in decline for a long time now, and I presume that you don't follow the European media as there have been calls from all quarters for years to reform the health systems.
The aim of the welfare state is to make sure that everyone, regardless of income, has an equal chance in life. It might not be a perfect system, but I it is soemthing that almost all Europeans are prepared to pay for. What surprises me is that there have neve rbeen any strong calls in the U.S. for a free health care system, certainly not by any recent important political figures. Is there a lot of support for such a measure in the U.S.?
Posted by amagab
No, there is not much support for free health care in the US. It will never be implemented. I do think though that a lot of people want to make it more affordable, because as you know, it is getting out of hand.
I used to believe in free health care but I'm not sure if I do anymore. I don't know much about UK but I know that in Sweden and France they now have to start charging higher fees for medical care. Those two countries were earlier known to have the best health care in the world. No system is perfect.
An interesting point is though that life expectancy is pretty much the same all over Europe and the US so free health care or not doesn't seem to be a contributing factor.....I might be wrong....it's just my fast assumption.
Addition: Bush is working on a medicare reform...that is, providing better care for elders. We'll see how it works out. Clinton tried implementing universal health care and it was not popular, one of Kerry's election points was free health care and we know now what happened to that.
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Posted by lenn24
oh
Posted by boto43
Yes lenn,capitalism and especially form of us capitalism is very bad and unhuman.
Who knows it better than former communist as me
Posted by lenn24
Wow Boto
Posted by batesie
As a taste of what is to come during a second Bush term, an advisor to President Bush on climate issues came out today claiming global warming is a myth designed to 'hamper American competitiveness.' Myron Ebell, a director at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, told Radio 4 that claims the climate is threatened are "ridiculous, unrealistic and alarmist."
"The whole tissue of argument that makes climate change into the greatest problem facing humanity is based on a long series of improbabilities," he said.
The Competitive Enterprise Institute has received $1.5m from Esso since 1998. Esso is the world's biggest oil company and funds a series of front groups that spread doubt about climate science and advise Republican politicians on global warming. The CEI is one of the biggest of these groups.
Posted by Residentevil
It will be an expensive next four years here in the US
Posted by kimcheeboi
let's say this war has cost us about 200 billion dollars (close enough, its actually 232 bil or somthing like that)..., that means each (EACH) american has paid 1000 dollars toward the war...
kind of tough knowing i don't believe in this war
its gonna be a long-ass 4 years... sigh...
Posted by Residentevil
That is right kim. The ordinary Americans are paying the price and the black man, the white man, the yellow man and the red man are paying with their lives, while Bush and his buddies (Halliburton, Lockheed Martin, the oil industry, weapon executives and others are getting rich)
Posted by kimcheeboi
doesnt that just piss you off?
Posted by scotsboyuk
@Residentevil
Isn't that a somewhat similar situation to Vietnam?
Posted by Residentevil
Vietnam could have been won. However, the politicians were in charge and not the generals. War is just another business as any other business. How many rich kids have died in Iraq so far? - None. How many ppl died/MIA in Vietnam? ~58,000. Now veterans benefits are getting cut. How many ppl die each year in alcohol related car accidents? ~50,000. Who cares. Alcohol tax is high and lines the pockets of the industy and the government.
More ppl/family members/visitors get killed buy their own guns, than intruders into houses of gun owners. However, gun safety/locks are not considered by the GOP to not lose the support of the NRA.
It is not about the american ppl. It is all about the bottom line. Sad but true.
Posted by kimcheeboi
this kind of thing just makes me sad.
Posted by Residentevil
That is what you get when you live in the most free county in the world.
Posted by kimcheeboi
gah!
10,000-15,000 troops beseiging fallujah, and there's estimated to be anywhere 10000 to 100000 civilians inside the city. Rumsfeld says that he's confident that we won't kill 'many' civilians.
Posted by fetzi
you´re sure he didn´t use the "appropriate" wording?
- "collateral damages" -
wow, killing people can sound so polite
Posted by Residentevil
That is the beauty of the english language. For every human misbehaviour there is a nice sounding word.
War dead soldiers in Iraq -heros who died for their country
Civilian terrorist victims - heros who died for their country
civilian casualties - collateral damage
layoff - reorganization
demotion - repositioning
shutting down manufacturing to cheaper mfg. - outsourcing
Making your lobbyists rich - WMD scare tactics
Making your lobbyists rich - There is no global warming
Making your lobbyists rich - no bid contracts
Making the rich richer - taxcut
Posted by ImNxt2Stupid
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Posted by kimcheeboi
Are you related to adt, by any chance?
Posted by Residentevil
Geech, what is his problem. I don't think we talked about John Kerry. The ugly truth must hurt. I would really like to spend my money on american products. btw I drive an american car. But unfortunately most things you buy are Made in China.
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Posted by absinthebri
I support the American economy! I collect Zippo lighters and I drink Jack Daniel's whiskey! Please support America; buy a Zippo and send it to me as a gift!
Posted by kimcheeboi
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first of all, its nice to see that you're quite capable of presenting your case in a intelligent and mature manner.
Does a majority vote mean that the majority is right? Most people were for slavery 200 years ago; so was slavery right back then? Also, i'd hardly call a difference of 3 million votes enough of a significant difference to say "most."
I'm not going to even waste my time refuting the rest of your points.
I can't stand ignorance
Posted by fetzi
think his name & number of posts is a hint..
policy and politeness both start with 'poli' -
which seemingly doesn´t mean nothing..
Posted by RichLok
Another post and run member.. IDIOT!
Posted by Residentevil
What do you guys think Prez Bush needs to work on in his next term?
Posted by fetzi
hairdo?
Posted by ImNxt2Stupid
@RichlokNo some people do have lives.sorry for not being an Esato dork When i have time i will postAnd sorry not a newbee.so who here is ready to abandon there country?
Posted by RichLok
And I apologize for you not being a dork but a hillbilly redneck. I will stop there because I'm not about to stoop to your level. I am not leaving this country but Bush needs to. Too bad you're too ignorant to realize what he's really doing to this world and not just us. But I guess it goes with you being his cheerleader. I have the up most respect for our soldiers but they are fighting a senseless war. You need to open your eyes SON! And realize what's going on!
Posted by ImNxt2Stupid
@RichlokNo some people do have lives.sorry for not being an Esato dork When i have time i will postAnd sorry not a newbee.so who here is ready to abandon there country?
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Posted by kimcheeboi
Hey adt, i mean stupidboy, maybe if you knew how to spell you would make sense! I suggest that we all ignore this lameass, what better way to piss him off? :-D