Posted by magster
Wat do u think abt banning smoking in public areas?
Posted by snap-hiss
There is no reason to smoke.
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Posted by masseur
my general philosophy in life is 'live and let live' but when I have to inhale other peoples smoke well then that impedes on my life and so I fully agree with banning smoking in public places.
smokers are very welcome to smoke away from me and my kids and that is their choice 100% and I respect that
I haven't seen any yet but I wonder if it will happen that there will be smokers only type restaurant/cafes/bars etc?
Posted by absinthebri
I'd happily ban smoking in most public places.
Posted by magster
I totally agree- i work in a hotel and 1day there was a big conference. On their break they all came out 2 reception 2 smoke- it was awful so much smoke in air. That bad even my colleagues who do smoke felt sick-
Posted by Universal Exports
I'd even go as far as to say in all public places. I agree with masseur on that.
Posted by BobaFett
Smokers have d same rights as non smokers. if i wanna light a cig after a dinner or lunch, dont wanna do it on d street! d restaurants etc should make us possible 2 do it. smoke since 15 years, do know how 2 behave myself is it is.
Posted by Universal Exports
But polluting the air isn't a right. It's a... hmmm not really but... sin!
Nah but even if you have the same rights it isn't polite or nice to light a cigaret in a place where many non smokers are...
Posted by Jowi
Its ok
Posted by magster
Well its true u have rights and if u choose 2 smoke thats fine but as masseur said-- not in front line of our kids- if u want 2 shorten yr life thats yr choice but why do 2 these innocent ones
Posted by absinthebri
Yep, we have the same rights. Don't I have a right to go out for an evening and not come home smelling like an ashtray?
Posted by masseur
I disagree that smokers should have the same rights as non smokers.
It is proven beyond any doubt that smoking has many health risks and in cigarette smoke there are over 4000 chemicals of which at least 40 are carcinogenic. Passive smoking is also a proved negative health factor and there are many many law suits going on around the world regarding this. Indeed many public places ban smoking as much for health and safety of their workers as they do for the preferences of their guests.
this is an extreme example but it shows a good point... I am not allowed to take dangerous chemicals into public places etc. the only difference with smoking is that its impact is a much slower process and so people tend to care a little less about it
also governments are slow to react because they get alot of taxes from cigarettes, but on the other hand it also costs alot of money on the health system, and don't even get me started on my thoughts on people who bring illness upon themselves from lifestyle choices having to pay their full health costs themselves!
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Posted by magster
:-D well said-! The smell is enough 2 put u off- im sure some of u smokers have 2 agree with that?
Posted by Universal Exports
Indeed, well said!
Posted by BobaFett
I like smoking. Its my life, my health, my risk. Would never make alcohol forbidden, just because i never drink.
Posted by absinthebri
You're free to smoke, and I have the right not to have to breathe the fumes. I also have the right to a social life. Perhaps smokers should stay at home? ;-)
Posted by Cycovision
I'm a smoker, but I agree totally that smokers should not force others to inhale their smoke against their will. I would never dream of lighting up in a no smoking zone or, especially, around children and I am very considerate around non-smokers, even in areas where smoking is allowed.
The only thing I hate is the way that some non-smokers take their anti-smoking views to extremes, and literally treat ALL smokers like they are the scum of the Earth. This is simply not fair, because not all smokers are inconsiderate. I was once chastised by a particularly opinionated non-smoker for smoking OUTSIDE of a take-away restaurant, claiming that I was inflicting my smoke on people entering and leaving the building! I wouldn't have minded, except I was stood about 5 meters away from the door, and the wind was blowing in the opposite direction!
Have you ever noticed how the worst anti-smokers are usually ex-smokers themselves
Posted by absinthebri
<---- ex-smoker (can you tell?) ;-)
Posted by snap-hiss
There are a lot of public bans starting in the US, are the same things happening in Europe?
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Posted by sn3ipen
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You say that the smokeing do cost the health system that much. I have to dissagree with you there since there was a test on the tv one day that figured out that smokers do have shorter life and it does make sence that a guy that is dying because of cancer when he is 50 years is costing the society less then a guy that is dying when he is 90 years. Just think about it.
The thing you are saying about that smokers should pay for their own health care when they get sick is not very human. Think about if everyone that goes on drug/alcohol and the fat people dont get any help because it is their own fault that they are sick. It is just sick as the word sick itself.
I agree with you guyz that people should not get bad smell or risk their health because of other people's smoking but the thing is that i as a big smoker that have smoked since i was thirteen dont like to go out on the town and take a beer and have to go outside every five minutes. Oh yez i am smokiang that much when i am drinking but if i have to go outside every time i have to smoke and then wait up to 1 hour to get inside i rather stay at a private party or something like that.
I think that non smoking bars will be empty bars because i will stop go out if they make smoking forbiden and i think there is alot of people that agree with me in that and when lots of the smokers rather stay at home instead of going out the non smokers will also stop to go out because there will not be any fun to go on a place that is only half full.
I think there will be alot of trubles when a drunk smoker want to take a smoke and the security guards tell him to go out.
but on the other side i have to agree with the non smokers in that some places it should be ilegal to smoke. I think they should make it ilegal to smoke on places where kids is alowed to come inside because i dont like the thoughts about that smokers is making the kids feel uncomfortable. Then again forexample the pizzaplaces will maybe try to make it 16year to come inside so they can have smokers so it is not so easy to decide.
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Posted by BobaFett
Think this is a kind of endless conversation. Ebody in case of smoking can take responsibility 4 him/herself in d public,if some dont give attention in d public 4 nonsmokers,i cant help.i can and many others here as i c.
Posted by BlackAdder III
To meet ebodys needs, there should be areas for smokers and da same for non smokers!
Posted by Dj Boyi
For years in our old traditional UK pubs you will notice some have a seperate room with the 'smoke room' frosted glass window on the door,its nothing new.I agree about not smoking in some places,like supermarkets and shops,but if im walking down the street and want to smoke,then i have every right to do so! And if anyone complains about that!,then they would prolly get a fag stubbed out on their forehead!
Posted by spike731
Smoking should definately be banned ANYWHERE that smokers come into contact with non smokers, I always avoid smokey atmospheres like pubs, but at the moment there is nothing to stop inconsiderate smokers from poisoning me on the street, bus stop etc. How smokers think they have some kind of right to do this is truly beyond me!, and I really enjoy paying for their self inflicted health problems.
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Ah ha! ... Amen.
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Posted by boto43
Really good discussion about smoking. I am just curious to know how many ppl die of smoking in western countries and how many ppl die of starvation in third world countries. Because smoking isn't such deadly in Iraq like killing and starvation
Posted by Vlammetje
That may be true, but the topic is smoking so lets not bring any other worldly topics into
I mean, AIDS is a killer too but it's got nothing to do with the topic.
Now.... this discussion is of particualr interest to me as since 1st of jan we have a law in place that basically provides every worker with a right to a smoke free working space. Working in a hotel, this is easier said then done, especially for our waiters and bartenders. It's a work in progress right now.
Thre is one point I would like to add to the current convo. Something that is commonly overlooked in the discussion of smoking or non-smoking, but will probably become an increasingly large issue.
It is a fact that people nowadays suffer from more allergies and more 'airpipe' defeciencies (or is the word 'respitory diseases'? think asthma and the like) then they did, say 50 years ago. This has to do with all the crap we breath in every day (think cars, factories and ciggies alike, also our beloved mother nature incidentally makes a contribution) and the crap we eat every day (think our food is even remotely natural?? Forget it)
As a simple result of our 'welfare' and 'economics', we have an ever growing group of ppl who have trouble breathing even when the air is 'clean'. This ever-growing group of ppl are the ones that suffer the most from smokers in their presence. And they have no defense at all.
So if only for the sake of those ppl, I would support smoke free areas and sepearte smoking areas, physically separated from eachother by shut doors and such.
just as every smoker feels he has a right to smoke, every non smoker has a god-given right not to inhale 'second hand' smoke.
Posted by boto43
You are good anti smoker. Maybe you are a doctor. I'm sure u haven't understood what I meant. Topic of non smokers places isn't so important as discussion about more important things. What about talk Spanish' bombing. I hope u r able 2 understand.
Posted by magster
Thats another topic and more serious- u r right. Absolutely awful- my friend brother injured in it.
Posted by grammo
As soon as they ban farting in public places, I'll stop smoking in them
Posted by Dj Boyi
:-D lol
Posted by BobaFett
:-)
Posted by boto43
Some1 spoke of free democratic society in western countries and compared to unfree arabs /muslims/ states.And now suddenly some1 wants a ban of smoking. I dont understand it. Who can explain it to me. Who rights vialates smoker, apart from his own health. I think democracy would be so kind to allow abuse people their health. Afterwards we may say we are better then muslims.By the way I stoped smoking.
Posted by GodzRekordz
@Cycovision
I agree with you 100% and I try to do the same.
I have even sat in a house where my friend who smoked lived and asked his housemate 'do you mind if I light up'
And here is something to think about, In the UK the tax on tobacco more than pays for the NHS every year, so in a very dark and macabre way I am paying for my own hospital teatment in later years.
Now where did I put the flameproof suit