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Posted by Super G
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/68/34371.html

Or said otherwise: UIQ beaten by S60 (is that a surprise really )
I like that part of the article:

"As a smartphone, we enjoyed using the N-Gage more than we did Sony Ericsson's new P900. Much as we liked the P900's hardware, we didn't get on so well with its UIQ user interface. We weren't keen on its look and feel, and found it slow and unresponsive to use. The N-Gage's shares the P900's Symbian OS foundation, but uses Nokia's own Series 60 UI. It's not only more aesthetically pleasing than UIQ, but felt quicker to use.

We ran Apple's iSync to transfer nearly 300 contacts to the N-Gage via Bluetooth. The software detected the device immediately, and the sync was fast and free of the 'will it work this time or not' uncertainty we experienced with the P900.

Scrolling through the list of names was reasonably quick, but jumping to a letter made tracking down the right individual even fast. Select them, and up come their details. Scroll down to phone numbers - highlighted with telephone or mobile icons - or email address, and initiating a call or sending a message is a click away.

Calendar entries are similarly easy to read, cramming in not only appointment details, but day, week and month views that are pleasant to read. There's no need to squint. On the basis of the P900's UI, we decided we couldn't move from our trusty PalmOne Tungsten to a smartphone. Having tried Series 60 on the N-Gage, we're no longer so sure."



Posted by JohnM
You can't compare a handset like the Ngage (which is essentially a gaming device) with a P900 which is still a phone but manages to incorporate PDA functionality. A better comparison would be between a P900 and 6600.

Posted by Krubach
@Super G

Isn't that an advertising page? It sure looks like one...

@The guy who made the article:
...as previously stated before:
NOT COMPARABLE!



Posted by mmsman
lol that's one heck of a dumb article
lol it's just like saying series 40 is faster than s60
ah what the heck i'm not going to go into this again....
@super g: i guess you don't have a p900 eh?

edit: actually i had a look at the two revies p900 and n-gage and as far as i can see they think p900 is better except for the ui which they think it isn't good.....

[ This Message was edited by: mmsman on 2004-03-02 12:30 ]

Posted by Krubach
This isn't about Super G.
He just posted an article written by someone else.
I'm sure he is laughing as much as we are.

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[ This Message was edited by: Krubach on 2004-03-02 12:32 ]

Posted by mmsman
well actually i have read the p900 review and he is actually very fond of the device so....
and well he isn't really comparing the two phones he just pointed out the s60 is still an excellent ui, he just mentioned that uiq isn't in his opinion that good because it doesn't have a "real" today view etc.
and about the sync he only mentioned that nokia has better sync with macs than se...

so i don't get the point of this thread

@krubach: ok i think we all know that super g is a nokia die hard fan and he IS luaghing but not because of the artivle itself but because they say nokia is better than se......
which they btw don't say....


Posted by andrew99
Here's a few more comments on the n-gage...

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/35955.html

just to stir things up!

[ This Message was edited by: andrew99 on 2004-03-02 13:15 ]

Posted by JohnM
Iike it

Posted by Flying Finn
Quote:

On 2004-03-02 13:05:00, JohnM wrote:
A better comparison would be between a P900 and 6600.




As what comes to the features theregister tested, the N-Gage is pretty much identical with the 6600 (both being Series 60). If you compare the N-Gage to the 3650 respectively, the only difference is the lack of camera and the addition of stereo sound for the mp3 player and FM radio (the N-Gage also has more RAM to run the games but that's a hardware thing).

[ This Message was edited by: Flying Finn on 2004-03-02 13:37 ]

Posted by Super G
Absolutely no point in this thread at all... or...

I just thought it was funny that for once a news website acknowledged some good points of N-Gage vs other device, here P900.

At the end it goes down to Series 60 vs UIQ. Not very comparable in term of UI itself as they use two different approaches, but still the comparison in terms of responsiveness, intuitiveness and clarity still holds for these smart phones, as for a smart phone (obviously not a Smartphone (r)), the UI and OS are very important.

Posted by ac
IMHO, the N-Gage and the P900 are too different to be compared. The P900 in any case is superior. But if the N-Gage was a little smaller and without the moronic side-talking problem things would have been VERY different.

Posted by tom_riddle
i dont think nokia n-gage is comparable to a p9.

Posted by mmsman
actually i think we are not comparing p9 to a n-g but uiq to s60......

Posted by BobaFett
This comparing thing is a joke by my opinion. Of course u can compare everything with everything, but only if there is a certain kind of logic.

Posted by Red_Five
At the end of the day, they are just 2 differnt phones doing different things.

If you want a phone which can double up as a PDS, get a P900.

If you want a doner kebab which makes phone calls and plays games, get an N-Gage.

If you just want to debate which is better, go away and find a N*kia forum.

Posted by Flying Finn
So this "Other manufacturers" forum isn't for Nokia but other non-SE brands

Posted by DragonEye
both o/s have their benefits.. series60 is kinda long winded..but has to be becasue there's no touch screen.

my biggest pet peeve with uiq is that most apps rely on a task manager to close them... all apps should have the option to close and exit like in series 60.

Posted by jomni1
He's even comparing the series 60 with the Tungsten! I think the reviewer does not know the real meaning of "PDA". It's more than just calendars and contacts.

Posted by ppcrockar
The Register has never written any good articles anyway, so why should this be any better?

Posted by Krubach
Quote:

all apps should have the option to close and exit like in series 60.



That's a software design issue, not UIQ. Lot's of PX00 apps have that option.
But i think that the OS itself (Symbian 7) could check for inactive apps and close them, probably that's the way Symbian 6.1 works.

Posted by andrew99
@ ppcrockar
what have you got against el reg? I usually find it quite amusing... Anyway the article is not just slagging off nokia, just the n-gage as we now see it. I'm sure the next version of the n-gage will be quite a lot more impressive.

[ This Message was edited by: andrew99 on 2004-03-03 12:44 ]

Posted by Super G
Quote:

On 2004-03-03 11:52:08, ppcrockar wrote:
The Register has never written any good articles anyway, so why should this be any better?




This message was posted from a T610




Here we go. Now The Register is never writing any good articles. How dare they say N-Gage is better than P900 *in some areas*?! Naughty register.

This must be a bad article as well then.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/68/34308.html

And this one too.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/35778.html


Posted by gforce23
Hahaha...

Posted by Spy
Come on guys n-gauge is a great device

Posted by ppcrockar
@ Super G

Yes those articles aren't any better. I stand by my statement that I don't like the articles at The Register. But that is clearly not an opinion that one is allowed to have....

[ This Message was edited by: ppcrockar on 2004-03-03 20:43 ]

Posted by DragonEye
Quote:

On 2004-03-03 13:14:29, Krubach wrote:

That's a software design issue, not UIQ. Lot's of PX00 apps have that option.
But i think that the OS itself (Symbian 7) could check for inactive apps and close them, probably that's the way Symbian 6.1 works.




yes but pretty much all the stock apps.. communicam, pictures video etc..ect.. don't have a close option. or is there a big secret button somewhere that i don't know about. third party apps is design... but stock apps????


Posted by andrew99
@ppcrockar

What do you mean "that is clearly not an opinion you are allowed to have" ? I was more curious to know why you have that opinion, wasn't meaning to challenge you for having it...



Posted by mmsman
andrew99:
i think he was replying to super g.....

Posted by gforce23
:-):-)

Posted by andrew99
oh well. totally off track anyway.

n-gage is a poor implementation of a mobile gaming device - but quite a good idea. It runs series60, which is the biggest volume smartphone system. Series60 and UIQ have different philosophies about how to use smartphones, and depending on what you want (touchscreen or not) you are likely to prefer one or the other. However it has to be said all things being equal, you would expect a UIQ device to cost more than series 60 - so it should be better...

Posted by gforce23
How about a sony PSP based smartphone?

Posted by ppcrockar
@ andrew99

My above comment about The Register wasn't directed towards you.

I've just read a few articles about UIQ v3.0. It will be available in versions that works wit or without touchscreen, and programs written for it will work on both types of devices.

Posted by andrew99
UIQ v3 - sounds quite interesting.
given the whole symbian situation wrt nokia having by far the largest holding, do you think is going to have to come up with an alternative os strategy?


Posted by gforce23
Also, they have an eye on palm source.

Posted by Super G
Quote:

On 2004-03-03 21:42:57, ppcrockar wrote:
@ Super G

Yes those articles aren't any better. I stand by my statement that I don't like the articles at The Register. But that is clearly not an opinion that one is allowed to have....

[ This Message was edited by: ppcrockar on 2004-03-03 20:43 ]



Of course you can have that opinion... (you're having it in fact).
It just sounds funny to me, that's it...
(Not all articles are good in The Register, I can agree to that, but at least they have something I like: objectivity )


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