Posted by Flying Finn
With 2 million units sold since last October, according to chairman and CEO of Nokia, Jorma Ollila.
Posted by Smoke dog
How come I'm not surprised?
Posted by BobaFett
What about p9? Any info?
Posted by #1
Here in Asia it will definitely be NOKIA. Maybe in Europe, it is Sony Ericsson - or maybe, even covered by Nokia too. Nokia really dominate the cellular phone market at present. Well how about those 3G phones in Japan?
Posted by draak1
I don't believe it.
I don't trust Nokia,just like with the N-GAGE.
Posted by Flying Finn
I believe it when the CEO of Nokia says it in front of the worlds press.. and we are talking about the number of phones SOLD.. with the N-Gage there were a lot of rumours from different sources and Nokia only mentioned the number of phones delivered.
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Posted by Fritz24
Off topic I know but I really think you should change your signature Flying Finn. I'm an
user and I'm disappointed to think that you hate me for that reason alone.
Posted by draak1
The last time Nokia says,that the sell more N-GAGE's,until this was not true.
That is why i not believe it,not agains you but for Nokia.
[ This Message was edited by: draak1 on 2004-02-23 14:54 ]
Posted by Super G
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You dont have to believe it and live in denial
6600 has been very successful. I notice it when walking in the street, like I notice T610 has been very successful.
And 9500 will sell very very well.
Same price range as P900, yet so much more is offered! (besides an additional 50grams
) Previous communicators were very successful (I remember the time when 9210i was the best selling PDA phone), and this one comes filling a huge gap. Though, having to wait for Q4 may be a bit tough.
Posted by Flying Finn
I don't think he would simply lie or make up numbers in a direct press conference.. I watched it and he said something like "I am pleased to announce that the Nokia 6600 smartphone has become the worlds best selling smartphone with two million units sold since last October".
I mean, it's easier to believe than when it was the N-Gage.. because the 6600 really is a good phone.
[ This Message was edited by: Flying Finn on 2004-02-23 15:01 ]
Posted by draak1
The P900 sell good to,but the only reason why the 6600 good sell is it brandname and the price.
Posted by Smoke dog
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That it is, if only it had stereo output, a radio and more email options. I would be using a 6600 instead of a P900.
Posted by Flying Finn
But it still satisfies many.
Posted by jomni1
Yes the 6600 satisfies most people. Since not eveyone isreally particular about getting the top-of-the-line all-in-one device. Nokia's target market is everyone while SE's market are the more sophisticated one. Demographics would show that there are more people who like simple things so I'm not surprised the 6600 was a success. I see people carying that particular model everywhere I look here in my country.
Posted by Sony Ericsson Indonesia
i have a 6600 and i sprayed it orange hehe
Posted by Payalnik
Am I mistaken or nokia lied about the games on ngage. They said the games are only playable on engage while they can be started on all the platform 60
Posted by Avatar235
I wonder if he means 'sales to dealers'. Maybe people arent buying it, but the shops are in blind hope...
Posted by prodjsxb
N-Gage
... wait no... its Nokia aaaah thats better
Posted by d_a_r_k_n_e_z_z
hands down nokia is still the numero uno with 40% of the mobile market cornered with the help of the 6600. truly the pioneer in the mobile industry ever since. that hurts huh SE fanatics?
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Posted by senninha
sure and GM sells more cars than Porsche too but i doubt Porsche feels bad about it...
like GM, nokia targets the whole market while SE focuses on specific segments. SE does not put too much effort into the low end market segments, which is where all the volume is.
Posted by d_a_r_k_n_e_z_z
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yes but who owns porcshe now? the low end market is where the profits are and with out it your company will die a slow agonizing death.
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something that is complex and sophisticated is not always the best and reliable. what is simple is better.
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Posted by senninha
porsche, like bmw, is an independent company. both are among two of the most profitable car companies in the world. unlike your american big 3 who are bleeding like anything and constantly losing market share to imports.
just goes to show that size isn't everything.
Posted by Flying Finn
I doubt that focusing on a small part of the market will help SE gain much market share. And that's what SE fans dream of, gaining market share, right?
I'm afraid no single SE phone is going to "kill Nokia".
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Posted by senninha
i personally don't think overall market share or to be the no. 1 or 2 manufacturer is that important. after all, in any industry, profits in the low-end market are always razor thin and the risks can be very high.
what is important is that the company is profitable, which it is now becoming in only its 2nd year, and that it is the top performer or among the top performers in the segments it competes in, which it is.
the role of SE, i believe, is to create demand for services that will ultimately fuel the need for more advanced network equipment from Ericsson, and to become a channel for content from Sony. SE is not the be-all and end-all for either of its parents.
Posted by draak1
If SE so populair like Nokia,than will SE even sell more phone like Nokia.
So Flying finn,you said"no single SE phone is going to kill Nokia"
You are very wrong,look at the P900,the P900 beat the 6600,look at the T610,the T610 beat the 7250i or the T100,the T100 beat the 2xxx or the 1xxx from Nokia just like the T220.Or the P800,the P800 beat the 7650 or 3650 and the T630 will beat the 6230 to,you know why just look at the interface and the screen from the 6230 and the interface from T630
Flying finn,i think your are in dreamland from Nokia
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Posted by Vlammetje
can't really be bothered to read most posts, i fear it's much of the same age-old argument. just wishing to point out one thing here:
announced a few months ago they will for the time being focus solely on the high end market. reason is that that is where their strength lies at this moment.
As
needs to focus on establishing the brand name (much unlike Nokia) they will do that (via high end phones now) and not start battling large-scale in the low end market until their seat in high-end is a lot more secure than it is now.
Posted by 50Cent
The Nokia 6600 is lighter and more of a phone. The P900 is basically a PDA. So it depends on wht you are looking for...phone or PDA. For this reason i got the Nokia 6600. Aslo me being a student the P900 would never fit in my blazer pocket!
Posted by gforce23
The N6600 certainly deserves to be the best selling Nokia. However, N6600 outselling the P900/P800??? I can't take this.
Posted by sheebybabe
I am just glad that I have one!
Posted by draak1
Twista.................very funny
:D
The SE P900 (115 õ 57 õ 24 mm)Nokia 6600 (109 x 58 x 24 mm)
Aslo me being a student the P900 would never fit in my blazer pocket!
:D
Posted by 50Cent
hehe, i would have to keep it in my bag which is pointless. The 6600 is a perfect fit.....but i cant put much else in there, except a packet of gum, hehe. Oh yeah, its a really good phone aswell!
Posted by gforce23
I agree with u draak.
Posted by Vertical Mind
Who cares wich smartphone sells the best as long as everyone are happy with there perticular choise of phone.
Posted by mixin
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phones beat the nokia phones at what exactly?
Posted by Vlammetje
who cares really?
Posted by draak1
Yah who cares,not me.
I anwser only the question from Fying Finn..............."I'm afraid no single SE phone is going to kill Nokia"
That's all.
Posted by jomni1
I used to own a P800... became quite bored with after a year. when the P900 came out, I can't beleive they're selling it for such a high price. SE phones are expensive and complicated for most people!!!
Nokia phones are not, that's why they are easier to sell.
In my case, I swithced on to a Pocket PC phone for half the price and did not regret doing so. Need something more of a real PDA anyway.
(N6600 = Smartphone... PHONE with some PDA functionalities)
(P800/900 = somewhere in the middle)
(Pocket PC Phones = PDA with basic phone functionalities)
The only thing I do with a phone is make calls and send sms. I don't need the other phone features like profiles, call forward, speaker phone, etc so I guess a PPC Phone is more for me.
This goes to show that everyone has their own needs. Most people don't need anything too high-tech so they go for a Nokia.
Posted by Vlammetje
no.. you didn't.
You pointed out many a phone
Posted by mixin
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Me, thats why i asked?
Posted by gforce23
Any idea when the n6620 will be available?
Posted by aaronkhoo
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it's an America-only phone. for now, at least. Nokia may release a europe/asian version to statisfy its penchant/fetish for releasing many different versions of the same phone.
Posted by gforce23
Dude, its an american triband phone. It can be used in the 1800mhz band across asia.
Posted by mmsman
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well actually it isn't the same price
because it isn't out yet!
christ
so you can predict the price of a p900 in q4? i mean
sony ericsson even presented their lineup for 2004 and there was a p1000 so p900 should be really cheap then (much like p800)
i mean it was the same with 6230 and with all presentations if you are going to compare phones that aren't out and some that are already available for 4 months then i would compare neonode with p900
Posted by gforce23
So much more than the p900? Does it have a touch screen for starters?
Posted by Smoke dog
Will there be a Euro version of the Nokia 6620?
Posted by gforce23
U can use the 6620 in Europe in areas where 1800mhz band is used.
Posted by Flying Finn
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Helicopters don't need wings
The Series 80 UI is built around the QWERTY keyboard and is supported by a diagonal pad that can act as a mouse cursor.
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You are very wrong,look at the P900,the P900 beat the 6600,look at the T610,the T610 beat the 7250i or the T100,the T100 beat the 2xxx or the 1xxx from Nokia just like the T220.Or the P800,the P800 beat the 7650 or 3650 and the T630 will beat the 6230 to,you know why just look at the interface and the screen from the 6230 and the interface from T630 |
Isn't this thread about the 6600 already having beaten the P900? The T610 may have sold more than the 7250i (I don't know) but it didn't kill Nokia. Look at the market share development. What are you basing this "T100 and T220 beat Nokia 1xxx and 2xxx"? The 1100 hit the stores in early 2004, the T100 in 2002. I don't know anything about the global sales of the T100 vs the 2100. The T220 doesn't compete with either 1100 or 2100 and has probably sold less than the 3100. The 7650 was the best selling camera phone (and digital camera, lol) of 2002 in Europe, I can imagine it having sold more than the P800. In early 2003 it was replaced by the 3650 and I can see the P900-6600 phenomenon here as well. A broader user field. Sales wise anyway.
With the 6230 vs. T630 you are purely speculating. By its features, the 6230 looks very strong compared to the T630. Did you know that the T630 became available in Finland only a few days ago? It doesn't even have a launch date advantage everywhere (one that matters anyway).
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Posted by aaronkhoo
@gforce23: yes, but that doesn't make it suitable for launch in Asia/Europe. sure, it can be used there, but five minutes of sunshine does not make it a sunny day.
@Flying Finn: irrelevant perhaps, but a helicopter's rotor blades are its wings. [in fact look at a cross-section and you'll see that they're wing-shaped].
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Posted by shithappens
the 6600 is NOT a smartphone.......just my 2 cents
Posted by Flying Finn
When the 6230 was announced, SE fans said it was a smartphone and can't be compared with the T630. Now when the 6600 has become the best selling smartphone, they say it's no smartphone at all.
btw. I know a thing or two about aviation & aerodynamics. I tried to describe airplane-like wings in a way everyone would understand.
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