Posted by lowrida5656
the headphones act as the aerial.... so if u got no headfones it wont let u activate it becuz theres no aerial
Posted by sheebybabe
Nope it is still the same with the 3200.
Posted by lowrida5656
hahaha that would be right.. nokia cant even work out they could get ok reception if they put a strip or metal up the side of the case... or maybe they dont wanna waste money on a little bit of metal because its 1 of the features they have, just to say they have it......
Posted by hurny
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You looser!! SE cant even figure out HOW to put a radio in a phone, and you bag Nokia for doing so??
Posted by lowrida5656
lol it jus a piece of shit radio i dont want 1... id rather have BT...
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Well you're in the minority- judging from Nokia sales of such phones as these, people rather the radio!!
Maybe one day SE will figure it out and try to put one in.
Posted by Sir-SonyEricsson-man
i got them about 4 weeks ago into my shop
Posted by lowrida5656
did you not understand? i said I WOULD rather BT
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Posted by gelfen
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HPR-20
If you gotta have headphones anyway, what's the diff (other than better UI for HPR-20 wrt radio function)?
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Posted by hurny
Whats the diff? About the cost of the extra headset!!
You can justify it all you like but the fact is, Nokia phones have inbuilt radio's, and come with a headset that simply uses the radio that is in the phone already.
SE phones dont, and last time I checked, the Radio headsets you're talking about cost MONEY, and lots of it. The Nokia headsets are the handsfree that come with the phone.
Thats the diff my friend.
Posted by gelfen
i'm happy to fork out the AUD $30 extra to get a handset with inbuilt
, assuming the price difference between an OEM 
handsfree and the radio headset.
anyway, i prefer the HPR-20 because it operates like a portable radio.
just my 2c
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the point i'm broadly trying to make is that lack of in-built radio is NOT an insurmountable shortfall, if indeed it can be considered one anyway.
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Posted by hurny
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Elegant words my friend
but I find the inbuilt radio very handy, as do many. Anyway- how are they $30??
Posted by lowrida5656
hurney can i ask sumptin? wat kiind of phone do u have is it a p900 like in your aviator? if so y not trade in and get a nokia if u like them so much... an y do u come here? you said sumwere u like SE but you dont like the users, if thats the case y would u cum to a SE forum??? sounds a bit stupid to me
Posted by Ayush
So is the 3200 out? Anyone tested it?
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I own a few phones. I just defend good products, and defend Nokia if irrational SE fans discredit it for an illogical reason.
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You'll find that Flying Finn has that as his signature. I tend to agree sometimes.
In addition, I can go on any forum I like
But thanks for your concern.
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It started shipping on October 21st over here. The only problem that I've heard has been the keypad which some (not so much the users but the critics) don't like.
Posted by lowrida5656
ye there for sale in australia.. there on a 30 plan as i said
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the average mobile doesn't ship with a handsfree in the packet. if you buy an OEM handsfree rather than a cheap knock-off, then the price difference between the radio handsfree and the normal handsfree works out to around $30 - $35
i'm not denying that it might be handy for it to be in-built, but i work in an industry that values the difference between "have to have" and "nice to have". for me,
is far more important because i can obtain radio functionality other ways.
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Yes it does
Every radio phone has a radio headset included.
Posted by Flying Finn
Think of all those users that have some weird colorful covers on their 3XXX phones..BT? They couldn't care less. I'm not saying Nokia is good only for users like them though. Remember the features that the 6230 and the Series 60 & 80/90 phones have. And yes, a radio headset comes with every Nokia that has an FM radio. Except the 6510 in some markets. All the other FM radio phones (8310, 7210, 6610, 5100, 7250, 7250i, 3200, N-Gage, 6800, 6810, 6220, 6230, 7700, 7600, 7200, 5140, 3300, 2300) have them in the sales package. Nokia has also had an add-on MP3/FM radio for years but it only comes with 32MB internal memory. It's good for phones like 3310, 3510, 8210 etc. Here it is:
Recently they announced a new Pop-port radio
Sorry for the long reply
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average = no inbuilt radio
i was talking about the difference for a non-radio equipped mobile (such as is produced by nearly every other mobile manufacturer).
@Flying Finn:
have also had radio handsfrees for years in various guises (HPR-08, HPR-11, HPR-20). i believe HPR-08 was the first radio handsfree for a mobile, but i'm happy to be corrected on that
i reiterate: i'm not denying an inbuilt radio would be nice, but it isn't essential. but then for me a mobile is a tool, not a toy. radio functionality can be achieved other ways, and with a better UI than having it built into the phone.
personally, i like the nokia 6230 (i have no need of a smartphone) and can imagine getting something similar as my next mobile because it's an "all in one" - but as it's the first of it's kind wrt expandable memory in a non-smartphone i'm happy to wait for the revised version six months later when the bugs are ironed out. at the moment i have a phone that meets my needs (including HPR-20
) and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.
i need bluetooth, triband and good screen. i don't need a radio. speakerphone would be nice too, but i don't need that either
have to have vs. nice to have
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Posted by hurny
You can keep convincing yourself.
It seems to me, that whatever SE doesnt happen to have on a phone (eg. radio), SE fans just say they dont 'need' it, or even that is 'sucks'!!
The brand loytalty never ceases to amaze me.
Sad really.
You even said that you could imagine yourself getting something 'similar' to the 6230.
You'll either HAVE to get a 6230, or wait a damn long time for another brand to bring out a phone with the same list of awesome features.
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what brand loyalty?
i've only ever owned one mobile. i admit that historically i've always liked ericsson products, but i also like some nokias. when it came to finally getting a phone i weighed up what was available against my needs and wants. it just so happened that a z600 best fulfilled my requirements this time. three words above all dictated my choice: fit for purpose.
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i can imagine myself owning a 6230 because i can see my needs growing in future. but by then i might also need a P900. i don't have one because i don't need it.
in actual fact the 6230 was a looonnnnggg time coming. there's nothing new in the technology, but kudos to nokia for being the first company to finally put it all together. it's biggest problem is that it's not available now, otherwise i probably would have bought it depending on price.
i don't give a stuff who makes the phone, as long as it's high quality and meets my needs. and i won't have to wait that long for someone to make a 6230 clone either. within 12 months mobiles with 6230 specs or better will become the default mid-high end phone. not to mention the inevitable 6230i to iron out the bugs (and don't tell me there won't be bugs, any first run model of anything always has bugs).
Posted by sheebybabe
Hey anyone care to post a sample pic taken with a 3200??? Anyone please???
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Good for you. But the users that the phone in question is targeted at, probably don't agree. You sound like a business user commenting on a flashy little fashion phone. As if somebody tried to make you replace your T610 or whatever with a 3200! Nonononono. Anyway. The 3200 has a loudspeaker and Wireless BT Audio Adapter (so you can use BT headsets with it) support in case somebody wants handsfree.
Posted by hurny
@ gelfen,
I wasnt talking about only you. It was a collective comment aimed at many!!
Posted by gelfen
@ flying finn: i'm not denying that the 3200 is a neat package, i was just pointing out that lack of in-built radio in other mobiles isn't a deal breaker. i seriously doubt anyone actually needs a radio built into their handset, no matter how much they might like it. my main gripe with the 3200 is not it's feature set, but it's appearance (as i said on page one of this thread). hurny mentioned above the disadvantages of buying a plug-in radio unit for a phone. i'm sure much the same argument applies to a plug-in bluetooth adapter (which, btw, ericsson was the first to produce many moons ago). it's just a case of priorities for the user
@ hurny: ok. it just seemed to be aimed at me. i'm not a die-hard
fan. i am, however, a fan of getting myself the best deal. [ This Message was edited by: gelfen on 2003-12-04 02:44 ]
Posted by DragonEye
i used my friends .. and the faceplate part is terrible... hope you can swap it for something nicer. like a solid design no cardboars cut outs please.
overall phone is decent works like a 7250(i) not driect irda.. whcih sucks.. cam is better then the t610 not as classy though... but i thought the t610 was ugly t00..i like the t630 look much better.
Posted by lowrida5656
lol i could get a bluetooth adapter thing for my v60.... they anything new...
Posted by sheebybabe
Any pictures taken with a 3200 please?
Posted by Ayush
Yeah pics pls. :-D
Posted by lowrida5656
i put one in the first post.. i searched on goole images but culdent find n e more..
Posted by akismei
hello
i recenlty bought the nokia 3200 as a second mobile phone and i am very pleased with it.
can you tell me how to upload some pictures that i took with my phone???
Posted by lowrida5656
this isnt really the right post to be askin in... but when i think bout it how do u upload pics via infared cuz u cant send them, can u?
Posted by hurny
If you have infrared on your computer (eg and USB infrared adaptor etc..), then you just have to install a phone manager like Oxygen Phone Manager onto your computer and you can transfer anything from or to your phone.
You'll be able to get versions off the internet readily enough. Try searching for a 'yahoo group' (groups.yahoo.com).
Try searching for Series 40, or 3200, or 6610, 7210. Any similar phones.
The group may have OPM there to download.
It may even be available somewhere else, so try a google search.
Posted by akismei
you have misundestood me.i have transfered the pics to my computer but i can not find any way to post them here.
the ir-port of the phone is not locked.you can transfer pics and sounds to other phones e.g. siemens s55.
i also tried with my panasonic gd87 but failed.the nokia 3200 accepts pics and sound from my gd87 but it failed to transfer pic and sounds to gd87!!!
Posted by hurny
Awesome- well there you go. You answered one of the threads quesions!
Go to www. uploadit .org and then select a file to upload, then post the web address it gives you onto the forum
Put the address between [img] and [/img]
Then it will appear
Posted by mmsman
You know hurny your stupidity amazes me...... I 've read this forum now because i wans't very active lately but i have to say that flying finn is ok and i'm happy that he is here because he knows some things about phones and he's allways objective but you well, you say that you don't like se users because they post crap and yes alot of them do but you
you post more crap than any other guy i know, I agree 3200 is a good phone so i'm not talking about this, but you you have said that se can't figure out how to have an inbuilt radio that's just stupid, almost every person agrees that se has the best technology like for instance, the developer of bluetooth, first with colour screen, first with 100m bt, first with mms, first with gprs and on and on and you really believe that se can't do a radio?!? se produces the hpr 20, why ? because it's cheap and it's ideal for people that listen to radio, I think that se aren't going to put a radio in their phones and nokias are more expensive than se phones that is a fact and you can't say that it isn't true and i have figured out that for the price difference in every competitng model you buy yourself a hpr-20
plus the hpr 20 is alot better, i'm talking this from my experiences and from some reviews, why? it has an outside display, alot better sound, and it's small and light, so I would never understand nokia fans like you.....
you said that thebrand loytalty never ceases to amaze you, but you are talking such that every one can see thatyou are a hardcore fan of nokia, and please answer me this: do you have any se phones and if not you can't talk about bad systems and things like that, do you know how many sites and newspapers gave a 90% score to t610 and to p900? but nooooooooo you still think it's crap!
you said quote about the 6230 : _or wait a damn long time for another brand to bring out a phone with the same list of awesome features_
so what are you stupid or what, man the whole internet is talking about sl65 and t650 and other new mobiles and you think that the 6230 is a one and only,
I mean the p800 was the best for two years because they have presented it alot before but p900 is the best only for a month, why? because se decided to release phones alto quicker when they are announced! How about sendo x? are you blind or what? it's going to be realesed amost half a year before and it's a better phone!! christ you really think that nokia is the best don't you?
You don't even want to smell stuff like sendo, sharp, siemens, se, mtorola etc?
but ok i don't care live in your dreamworld......
Posted by Flying Finn
Just to defend Nokia
Nokia had the first phone with a game and multiplayer mode (6110 in 1998 - and some would say it's a stupid idea..), the first WAP phone (7110 in 1999), the first integrated antenna phone (8810 in 1998), one of the first if not the first IrDa phone (9000 in 1996 & 6110 in 1998), the first phone with a LARGE screen (2110 in 1994) the first phone with user exchangeable covers (5110 in 1998), the first integrated camera phone (7650 in 2001), the first phone with as many as 4096 colours (9210 in 2000 and 7650 in 2001), the first phone with a speakerphone (9000 in 1996 & 7650 in 2001), the first phone with downloadable ringtones and logos (2110 in 1994 & 9000 in 1996 & 6110 in 1998), one of the first phones with poly ringtones (7650 in 2001 - it had 24 channels), the first phone with WAV ringtones (9110 in 1998), one of the first PTT phones (5140 in 2003), one of the first 3G phones (6650 in 2002), one of the first EDGE phones (6200 in 2002) and absolutely the first smartphone - the communicator series since 1996.
Nokia also developed the hugely successful Series 60 user interface which is now used by Siemens, Samsung, Sendo and Motorola (?).
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Posted by mmsman
Yeah i'm not saying that nokia is a bad tech company I think it has done of the best tech phones (well the comm was the best) i was just reffering to hurny's stupid post about se and their bad knowledge of technology......
But i still think that SE is the best technology company (mobile) and that's why I am fond of SE phones......
Posted by joebmc
This 3200 seem's to be aimed at early - mid teens right?
If so surely teens these days have a little more style then to buy a plastic looking phone, seeing as they all want designer this and designer that!
Surely they would want designer looking phone (t610,t68, or a nice looking nokia if there is one) to go with there image's and not the tacky 3200!!!
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Posted by Krubach
@mmsman
@gelfen
Flying Finn is a die-hard Nokia defender. So anything you say to him, he wont understand it, and won't try to.
The Hurny guy is just an a**hole. Forget him.
Posted by Delta 9
I think the 3200 is okay, a slimmed down 7250 wearing a 3100 jacket. But to be honest if the 3200 and a T610 are both free on a contract there is no doubt people choose T610. Even if they don't use Bluetooth, themes etc. people do understand 65 k is better than a 4k screen and 32 poly is better than 16. Besides it just looks better.
People step in my shop telling me they only need a phone to make calls and send messages. Then they leave with a phone that has a colour display, polyphonics, GPRS, IR etc. The box will say Nokia so the argument Nokia understands people needs doesn't really apply. They are just better in selling people things they don't need.
Posted by akismei
we cannot compare 65k screen of the t610 with the 4k screen of the nokia 3200.
the winner is surely the t610 even thought the pictures doesn`t appear as good as in my gd87!
the reason why i didn`t choose t610 and decided to buy the nokia 3200 was the sar level of the t610 and the absence of loudspeaker!
i realy take into consideration the sar level of a mobile phone ,and that is why i have owned a t68i(very low sar level) .but now the t610 has 0,8 sar level and the nokia 3200 has 0,56!!
maybe this looks stupid to some people but i prefer my sar levels low even though i liked the t610 so much.
Posted by gelfen
@ mmsman: dude, i need to take a breath after reading that one. you go boy! i have to agree with the statements you made about the hpr-20 UI (as i have said previously in this thread).
@ Krubach: i know, but i enjoy a good argument - as long as it remains an argument and doesn't degenerate into a slanging match.
@ Flying Finn: it's true nokia may have been first with those things, but one problem i have found with them is that once nokia introduces something they tend not to advance it for a long time afterwards. examples being the prehistoric UI,
implementation, overall appearance/design, screens, polys, 3G features. i will admit, however, lately there have been some exceptions. wrt games, covers and radios, nobody in all honesty needs those things so IMO they can't really be claimed as genuine breakthroughs (although they are good marketing tools).
Posted by lowrida5656
wats "sar level"??
Posted by gelfen
SAR stands for "specific absorption rate", and is a measure of radio wave exposure associated with use of the handset. To quote the standard blurb in the
manuals:
Specific Absorption Rate (SAR) is the unit of measurement for the amount of radio frequency energy absorbed when using a mobile phone
you can check the SAR levels of your handset by going to the
website, selecting your model and click on "Support". there should be links to the SAR information in PDF format.
the main deal with SAR is to limit exposure and reduce your risk of developing cancer from using a mobile phone. theoretically a lower SAR means a lower cancer risk, but there is no real evidence to suggest that mobiles cause cancer. there are plenty of contrary trials and surveys from all over the world.
btw - SAR for Z600 is 0.16 W/kg
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Gee, does that beat me? I only got two pair - two aces, and another two.
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Posted by hurny
I posted here I'm sure of it- now its not there.
Oh well- in a nutshell mmsman,
Finn flogged you mate! Just shows how much incorrect stuff you just put in your posts.
The fact is- Nokia have built in Radio. SE dont.
SE make you buy an extra plug in radio- to make more money!! Its just the same reason why they make memorystick duo's- you have to buy THEIR stuff (Sony). Nothing else will work.
Nokia's memory cards are MMC and you can buy them from anyone.
I have a T68i, T610 and P800 (and an old Ericsson T20e somewhere). I can safely say that Nokia is better.
If you have never owned a Series 60 phone from Nokia (which you havent), then you'll never know what quality is!
If you like SE, then buy SE- They need all the costomers they can get just to stay afloat. Nokia dont. They've got plenty of business (actually the most!!), without friggen SE pansies like yourself buying their stuff.
Suck that!
Posted by gelfen
ooohhhh hurny! did you get stung my friend?
you were getting a little personal there mate.
i think it should be noted that flying finn didn't correct a single thing mmsman said. as far as i could tell neither of them made one factual error. the only differences were in opinion, since they both spoke about different features on different models.
i'm curious as to exactly which nokia you thought was better than a P800.
Posted by 701
@mmsman: is THAT an eloquent speech or what?! Ok, so we can see that u wrote all that in one loooong breath (took me more to read it than 1 breath) but i can safely say that hurny is no match 4 you in terms of tech knowledge or I.Q. Just let him be.
@Flyinng F@^%: i just read ur answer to me and i can say that u r UNABLE to understand a joke and just showed me how prejudist u can be regarding one`s origin. It`s the way i am u should judge, not where I come from. But oh well, YOU r the bigot and the prejudist, not me and i am happy that somebody showed me diff`rent and that`s the way it is.