3G will it work and what about the cost?

Posted by bart
ok in china there is a 3G network and it sells good and it works.
but what about here in europe?? will the operators have enough money and will they make enough money to keep up 3G? UMTS ok fast surfing but it will cost us a fortune! handsets are beeing prepared.

motorola nokia siemens and samsung will have 3G handsets ready at teh end of this year. but how many operators have 3G yet? there are still to many problems whit 2.5G. look at GPRS not every country has it yet. and in some country's the price for GPRS is way to expencive.
and what about the handsets? how much will they cost?they have everything colour schreen big memory camera and much more. that all must cost. a T68 cost much but it will be like 4 T68 so i will cost 4times as much in the begining. en look at all the softwear updates, the bugs and the delay's of new softwear today! what will it be then?
what do you think? is it time for 3G or do we wait another year?

Posted by Fingers
I wouldn't think they'd make it too expensive or it'll never take off, and if they want it to be the next big thing that's just be counter productive. They're (not sure which network) doing a trial at the moment in the Isle of Man with a 3g network, ca't find much info about it just that it's a full 3g service, could be a good place for a visit to see if you can pick up a 3g handset, probably have to be a resident though.

Posted by Xtreme!
go pick up a catalog from carephone warehouse they have the pricess for gprs, prices vary on certain specifications

Posted by Fingers
GPRS is 2.5g not 3g. They must have some nice handsets in the Isle of Man at the moment, they can't be cheap.

Posted by Carajo
If you want to see a "live" 3G (UMTS) network, check out the link below:

http://foma.nttdocomo.co.jp/english/

This foma network from NTT DoCoMo is almost the same as we will have in Europe (almost). It almost uses the same standard for UMTS.

In Europe it is expected to have UMTS by the end of the year in some countries, but there will be delays from the phone and network side. The only networks working in Europe today are test beds. Remember how long it took for GPRS to get to a stable platform.

As for cost, it will depend on what the user wants, a low end phone might run about $300 to $500, qa high end phone, almost like a PDA with cameria, mp3 etc might run about $900 to $1000.... almost the same price as the P800.

Posted by bart
ok i am 17 it took a lot for me to get to 600$ so i could buy the T68m but i want only the best sow how on earth i am goining to get to 1000$.
in japan people love new technologie but in europe only there are only earlyadoptors. japan is far more a head then europe in mobile stuff and ages a head of america.
if a mobile could cost up to 1000$ how much will it cost to use UMTS?
an MMS will cost around 1$! that is more then we expected. a normal SMS cost's around 0.10$ so that's 10 SMS for 1 MMS isnt that expencieve???

Posted by Carajo
Yup, I agree but....... in the sense the low end phones in UMTS will run about $300 to $500. The T68 is in the low end catagory for UMTS.

A low end phone will have MMS, bit rates up to 384kbps, to have a built in camera will run about $600 to $700 for the mid range phones.

So to be honest the cost are about the same between UMTS and GSM when it comes to functionality.

Posted by kolhatkar
The network in question running PROPER 3G is Manx Telecom on the Isle of Man

Its part of the mm02 group (BT Cellnet etc).

Following link worth reading:

http://www.manx-telecom.com/mobile/3g/history.asp

Ish

Posted by Hoggi
The price on 3G all depends on how many users it will have. In the start it will probably be very expensive, but when people starts using it in big kvanta, like GSM phones, the price will go down. It doesen't cost more to produce a 3G phone than a GSM phone, it's the development that is expensive! So if we all get us an 3G phone, the price will be nice!

Posted by bart
i think about 80% of the of the people wont use UMTS. they think surfing whit there phone @ 2MB/sec is usseless for them. they will be glad whit the video phone thing but everybody needs to have a video phone then. a lot of people her in my country have still got a 4year old phone the stupid nokia 5110 they still use it, it is so old. they only think a phone is for calling or for SMS but it's easy to understand them, they have never tryed a good phone! give them a T68 or T39 they would say hey you can get the news info from internet, you can add lovely pictures whit SMS wow a phone and a voice recorder whit a calander! they just dont know what they are missing

Posted by Deltayoda
Sheesh, how many people use GPRS on their phones in the first place? Not many, I believe, even though their phone may support it.

Unless they can make GPRS and 3G more affordable to the average person in the world, I don’t see it going too far (Especially for you people in Europe, pay enough FEES already, hehe)

Also, for all you people saying America is far behind in mobile technology, you should research that again

Sprint is offering great service coverage with Internet access for a very low fee, not to mention awesome reception all over (I’ve been to Europe many times, and the reception sucks in many areas, especially in brick homes). They are also coming out with some great looking color display phones, which seem like a very good competition against any GSM phone trying to take over America, hehe.

Besides that, we have WAP access that’s pretty much "FREE" here, even though practically not many people care (Same goes with GRPS, even though we have it, no one knows it’s there).

Posted by rdlc
U say no one uses or knows about GPRS yet I work in a store here and most of my customers use it and if they dont they know about it. How did you get ur T68 probably from ebay as its hard for u to get hold of. If you look at stats ur find ur following the same trend as europe, u still have analog networks and use pages (hehehehehe) In the Uk we have 99.8% coverage whats the % of coverage in the usa

Posted by rdlc
and why are using a gsm phone then. Europe rules telecommunications any way Nokia, Ericsson, Vodafone, T mobile all world wide and huge all u have is motorola and there pants no style to them at all

Posted by bart
@rdlc you live in the UK, and they are more ahead then other country's
like belgium only 5% of the mobile phone users know what GPRS is and those people are only early adaptors. (thank god i am one of them) but are GPRS price's are the highest of all europe and only 2 of the operators have GPRS.

Posted by Deltayoda
@rdlc

That was an idiotic post.

We still use Analog networks due to the fact that some people may still use analog phones. Even Europe still has analog networks looming around.

I said most people do not know about GRPS because most people here in the US do not know about it at all. As for Europe, I’m sure many people know about GPRS, but how many use it constantly and can they even afford to use it? Heh. I've read on the forums about some hefty prices on GPRS all around Europe, and they seem to vary A LOT.

Now about the US, we already have 3G networks setup in Southern California (Sprint), about half the size of England I bet (Oh, we are so technologically backwards!) Now, as for coverage, look how small England is compared to the entire USA, put some logic in your next post next time.

As for where I purchased my phone, I purchased it online from a Swedish company, not from Ebay, as for why, because I need phone I can use across borders without switching phones. Not only that, the T68 works great with my Ipaq, a very good combination. By the way, it was not "DIFFICULT" to get. You make it sound like I live in Iraq and I'm smuggling phones in.

Posted by john74
All i know is that its gonna cost the networks heaps and someone has to pay for the expences (CONSUMERS)

Posted by rdlc
We pay lots of fees would that be for our national health service your country cant afford one cause of the wars you start on third world countrys. Your coverage around built up areas is appauling no one expects you to have coverage in the middle of a nowhere but somewhere would be a start. Youve made my point when you state that no one knows about it or cares about it thats cause youre countrys behind by a year or two. 3G isnt avalible anywhere in the states thats bullshit there testing down there but it isnt avalible to any one as no 3G licenses have been sold in the usa yet. The only diffrence 3G will make is a much faster connection time you wont see any thing you havent seen before apart from new fancy handsets with built in cameras. The media have hyped this up so much it really isnt that great. Just look at what 3G does and you will see what I mean.

Posted by rdlc
In Europe we can buy are handsets from mobile stores that are scatterd every where. Dont they sell the T68 in your country or dont they bother as they have 3g now (HAHAHAHAHAHAHA)

Posted by Deltayoda
Funny, I recall visiting a Motorola factory, sending equipment to Europe from California to build up GSM networks over to Europe (This was about five to seven years ago). Also, if we are so poor, why do we own so many vehicles and large homes and with such variety to choose from? All I hear is how people in Europe hate America and whine about having so little (Even my cousins and friends).
Please, we don't hate you

Although, I agree that GSM may not be as top notch as in Europe, but that is mostly due to competitions with other cellular providers attempting to prove to the world that there "Technology" is better (Such as CDMA/TDMA, which is a huge competitor against GSM systems in North and South America), not to lack of funds.

As for your "Bullshit no 3G anywhere in the states", take a look for yourself smart ass:
http://www.sprintpcs.com/, and yes, it’s not GSM.

And your "In Europe we can buy are handsets from mobile stores that are scatterd every where.", we have mobile stores scattered all over as well, with a very large variety of phones to choose from, including GSM or CDMA phones. And no, they are not “Black market” phones, as you seem to think of them. You must think we live in the Middle Ages over here, but it’s really not that much different than in Europe.

Do a little research.

And please, spell check you’re writing, it got a little tedious trying to read your typing.

Posted by Bazboy
I think 2 people need to take CHILL pills!!!

OK guys... just to say to Deltayoda... not all Brits hate america or americans.... I LOVE THE DAMN PLACE!!!

I went to CA lastyear for my holiday for 3 weeks.. San Francisco, LA, and then Vegas (ok not CA but hey!!) and it was the best holiday ive had in a long time. To the point that it made me decide that I wanna move there to work n live!!! Its a fantastic place and I met some great people/friends out there now... i carnt wait to come over again and spend more time out there....

About phones now... I love my T68.. heheh

Baz

Posted by t-commobile
Hey guys, I live in the isle of man and well the network over here is so well "crap" it doesnt even support GPRS yet. I know several people that work at Manx Telecom it has all the 3G facilities and they have even tested them but they havent made it available to the public yet and as they have no compation they are unlikly to rush. They have only 3 tarrifs one pay and go one were you pay 35p peak and 20p off peak wich is realy exeopensive and they dont even offer pre-ppay roaming and contracts the cheapest line rental is Ł20 and you have to pay for call minder. Arggggg someone should get the main operaters over here.

Posted by 701
@DELTAYODA:i dont know if u still read this thread-i've read only 12 posts;more now-but us is rediscovering the wheel in the digital mobile comunications!i work 4a mobile prov comp and ..u still have a lot to go until u catch up with europe.it is too much to write from my wap ph now but pls read some more and u'll see