Posted by Anuj
The latest colour phone to hit the market is the Sharp GX20 with video recodring capabilities but the best thing is it's screen:
265,000 colours
Damn ...Why can't :se give us the same on the P900
Posted by lulu ginzburg
he has only 65.000 colors... like the P900
http://mobileshops.fonetasticmobile.co.uk/1/showphones.php?item=789
Posted by Arfi-Gorgona
I think you are wrong the sharp have 65k colour and not 260.000.
Posted by ppcrockar
BTW... does it really matter??? 65k colours is pretty good. Running the PC desktop in 65k colours is mostly good enough (ok sometimes you can notice a small difference if you look very close).
On a screen with such a low resolution like mobile phones I don't think you can tell the difference between a 65k colour screen and a 262k colour screen.
Posted by Anuj
http://www.phones4u.co.uk/shop/shop_contract_details.asp?ItemKey=105949
Look under description ... 260K internal and 65K external !
The number of colours definately makes all the difference mate - Look at the difference of picture quality between a T68i and a T610 - mearly the same size screen.
Miles apart....need i say anymore?
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Posted by lulu ginzburg
They are wrong.... a typpo
Here a test : http://www.mobileburn.com/review.jsp?Id=427
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Posted by Anuj
Well thank god for that then !
Posted by BlackBauer24
DONT BELIEVE THE HYPE
Posted by Anuj
So is the P900 Hype then
Still not on 
website !!!
Posted by TheRealSpawn
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not nearly the same size at all - theres a big difference in screensize
T68i 101x80
T610 128x160
and the T68i has only 256 colors
the T610 has 65.000
and theres a world of difference between 256 color and 65.000 color for the human eye - but you need a trained eye and a highquality monitor to spot the difference between 65.000 and 265.000 - nothing you will ever be able to see on a smallsized phone. The type of screen being used in the phone is much more important than if it has 265.000 or 65.000 colors
Posted by Anuj
Hang on a sec ...this dont make sense....
If the T68i is 256 colours and the T610 is 65K the difference is only 64744 but the difference between 65K and 265K is 200,000 colours how can we not tell the difference ?????
Im sure you can mate! We'll have to wait for a 265K phone to come out first
Posted by wrath000
@Anuj
Think about it this way
On T68 you only have 256 preset colors to express the entire color range
On T610 you have 65000 dynamic colors to express the entire color range
The display on T610 will only fall short if there is more then 65000 different colors in the image
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You can try this on the PC. You will see a large difference between 256 and 65000 colors, but almost no difference from 65000 and upward...
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Posted by GoH
i for one cannot see the difference between 32 bit and 16 bit on my pc monitor...
Posted by TheRealSpawn
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Makes perfect sence for folks that know what Im talking about
Your eye is capable if seing alot more than 256 different colors - actually millions of colors. But once you hit a certain amount of colors the difference between each nuance gets more and more difficult to distinguis. If you take an image with 65000 colors and view it on a 256 colors palete you can clearly see the dithering. But if you take an image with 300.000 colors and view it on a 65.000 color palete its very hard to spot the dithering.
Try opening a 32 bit image on your computermonitor, set the monitor to display only 256 colors, and look at the picture - now its ugly, change the monitor to display 16bit (65000) color and look at the picture, now its pretty, change the monitor to display 32bit (millions of colors) and you will almost not be able to see the difference.
I promise you - you will never be able to see any difference between a phonedisplay with 65k and 265K colors. Its all hype - if anyone says they can
You will be able to see difference if the type used for display change from for instance TFD to TFT or OLED.
Posted by GoH
lets all use CRT phones then. big as hell.
Posted by Coramoor
65000 divided by 256 = 253. Meaning the t610 has 253 times as many colors as the t68. 265000 divided by 65000 = 4. 265000 colors is only 4 times as much.
Posted by ppcrockar
Nice to see that there are a lot of sensible people around here that doesn't fall for simple marketing stunts
Posted by Anuj
So you saying that 65k is the peak and we will not be able to view better quality pics on a mobile phone in the future???
you people love dissin people down dont you ! Especially people like PPcrocker uhh umm!!
Look matey if you are fanatical about :se then its your problem I am to well impressed with their products and also the P800 that i use but if something better comes out (which i cant see at the moment unless the p900 comes out) i'll go for it ! And yes the Colour screen does make a difference to me coz if im spending on the upwards of £500 on a phone i expect it to be the latest technology
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Posted by lulu ginzburg
65k isn't the latest technology...? i don't now any phone with more then that.
I better screen will cost much more then your 500 on itself!! But if it is ok for you to pay 1000 for a phone, ask SE to do it for you
lol
nb: a new screen for the P800 cost allready 150€... and you have to put it yourself for that price
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Posted by nwmq1
Anju: The Neonode (www.neonode.com) will have a 260k colour screen, you should go for that one if you really want a 260k colour phone!
Posted by ppcrockar
I'm not dissing anyone. I'm just saying that the difference will probably not be noticable. Just look at some photos in 65k colours and then look at the same photo with 24/32bit on your computer, and I bet that you can hardly see any difference on most photos. And 24bit is 16 Million colours.
You will see the difference on a computer if you make a transition in high resolution between two colours in photoshop. But with low resolution screens it will probably not be possible to tell even with colour transitions. And most photos doesn't contain enough of hues of one colour to make a difference.
What is more important is the quality of the screen like a good TFT screen.
I've read that the average human eye can see about 4 Millions different colours, but it varies a bit from person to person.
Posted by Arfi-Gorgona
Im sorry guys but you miss something here the p900 has a screen with res 320x208 right? even if this phone has 16milions colour to display you see as much as the resolution allow to see so whats the point? 66560 is the best you can see in this phone if every pixel has dif colour!!!The only thing it helps is the 32bit pallete and only this.
Posted by Anuj
na the neonode's future dont look as bright as it's screen !
If 65K is the latest tech then its fine no problemo i'll be getting the P900 without second thoughts !
you guys not getting the point man ... i said when one spends so much he expects the latest technology...if 65K is the best around i'll be hapy that :se uses it !
Posted by Coramoor
Noone is saying that it doesn't matter. We are just saying that it is not so important. Especially with lcds. There are so many other things that matter. Like what type it is. Stn, tft, backlit, frontlit. This is why the screen on the p800(tft) looks better than the t610(stn) despite the superior number of colors(this is my personal opinion and I know others may have different opinions). If I had the choice between 2 identical phones with the same screen type and size I'd of course choose the one with the most colors. For me the functions of the phone is most important. Of cours having to few colors would make watching images hard and would thus degrade the functions of the phone. But for the time being the 4096 colors my phone can display is enough for most types of pictures. This may ofcourse change with time but..
Posted by Anuj
I totally agree that the screen type makes a difference ! TFT is definately the way forward. sad that the t610 is STN
Posted by Coramoor
I'm gonna argue with myself a little here. First of all. On a pc screen the difference between 16bit and 24bit is fairly easy to see depending on circumstances. Second. While 24bit(16 million colors) is more than you ever need(and in the case of small displays it probably is) But if you get a little more technical about things: You have probably heard the term RGB. This stands for red,green,blue. In the case of 24 bit 8 of the bits are used for the color red, 8 for green and 8 for blue. This means that there's only 256 variations of the color red. This means that if an image consisted solely of red you would in essence only have 256 colors. This of course get's much more severe on a 12 bit display where you only have 8 variations of red. And it is in such \"extreme\" circumstances that you would notice the difference between 65k screens and 265k screens. P.S. There's talk of making new screen cards support 128bit colors. Then you'd have 16M variations of red! Imagine that...
Posted by ppcrockar
@ Coramoor
With photos it's not often that you can tell the difference between 16bit or 24bit. But using colour transitions it is visible. Since the eye can see about 4 million colours you wan't need millions of red tones since you can't see any difference. In fact you shouldn't be able to tell the difference between red colour 210 and 211 for example (with RGB). They are just too similair. 24bit is more colours than anyone can see regardless of the which colour you choose.
Higher colour depth than 24bit isn't useful since the eye can't detect it. The extra 8bits with 32bit displays are used for alpha channels.
And when you're talking about 128bit gfx-cards I think you're referring to the chip technology and not the colour depth.
Posted by Arfi-Gorgona
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loll what else can i say i said it all here you are blind all of you?
IF an 320x208 screen can display only 66560 what on earth you need more than that !!!!!! And how you guys compare the pc with this small res screens?Only if someone is BLIND cant see a difference between 16bit and 24bit in a photo exept you look the photo in 320x200 res loll enough said.
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Posted by Sir-SonyEricsson-man
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If you would read right you would se there stands nothing about 260k screen or do you?????
x
Posted by Coramoor
@ppcrockar: If placed right next to eachother you would probably be able to see the difference between red color 210 and 211. Imagine a red line going from the top of the screen to the bottom of the screen. This line is bright red at the top and fades on the way down eventually becoming totally dark(black). If, like the p800 you have 320 pixels on the way down even 24bit is inadequate. And 12bit is certainly inadequate. This is as I said \"extreme\" and isn't normally a problem. And no. I did not mean 128 bit graphic chip(that wouldn't exactly be news anyway) and just because 32 bit 24 bit means just as many color this wouldn't be the case 128bit.
Posted by wrath000
Of course there is a difference. Just not nearly as much difference as between 256 and 4096. It's just a luxury problem. How many colors do you really need to see on such a small screen? It's not like you will be using the phone for graphic-intensive applications. I guess my point is that, when manufacturers go above 65000 colors, they do it mostly for marketing possibilities, or maybe because it will be the next standard. In real life scenarios most people will end up not noticing any difference be it 65k, or 260k....
I think I am gonna buy a P800, and build my Radeon 9800 pro into it. Then, we will see who's got better colors
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Posted by Arfi-Gorgona
loll you guys are something even if the p800 or p900 screen cant display more than 66000 colours you still argue if you cant see a dif between 65.000 and 260.000 in a phone.And yes you can see a dif in your dreams that is
Just do tha math boys and stop saying silly things please.It matter most the pallete of the phone if the phone pallete is 16.milions its fine i want to know what colour pallete p800 have but i dont think its a 16milion.
Posted by wrath000
@Arfi-Gorgona:
You almost sound insulting with your condescending tone, but I will attribute this to your bad english....
Everyone is entitled to discuss whatever they feel like
By the way, if you go by official information, P900 does not yet exist. That about how much we know about it
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Posted by Arfi-Gorgona
Yes because i dont know how to express it right with english words..
But when you speak it nice to put some valid arguments,we speak about phones now with only 320x208 resolution so i expect valid arguments.
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Posted by ppcrockar
Well.. I've made a quick test in photoshop.
This image contains two fields one is using the red colour (in RGB)
150,0,0
and the other field uses
151,0,0
Can anyone see the difference?
I can't...
And no cheating please
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Posted by Arfi-Gorgona
Well i think i see the difference the right one ists a little more dark
Or its the left one? lolll
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Posted by wrath000
The lower one is a bit darker...
Posted by shishio
LOL what a Thread!!! You Guys are a Riot
Personally, I Think so too - the diff between 65k and 200k above applied on a mobile phone would be inefficient for both manufacturer and consumer. There are better ways to for a manufacturer improve their product cost effectively. Even PocketPCs w/c "Generally" have bigger screens dont go beyond 65k. Maybe aside from the reason of inefficiency, power (MAYBE OK) maybe an issue. Just my opinion FWIW
Peace
Posted by pachy
No sleep for me, i'm going to just stare at that fukking red box all night.
Posted by Anuj
@sonyericssonman - If your read properly under description you will clearly see the mention of 260K !!!!
I hope that woke you up !!!!
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Posted by wrath000
I think I am going to use that as a wallpaper on my T610
Posted by croatia
its not 265.000 or 262.000 its 262.144 colours 18 bit tft!!!!!!thanx!
Posted by lulu ginzburg
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But it is still a mistake !! Look at what Shaop itself says about it...
65000 colors, not more then that
http://www.sharp-mobile.com/europe/uk/products/model.asp?id=gx20
It's a Ultra high-resolution QVGA 240x320 dot, 65K-colour system CGS LCD.
nb : no hurt but it will be great to check your source before starting a thread who gonna bring some people in confusion....
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Posted by Anuj
@Lulu - That peice of information was for sonyericssonman as he said that there was no mention of 265K on the phones4u website. We have concluded that the site is wrong but this thread still makes interesting reading and im sure people have learnt alot from valuable posts from other esatoians about various things like RGB, TFT, STN, 32 bit, 64 bit etc etc (Phew)
As for checking my source before posting - If we all checked sources b4 posting there would'nt be anything to talk about would there?????
and oh my source was the phones4u website and their monthly catalouge which says the same thing
Posted by lulu ginzburg
No hard feeling!! Just that it's logic to search 1 minute on the site of the manufacturer to check what a reseller says about it...
You started a thread about an Hoax ! This is dangerous and bring a lot of people in confusion... a good thread is a real thread, not a lie
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Posted by Anuj
The friggin P900 is still a hoax (its not official) so why is 90% of all new posts about it?
I had no intentions of creating a hoax (thread) as i have proved that it says 260K on the phones4u website and the meaning of a hoax is where there is no back up to prove what you are saying.............it's basically where one lies and im not lying - they are ........so get ur facts right before accusing sum1 buddy.....
Peace !
Posted by lulu ginzburg
In fact... SE does admit they have a P900 coming !!! And it is quite "official" there they give us all information about the WAP profile of it
http://wap.sonyericsson.com/UAprof/P900R101.xml
New on the P900 :
- VoiceInputCapable = Yes
- ForwardLock on downloaded WAP content
- WML version = 3
Posted by Anuj
Cant open it ! do i need to view it on my phone? it looks like a wap url
Posted by GoH
that link seems to be an RSS feed. and lulu, he did not lie, so relax. he merely got mislead by the website, felt too excited (something like when someone finds out that he struck lottery), and came here and posted it.
Posted by Anuj
oh my GOH here he goes again !!!!!!
Was not excited but just concerned about :se not having the 265K screen! Well im glad its a misprint anyways.
So how does it feel to win the lottery goh ???