Posted by Sparky-Uk
I know that there are alot of posts about O2 GPRS (and MMS), but can somebody please explain this stuff to me
I am using O2 PAYG, i rang up and asked for my MMS to be available, they said, yeah its been done. I tried downloading the settings, but i can never get it to work i always get the error "User bared", anybody know why this is ?
Also i can connect through my laptop to o2 GSM (300 free mins, online tarrif) and have access to the whole internet.
But i cant get this on GPRS, however on GPRS on my mob i can access wap pages from all over the internet.
What method of blocking are they using, becuase i tried installing a WAP browser on my laptop, but i cant access anything outside the o2 site
Does anybody know how these limitations on GPRS (under the MMS subscription) are running ?
Posted by marknicholls
Hi
What access point are you using?
Mobile.o2.co.uk should give you full access to HTTP, provided you are subscribed to a mobile web tariff (you cant have MMS activated at the same time).
If you want full HTTP browsing then you must DE-activate MMS to activate mobile.o2.co.uk (the APN required)
wap.o2.co.uk is limited to wap sites only.
Hope this helps.
[ This Message was edited by: marknicholls on 2003-08-19 21:06 ]
Posted by Sparky-Uk
My APN is payandgo.o2.co.uk
I want to be able to access these wap sites on my computer, i downloaded a wap browser, but i cant seem to get it to work, any ideas why ?
I can connect fine to the network with this APN, and access http://www.o2.co.uk, so its connected properly.
Also how does the server gateway distunguish between wap and web pages ?
Posted by o44wen
Wap pages end in .wml or .xhtml and normal web pages end with .html . The wap pages are also very small so that you phone can view them. Phone providers restrict the size of data downloaded from a single page. Also did you switch your phone of and then back on again and the MMS should work
Posted by Sparky-Uk
Yup i have tried switching my phone off and back on again, i got everything set up about november last year, and i basically just gave up trying.
about the WAP pages, the gateway does not restrict the pages based on their extension, becuase i have requested a wap page through o2 that had an .asp extension (running on my server), it just included wap headers
and if it is restricting the pages based on size, how come i cant acess any pages on my computer through a WAP browser?
hope someone can help me
Posted by o44wen
your network provider will restrict the size of files you can down load to your phone. Thats what i have heard on this forum many times
which website did you get the settings from??
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[ This Message was edited by: o44wen on 2003-08-20 16:27 ]
Posted by Sparky-Uk
I tried the settings from SonyEricsson website, as well as o2.co.uk, and entered the settings manually from the o2 website. I just cant seem to get it work.
Also, do you have any ideas why i cant get, WAP on my laptop ? (Through my WAP Browser)?
Posted by Poo Poo
The APN payandgo.o2.co.uk is limited to WAP (& MMS) access only
e.g. O2 Active on handsets.
Although you could still access the O2 website (on a laptop, PDA & P800) or O2 emails (.o2.co.uk).
For others you would need full internet access which unfortunately is not available on O2 Pay & Go GPRS, but only on dial-up!
On your laptop try setting the gateway to 193.113.200.195.
Also try using wsp:// instead of http://.
[ This Message was edited by: Poo Poo on 2003-08-23 14:43 ]
Posted by BOSSHOGG
Poo poo speaks the truth. Tin you can use your gsm dial up for a connection to the whole web on say and go. For a week it was find for me, but now they put the limiter on and is disconnects every 2 mins. Last week i was getting 50+ min connections, FREE!
Posted by Sparky-Uk
Thanx Poo Poo for the reply, and BOSSHOGG, i'm doing that as well
apart from the connection is'nt always stable
Although your answers have been good, i dont kno if i am getting any closer to what i need to kno.
I'll tell you the whole idea, and see if i can get some detialed answers for what i need
Like BOSSHOGG, i wanna use my Laptop for a internet connection through o2, However i find the 9.6 Kbps Slow and unstable, i want to be able to use the GPRS, but i dont want to pay those extreamly high prices, so if i get some more information about the network structure, this is what i intend to do
If i can access a wap page on my server through GPRS on my phone, then that gives the posibility of sending data from a customised location to my phone, if i get the right settings then this could be duplicated with a wap page on my laptop.
I am a programmer, and i think that i should be able to write a simple encapsulation program for the use of http, here are the simple stages
1. Laptop Browser Sends a request for a page
2. My program encodes (and if necessary, splits the data), and this gets encapsulated as a WAP request, which gets sent to one of my server(s)
3. When all packets are recieved by my server(s), they will decode the request, and send the data back, encapsulated as a WAP page. if more than 1 request is needed then this will be done so (If there is a limit on the size of data that can be send as 1 page)
4. Data is recieved on the laptop and decoded from wap page(s) and re-complied as HTML pages
Pictures may be a little more trickey, as i am unfamilier with the WAP picture standards (but both are binary, so it should still be able to work, even if the pictures have to be split up)
Rite, now what i need to kno is, how can i get my laptop to send and recieve WAP requests. and can anybody see any problems with this idea?
Posted by holmessbuni
I have O2 pay and go P800 handset and i have always been able to access the entire internet through my GPRS connection on my phone on my laptop through IR connection. Dont ask me how, it worked ever since i bought it second hand.
Posted by BOSSHOGG
I know you said don't ask, but any settings would be nice. They started charging of for gsm and my Gprs is locked in o2.co.uk
Posted by HellFire
I have o2 wap and i can get all the html pages just as you would on your PC this is on gprs iv never used dial-up because you have to pay for it and that takes the p*ss
[ This Message was edited by: HellFire on 2003-08-28 10:30 ]
Posted by Comte Zero
I've got same thing here with SFR france. I have free & unlimited Wap access through GPRS only on my phone. And i have to pay 6 for 10Mo full web access (pda/pc). I wonder how they manage the limitation ?Could we have full web with using other gateway?
Posted by HellFire
I think the service has gone wrong because on o2's site it should cost but it dont i can download 50mb and it dont cost a thing
Posted by BOSSHOGG
How about posting your o2 Gprs settings then? So we can try them.
Posted by HellFire
The settings are the same for all the pay & go as you download them from there site i think its my account and other people get it free to i was lucky when i got my sim card
Posted by BOSSHOGG
Jammy git! Post the settings anyway so i can double check. Are you sure you don't have any dif ip or dns numbers in your pc setup?
Posted by HellFire
Acc name - WAP GPRS
Internet ACC - O2 WAP GPRS
Use proxy ticked
IP - 193.113.200.195
Port - 9201
User name - payandgo
Password - ******
Address - payandgo.o2.co.uk
Eable PPP ticked
You might want to check this thread out http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=36613&forum=35
[ This Message was edited by: HellFire on 2003-08-28 13:01 ]
Posted by BOSSHOGG
Oh well, That's the same as my settings:-( as for the other topic. I've had 86 hours of gsm www on my mac for free. Yesterday they got 3quid before i noticed. I can only use my free Gprs on my phone or the o2 www site, and as you said, emails.
Posted by HellFire
Still getting free gsm on your mac is better than nothing
Posted by BOSSHOGG
Yeah but it stopped yesterday :-( i'm dancing between 4 Gprs topics now:-D
Posted by HellFire
Want to buy my sim card...........................just kidding sorry
Posted by BOSSHOGG
Don't toy with me, I'll cry:-D
Posted by HellFire
Posted by dazbradbury
what's the password in your settings? I used to get free everything on my o2 online sim, but I had to format my phone and lost all the settings I had!
Posted by HellFire
I got my settings from there site they send them to your phone I dont know the password as when the settings are sent to the phone the password is already *******
Posted by DragonFly
in the password section you have put in the ******, what is the password, or is the password 6 stars???
Posted by BOSSHOGG
The password is usually password, payandgo or welcome. Maybe it's password related?
Posted by dazbradbury
I keep on getting logon failed, whatever I try, payango, password, welcome...
is the username payango or payandgo??
could you post all your settings as I've just assumed the other ones are the same...
Posted by BOSSHOGG
Apn- payandgo.o2.co.uk username- payandgo password- payandgo ip- 193.113.200.195 this only lets me get free wap Gprs on my phone and the o2 site and pop3 o2 on my mac for free.
Posted by HellFire
BOSSHOGG your right it is payandgo iv changed it in the other post
Posted by DragonFly
could those settings work on a south african network?
Posted by HellFire
There for the UK somtimes you can use other networks on a sim but it will cost a lot
Posted by BOSSHOGG
So you risked re entering the password then. What if i was wrong? :-D
Posted by HellFire
No what i ment is in my phone it is payandgo not payango i read it wrong silly me
Posted by BOSSHOGG
Ahh. I thought that was just a typo.
Posted by Sparky-Uk
I can get all wap on my phone, both though GSM and GPRS, but still not on the computer, anyone who has tried GPRS on the computer managed to view any wap pages ?
Posted by gbrooks3
hellfire, what o2 tariff are you on? i am asking this because i am desperate to get the gprs connection working on my laptop for free.
when did you get the simcard? is your sim mms activated?
to anyone else:
when i try to go to a page other than the o2 website it says on the bottom bar: dns error. do you think i need another different dns? or somthing else?
thanks
[ This Message was edited by: gbrooks3 on 2003-08-29 08:27 ]
Posted by SpooForBrains
Okay, here's the situation. You can connect to O2 online via GSM dialup or GRPS. GSM allows you access to the full internet (so you can check email etc), and GPRS only allows you access to WAP sites, I presume by only allowing access to port 80, and restricting DNS, and other little tricks. The upshot being that by using a GSM dialup connection you can access a broader range of services at a cost, or by using GRPS you can access O2 online for free.
O2 Online have (up until very recently) not been billing anything for GPRS access, and I presume it's because they lacked the ability to bill to pay and go customers but still needed to provide GPRS so that MMS would work. They just didn't tell anyone that you were allowed to access WAP via GPRS.
Unfortunately this all stopped fairly recently, and they have instigated proper billing on GPRS connections. Bastards.
I had hoped that because of this they would expand what you can do with a GPRS connection, and allow access to the full internet (you're paying for it, afterall). Alas, it appears that isn't the case.
So, for now, us poor bastards on O2 Online Payandgo will not be able to browse from our laptops via GPRS, and will just have to contend with sending loads of free text messages and browsing WAP pages over GSM without paying a penny. Oh yeah, and calling all our other friends on O2, chatting away for ages since it costs practically nothing.
Oh, it's a hard life