Posted by boysaint
G17, you're not going to attract others into this forum even if you talk about those T610 promo girls, heheheh! the forum title itself bores them. anyway... yeah i'm also looking for a cheaper Tanto-style blade, one which you may not be worrying about too much when you leave it stuck in a criminals neck.
Doc, thanks for checking out the Steyr M9, M40, M357, from any store with available stocks! i was waiting for that one for sometime now! yeah, tell me what you find, in this forum! thanks very much!
PS- G17, now that you mention those, lets meet at the T610 promo at the powerplant mall this sunday.
Posted by doctabako
Boysaint The Steyr m9 is available at nashe for 40,000 php, other calibers are out of stock.
Posted by boysaint
Doc,
wow that's great news for me, Doc! so i guess i'm putting off my desire for a Glock35 for now, and go for this M9
("M" here means medium, right? the "S" models are the small, and so their website says they're working on the "L" version [target version]now, but in 9mm only. in Europe the 9mm is used in IDPA! iba sila, ano?)
Thanks again Doc! now me and G17 are scheduling a visit to Nashe this weekend. Can't wait to fire one!
Posted by boysaint
.....but wait! when is our stupid gun ban??? when i get this M9, will it be tangled with, or coincide, with this ban? geezzz, what a bummer! baka next year ko na makuha yan ah! sorry di ko na kasi alam sched ng mga stupid gun-ban na yan eh.
anyway, yeah Doc, i saw an ad in the newspapers by "Guns for the Good Guys" ....they're selling BushMaster M4s now. and there's a note below the ad saying: SORRY, FOR GOVERNMENT, MILITARY, AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT SALE ONLY.
i believe the policy, no problem. and i don't doubt their word on this. i just wonder how or where the criminals get their weapons ( i mean the heavy weapons). if the PNP and DILG claim they have a tight grip with the guns sale....???? oh well.....?
Posted by doctabako
Boysaint
No problem. The Stupid Gun ban if I remember right lasts for 180 days, not so sure but I think it will start in February and end in July of next year. Since the guys at Nashe say that they have the gun in stock, I think you have ample time. However, as I mentioned before, I'm not really impressed with their service as they seem to have a hard time getting their gun licenses released when you buy from them as what happened with my USP .45 which took 2 months for them to order and 3 months to have it released from customs and cleared by FED. Regarding the proliferation of assault rifles and other class III firearms in criminal or even "law abiding" civilian hands, well we know that most of them are procured through LGU's, thru the PNP/military(same people tasked to restrict their sale) or outright smuggled in.
Posted by boysaint
(...from the same people tasked to restrict their sale)
Doc....isn't that pathetic! or rather...disgusting.
Posted by boysaint
Doc, i think the Lara Croft space-age gun that G17 was talking about is the one on the new poster where Ms Croft is wearing a tight fitting gray suit, and on her tigh holster is the unusually shaped gun. it is not the H&K P-11 that was on the first page of HKpro site lately. (the one on the poster seem to be pointed, like a Luger barrel. not like the P11, which is like a micro-mini gatling gun because of its one bullet-one barrel design)
I'm using that Lara Croft picture on my P800 screen saver now, BTW.
Posted by doctabako
Yeah, I'm also curious about that gun in the official poster which I'm also using as a backimage for my Tungsten. Looks more like a speargun, but maybe the holster of the p11 looks like that( I'm guessing of course), but then again, the p11 is much shorter than that. The reason I said it was a p11 is because there are stills from the movie where she is seen holding a P11 while wading in the water and dressed in that sexy jumpsuit/wetsuit. I think the pictures can also be seen in HKPro. Oh well, we'll find out when we watch the movie.
Have you been to Nashe already? I was there last sunday when I got my PTT(for the HK) from them, told them that some people are interested in that gun and may drop by. They say they promise that the processing will be fast this time since its in the warehouse already.
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Posted by boysaint
wow, thanks Doc! maybe we'll visit Nashe this weekend. can't make a trip there for now, workload in the office is pressing in. this weekend may be the day.
enjoy your H&K USP!
Posted by boysaint
have you seen the movie the hunted?
the FBIs who tried to transfer Benicio DelTorro from the county jail to their custody are using our favorite baby.... H&K USP!
....and the guy responsible for the fantastic choreography of knife actions in that movie is a Filipino- Rafael Kayanan.
Posted by doctabako
Haven't watched it yet, maybe this weekend. There's a general amnesty for loose firearms, but people in my circle are having second thoughts about it, if things go bad next year, the unlucky registrant may have his firearm confiscated. Things are too volatile as it is and a power struggle isn't an impossibility. Good thing about the amnesty is that they're offering registration of high powered firearms on a case to case basis, then again what happens if you don't pass? confiscation... Unappealing....
Posted by boysaint
amnesty for our toys?
yeah i know what you mean by now being undecided on what to do with the unregistered firearms, specially the heavy calibre ones. that's right.... what if they decided they dont want me to have the Barrett .50 (example lang ito, Doc) that i have right now, then they will confiscate it? so its like i just fell into a treacherous trap that simply made me come out in the open, and then they'll cut me down as soon as i am exposed!
bad times still?
Posted by doctabako
Nice example, i would love to get my hands on a .50 BMG rifle whether it be the Barret .50 or the Armalite AR-50. I really envy the Americans for their freedom to purchase such nice babies.
Posted by boysaint
the Steyr M40 is not on display in Nashe. i wish to inspect or see how good the chamber design is, if ever i decide to get a model chambered as .40-SW. there will be a gunshow this august. hopefully it will be on display there. by then maybe i can finally be able to handle one.
when me and G17 were in the USA last year we weren't able to handle Steyr M40. all we did was go for the bigger ones. wala sa Pilipinas ng mga ganon eh. and so when we got back home... its only when we remembered.... we missed the Steyr M40/M9!
BTW... the full auto Glock-18 is in Terminator-3.
Posted by doctabako
For some reason(security probably? since their shop is so out of the way) Nashe doesn't really display their guns in the counter, they only do that during gun shows, but they usually show it to you when you ask for it as they keep their guns on the gun vault behind the sales personels table. The last time they showed a .22lr version of the P99 which comes complete with scope,2 barrels, one of which had a fake compensator/barrel weight attachment(with the .22lr low recoil, who needs that) among other accessories and they're selling it for 35K. It would be a nice gun for plinking, but not much else. Saw the terminator3 and the glock 18. My friends here have had their glock 19's and 17's converted to select-fire with a drop in attachment at the rear of the slide that doesn't seem to ruin the gun. Its rate of fire is just too fast that two or three 'burps' will leave you with an empty mag, not really efficient nor accurate but its nice to feel and see such a small gun going full auto.
Posted by Avatar235
I happen to have a AUstyr - this is the Australian Army Variant of the F-88. Very good rifle, managed to get a grouping of under 10 cm at 200 meters. This, of course was while in the prone unsupported position.
Posted by doctabako
@avatar can't say that I'm familiar with your rifle, in what caliber is it available. In our country you are legally allowed to own rifles only up to .22 WMR in caliber, although most of the rifles they sell here are .22 LR . In special cases they do allow some to license assault rifles and submachine guns. This was brought about by one of our past presidents fear of assassination wherein he even tried to regulate the sale of air rifles.
If you're talking of the steyr AUG variant, you guys are lucky to have that. My only beef with it is that its bullpup design isn't for lefties like me, unless you get one which ejects shells on the other side. For those who are right handed, soldiers complain that its hard to fire it from a right side barricade as the shells bounce from the wall to your face, unless of course you move farther from the wall and expose yourself to enemy fire. The rifle looks really mean though and I would love to handle one. Welcome to this forum mate
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Posted by boysaint
Doc, on the AUG, i think there's a way where you just push or make a mechanism to deflect the ejected brass out to which side you want it to, left or right side.
Posted by boysaint
doc,
our H&K USP stars prominently in the movie LaraCroft 2.
(and i just wish i could also say our G36 also stars prominently there.)
Posted by doctabako
Looking at the OAKWOOD incident, its really pathetic how our soldiers are armed. The government should really look into their plight and improve their equipment, as well as look into their grievances as they are legitimate and should be taken seriously, although I can't say that I agree with their methodology. On the bright side we did see a sprinkling of M4 carbines, M249's,steyr AUG's(mostly on the officers), an army guy even had a Barrett .50 M82A1cal but this was more of an exception than the rule as most were equiped with obviously vietnam era M-60's, M-16's and M-14's,M2 carbines, Sterling L34A1's not sure but I think some were even carrying WW2 era sten guns, its a good thing that what they lack in equipment is made up for by their extensive fighting experience.
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Posted by boysaint
doc,
yeah, all generations of firearms were represented, ha! i could forgive the vietnam era M-16, but i was really rocked when i saw the english 9mm sterling there! buti na lang walang musket.
Posted by boysaint
re: the oakwood crisis-
all these mutineers use the latest equipment, latest military uniforms (what they wore was the latest updated 'tiger' camo, which originaly was a vietnam-era pattern. the vietnam era has more black stripe pattern).
...and, you noticed correctly... the good gun models are in the hands of the high ranking soldiers.
makes you wonder who is really selling which, to whom....???
Posted by doctabako
boysaint,
just watched tombraider2, indeed the HK's were featured prominently there. Also saw that she indeed had the P11 on her holster when she was wearing the sexy wetsuit. The G36 has been featured prominently in a lot of movies lately and the latest is BadBoys2 where it is used quite a lot, along with Glocks. The drug lord is seen to be using a steyr TMP. Its quite a nice movie, with a healthy dose of violence to brighten an otherwise dreary day. re: the Oakwood incident, aren't our boys issued urban camouflage uniforms (like the malacanang PSG uses) to better blend in with all that concrete and steel? What they're wearing is better suited to a jungle environment and in the urban setting makes them stand out more. Oh well, I know that takes a lot of money and that's something very scarce these days (although if the news reports are to be believed, they seem to be well funded.)
Posted by boysaint
doc,
re: camo pattern- you are absolutely correct, doc!!! they should have worn the urban pattern, which are like concrete or building shadows of gray, etc. and unlike the tiger camouflage 2003 (somewhat similar to the vietnam era tiger) stands out on the Glorietta environment. and yes, on this Oakwood crisis, even if we dont hear about the high budget funding.... just looking at all those new equipment and gear which are not standard issue... it hints that someone really funded them.
yeah the G36 is now almost overtaking the M16 in the movies!
and the H&K USP is sneaking on the Glocks in the movies.
and the TMP Steyr over the now out of fashion uzi.
just like Sony-Ericsson.... over Nokia.
Posted by boysaint
ammo prices almost the same....
based the trend on a local manufacturer's price-
armscor .40sw is Php17.00
armscor 9mm is Php16.00
shall we move on to .40 now? or should they co-exist. i know 9mm will never die, or have their own use. but for practical reasons.... shall we go .40?
Posted by doctabako
The 9mm and .40 S&W round by design generates higher cup pressures and still results in the same or even lesser muzzle energy as compared to the heavier,subsonic .45ACP round. This leads to greater chances of case failure especially in reloaded cases. I know this is a controversial subject as the proponents on both sides defend their chosen rounds with a passion, but I believe that the energy produced by the the .45ACP, not to mention the bigger hole produced in your chosen target results in greater tissue damage and neural shock which stops your assailant in its tracks. If you factor in the better bullet designs(Black talon, hi-shok, hydra-shock etc.) and the +P or +P+ loads that are currently available this arguement is strengthened.
Given a choice between the 9mm and the .40 S&W I would go for the .40 S&W, which is the ballistic equivalent of the .45ACP in terms of stopping power. The only advantage I can see with the 9mm round is that its lesser diameter means that more rounds can be crammed in a given magazine size and it recoils less. You and I know however that its the quality and not the quantity of your shots that count. If I'm not mistaken, the .45 ACP and the .40 S&W are the preferred rounds in the states because of 10 round magazine restriction, which has lessened the past appeal of the high capacity "wondernines" which you can spray and pray
. As to the price difference I would say that the .40 S&W gives you more bang for your buck.
Posted by boysaint
doc,
finally had time to watch 'bad boys-2' .....that was entertaining, and gets your attention. just can't decide if it did good or bad to the image of our favorite hobby.
by the way ....gun-show this thursday!
Posted by doctabako
I know what you mean about badboys2, i hope the anti-gun peeps see this as entertainment and nothing else. I'm going to the gun show probably on the 16th. Thinking of getting a new toy. Can't make up my mind yet on glock 21 or 30, Steyr m40, hs2000/xd .40 (still don't have a .40 in my collection),sw 649 revolver, sw99 .45, choices, choices,choices. What do you think?
Posted by boysaint
doc.... that's overwhelming! HAHAHAH!
Posted by boysaint
first day of the GUN SHOW today!
di ako makatakas ng office, damn....!
maybe tomorrow.
Posted by doctabako
Same here, the first day is usually the best, as the booth personnel of the various exhibitors are more enthusiastic in showing their wares, and you get to be first pick in guns and accessories. If only Balayan was nearer to Manila. Anyway come weekend i'll be there. Talked to nashe people, the Steyr M40 is still out of stock although they do have the M9. So many guns, so little time :grin:
Posted by boysaint
doc,
just got back from the show. handled the Steyr M9 and S9 of Nashe. but yes ....no M40 for now. but the Walther P99 is a beauty! i think you should get that baby! but...well, everytime i look at the USP Expert... sheesh, too many toys, too few money for me!
we'll be back there tomorrow, Saturday. every year i just can't get enough of this. all your usual suspects are there. i check out even the cheap models. just for curiousity.
see you there.
Posted by doctabako
I'll be taking a look at that P99 ( .40 or .45 ?) along with the other babies I listed. I know what you mean about not getting enough of the gun show. There was a time when the gun show was held at the same time as the PAO(ophthalmologists) convention held in nearby Edsa shangri-la hotel. Couldn't resist the urge to go to the gun show every afternoon for the duration of the exhibit, after attending only a few of the lectures in the morning
. I'll also be there tomorrow afternoon, wouldn't miss it for the world.
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Posted by doctabako
Boysaint
Got a Glock 30, couldn't get myself to buy a .40 S&W Walther P99 as the .45 cal SW99 wasn't available, maybe next year. I just hope KB's and breech face failures with glocks aren't really that common and have been blown out of proportion.
Posted by boysaint
yeah i've heard of those KBs... but only from unofficial internet documentations. and anybody can post it on the internet. i mean... i can do websites and do fictional KBs of any gun i want to ruin an image, and it will spread like wildfire. just like how some forums in this esato thing are spread, where they announce all sort of gossip. point is ...we dont know how or when a KB will drop by. i think it happens with all brands and models (assuming it really does happen). malas na lang talaga pag sa atin natapat ang isang KB.
nothing like that happened yet (the KBs) to me nor any of my friends. including those who frequently shoot. am talking about ALL gun models.
Posted by doctabako
Do you use lead bullets with your glocks. If so do they really foul up easily. Its been posted in other forums and in the glock annual 2003 that lead bullets cause excessive build up of crud which can increase chamber pressures which can lead to catastrophic failures and KB's, they say that this is due to the polygonal barrels found in Glock(and HK's, Jericho's etc) which are tighter than conventionally rifled ones. Funny thing is most of my shooting friends who use glocks(mostly 19's) use lead bullets(reloads) as these are readily available, practical and cheap, with no untoward incidents that I can remember and we shoot at least twice a week. I also use them for my HK in practice sessions and in fun shoots. Maybe we're just lucky or maybe as long as we clean them after every use we're safe (knock on wood).
Posted by boysaint
i do not use reloaded and lead bullets anymore on my polygonal barreled guns. Glocks have tight chamber tolerances, and once a bullet is lighted, the brass case bulges (and we all know a reloaded brass already bulges), and will have a slower eject speed. harder time to get out of the chamber, coupled with a lower powder load to push it out, it can't eject on time for the next bullet feed. this will cause stove-piped ejected brass. this will damage the breechface, and maybe the ramp too. not to mention many other malfunctions. and that pressure build-up that you mentioned... i am inclined to believe it. if too much lead is already stuck on the barrel groove, i guess it will hold pressure back and make it push around the chamber, which...yes, will be catastrophic. maybe if you reload a little more powder (i dont know how to reload, so i'm sorry i dont know how much exactly) it may give a better pressure push (but again,think of what the lead build-up may cause). i guess the designers of these guns were all thinking that these guns will be used with state-supplied perfect loads, and didnt consider us users of reloads
! they "perfected" on the basis of good loads. (havent experienced any malfunction with factory loads on our Glocks!)
with reloads and leads the USP is more tolerant. the Glocks absolutely either stovepipes or doesnt eject at all. that is my personal reason to stop using reloads on our Glocks.
Posted by doctabako
It would be very expensive to use factory ammo all the time although nyclad and copper plated bullets are a cheaper alternative to fmj. Anyway i'm a stubborn man, and i'll try lead reloads for one or two sessions and see how they turn out, i'll just clean every 50 rounds. More expensive bullets means lesser range time and that's not nice. Thanks for the input :-)
Posted by boysaint
unfortunately thats true, doc. the more expensive each round is, the lesser we are going to enjoy. that is why i use local bullets on regular range time.
but let me tell you something... atin-atin lang ...i still sometimes try lead (dahil expensive nga ang factory load). but once it malfunctions after about a few rounds... i stop. and then it's cleaning time again.
(then i put the remaining lead rounds on my H&K
! ...my ever reliable big boy USP!)
Posted by boysaint
doc, nakita mo ba si mrs vicky l. peņa of VLP guns and sport? her booth at the gunshow was the one beside tony pascual's. her right side (when inside her booth) is nashe's.
her batangas store is in Kalaw street, Lipa. but i go to her store in Kamias road, QC.
Posted by MaThIbUs
''A .44 Magnum, the most powerful weapon in the world, that can blow your head off in one shot, you punk!''
Posted by doctabako
boysaint
I noticed that booth but I don't know her personally, unlike Jane of Nashe and Angie of Twin pines. Next gunshow we should probably meet up, forgot to ask for your number before I went to this one.
Mathibus
I like the dirty harry movies too. I have a .44 Magnum Ruger Super Blackhawk and its one of my favorites. Don't get to shoot it as much as I like because the ammo is expensive. Its super accurate up to 100 yards. BTW, currently, the most powerful handgun cartridge is the .500 S&W Magnum used in the new Smith & Wesson X-Frame revolver. Its muzzle energy is twice that of the .44 Magnum
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Posted by boysaint
yeah doc! we should have met up on this gunshow! whew because of being too excited with these toys we forgot to meet up here, hahahah!
but we can meet some other time. or anytime you are here in metro manila.
so, when will you be able to bring home your Glock30?
Posted by doctabako
Yes we'll do that
. I availed of the express service which is 10 working days, I should get the gun by the end of the month. I'll just update you on my impressions once I get the gun. Do you post in glock talk?, they have a thriving community of filipino gun enthusiasts called band of glockers, and discussions are not exclusive to glocks but to firearms in general.
Posted by boysaint
band of Glockers? i didnt know that, Doc! how do i get there? what url is it? thanks for informing me.
Posted by doctabako
Its in the club house section of GlockTalk, here's the link
http://www.glocktalk.com/forumdisplay.php?s=ecf7144ddf26a66ae10ecc8fb7033ac5&forumid=80
Posted by boysaint
thanks, Doc! check your PM too, please.
have a great day.
Posted by g17
I was able to hold a Steyr M series pistol at the last Gunshow. Nice front sight, grip angle is good. Most 1911 users will probably have to adjust to this grip angle but S&W and Browning 0.22 Target Gun users might feel right at home. Nashe reps said they do not have any more .40 in their stocks though.
Posted by boysaint
g17
if only the government doesn't tax us so much (not to mention making it hard to acquire a right to self-defense...) i would get all the models that we have been talking about here.
yes i saw that Steyr M/S9 at nashe. but i had been wanting a .40 model. and a friend is selling his Glock-35 (that's another .40sw) and now i am getting all these options.... decisions, decisions. mag-ala holduper na lang kaya ako, no license no nothing and free to carry, hahahah!
G17 ...when do you think we'll have the Sony-Ericsson P900 in the local market? and hey... in the greenhills blackmarket there seem to be some flow of 2nd hand O2-XDAs!
Posted by nephilim
Just came across this thread only now. Been meaning to get a pistol for the house ever since my daughter was born. It's been 3 years already and I still haven't gotten one. When the government's tightening up on licensing came out, I guess I put it off even more.
I still plan to. Looking for a good compact 9mm at the end of the day. I've had my eye on the Beretta, the CZ, the HK, but leaning more towards the Walther. What do you guys recommend?