Posted by themarques
Guys lets just stop for a second and think about what consequences this war is going to have on our life's, it doesnt matter if you are in Australia or America give a thought for those Iraqi people that have nothing to do with this, and are going to find themselves in the middle of it all......
Well Peace Love And Happiness Is All I Can Preach
God Bless You All
Posted by HRH
All we can do is hope it's over quick.
Fingers crossed
Posted by sunjivas
yea lets hope!
gby aswell m8
Posted by themarques
lets hope it doesnt start!!!!!
Posted by alias
World War 3
Posted by Miss UK
... &, if the P800 was on Voda then u wud have Voda aye lol make ya mind up..
Posted by themarques
miss uk have u missed the point here.........
Posted by d' fuhrer
no one can stop the war from happening. just like what happened in world war 2. no one stopped the germans from starting that war or the north koreans from invading the south koreans, the chinese invading tibet. the britsh fighting the falklands war. the arabs attacking israel. if a country want to attack another country can someone stop it? if your country was attacked will you not fight or fight. if you fight back that is a war, if not then your a coward and do not love your country.
Posted by dave_uk
she meant to post to a different thread....
Please, carry on making peace
Posted by Miss UK
my phone has loadsa messages on from otha threads and it sometimes put them in otha places, v.sensitive kepad lol Ok.. I agree no war, the leaders are goin to bed with one anotha on this they dont care bout us! now England n America r gonnabe hated worldwide! Thx alot Bush and Blair. grr
Posted by themarques
d' fuhrer its people possibly like yourself that think that no one can stop war and once the presidents say fire thats it!!!!, i dont think so i have never looked up so much to the British MP's but the respect I have for Robin Cook well words just say it, thats if you are following whats going on .....
Nice to see you are in support Miss UK
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Posted by d' fuhrer
@marques
well the points that i previously stated proves that war cannot be avoided or stopped. we are only human and war is in our genes since the time our species walked this earth. it would be impossible if you did not get angry at another human being in your life? anger also starts wars you know. common sense pls.
Posted by themarques
Trust me common sense is there ,its more the question that do you have it????
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Posted by Miss UK
Tony Blair is nomore! hark we wait our new PM!!! DO NOT VOTE LABOUR GUYS!
Posted by d' fuhrer
you really don't get it? can you do anything to stop the war in the middle east or stop the war raging in palestine? when people are angry no one can stop them. even you cannot do anything to tell your leader not to push through with the war with iraq. i know very well what is happening, i watch bbc, cnn etc. you still did not answer my previous questions.
Posted by kapitan jackal
US is in a deep economic crìsis, as a nature,-he needs a war to earn big money! War is business
Posted by themarques
Thank you kapitan jackal you hit the nail on the head.....
Posted by Fahed_2000
Robin Cook is the man; his words were carefully chosen and really unveiled the truth.
Why do we have to attack Iraq now, is it because of the oil, is it because Iraq has a third of the power it possessed in 1990, is it because Iraq can’t defend itself as it did before, if that is the case then how is it a threat to the worlds security, actually its only Americas security that bush cares about, I think because we have become slaves or puppy dogs for bush, I SAY NO MORE
Why not Israel, the country that invaded Lebanon, Iraq (Before 1990) Jordan, Egypt and occupied Palestine, furthermore it increasingly hostile towards Palestinians, (It killed over 200 in the past month with the media focused on Iraq
I personally vote against this short versioned government and support Robin Cook word by word; whereas I believe he should be the new PM, the PM that listens to 82% of the British population
@d' fuhrer, why war, what threat does Iraq posses
Posted by d' fuhrer
well it's not just the usa thats in a crisis, it's the whole world even before bush there is already an econimic crisis. i really do not support war for the record fellas. i am just saying that it is very difficult and impossible to stop or avert wars like the arab-israeli wars. the arabs first attacked the jews first when they became a nation and they are bent on destroying the jews. the arab states lost due to they could not defeat the jewish forces. the war ended but nothing could be done to stop it from starting in the first place. the jews are just defending themselves.
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Posted by jbendaou
d' fuhrer, i have to correct you on ur first post. Arabs did not attack the jews. The jews were given a land because of the holocaust...and it happened that the land was palestine...So, as u said, if someone comes to ur country and wants to take over or fight you, well there is only one thing to do,FIGHT back...
i hope this war wont start...and i am glad tghat blair wont be there and i hope not only him wont be there....cause it would suck to have a war...
Einstein once answered a general after he asked him what kind of weapon would "we" use on the ww3...then Einstein said i have no idea but if there is a WW4, i am sure that man would be fighting with rocks...wish all the guys who want this war happen, have known this saying by Einstein...
I hope there wont be some sick people there (in this forum) who want war.
piece everyone
Posted by Miss UK
IRA OK DIDNT AMERICA USED TO FUND THEM TWATS? LOOK AT WOT THEYVE DONE 2 OUR HOME PREVIOUSLY! GRR
Posted by Fahed_2000
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To prove that Saudia Arabia asked to retrieve 2Billion worth from their savings in America, where they were only given 1/2, what justifies that except that America is on the verge of breaking down financially, all it’s downing is that it’s printing dollars without the reserves to back them up.
Also think about it in other ways, bush can’t be that stupid, there must be a real reason something that America benefits from, (History; America never went to war without getting something of it or just for the sake of defending other countries)
Posted by themarques
how can you possibly say that(when people are angry no one can stop them) i mean come on that is absolute bullsh**t, take a look around you man..........
Tony Blair will face the Human Rights courts if they decide to go to war, and this is the reason he is trying to pull back from this shit but cant. It so happens it the same law firm his wife works for ....
Posted by d' fuhrer
@jabendaou-palestine was once known as israel in ancient times and when the romans came they just called it palestine. the jews just changed it back to it's original name. read the bible and consult their history. jerusalem was the ancient capital of isarel.
Posted by themarques
Miss Uk the states have funded every right wing group you can think of right down to BIN LADEN himself......
Posted by Miss UK
Americians are dangerous! britain should let them make a mess and pullout a.s.a.p grr
Posted by d' fuhrer
well my statements prove that i what i am saying are all true. if i get angry you cannot stop me from kicking the guys behind. for example, if i punch or or kicked your dad will you not get angry at me? you may want to kick my butt and no one can stop you from doing it to me right? i also don't give a damn about blair even if he goes to court. still uk troops are in kuwait as we speak and not pulling out.
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Posted by dave_uk
not iraqi, by any chance, are you Fahed?
Or just more pro-arab than the BBC?
Has Israel expressed the intentions at any stage to supply terrorist factions with the equipment and the finances to carry out mass-murder on innocent people? I think not?
Everyone knows Iraq poses no military threat. So should we wait till they have more than chemical warfare? When they've got nukes, then we'll talk?!
It has been clearly demonstrated the threat that is posed to the security of all free nations by rogue regimes aiding and abetting terrorist cells. Where's the argument?
So we don't have UN support - doesn't mean Bush is wrong. You can question his motives (and Blair's) but you can't deny there's an underlying threat.
And anyway, why do arabs try to deflect all the negative attention fundamentalists attract towards Israel, a country that has forged itself a thriving community and economy from the middle-eastern wilderness, unlike the palestinians have ever managed.
Thank g-d that someone is putting their money where their mouth is or we'd all be in trouble.
Posted by jbendaou
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Sorry but i gotta stop you from saying such a thing...
I know that jewsish religion was older than islam...but if u know ur history, Jews never had a land, and everyone knows it. and jewish religion started in EGYPT with the pharaos,etc... and since they left and moses dies, jews never settled in one country...i could even add that they never believed in that religion at that time...and let me add one thing, and i hope u wont mind. how come there were no jews before the holocaust in palestine???didint they settle in palestine in in the 50's? and let me give u an example, if what u are saying is true about israel, well let's say the othoman empire comes back and says well listen, once we had almost all north of africa and we had italy,etc... we want them back...what the hell would be the reaction of those countries???
listen, i am not trying to fight you and hope u arent either...
just wanted to make sure we understand eachtoher...btw, i went all my life to a jewish high school
Posted by d' fuhrer
i would also like to add that when the ottoman empire conquered palestine w/c was once israel. most of the jews and chiristians there converted to islam so their decendants now inhabit palestine. i also do not have any prejudice on muslims. i have history channel that's why i know.
Posted by d' fuhrer
wrong again jbendaou. egypt attacked and invaded israel so they made the jews slaves. moses just brought them back to their land hence the jews were freed by the pharoah. read about the the egyptian empire more info. the old testament in the bible is about the history of the jews.
Posted by jbendaou
\quote And anyway, why do arabs try to deflect all the negative attention fundamentalists attract towards Israel, a country that has forged itself a thriving community and economy from the middle-eastern wilderness, unlike the palestinians have ever managed. \unquote
the only reason is because other countries have helped israel...as simple as it sounds...US for instance
Posted by themarques
OK just watched Bush's Speach , Sadam has been given 48 HOURS to leave......
Posted by jbendaou
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i am glad that egypt was not a muslim country when the pharoah did that...islam did not even exist
Posted by dave_uk
Right........and it couldn't be anything to do with the hard work and ability of the Jewish people
They deserve what they - history shows they have earned it and any country the size of Israel, surrounded by the fundamentalist hatred in the Middle East, has a right to defend itself.
But this war is about preventing a terrorist gangster from plotting mass-genocide, something he has done before. How can you say that that is wrong? The motives are a side-issue. Bush IS an idiot. But the action is right.
Posted by themarques
Dave mate its more about how many innocent lives are going to be lost man you know, if it was a war between bush and saddam i would probably be all for it but both these guys are hiding behind there people....
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Posted by jbendaou
Dave uk u definitely RIGHT, they do work hard, and it is very well known that jews are good at what they do... but i cant let you say that they are surrounded by ARABIC countries who support terrorism,fundamentalist ,etc... i am MUSLIM, and i do not want terrorism anywhere... and i never said it is wrong to try to stop Terorrism...i want it to stop, but i just want people to realize that not every arab is a terrorist...
U kown, as that guy said earlier about(kicking someone's father,etc...) u know those suicide bombers dont care to blow themselves and die...and do u know why? because they have SEE their children , parents, familly die, by israelien bullets(maybe manufactured in the US), tanks crashing them also....and do u think they gonna care about wearing a bomb and blowing themselves and killing their "enemies"...
anyways, all this is vecause a piece of land was given to someone...they did not look at the consequences...
and i just hope that this whole situation would be better very soon, cause soooooooo many innocent people are dying for no darn reason.
Posted by Fahed_2000
America possesses many tactics and intelligence units, can’t they assassinate saddam Or do they have to carpet bomb it and occupy the region making it the 54th state of america
Posted by crowing
ironically most of the people who won the nobel peace price were the ones who fought a war/struggle but eventually made peace and were commended for the efforts they made....
Posted by suzy_md
\"He makes wars cease to the ends of the earth... Be still, and know that I am God...\" Psalm 46:9-10 Let us all pray for peace.
Posted by dave_uk
@themarques
More innocent lives will be lost by a lack of action. You're right - Bush has his own agenda, as does Blair to a lesser extent - but that's not the point. The point is that they're doing the right thing for the wrong reasons but it's still the right thing. I would much rather the motives were right as well, but you can look to Colin Powell for a more reasoned view, for what it's worth. I know it sounds like I'm a pro-war fanatic but in any different circumstances, I'd feel the same as you. It's just that it angers me that people like Fahed exploit Bush's idiocy and bad PR and turn his motives and Israel
into the crux of the argument when they're not. The real issue is islamic fundamentalist-inspired terrorism, which claimed thousands of innocent lives on 9/11 and will do so again, given half the chance. Bush WILL stop that even if only to settle a personal agenda but isn't that still necessary, whatever his reasons for doing it?
Posted by themarques
But dave you dont pour oil on a fire to stop it this is really going to hit us bad!!!!!!!!
i truelly understand your point but i mean can you tell how the programme started from Bin Laden then when they couldn find him all of a sudden Sadam is the next Public Enemy ,
il leave your mind dwelling on that but what happens next Korea.....
Posted by fijbert
lol...
w/e.. their empire will fall just like that of the romans..
simply, what goes up, must come down...
Posted by jbendaou
it is so funny, that after this 911, everyone see araba , muslims as terorrists(quote: The real issue is islamic fundamentalist-inspired terrorism, unquote)...what about the previous groups like IRA,etc... were they muslims?nooo, they were from ireland...what about carlos?was he bin laden's cousin, no he was from europe or i dunno where...gawd it really angers me when i see people who think that all the middle east is full of terrorists,etc...
i personally see a higher treat from N.KOREA...gawd people wake up, they nuclear reactors are running, and u are telling me that saddamn has some kind of weapon of mass distruction...take care of the people who has the weapon, and then come to the people who may BUILD one in 20 years...or maybe N, Korea scares some countries???
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Posted by viper7
No-one ever WANTS war!...war comes about due to countries feeling threatened...fear of something they fear, potentially, they cannot control. Such as terrorism, threat of invasion etc. Not always but often. Bush, Blair & co must know more than we give them credit for, they surely have intelligence from various sources. I don't condone war but saddam's record is appalling!...he may not have nukes et al, but surely it cannot be denied he is potentially a threat!...12 years ago was when he should have gone....now a likely 2nd war. One thing that none of us should forget though is our promises to the afghanies to help rebuild their country...this seems forgotten...hope same is not done with Iraq...also worrying is the UN situation...a disunited world can not be good.
Posted by Fahed_2000
Some people are saying that Muslims are the ones that are behind Terrorism, let me tell you something about Islam it is religion of peace, unless you are defending your self
Posted by Froddan
Why not face the truth, the human greed and anger is about to extinguish all life on this planet. We'll either do it slowly by poisoning the soil and seas, in our neverending pursuit for money, or then we'll make it quick by nuclear bombing our enemies. Either way, we won't survive as a species unless we have a change of attitude.
Posted by dave_uk
@jbendaou
Just want to say, we clearly have different points of view, but I stress I absolutely don't believe all muslims OR arabs are terrorists or fundamentalists. I am well aware that, at the heart of Islam, are many of the same PEACEFUL tenets of Judaism. I would love for us all to live side by side in peace. But the Jews in Israel live in the fear that if Arafat gets what he really wants, there will be no Israel at all. The Israelis would actually accept Palestinian demands if they thought that would be it and peace could reign. But after era upon era of persecution and fighting against the odds for the survival of their people, they have deep-seated need to know they are secure.
These are not the actions of a race bent on world-domination. I just can't listen to these twisted portrayals of Israel as the thorn in the side of peace in the Middle East when it is what Israel herself would love more than anything.
Posted by jbendaou
Dave, well it surely doesnt sound like what sharon wants...and please dont tell me he is the man of peace as bush called him. I hope everyone knows that sharon was guilty of crime againt humanity by an international court of law in europe.(belgium)
Come on, u think that arafat would ever have the power to threaten israel??? they dont even have money to support its own people...
It is the palestinians that are scared to get screwed and loose everything.
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