Posted by Xajel
Xenon flash in mobile phone is still bulky and drains the battery fast... even though there's some technologies and advances in paper, but adapting these for mass production is still months ( or years ) away...
The best solution for me ATM if any one wanted a Xenon flash is for Sony to build an external flash module that has it's own battery, Xenon flash for still and bright LED for better lighting in video shooting... this external module can be attached using the magnetic charge port in newer devices, and also synced using these pins in the port, more advanced data can be synced using BT LE for example ( data like telling the flash to charge the capacitor and be ready to wait for the trigger, or adjusting the power of the flash ), only trigger will be performed by the pins as they're much faster than BT connection...
Posted by vivftp
I'd say a case with xenon flash and battery pack would would nicely. Maybe nothing quite as bulky as Nokias grip for the 1020, but a stylish case people would WANT to keep on their phone that also adds battery life and a xenon flash.
... or a Vita phone...
EDIT.
Looks like Sony will not be selling its battery division...
http://economictimes.indiatim[....]eport/articleshow/28089706.cms
Hope we see some great surprises
[ This Message was edited by: vivftp on 2013-12-29 06:15 ]
Posted by stais
I can see how the bulkiness of xenon is an issue, but why does everyone go on about the battery? Sure, each use of the flash would consume relatively much juice, but you typically don't take THAT many pics a day. Battery was never an issue on my old xenon equipped SE phones...
Posted by ascariss
On 2013-12-29 13:29:33, stais wrote:
I can see how the bulkiness of xenon is an issue, but why does everyone go on about the battery? Sure, each use of the flash would consume relatively much juice, but you typically don't take THAT many pics a day. Battery was never an issue on my old xenon equipped SE phones...
I believe all the old SE xenon equipped phones ran symbian which was much lighter on the battery than current android is, although I'm sure a large enough battery would fix that, but the camera would probably be also thicker because of the xenon flash. Only reason that Sony probably isn't making a full out camera phone, ie with even larger sensor, better optics and xenon flash, is the cybershot division. Although it seems Sony is now focusing on their A and E mount cameras so, perhaps less and less cybershots will be released and slowly replaced by a true camera phone. Technically Sony already took the first step by sticking in a standard cybershot sensor into a smartphone, all now it needs is a xenon flash and more better manual controls.
Posted by hihihans
I have to correct you on that one. Most
with xenon ran SE software. Even lighter in use as Symbian.
Posted by ascariss
On 2013-12-29 14:31:35, hihihans wrote:
I have to correct you on that one. Most
with xenon ran SE software. Even lighter in use as Symbian.
Those were feature phones, and not full smartphones, the phone I was thinking about was the Satio, which is the closest to the Z1. Should have been more clear on my end.
[ This Message was edited by: ascariss on 2013-12-29 14:13 ]
Posted by goldenface
I really like Xajel's idea of utilising the magnetic charging port to attach camera centric accessories, that could be sold as part of an imaging pack, or as separates.
Posted by maiaramdan
On 2013-12-29 17:06:31, goldenface wrote:
I really like Xajel's idea of utilising the magnetic charging port to attach camera centric accessories, that could be sold as part of an imaging pack, or as separates.
So I think you all was talking about maybe the next generation from the QX10 and QX 100;)
Posted by PowerLee
Just needs a Quickshare port adding on the newer designs & ill dig out my old MXE-60
Posted by Supa_Fly
On 2013-12-29 17:06:31, goldenface wrote:
I really like Xajel's idea of utilising the magnetic charging port to attach camera centric accessories, that could be sold as part of an imaging pack, or as separates.
although feasible, doesn't make dollars, thus it doesn't make sense!
1. Add's more production cost and a slight bump in R&D to make it to production,
2. Add's slightly more weight - this can affect buyers decisions when using a Sony or other products for smartphones
(after all the quest for thinner, wider and lighter is no longer a trend)
3. It's not compatible with other manufacturer's phones thus this added R&D, weight, and cost (the latter two somewhat minimal in the grand scheme of things), makes no real value.
All in all it, this magnetic charging port doesn't make any dollars via increased sales potential - for you & Xajel it does, but - in the millions of products manufactured for sales; it does not.
So for features hoped for or requests ... think from a business perspective ...
"IF it don't make dollars, it don't make sense!"
(DJ Quick).
Sony would be better off reducing Port flaps & external openings (by using a sealed removable battery door, that when closed uses a slight pressure to affix the seal to prevent water & dust). Implement wireless charging via induction (there goes the need for a MicroUSB port as a primary means of charging.
OR ... why not for the MicroSIM/SD/USB ports use a sliding door that uses a slight pressure to make a seal that is IP58 or higher. Many users avoid flaps on phones just because of simple wear and tear costing them for repairs. Sony also pays a price making sufficient replacements for these port flap covers on repairs coming into stores or shops. Include some labour time (say $16/hr US for a tech to do such repairs at top quality), then you CAN see how this suggestion makes dollars - as in spending LESS to produce such a product. Thus it makes sense. Maybe Nano Spray technology for ports and no covers are needed; and thus the repair now becomes on the motherboard which is a factory recall to retrofit, much cheaper when on the production line.
Posted by vivftp
Well I'm currently using my Xperia Z Ultra but I hope to get its successor whenever it comes out in 2014. My biggest hopes for it are that it'll have a better loudspeaker, the same camera as the 2014 flagship, and a shutter button. The battery life is already pretty decent, but more is always better
I suppose we won't be hearing about the Ultras successor until Summer or so. Still wonder if they're going to stick with the omni-balance design or go with a new design philosophy.
Posted by stais
On 2013-12-29 14:23:36, ascariss wrote:
On 2013-12-29 13:29:33, stais wrote:
I can see how the bulkiness of xenon is an issue, but why does everyone go on about the battery? Sure, each use of the flash would consume relatively much juice, but you typically don't take THAT many pics a day. Battery was never an issue on my old xenon equipped SE phones...
I believe all the old SE xenon equipped phones ran symbian which was much lighter on the battery than current android is, although I'm sure a large enough battery would fix that, but the camera would probably be also thicker because of the xenon flash.
Yeah, but the Xenon only drains the battery when it is used, and when used it would drain about the same amount regardless if the phone is using Symbian or Android or anything else, right? So it still doesn't make any sense. If anything, if today's phone in general use more power (bigger screens etc), that would just mean you would get even more Xenon flashes out of it due to bigger battery.
Posted by cu015170
Nothing to do with power consumption.. its all about syncing it properly with the camera software and the mechanical shutter, which from what I've read its easier to do on a real-time kernel like the one used by Symbian.
Obviously there are ways around it since there are phones using a monolith kernel which have xenon flashes, but the first non-Symbian to implement it properly is the 1020.
I am expecting a proper Sony cameraphone some time in 2014 .. which should at least match the 1020, or even the 808..
But something tells me that at that point Microsoft will be launching something better than the 808.. so.. Sony really needs a disruptive device to get ahead in the camera department, or at least get on the same schedule because right now they are 2-3 years behind Nokia in terms of imaging.
They started falling back once they switched to Android from Symbian.. or around the time the N8 shipped, and then the 808/1020 spread that gap even further.
I know that a lot of here are Sony fan boys, but it is what it is.. I know that Sony have very capable engineers, so its only a matter of time before they deliver.
I've been waiting for a sony cameraphone since the Satio.. nothing yet.
Posted by vivftp
The camera on the Z1 is quite nice and it was tough to go with the Z Ultra and its inferior camera. As good as it is though, I figured the 2014 flagship and its kin will liklely have a far superior camera judging by the way Sony is going under Kaz. I'm hopeful when I'm ready to upgrade by 2H next year that we'll be seeing quite a beast of a phone all around, whether it's the flagship or its Ultra brother.
Posted by Xajel
Android Authorities has a good read 3 months usage of the Z1... While you might say how this relate to rumours thread, I would say that the bad things that the writer mentioned has been discussed here before... and I think Sony should fix them, it's not just us -Esato'ers- noted these even though some might not agree of one or two of these negatives
The Good
- The Xperia Z1′s performance
- Fantastic battery life
- The premium build quality
- A light touch on the TimeScape UI with features that you’ll actually use
- Waterproof (up to 1.5m for 30 min)
- Great camera in good light conditions
The Bad
- Poor low light camera performance
- Huge size when compared to other 5-inch smartphones
- Screen protectors which aren’t scratch proof
- Viewing angles aren’t up to snuff
It's a good read overall, but the negative points are real... Camera is very good compared to others, but not in low-light... the size is large basically the bezels are just over... I don't want very small bezels but not big also... Samsung managed to pack S4's 5" panel in almost the same size or smaller than S3... the bezels are small, sometimes it's not good when trying to reach far as the hand will touch the edge making it sense two touch's... but it's good
screen protectors has been mentioned here as well, the phone is water proof yes but not scratch proof...
Viewing angles has been discussed like hell here, and if we see this kind of attentions to this issue, then we can't say it's okay.. we have a problem here and Sony should fix it...
http://www.androidauthority.com/sony-xperia-z1-3-months-326998/
[ This Message was edited by: Xajel on 2013-12-30 06:02 ]
Posted by Gitaroo
out of curiosity, is there really screen protector that is really scratch proof? I tried quite a few brand, non seems to be. GG3 says to be scratch resistance, doesn't seems to be the case to me neither.
Posted by BenLing
Xperia Z1 mini
Posted by mobisekim
In January at CES, Sony is trying to change the idea to create models of the middle segment, at least, not in the field of design and functionality
http://mobile-review.com/articles/2013/birulki-257.shtml
Posted by ascariss
I was thinking more along the lines of symbian draining less power than android when in use, which would permit more battery for the camera and xenon flash if need be, but I could be wrong.
Samsung has the S4 zoom and the galaxy camera's both running android so perhaps there is a way around the kernal issue on android.
But I agree and hope that a proper camera phone from sony should be made for 2014, a perfect z1 successor at IFA next year.
Posted by supercoolman
power issue is usage dependent.
if you just want a phone with xenon, then it may not be an issue. if you want to replace a separate camera (excluding professional camera, DSLR...etc), then there are issue unless you will never take more than one photo requiring flash per minute. otherwise, you may be choking power on everything other than the flash or have large humps.
Posted by king-james
On 2013-12-30 06:59:47, Xajel wrote:
The Good
- The Xperia Z1′s performance
- Fantastic battery life
[ This Message was edited by: Xajel on 2013-12-30 06:02 ]
Posted by CrownedAkuma
On 2013-12-30 23:41:06, king-james wrote:
On 2013-12-30 06:59:47, Xajel wrote:
The Good
- The Xperia Z1′s performance
- Fantastic battery life
[ This Message was edited by: Xajel on 2013-12-30 06:02 ]
Are you nice kidding me?
why? both those two point are real...
[ This Message was edited by: CrownedAkuma on 2013-12-31 07:29 ]
Posted by amirprog
"Sony’s 2014 Flagships Codenamed Sirius and Canopus, Rumored Specs Inside": http://www.gforgames.com/gadg[....]14-sirius-canopus-specs-39889/
the headline is misleading. the second "flagship" is a wi-fi only device so it's not a flagship because it's not a phone.
EDIT: it's actually the same news as few days ago, but now they are saying that the second device is wi-fi only...
a walkman player with audio chip and xperia android version?
and what about the name "sirius" - the brightest star? are sony hinting it will have whitemagic for its display panel?
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2013-12-31 07:55 ]
Posted by nikola1970
Z1 vs Z1 mini display:
http://sonyviet.vn/2013/12/ma[....]xperia-z1-f-qua-nho-cho-doi-z1
[ This Message was edited by: nikola1970 on 2013-12-31 09:35 ]
Posted by Xajel
NextPowerUp is reporting the last leak again, BUT added a 1440p 5.2" screen for Sirius, other spec. are KitKat 4.4 OOB, Snapdragon 800 or 805, 3GB RAM, improved camera with same res. and finally a larger 3500mAh battery
The second device ( canopus ) info is very limited to the fact it will be WiFi only, they assume it could be Ultra successor but they question how it will be the successor and the current has cellular, I think they didn't count that rumour of a WiFi only version of Ultra...
Posted by Xajel
On 2013-12-30 23:41:06, king-james wrote:
On 2013-12-30 06:59:47, Xajel wrote:
The Good
- The Xperia Z1′s performance
- Fantastic battery life
[ This Message was edited by: Xajel on 2013-12-30 06:02 ]
Are you nice kidding me?
@king-james
Do you actually have the phone ? the phone is very fast and in the top list of the fastest phones if you sorted out the fastest phones around...
Battery life is fantastic, yes specially compared to Z... not magically.. and not the top one... but it's very good compared to the phone and the history of Sony before...
Posted by unknownC151A
No new flagships coming anytime soon.
Z1 was a revolution in technology. Through our work with Sony’s camera experts, we were able to create a camera phone that truly blurs the lines between mobile phones and compact cameras, whilst at the same time, new technologies in processors, screens, audio and media integration all came together to produce a smartphone that is simply brilliant. It is our strongest selling smartphone to date and will continue as our flagship into 2014.
Posted by motvikt
On 2013-12-31 10:35:10, nikola1970 wrote:
Z1 vs Z1 mini display:
http://sonyviet.vn/2013/12/ma[....]xperia-z1-f-qua-nho-cho-doi-z1
[ This Message was edited by: nikola1970 on 2013-12-31 09:35 ]
Nice comparison. The screen on z1 sucks :'(
Posted by ascariss
On 2013-12-31 13:27:57, unknownC151A wrote:
No new flagships coming anytime soon.
Z1 was a revolution in technology. Through our work with Sony’s camera experts, we were able to create a camera phone that truly blurs the lines between mobile phones and compact cameras, whilst at the same time, new technologies in processors, screens, audio and media integration all came together to produce a smartphone that is simply brilliant. It is our strongest selling smartphone to date and will continue as our flagship into 2014.
If Sony adds better software and algorithms for the camera, then ya it will be a revolution, otherwise, currently it isn't there just yet.
IFA 2014 is probably next flagship, unless the ZU2 before that counts as well, then probably summer 14?
Posted by motvikt
On 2013-12-31 13:27:57, unknownC151A wrote:
No new flagships coming anytime soon.
Z1 was a revolution in technology. Through our work with Sony’s camera experts, we were able to create a camera phone that truly blurs the lines between mobile phones and compact cameras, whilst at the same time, new technologies in processors, screens, audio and media integration all came together to produce a smartphone that is simply brilliant. It is our strongest selling smartphone to date and will continue as our flagship into 2014.
Sony will have a new flagship before April at least. Everyone will start releasing phones with 2k screens and Sony needs to have one too
Posted by Detox
Unfortunately the 2013 thread was already closed, but here is the (almost) obligatory year end post:
2012
2013:
Xperia Z1 = Honami = C69XX, L39
Xperia Z Ultra = Togari = C68XX, XL39
Xperia Z = Yuga = C66XX, L36
Xperia ZL = Odin = C650X, L35
Xperia ZR = Dogo = C550X, M36
Xperia SP = HuaShan = C530X, M35
Xperia C = Pelican = C230X, S39
Xperia L = TaoShan = C210X, S36
Xperia M Dual = Nicki_DS = C200X
Xperia M = Nicki_SS = C190X
Xperia E Dual = NanHu_DS = C160X
Xperia E = NanHu_SS = C150X
It's a little too early here, but... Happy New Year to you and your loved ones
.
BTT, if they would mention a successor, people would stop buying Z1. But Sony wants people to keep buying them all the time, as you can imagine.
Posted by Xajel
On 2013-12-31 13:27:57, unknownC151A wrote:
No new flagships coming anytime soon.
Z1 was a revolution in technology. Through our work with Sony’s camera experts, we were able to create a camera phone that truly blurs the lines between mobile phones and compact cameras, whilst at the same time, new technologies in processors, screens, audio and media integration all came together to produce a smartphone that is simply brilliant. It is our strongest selling smartphone to date and will continue as our flagship into 2014.
Being a flagship doesn't mean there will be no other flagships... Sony still support Z & Z Ultra as flagships also.. but main flagships now are Ultra and Z1 (as Z1 replaces Z position)... while still supporting and maintaining Z as a flagship... I think Z will be considered as an ongoing flagship till the new device is announced then Z1 will be in second position like how Z is now...
Posted by xenia
What about better screens for later revision of Z1? It is 2014 but still same pore viewing angle screen.
Posted by amirprog
very nice comparison. overall the Z1f has better display. reminds me of the iphone display. it seems that from now on short viewing angles are a thing of the past.
i'm expecting the Z1 refresh display to be even better, possibly with wrgb/pixel eyes or 2k.
Posted by goldenface
The Z1 is still quite a young phone so you can see why they would like it to continue as the flagship going into 2014, especially as they're considering it to be their strongest selling phone to date.
It could be a while before we see a phone that surpasses the Z1 specs by a good measure. If they can keep the Z1's 5" screen & specs and make it shorter and thinner then that would please a lot of people.
Posted by razec
Guys I'll be off-topic for a little bit to greet everyone Happy New Year!
More power to laffen and all the mods as well as our beloved esato website and community
Posted by CrownedAkuma
Happy new year everyone
thanks for all the knowledge you taught me
Posted by unknownC151A
On 2013-12-31 15:04:10, Xajel wrote:
On 2013-12-31 13:27:57, unknownC151A wrote:
No new flagships coming anytime soon.
Z1 was a revolution in technology. Through our work with Sony’s camera experts, we were able to create a camera phone that truly blurs the lines between mobile phones and compact cameras, whilst at the same time, new technologies in processors, screens, audio and media integration all came together to produce a smartphone that is simply brilliant. It is our strongest selling smartphone to date and will continue as our flagship into 2014.
Being a flagship doesn't mean there will be no other flagships... Sony still support Z & Z Ultra as flagships also.. but main flagships now are Ultra and Z1 (as Z1 replaces Z position)... while still supporting and maintaining Z as a flagship... I think Z will be considered as an ongoing flagship till the new device is announced then Z1 will be in second position like how Z is now...
Read the work "CONTINUE". Is like I'm saying I'm continuing to use this shampoo but I'm going to use another one. Don't make sense at all.
Posted by milukugiuniu
Happy New Year to you all!
Posted by jonfensu
That means one Flagship per year...sounds fine
It seems like the only downside of D650x will be the camera IF Z1 is the flagship
[ This Message was edited by: jonfensu on 2013-12-31 18:13 ]
Posted by amirprog
For anyone here that actually believe sony is not going to announce a Z1 refresh at CES or MWC, i call you naive.
Happy New Year.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2013-12-31 18:40 ]
Posted by jonfensu
Here is the Message from Sony
A New Year’s Message from Sony Mobile
and this
Sony Mobile’s New Year message hints at what’s to come in 2014
@amirprog
Why?
Posted by jjjajjj
Hopes ara high for a new design language
Posted by MusaD.Dragon
Lmao ppl on sony's blog all complaining about update instead of the wishes xD
Posted by smclion102
Sony may release a Windows Phone in 2014, according to The Information
Sony is considering launching a Windows Phone sometime next year, according to a new report from The Information. If true, such a move would break Sony's current loyalty to Android and give Nokia some fresh competition in the Windows Phone segment. Both sides have reportedly held numerous discussions, with Sony going so far as to draw up designs for a prototype device. Any future product could be branded under Sony's Vaio line, according to The Information.
Posted by ascariss
It seems the 805 snapdragon isn't due until late 2014 (according to engadget), so I'd assume IFA, meaning any new models due from sony in 1st half of 2014, will not be packing the new cpu and will probably ship with the higher clocked 800 by the looks of it.
Posted by amirprog
@jonfensu
1) because of the rumors from the different sources. they can't all be false.
2) "into 2014" could mean also "until sometime in 2014", etc.
3) sony need a buzz before IFA. Z1 won't sell like S4. they got to respond to samsung, htc and lg upcoming flagships.
4) flagship every half a year is their strategy for the last 2 years (?).
Posted by XperiaJunkie
If Sony want to make a buzz on next years flagship then they should hold a single launch event rather than CES, MWC or IFA most major brands do this i.e Samsung, Apple, HTC and LG all had a single event when launching their new flagship smartphone in 2013. This has its obvious benefits as there is no other product launched on the same day such as the Z1 and Note 3 were both announced at IFA just hours apart. Surely one single event for a Flagship and use the tech shows for mid and low range devices would have a massive advantage in publicity for the brand.
[ This Message was edited by: XperiaJunkie on 2013-12-31 20:26 ]
Posted by amirprog
@XperiaJunkie
i'm sure we could find advantages and disadvantages in both strategies... BUT, if releasing the Z1 one year after the Z would have meant better result of low light imaging, image processing, high quality IPS display, less first adopters software bugs, etc. in short, more mature end product, then i totally support one flagship every year.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2013-12-31 20:39 ]
Posted by vivftp
Hmmm, so Android, Firefix OS, Widows... it would seem Sony are looking to expand their mobile footprint by a fair amount here. I REALLY hope this desire to expand will eventually include their very own Playstation OS, be it Vita OS or a variant of it.