Posted by DexterMoser
On 2013-12-11 12:37:19, amirprog wrote:
@DexterMoser
you misunderstood maia. read what Xajel wrote. the mobile sites news is also confusing. they call z1s the china z1... no rumor is 100% accurate, but z1s as the z1 successor is logical for announcement in less then half a year of the previous announcement. that way z1 users are not pissed off.
Well I think we misunderstood each other
I thought you were saying that Z1s and Z2 were the same device. Therefore I stated Z1s will not be Z2.
I guess we can all agree that we all agree
NEW RUMORS!! WE NEED NEW RUMORS!!
Hurry up leaks
[ This Message was edited by: DexterMoser on 2013-12-12 02:49 ]
Posted by pattiobear
Ugh...must...not...purchase...GPE...must...wait... Honestly the only thing preventing me from buying it is the mediocre camera. Hurry up Sony!
Posted by BenLing
Xperia Z1 mini passed through FCC ID...
Posted by ardian
haha, just expect something that u already know
Posted by cableguy
On 2013-12-12 11:22:36, BenLing wrote:
Xperia Z1 mini passed through FCC ID...
do you have link?
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_[....]_through_the_fcc-news-7353.php
[ This Message was edited by: cableguy on 2013-12-12 12:22 ]
Posted by maiaramdan
Amazing
Honestly after I read this article today
http://www.gsmarena.com/ubunt[....]_phone_next_year-news-7348.php
I am approximately sure it will be the 2H2014 flagship
I told you guys before from March or even February, that they was testing Ubuntu inline with Android to choose which will be better, as I told you before also, that if they choose the Ubuntu, it will be only for the 5 " flagship phone, not the mini and not the ultra
Which will be (mini, ultra) still with Android
So the mini and the ultra will always be android as the mid and low range
But the only flagship that will not be android is the one in the 5" range, not the 6" range, and not the 4" range
Posted by Xajel
I hope they don't... While Ubuntu is nice and good... Android is in another league... they can make midrange phone, or multiple copies of high-end ( 3 versions: Xperia Z2 + Sony Z2 Google Play Edition & Xperia Z2 Ubuntu Edition )
Posted by cableguy
Just some high specs pulled from the FCC documentation:
It supports GSM 850/900/1800/1900MHz bands, WCDMA FDD band 1/2/4/5/8 and LTE
FDD bands 1/2/3/4/5/7/8/20. It supports GPRS service with multi-slots class 33 and EGPRS
service with multi-slots class 33. The HSDPA and HSUPA features are also supported.
It has MP3, camera, USB memory, Mobile High-Definition Link (MHL), FM radio, GPS receiver,
NFC, Bluetooth (EDR and Bluetooth 4.0), ANT+, WLAN (802.11 a/ac/b/g/n) and Wi-Fi hotspot
functions. For WLAN 802.11n, it supports 20MHz bandwidth on 2.4GHz band and 20MHz/40MHz
bandwidths on 5GHz/5.8GHz band. For WLAN 802.11 ac, it supports 20MHz/40MHz/80MHz
bandwidths.
Posted by MNX1024
@maiaramdan That would be good news. If that's true, I may actually replace my Z1 with it, providing that it retains the waterproof/Dustproof ability and good camera module. If Qualcomm has their 64 bit processor ready by then, and Sony uses it with a minimum of 4GB of ram and 32gb of internal storage along with a MicroSD slot, that would seriously be a cherry on the top.
@Xajel I don't see anything wrong with using Ubuntu for their high end providing that they can sideload all Android apps and run them without any problems. The beauty of Ubuntu is that you can run it as a desktop computer just by plugging it into a larger monitor. The ability to run apps from other OS is just epic, assuming that everything works properly. Basically Ubuntu is a full fledge workstation OS with a mobile and desktop UI. Imagine the things you can do with an Ubuntu phone provided that the specs are high enough! Good example, steam is moving towards linux, imagine running all your games from steam on your phone!
Posted by amirprog
new leaked info: http://www.phonearena.com/new[....]s-CES-2014-event-leaks_id50292
Z1 mini and wi-fi only version of the Z Ultra. announcements at CES. Z1 successor codenamed Sirius. announcement "might debut at MWC". more info here: http://www.androidauthority.com/asus-sony-ces-events-324002/ seems like the new no leak policy of sony works pretty good, we're very close to CES and almost no image leaks, just a few rumors. pretty amazing for sony, don't you think?
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2013-12-12 18:56 ]
Posted by josephnero
if they dont stick with atleast one android flagship i will sadly have to change brands
Posted by itsjustJOH
^Why? You feel left out when another flagship gets announced after 6 months?
Posted by DrKnute
That's good news. Eagerly waiting on the mini US release. My X10a is soooo slow.
According to RBMen, Sony’s next flagship, codenamed Sirius, might actually debut at MWC in late February.
Source
Posted by my ninja
Dreams...
13MPx 2/3" - Global Shutter (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nguv9lOkmXI) - BSI CMOS Sensor - Analog NR Memory - 12 bit - 1080p @ 120fps - 4K @ 24/25fps - f1.4 G Lens
4GB 2300MHz DDR3
256GB Storage (would be nice to have 4GB HMC standalone for the OS only... so that storage could be as advertised)
μSDXC
5.4" 2K Screen (RGBW)
24/192 Audio Support (HiRes Audio as sony calls it, they have stickers for goodness sakes..)
BEZELESS (80+% Screen/Face)
Some of this is possible, while some is not (its actually all 100% possible just expensive..) but they must realize that there are parties willing to pay for it, if they would just put it out there every other year or so in limited quantities, it would sell, it doesnt need to be a market leader but a device that is just hyper strong in ALL categories no compromises. The thing is Sony sells about a million different TVs and cameras a year.. Where is the 'ES' model mobile device.. When Kaz said that the Z1 was the synergy of all their departments and 4K and HiRes Audio were HEAVILY pushed as THE features in 2 of their departments yet astoundingly missing from the device it rang very hollow, i hope that they can correct that oversight this coming year.
[ This Message was edited by: my ninja on 2013-12-12 19:00 ]
Posted by amirprog
Well, it's more logical to announce the Z1 mini at CES and leave "Sirius" for MWC. Z1 started selling officially in my country just a month ago...(!) Sirius at MWC.
Posted by nodarsixar
Xperia Z1S= Xperia Z1 mini (event CES)
6.4 inch mini tablet (event CES)
Xperia Sirius SO-03F=Xperia Z2 (event MWC)
Posted by amirprog
What the...? ANOTHER new leak in less then a day. (translated from japanese with chrome) "...According to the information leak, SonyMobile under development for the next flagship smartphone, code-named "Sirius", it appears to correspond to the terminal. It is said that the prospect of bezel width is reduced, display size is widened, to be released in March 2014 in the Japanese market.
Model number or would correspond to the "SO-03F" if all goes well. It was previously rumored " Xperia Z2 me it seems that those with at the terminal. " Let's wait and look forward to further news..."
link: http://rbmen.blogspot.co.il/2[....]ocomoxperia-sirius-so-03f.html
it's pretty clear now. MWC announcement. March-April release.
sony took criticism of the bezel seriously it seems.
huiyi info of 5.2 inch seems to be true.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2013-12-12 21:13 ]
Posted by DexterMoser
^Let's hope their source isn't called Nodarsixar
+ one vote for ninja's dreamphone, even though I'd go with more megapixels tue to better zooming capabilities.
Posted by amirprog
@DexterMoser
Yeah i hope so too.
but seriously, the info is reported on many Japanese sites. seems reliable. the news from other site:
"...Development code name of the first half of 2014 flagship model is "Xperia Sirius". The screen is expected to slightly larger than the "Xperia Z1", but it has been bezel around the screen become narrower. Note that this is consistent with a significant portion of the information that was previously described with the exception of the code name..."
link: http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/wrp_sony/66431377.html/
with that said, anyone in need of a phone who wants premium sony phone shouldn't hold it's wallet i think. it's probably about 4 months until worldwide release.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2013-12-12 22:35 ]
Posted by my ninja
Thats great news out of Japan, I am excited to see what they come up with.
http://cvp.com/images/uploaded/sensor_table.gif (Sensor Size Comparison)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkh5eWECgbU (Global Shutter/Analog Memory + Sheild)
http://www.micron.com/about/n[....]-samples-of-hybrid-memory-cube (Hybrid Memory Cube ... Still WAY to large for a mobile device, however power consumption should be appropriate, micron/intel have work still to do, I can wait till HMC 2.0 is drafted though this one was a swing for the fences)
The reason I preferred the smaller number of MPx was due to these limitations of the current available tech. Larger sensor, smaller number of pixels, mean larger individual pixel area ('more light' more or less). Plus as covered in the video you see that the shielded analog memory allows for greater noise reduction. Couple that with a hugely wide aperture lens with a larger sensor than whats on the Z1 could lend itself very well to excellent shots all around. I do agree with the zooming aspect of the higher MPx though so it was a personal trade off.. Just sharing the rationalization behind the choice. We may get TWO of the things that I wanted 2K; which is expected from sammy, I dont personally expect sony to fall behind on this front by sticking with 1080p. However they need to use JDI or stop funding them because whoever they use to source currently are giving them perceptual fits, when compared to other devices... considering sonys position and history in displays. Additionally the narrower bezel is welcome news. They were the ones to make a point of it with the ZL and then ran in the other direction completely.. so how much bezel we lose is up in the air (if accurate).
[ This Message was edited by: my ninja on 2013-12-12 23:15 ]
Posted by jonfensu
Z1f = Z1s
? Wasnt Z1s the updated version of Z1? Now, I am confused... Seems like the new policy of sony is working
PS. The possibility of a 6.4" Tablet seems great
@Maia
About Ubunto OS in a flagship phone.. Is it a XR3 or XR4?
[ This Message was edited by: jonfensu on 2013-12-13 03:03 ]
Posted by Xajel
On 2013-12-12 16:02:31, MNX1024 wrote:
@Xajel I don't see anything wrong with using Ubuntu for their high end providing that they can sideload all Android apps and run them without any problems. The beauty of Ubuntu is that you can run it as a desktop computer just by plugging it into a larger monitor. The ability to run apps from other OS is just epic, assuming that everything works properly. Basically Ubuntu is a full fledge workstation OS with a mobile and desktop UI. Imagine the things you can do with an Ubuntu phone provided that the specs are high enough! Good example, steam is moving towards linux, imagine running all your games from steam on your phone!
If it was just about apps then you will see BB10 has much larger usage.. BB10 support Android apps, even though it doesn't come with Google services... but Google services isn't the main point here but it's a big plus, see how Nook and Kindle was selling compared to BB10...
Android get it reputation because of it's openness and flexibility... even before having all these apps... this what make Nook and Kindle a success compared to BB10...
Ubuntu is open I know, but will it be as open as Android ?, being able to run all Android apps is a big plus of course (Assuming not having any compatibility issues with popular apps, specialty apps will have compatibility issues for sure as the two are different OS after all)... but the openness and flexibility is bigger reasons to make Ubuntu competitive... Ubuntu is not meant to cancel Android.. it's meant to live with it at least in the time being... maybe later if it success enough then it will be a real competitive to Android...
The best for me is a dual approach solution, dual boot or even both OS running in the same time ( Visualization ? Read Sony read )... ASUS is doing good with their PadPhone, but they need to explore more options ( like docking and more options ) and of course multiple vendor options with standard solutions...
Posted by josephnero
@itsjustJOH
no.sorry i wasn't clear enough.i meant i wouldn't choose an ubunto flagship over an android one
[ This Message was edited by: josephnero on 2013-12-13 13:44 ]
Posted by MartenR
Does anybody know how is Xperia Z1 selling? Is it in line with expectations? LG G2 has sold around 2.3mil units which is way below their expectation.
Will there be OLED TVs in 2014 or probably CES?
Posted by josephnero
@Marten R
I only know it's the tenth most selling in UK.last month it was eighth
Posted by Ricky D
It's been asked before but with no trustworthy reply, but is the next 10” Tablet Z going to get the pen/pencil stylus input?
Posted by XperiaCute
On 2013-12-14 05:58:09, Ricky D wrote:
It's been asked before but with no trustworthy reply, but is the next 10” Tablet Z going to get the pen/pencil stylus input?
+1
and would SONY have the confident to finally go beyond FHD for Tablet resolution ?!
>
Posted by amirprog
@XperiaCute
I think that sony will probably introduce triluminos and x reality like they did with the Z1 and hopefully also new features like lower power consumption. i bet on 2k in 2015.
Posted by Felimenta97
If I had to guess next year's XTZ1 specs:
10.1 inch 1080p to iPad Air's resolution. Triluminous with IZGO and X Reality, IPS screen (Is that combo even physically possible?)
S805 processor
3 Gb of RAM
8 Mp rear facing camera with new lens/sensor tech (1080p)
2.2 to 3 Mp front facing wide angle camera (1080p)
NFC, Bluetooth 4.1 (if available for production by time).
32 and 64 Gb versions. White and Black versions for each + MicroSD up to 64 Gb
LTE version with 32 Gb
6000 mAh battery
7 mm thin (tops), 450 to 500g (tops)
IP58 certification, headphone jack uncovered
Pencil support (just like Z Ultra)
Stereo speakers
If it is like that, it will be a killer.
Posted by DexterMoser
^ IZGO(I KNOW IT'S IGZO) and IPS?
That's not a problem.
The IZGO(HERE THE SAME) technology can be used in every type of display, be it LCD (IPS, SuperLCD.....) and OLED-Displays.
The only difference there is that Indium gallium zinc oxide replaces amorphous silicon.
Or it least it should be like that, I'm not any expert.
Thx Xajel
[ This Message was edited by: DexterMoser on 2013-12-15 12:13 ]
Posted by Xajel
@Felimenta97 + @DexterMoser
It's IGZO not IZGO
@Felimenta97
Very well spec. except the 7mm... I'm not against it but I know Sony will not do 7mm with that battery inside, if you said 7mm they will put 3000-3300mAh... personally I prefer less than 9mm with larger battery, an extra 2000mAh is better than shaving 2mm !!, I know it's sexy at 7mm, but you can't be satisfied with only few minutes of a super hot baby
[ This Message was edited by: Xajel on 2013-12-15 05:14 ]
Posted by BenLing
Xperia Z1 mini D5503 AnTuTu Benchmark Score 34193
Posted by BenLing
Xperia Z1s L39t AnTuTu Benchmark
Posted by DexterMoser
On 2013-12-15 06:13:41, Xajel wrote:
@Felimenta97 + @DexterMoser
It's IGZO not IZGO
Damn -.-
I blame Felimenta for this
I even wrote 'Indium gallium zinc oxide' in the right order! Damn you
@Felimenta97
Very well spec. except the 7mm... I'm not against it but I know Sony will not do 7mm with that battery inside, if you said 7mm they will put 3000-3300mAh... personally I prefer less than 9mm with larger battery, an extra 2000mAh is better than shaving 2mm !!, I know it's sexy at 7mm, but you can't be satisfied with only few minutes of a super hot baby
[ This Message was edited by: Xajel on 2013-12-15 05:14 ]
I totally agree with you on that!
I'd love to see a real battery monster from Sony.
@BenLing:
Do you have any further information on the Z1s?
What will be different to the Z1?
Edit:
I have to add something to my last post about IGZO (HA!).
Apparently it isn't really up to date.
LTPS seems to do better (low temperature poly silicon) than a-Silicon and IGZO.
And the newest shit is Quantum Dots, so f*k that IGZO Felimenta
quite interesting to read:
http://9to5mac.com/2013/11/28[....]-dated-technology/#more-299364
[ This Message was edited by: DexterMoser on 2013-12-15 12:10 ]
Posted by nodarsixar
New info
Xperia E2 D2303
4G LTE
Antutu 17583
android 4.4
Posted by sami92a
On 2013-12-15 13:46:00, nodarsixar wrote:
New info
Xperia E2 D2303
4G LTE
Antutu 17583
android 4.4
Posted by DexterMoser
On 2013-12-15 14:23:39, sami92a wrote:
On 2013-12-15 13:46:00, nodarsixar wrote:
New info
Xperia E2 D2303
4G LTE
Antutu 17583
android 4.4
It's on the web it has to be true
Posted by reeflotz
XR1 = possibly fake rumors, very low chance of being real
XR2 = rumor from unknown sources
XR3 = 50% chance it is correct
XR4 = rumor from known sources
XR5 = almost certainly correct!
XRnodarsixar = It's on the web
[ This Message was edited by: reeflotz on 2013-12-15 14:26 ]
Posted by XperiaCute
On 2013-12-15 15:08:05, reeflotz wrote:
XR1 = possibly fake rumors, very low chance of being real
XR2 = rumor from unknown sources
XR3 = 50% chance it is correct
XR4 = rumor from known sources
XR5 = almost certainly correct!
XRnodarsixar = It's on the web
[ This Message was edited by: reeflotz on 2013-12-15 14:26 ]
[ This Message was edited by: XperiaCute on 2013-12-15 16:50 ]
Posted by DexterMoser
Posted by XperiaCute
On 2013-12-14 21:52:20, amirprog wrote:
@XperiaCute
I think that sony will probably introduce triluminos and x reality like they did with the Z1 and hopefully also new features like lower power consumption. i bet on 2k in 2015.
yeh I understand is not rushing..
I just wish it appear earlier something like 2H 2014 at IFA ..
in the meanwhile Samsung , Apple , Amazon , Toshiba ... they all made tablets with high resolution ..
and Tech sites will put soo much emphasis in such a feature for Tablets comparsion ..
[ This Message was edited by: XperiaCute on 2013-12-15 15:12 ]
Posted by itsjustJOH
On 2013-12-15 13:46:00, nodarsixar wrote:
New info
Xperia E2 D2303
4G LTE
Antutu 17583
android 4.4
This did just appear online, although the name, Android version and 4G on-board are but speculations. If this is not fake, it would be an impressive low-end considering the model number is within the low-end range (Xperia L C210X, Xperia C C230X).
Posted by sami92a
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2013[....]lte-rolling-out-in-2014-rumor/
Posted by XperiaCute
Xperia E2
>
Posted by xdomino996
I think that is L2.
Posted by Felimenta97
@Xajel
Oops. Wrote in a rush
Anyway, Sony CAN fit 6000 mAh in that. XTZ is 6.9 mm and has a 6000 mAh battery. I'm talking about the tablet... Maybe you got it confused, dunno...
Posted by amirprog
all this numbering labeling makes you wonder:
tablet z1 or tablet z2?
z1 mini or z2 mini and what about mini, is it really "mini" or other word?
z2 ultra?
z1s for z1 successor, really?
will they keeping labeling with numbers in 10 years? like z11?
1-2 months for 3 major devices and there are few rumors. sony is doing good, but not good for this forum.
Posted by amirprog
just reading xperia blog post about the new benchmarks... they call the phone in the big picture "z1s". it's obviously not the z1s cause z1s (sirius) if the rumors are true should have thinner bezels (i guess like xperia z).
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2013-12-15 17:50 ]
Posted by amirprog
@XperiaCute
I'm totally with you. but i just wrote what i think will happen. i think s5 will be the first device with 2k display, like they will be first with 64 bit processor.
Posted by Away
First time I've seen 3 consecutive comments by the same person in a rumours thread (excluding the first page).