Posted by xperiazultra
On 2014-12-02 23:00:04, goldenface wrote:
There are so many ultra-thin tablets out now that I'm presuming Sony will give up on the 'thin' race. Yes, it's great for bragging rights but the optics are compromised.
I think a Z4 tablet with the current 20.7mp cam will fare better than the Z Ultra. If they increase the Z4 tablet thickness, shortened the height and included the best camera I think that would do pretty well.
I don't think anything besides a +6 inch screen can fill the phablet gap. Sony is aware of the situation. Phablet market is more available for Sony to compete. IMHO
You edited the message we are good
. Thinness is important since the device is huge. 7.2 mm with 6.44 and a case. Omg[ This Message was edited by: on 2014-12-02 22:08 ]
Posted by goldenface
So the Z range for next year will be 4.7"+ 5.5"+ 6.4" 8" and 10". What happened to the rumoured mega sized tablet?
Posted by Xajel
From the last rumors...
What I liked :
1- the release schedule has been changed from 6 months to 9/10 months... a step closer to 12 months
2- there's more consolidation in the spec. and platform ( including the kernel ), making updating the devices faster hopefully.
3- less devices per year than before, means more focus on the higher-end models.
4- The spec. in the that twitter account is the best so far
5- the latest devices planned are very good, like what @goldenface said, 4.7 + 5.5 + 6.4 +8 + 10... thought I would love to see much less gap for the 6.4 model or reduce the screen size a little bit to achieve smaller dimension while still maintaining 6+ screen.
What I didn't like :
1- the problems with 810 which forced all makers to switch to 805 instead, which means 3GB ram also
2- the distinguish of north american model to the world wide model where the NA will get a QHD screen while the world wide model will get FHD screen.
What I would love to see ( eg. whish list ):
1- USB 3.0 with Type C
2- Wireless charging built in
3- Unlocking bootloader doesn't affect DRM keys and won't kill Sony specific features.
Posted by MNX1024
On 2014-12-03 13:40:53, Xajel wrote:
What I didn't like :
1- the problems with 810 which forced all makers to switch to 805 instead, which means 3GB ram also
Just letting you know, 805 can use 4GB of ram.
Posted by XperiaJunkie
Really hope Sony add an IR blaster to the Z4 range next year, it's the only thing missing that I'd want from other devices out there.
Posted by motvikt
Samsung s6 rumours still say snapdragon 810. It will be complete suicide to release a flagship 2015 with 805
Posted by amirprog
@motvikt
Don't worry, either:
1. sony is trolling on purpose giving false info for current flag sales support.
2. there are temporary prototypes with s805 and 1080p.
3. both 1 and 2 are true.
Posted by motvikt
On 2014-12-03 21:37:15, amirprog wrote:
@motvikt
Don't worry, either:
1. sony is trolling on purpose giving false info for current flag sales support.
2. there are temporary prototypes with s805 and 1080p.
3. both 1 and 2 are true.
Yeah let's hope so
Posted by Xajel
On 2014-12-03 15:04:05, MNX1024 wrote:
On 2014-12-03 13:40:53, Xajel wrote:
What I didn't like :
1- the problems with 810 which forced all makers to switch to 805 instead, which means 3GB ram also
Just letting you know, 805 can use 4GB of ram.
I know, but every time we saw a news for switching back to 805, we see it with 3GB instead of 4GB..
Posted by MNX1024
Looks like Qualcomm isn't doing too well, and the delays might be real.
http://www.phonearena.com/new[....]-Snapdragon-810-issues_id63497
Let's hope Sony doesn't planned to actually used 805 just because they want to release on schedule.
Posted by nodarsixar
Xperia Z4 Ultra TO SUPPORT OPTIONAL STYLUS IMPUT SIMILAR TO GALAXY NOTE SERIES ?
Posted by xperiazultra
On 2014-12-04 16:35:01, nodarsixar wrote:
Xperia Z4 Ultra TO SUPPORT OPTIONAL STYLUS IMPUT SIMILAR TO GALAXY NOTE SERIES ?
Don't think so
Posted by Xajel
On 2014-12-04 16:14:13, MNX1024 wrote:
Looks like Qualcomm isn't doing too well, and the delays might be real.
http://www.phonearena.com/new[....]-Snapdragon-810-issues_id63497
Let's hope Sony doesn't planned to actually used 805 just because they want to release on schedule.
I can't believe what I'm going to write now but I hope Sony also delays the phone, it's the best of two hard decisions I feel.
Posted by XperiaJunkie
Next HTC flagship set to rock SD810 and expected to be released early next year and is already in network testing on most US networks contradicting PA's report of a delay of the CPU. http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_f[....]_5_1080p_screen-news-10392.php
[ This Message was edited by: on 2014-12-04 16:38 ]
Posted by ascariss
On 2014-12-04 16:14:13, MNX1024 wrote:
Looks like Qualcomm isn't doing too well, and the delays might be real.
http://www.phonearena.com/new[....]-Snapdragon-810-issues_id63497
Let's hope Sony doesn't planned to actually used 805 just because they want to release on schedule.
Source is
http://www.businesskorea.co.k[....]alarm-bells-ringing-samsung-lg
The rumours were posted here on the 26th of Nov, by blank3609, article claims december 2nd, industry source. Not that I don't tend to trust websites but from I recall on the intrinsyc site, the shipping date of the SD810 development platform was for mid December. It has now changed to late December. So there might be some truth to the story, but who knows how badly it is delayed. Maybe weeks, or perhaps months, if true.
shop.intrinsyc.com/collections/mobile-development-platforms/products/mdp-tablet-powered-by-snapdragon-810-processor
The Tablet MPD is still slated for a mid december shipping.
http://shop.intrinsyc.com/col[....]ed-by-snapdragon-810-processor
Regardless, the business korea article only states some industry source, so until more articles appear with more sources, not citing the business korea article, I will believe it, but for now, I am still hopeful for a launch in late Q1.
Worse case scenario is sony launches the Z4 with the SD805, but this won't be different than the Z3, unless it features a QHD screen, at 5.5 and upgraded camera sensor, otherwise, what will be the point in upgrading from Z2 or Z3? Even for me, going from Z1 to such a Z4 wouldn't make sense. Best case scenario, Z4 will launch with SD810. Most likely scenario in my opinion, Z4 will launch with SD810 but be delayed, either April to May timeline.
Hmm why would HTC go for a FHD and also 3 GB of ram and not 4GB? Are going to see most devices with only 3GB and SD810 at MWC?
Posted by tk007
Is bond use xperia z4 ???
Posted by MNX1024
On 2014-12-04 17:47:29, tk007 wrote:
Is bond use xperia z4 ???
No, because he will use a flip phone since he's downgrading his Aston Martin to a Fiat!
Posted by amirprog
New z4 tablet supposedly info from that "An Onymous":
"243 x 171.2 x 6.3 mm #SONY #XPERIA #TABLETZ4 DIMENSIONS. NO MORE PICTURE FRAME STYLE BEZELS"
"#SONY #XPERIA #TABLETZ4 TO SUPPORT OPTIONAL STYLUS IMPUT SIMILAR TO GALAXY NOTE SERIES #MWC15"
https://twitter.com/Xperia_Insider
for comparison, milukugiuniu recent z4 tablet info:
"Z3 Tablet 10.1"IPS-Black Motionflow XR 120 2X2GB RAM 2.8 GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon 810 2560x1600 DSEE HX/Hi-Res 8MP-Front-facing Camera,24mm F1.4 G Lens,ISO 25600,1/2.33 Exmor RS 20MP-Primary Camera,25mm F2.0/F4.0 G Lens,ISO 12800,1/2.33 Exmor RS 8600mAh Battery 8.6 mm thick"
a little contradiction here... different prototypes?
anyway, sounds good, sony is listening.
Posted by ascariss
Well if the new larger 10 inch tab will be as thin as that, do not expect any superior camera, probably same unit as the tab 3 compact.
Perhaps there are or were 2 prototypes, who knows.
Posted by XperiaJunkie
I have the original tablet Z and Z3 Tablet compact and I've not once even thought about taking a photo with either of them. I don't think a high end camera in a tablet is necessary, the addition of an LED flash would be welcome but again not necessarily a deal breaker. Does anyone who owns a tablet use the camera frequently enough to warrant a top end camera that will only bump up the price for something the very rarely will get used.
Posted by amirprog
^^
Yeah, i must say milukugiuniu info sounds a bit fictional even though his record is good. probably early sheet spec... "An Onymous" info sounds like something that could end in final spec. big 20mp camera sensor on 6.3mm thickness... hard to believe - would result in a bump. it wouldn't be sony design.
[ This Message was edited by: on 2014-12-04 18:44 ]
Posted by goldenface
Should we expect more than 8.0MP on a tablet? 20MP on the Z4 tablet up from the 8.0MP on the Z2 tablet is huge jump. Wouldn't any increase more likely be to 13 MP?
Posted by cu015170
great article on the andro eco system for those interested
http://ben-evans.com/benedict[....]me-for-new-questions-in-mobile
Posted by Tsepz_GP
On 2014-12-04 06:30:31, Xajel wrote:
On 2014-12-03 15:04:05, MNX1024 wrote:
On 2014-12-03 13:40:53, Xajel wrote:
What I didn't like :
1- the problems with 810 which forced all makers to switch to 805 instead, which means 3GB ram also
Just letting you know, 805 can use 4GB of ram.
I know, but every time we saw a news for switching back to 805, we see it with 3GB instead of 4GB..
As far as I know the S805 is capable of addressing 4GB of RAM, so if an OEM uses the S805 as an excuse to use 3 instead of 4GB then they are talking utter BS.
I have been reading a forum thread at NeoGaf forums, I think it's called Android I/O or something, will have to check on my phone browser history, typing on iPad right now, anyway, they have been speaking of Snapdragon 810 issues and possible delay there for a month or so now, saying both Qualcomm and TSMC are having issues in 20nm process.
Posted by Xajel
AFAIK, today's SoC are packaged together with the RAM, that means the OEM when ordering he will also specific the amount of RAM also and Qualcomm ( or what ever the maker of the SoC ) will create an order for such configuration... sometimes a specific configurations are standard like S805 with 2GB or with 3GB duo to large orders they have with such configuration. if you need some other ( like S805 with 4GB or even with 1GB ) then it's a custom order and it might have some time delays and or higher cost than just the cost of more RAM.
And because the OS at which the SoC is targeted is Android 4.4 and below ( in case of 805 ) which doesn't support 4GB and more of RAM, then I have a feeling that Qualcomm didn't at all make any S805 + 4GB RAM configuration as it didn't expect and OEM to have such an order.
We say the same pattern happens when PC started to have 4GB of RAM, the OS was still 32bit and those systems said ( 3.6GB out of 4.0GB usable ) or something like that... as some other devices in the system requires a bit of that addressing space for their own needs, so the OS will not get the whole 4.0GB at all, the rest of the RAM will be wasted and not used. by that time we started to see some weird sizes of RAM like 3GB, we never heard or thought of such configuration specially that the dual-channel nature of such systems required the use of matched memory modules size, and there's no 1.5GB memory module and it's cheaper to have 4GB on the system than having 2*( 1GB+512MB ) to have a dual-channel enabled.
I have a feeling that most makers want to spare the 4GB of RAM only to 64bit Android 5.0 devices.. just to make them unique as I'm seeing from the rumours pattern..
but maybe now with the delays we might actually see 805+4GB thought only if that delays were real and also took longer than expected...
Posted by blank3609
I come back with another news about snapdragon810.
LG and Motorola choose to wait until qualcomn fix a problem with sd810.
Motorola cancel the device which was originally planed to come out with sd810 in early 2015 and choose to release a device in 3rd quarter of 2015.
This decision was possible because they think most of manufactures(not ALL) will use sd805.
LG's fist half year of 2015 models were originally planed to use sd801,and sd805 so they don't have big problems.
They considered their own odin chipset, tegra chip, and intel chip, and sd810 for second half year of 2015 models
but they finally choose to use sd810 because odin's not powerfull enough, tegra's too expensive, and their MC business unit refuse intel's chip.
But if qualcomn can't solve problem with sd810 until second half year of 2015, they even considering to use higher clock version of sd805.
Also qualcomn's cs team will visit manufactures in late 2014 and early 2015 because manufactures are hesitate to use sd810.
Their engineers are all working day and night to fix a problem but they are also facing quantity issue
because tsmc prioritize apple's quantity than qualcomn's quantity.
[ This Message was edited by: on 2014-12-05 12:44 ]
Posted by nodarsixar
I Like/ My dream phone
5.2 INCH 1080P
20MP/5MP-DUAL LED+OIS+HARD BIONZ CHIP+RAW+LOSSLESS ZOOM
3500MAH BATTERY
4GB RAM/32GB ROM-MICRO CD
Snapdragon 805
STYLUS
IP69
7MM
DragonTrail -X Glass
Android 5.0
Touch ID
Bezel Like Xperia Z3 Compact
Posted by ascariss
So perhaps this might be the new S6
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsu[....]l_the_galaxy_s6-news-10401.php
Running exynos 7420, 3GB ram, 32gb of space, 20MP cam, android 5.0, 5.5 inch @ QHD. So perhaps sammie is worried that qualcomm won't deliver on the 810?
Posted by XperiaJunkie
All this talk about the SD810 being delayed seems to be gathering pace but there's not one mention of the SD808, I'd be perfectly happy with that in Z4 anyone else agree?
Posted by JohnnyNr.5
@XperiaJunkie
SD810 or go to hell...
Adreno 418 vs. 430
Only Snapdragon 810 has a hardware HEVC encoder
810 can support up to two 4Kx2K displays
808: 64-bit wide LPDDR3-933 interface (1866MHz data rate, 15GB/s memory bandwidth) vs 810 : 64-bit wide LPDDR4-1600 interface (3200MHz data rate, 25.6GB/s memory bandwidth)
(808) 12-bit ISP design vs 14-bit dual-ISP design (810)
SD810 is a beast of a soc and I want this beast in a premium >500USD phone.
Posted by Xajel
@XperiaJunkie I agree with @JohnnyNr.5 ( well, except the "go to hell" part
)
As a high-end, it's either a S810 or to delay it, which is my option if 810 isn't ready... no 805 or 808...
Posted by Detox
^+1.
I would rather they take the time until Qualcomm fix it. Little more time to polish the Z4. Release it only when it's ready.
[ This Message was edited by: on 2014-12-06 11:01 ]
Posted by Xajel
Qualcomm Snapdragon 810 Clock Frequencies Revealed
While the performance-packing Cortex A57 cores will be clocked close to 2 GHz, the energy-efficient Cortex A53 cores will have a lower 1.6 GHz clock frequency. The clock frequencies are a little disappointing considering that the Snapdragon 801 manages up to 2.5 GHz, and the new Snapdragon 805 has its cores clocked at 2.7 GHz.
http://www.nextpowerup.com/ne[....]lock-frequencies-revealed.html
Posted by -XYZ
Clock frequencies have shit-all to do with performance in this case. Otherwise Apple's Cyclone cores clocked at like...1.5GHz wouldn't be leading the CPU benchmarks. If the cores are physically larger, then a lower clock speed shouldn't matter for performance, and should be better for heat management.
Posted by nikola1970
It looks like they are having a lot of troubles with SD810, and i feel it will never be as good as they probably thought it's gonna be. Something is wrong with it and looks like they can't find the solution to fix it.
Posted by nodarsixar
http://www.ibtimes.co.in/sony[....]810-faces-heating-issue-616366
Snap 805?
Posted by Tsepz_GP
On 2014-12-06 16:22:40, -XYZ wrote:
Clock frequencies have shit-all to do with performance in this case. Otherwise Apple's Cyclone cores clocked at like...1.5GHz wouldn't be leading the CPU benchmarks. If the cores are physically larger, then a lower clock speed shouldn't matter for performance, and should be better for heat management.
It's these tech sites sometimes, some of the guys have not a clue what they are talking about, when I hear that the clocks are lower I immedietly feel happier as it means they have managed to get more power out of lower clocks, it can only be a good thing in terms of efficiency, and if I am not mistaken, with big.LITTLE the low power cores can now can work with the high power cores depending on the power needed, they configure themselves to match the power requirement, meaning they will manage tasks far more efficiently than previous SoCs, someone please correct me if I am wrong, but that is what I understand of this.
It will be sad if the Snapdragon 810 does not make it to early 2015 phones, it will make early 2015 boring for most, for me personally I will be fine as I already have a Snapdragon 805 phone, I plan on getting the Note 5 which should definitely have the 810 OR it will have the successor of the Exynos 7.
The Qualcomm problems for me are an explanation of why Samsung continue to develop Exynos and why LG are also developing their own chip, they do not want to fall behind due to a supplier who is having issues.
Posted by Xajel
On 2014-12-06 18:23:09, nodarsixar wrote:
http://www.ibtimes.co.in/sony[....]810-faces-heating-issue-616366
Snap 805?
Read again, at first they say it might get delayed duo to SD810 problems... But at the end they listed the spec. according to PA craps.
Posted by nodarsixar
very good processor
http://www.mediatek.com/en/pr[....]unications/smartphone1/mt6795/
Posted by Xajel
That SoC is nice, but it's not high-end.. the cores are not A57...
The only thing that is very good with it is the ( 480fps 1080p Full HD Super-Slow Motion video recording and playback ), I hope Qualcomm will add such ability to their S810...
Posted by nodarsixar
Xperia E2303
http://sonygeorgia.blogspot.com/2014/12/walkman-64.html
Posted by amirprog
"An Onymous @Xperia_Insider ยท 2h 2 hours ago
#SONY #XPERIA E2303 (e4)
126.9 x 64.9 x 9.7
4.3" DISPLAY
#CES2015
2350 MAH BATTERY"
could be a good low end device IF priced super cheap. similar to z1 compact in dimensions, much better then the e3 brick design...
in other words, a nice phone for my mother.
[ This Message was edited by: on 2014-12-07 18:06 ]
Posted by XperiaJunkie
Check out @Xperia_Insider's Tweet: He/She has just posted a photo of the Xperia E2303 very low quality image but you can make out the Walkman logo and the very bottom of the screen https://twitter.com/Xperia_Insider/status/541684339344670720?s=09
Posted by JohnnyNr.5
Assuming that picture of the walkman xperia is real then I'm bit confused about the design of the navigation buttons. Rumor has it that future devices running Android 5.0 would get a overall different UI which would include different designed navigation buttons.
[ This Message was edited by: on 2014-12-07 21:24 ]
Posted by nodarsixar
On 2014-12-07 22:23:47, JohnnyNr.5 wrote:
Assuming that picture of the walkman xperia is real then I'm bit confused about the design of the navigation buttons. Rumor has it that future devices running Android 5.0 would get a overall different UI which would include different designed navigation buttons.
[ This Message was edited by: on 2014-12-07 21:24 ]
Walkman F886?
Posted by XperiaJunkie
If I'm not mistaken it's supposed to launch with KitKat according to previous tweets
Posted by JohnnyNr.5
@nodarsixar
+1 good find. so it's indeed fake.
@XperiaJunkie For god's sake other OEMs have started to roll out Lollipop for existing/older models and Sony is about to release a new device in Q12015 with Kitkat?!
I hope not.
Posted by nodarsixar
I agree PhoneArena's info
http://sonygeorgia.blogspot.c[....]ia-z4-ultra-phonearenacom.html
Posted by Velexas
http://www.techradar.com/news[....]napdragon-810-defects--1275829
SD810 delays?
Qualcomm says 'nope'.
[ This Message was edited by: on 2014-12-07 23:15 ]
Posted by DexterMoser
^ I like hearing that.