Posted by xperiazultra
On 2014-11-26 15:52:31, ascariss wrote:
I don't think the 805 would have any problems with QHD when the 801 also can push QHD, as in the LG G3.
If there were problems with the 810 why would the reference hardware go on sale for shipping in mid december?
http://www.gsmarena.com/qualc[....]kits_go_on_sale-news-10287.php
If there were problems with the hardware, I feel this wouldn't be available just yet. Whoever this korean is that is familiar with the industry, might have a stake in Samsung stock in order to post his profits haha.
Agreed.
Posted by nodarsixar
Xperia Z4- Snapdragon 805- whith S6, M9 and other
Xperia Z5- Snapdragon 810
Posted by XperiaJunkie
The Z5 won't be out until 2016 as Sony are ditching the 6 month flagship cycle. The Z4 is likely to be out at the beginning of Q2 giving them almost 5 months or so to get the hardware right and I'm 99.9% sure it will launch with the SD810. MWC isn't until March and until confirmed by Sony every thing is a rumour and there is plenty of them flying around.
Posted by HxH
what about mediatek 64bit chip?
put it in a class below flagship, should be nice refreshing
Posted by nodarsixar
I Like mediatek :*
Posted by Felimenta97
Ok. We have enough hardware leaks for now. Can we please get some Lollipop update screenshots, please?
Posted by nodarsixar
Xperia Z4
3GB RAM
Snapdragon 805
IMX220 GEN4
S-Master HX Amp
Low price
http://www.androidorigin.com/[....]s-master-hx-amp-imx220-sensor/
Posted by Tizzo
@nodarsixar
Where did you read Snapdragon 805?
The article states Snapdragon 810....
"The entire Xperia Z4 family of devices, the Xperia Z4, Xperia Z4 Ultra, Xperia Z4 Tablet, and Xperia Z4 Compact, will use the Qualcomm Snapdragon 810 chipset"
Posted by drsoran2
Will any of the future waterproof models have a removable battery?
Posted by motvikt
If they release the next flagship with 805 they might as well quit the mobile business. You could do that a couple of years of ago when the competition wasn't so though. I think Sony knows this too so I guess it wont happen. If 810 is delayed they should delay their phone also
Posted by Detox
On 2014-11-27 10:55:33, motvikt wrote:
If they release the next flagship with 805 they might as well quit the mobile business. You could do that a couple of years of ago when the competition wasn't so though. I think Sony knows this too so I guess it wont happen. If 810 is delayed they should delay their phone also
Yeah pretty much this.
Sony prepping a watch with e-paper face and strap:
http://www.xperiablog.net/201[....]h-with-e-paper-face-and-strap/
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Posted by Xajel
I really feel that if the news about 810 is true, then Sony should delay Z4 so it will be a real new, and worth the wait, not to mention that when 810 will come, Sony will not release Z5 by that time which will make them late...
and Z3 still new and can sell well also and it will have the same 9/10 months treat as with Z4 and future products...
Please Sony, if you feel that you must release a phone for 1H duo to 1H financial reports... then make it like the rumoured Z3x and save Z4 for early 810 launch...
Posted by Xajel
But what about the news around regarding the Development platform of the 810 was available few days ago already...
and now this...
http://www.androidheadlines.c[....]on-810-vs-nvidia-tegra-k1.html
Posted by nodarsixar
phonearena is more real..............
Posted by XperiaJunkie
^
Posted by nodarsixar
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Posted by darkthrac
If i want a Z4, how long do i have to wait for it ? February 2015? or more ?
Posted by ascariss
On 2014-11-28 13:27:39, darkthrac wrote:
If i want a Z4, how long do i have to wait for it ? February 2015? or more ?
Assuming all is on track and sony has not delayed the z4, then depending on region mid to late march 2015 at the earliest.
Posted by goldenface
Yup, I think I'll be very interested in the Z4 Compact too. I please to learn that they might be including a DAC in the new phones, not that the current sound quality isn't already excellent.
Posted by JohnnyNr.5
The Fes e-paper smartwatch is powered by sony
http://m.wsj.com/articles/BL-DGB-39128
Posted by nodarsixar
Z4?
https://www.facebook.com/7264[....]94607067240774/?type=1&theater
Posted by DexterMoser
On 2014-11-28 19:12:21, nodarsixar wrote:
Z4?
https://www.facebook.com/7264[....]94607067240774/?type=1&theater
NO?
Posted by nodarsixar
On 2014-11-28 19:15:23, DexterMoser wrote:
On 2014-11-28 19:12:21, nodarsixar wrote:
Z4?
https://www.facebook.com/7264[....]94607067240774/?type=1&theater
NO?
I don't know.....................
Posted by XperiaJunkie
^ It's clearly a render. If the front panel that was leaked a few weeks ago is genuine then the camera and proximity sensor would be on the other side, plus the front sensor on the leaked panel seems to be larger than on the Z3 and these look the same size to me.
[ This Message was edited by: on 2014-11-28 18:58 ]
Posted by nodarsixar
Z4 Ultra? :D
https://www.facebook.com/geor[....]94885987212882/?type=1&theater
Posted by hihihans
Top and bottom bezels are too small to be real.
Posted by Detox
^Just a little
.
nodarsixar, do you pretend to be Sony Georgia?
Posted by DexterMoser
On 2014-11-29 12:15:08, Detox wrote:
^Just a little
.
nodarsixar, do you pretend to be Sony Georgia?
I was 100% sure they're the same
Posted by Xajel
It's rumoured that HTC M9 will also come with Snappy 805 and 3GB...
It's seems that all new rumours are pointing to delying the Snappy 810
Posted by nodarsixar
On 2014-11-30 18:51:15, Xajel wrote:
It's rumoured that HTC M9 will also come with Snappy 805 and 3GB...
It's seems that all new rumours are pointing to delying the Snappy 810
PhoneArena INFO
Z4
5.4 INCH 2K
Snapdragon 805
4GB RAM
20.7MP Camera
3420 Mah battery
Posted by XperiaJunkie
Having a look through Twitter and come across this account while searching the Xperia hashtag, could be genuine could be completely false but does tie in with previous rumors either way it's interesting.
[ This Message was edited by: on 2014-11-30 18:36 ]
[ This Message was edited by: on 2014-11-30 18:39 ]
Posted by MNX1024
@XperiaJunkie That's like a dream spec! I find it a little unbelievable for it to be 7.2mm thin, with the S-Master amp, and such a large battery. If true, I welcome it. Now, I'm actually more interested in the Ultra than anything at this point, any news on that? I just hope it keeps the physical shutter button, same sensor, and some sort of flash/light.
Posted by ascariss
On 2014-11-30 18:51:15, Xajel wrote:
It's rumoured that HTC M9 will also come with Snappy 805 and 3GB...
It's seems that all new rumours are pointing to delying the Snappy 810
There might be a reason why it is only SD805 and not 810
@evleaks tweeted “Slated for a first quarter 2015 launch, the HTC M9 and HTC M9 Prime will be the next full refreshes of the One Max family.”
I can't seem to find the tweet on his account, maybe it is an old one.
About the upcoming specs we don’t have any confirmed reports but according to 3G website, the new M9 said to sport a 5.5” display with resolution of QHD (2560 x 1440), under the hood there’ll be a hexa-core Snapdragon 808 and also octa-core Snapdragon processors, 3GB of RAM and the device will running Android Lollipop. The reports also said the device could get a 5.2” Display with the same resolution, with 64GB or 128GB of internal storage and more powerful battery and 13MP camera.
http://en.mobi4all.com/latest[....]rumors-release-date-and-specs/
So different specs here, source is here from nov 22nd. The sites states 808 or 810, nothing about 805. Although I thought the 808 was due much later than the 810.
Some random tweets mention a January 2015 launch or debut, and available in first quarter, so first 3 months, and since the 810 is not due until late Q1, it would mean the M9 would be too early to have it. Other sites mentjon a MWC debut, would would still be in the 1st quarter and the M9 could come with the 810. HTC knows others like Samsung and Sony will feature the 810 (if it is not delayed), so HTC knows they need to be on top of the game as well with the 810.
Whatever the specs, 805 or 810 or 808, HTC can't get their next device wrong, otherwise their bottom line won't be looking too good. Perhaps HTC want to be earlier to market to get ahead with sales but I doubt 1-2 months extra will lead more sales when people will wait for S6 and perhaps Z4.
I thought the point of Lollipop was to move to 64bit architecture and not stick to the older CPUs. Releasing a device with 805 would not be future proofing it enough i feel.
More info on 810 dev kits
http://linuxgizmos.com/androi[....]y-octacore-snapdragon-designs/
Regardless, right now things are up in the air regarding actual concrete specs for the Z4. No doubt, Sony is themselves leaking false information to "insiders" to mislead and misdirect. I am sure Sony has learned from the past (at least I hope) that shipping with an older processor is not good for the long term. Anywyas, just throwing out ideas to keep the discussion going.
One final question on my part, would overheating be an issue with a 20nm process? I thought that by having a smaller process helps reduce the heat in a cpu by reducing the power consumption and lowering voltage? As for any problems with little big, is this the same thing samsung had, where the global task scheduling didn't work? I doubt qualcomm would have issue with this just now and not earlier in the development. And if there were problems with big.LITTLE, the problems would have shown up during the development would they not? Also from what I recall, the 810 is not a custom chip design like the previous Snapdragons, and it mostly just an ARM design.
As for Ram frequency problems? Is this due to the LPDDR4 ram? Not idea how frequency plays a role in ram, but I feel this is solved with the new arm instructions v8? Maybe I am mistaken. I feel there is no RAM issue personally.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big.LITTLE_Config
Again, wouldn't Qualcomm delay the development kits if there were problems with the ram or any other part of the SoC? It ships to developers in mid december, and has already been sampled to manufacturers so unless there are any delays the companies are keeping it quiet, because I feel such news as a problem with the SD810 would leak no?
Anyways, whatever will happen, will happen and there is nothing we can do about it.
As MNX1024's post, I feel 7.2mm is thin, especially with such a large battery which will not be needed, but still possible. Look at this way, new CPU, 20nm, new lower power ram, and more efficient GPU. This all results in much decreased power consumption. Assuming Sony is smart (not always the case) and uses a very good screen with less power consumption than the current screen on the Z3, then again more efficiency there. The other issue is the cellular modem, it is again a new modem, so hopefully this uses less energy as well. I am sure the rest of the components will be smaller meaning he device can get thinner and smaller but again there are limits and physics can't be broken. The thickness of the Z4 will probably be mainly determined by the size of the sensor module and how small it will be. If the rumours that the new 1/2.4 sensor will not arrive in time, and the current 1/2.3 will be in its place, then thickness will be similar to the Z3, perhaps a few mm thinner. Z3 is 7.3, so 7.2mm is possible if all components shrink and the battery can be slightly smaller, yet still deliver similar battery life.
As for any S-master amp, look at the M-series walkman, that features a S-master amp and it is a small device
http://ascii.jp/elem/000/000/846/846689/
Here it is taken apart, http://ascii.jp/elem/000/000/846/846726/img.html
Sony could fit it into the Z4, question is, do they want to? Ok I think this is enough writing for one night.
Posted by XperiaJunkie
The jump up in battery capacity isn't that much, 3100 mAh to 3350 mAh in a larger 5.5" display would be more than possible I feel.
Posted by Xajel
@ascariss
Every thing is possible at this point as we don't have any solid rumour around, both the news about 810 and 805 are strong and this is why we're thirsty for any more info.
regarding that M9 might either come with 64GB or 128GB, now I feel Sony should not move to 32GB, but directly to 64GB instead... it's Apple and HTC, and I'm sure Samsung will also do the jump, while HTC jumped to 32GB a while ago skipping any 16GB versions, Apple skipped the 32GB and offered 16GB to satisfy the carriers and 64GB and 128GB to satisfy them selfs... Samsung started to offer 16GB and 32GB for their devices...
Sony is like HTC, doesn't provide multiple options.. so it's either 32GB or 64GB.. and now looking that all other major makers are moving to 64GB I hope Sony will make the big jump and skipping 32GB all together...
Regarding over heating, it's not about 20nm, it's about optimising the design : after designing the masks and these stuff for manufacturing, the fabs ( the manufacturing plant for semiconductors are called fabs ) will not move directly to production, instead it will create multiple samples in corporation with the maker/design these samples might not work at all in the beginning, so they will commit few changes to the design and re do it again, it might need few different changes to the design in order to get the right changes... but sometimes a whole patch that depends on a specific design might work perfectly except overheating... overheating comes normally from electrons leaks within the design lowering the working freq. duo to increased noise and increasing the heat duo to waste of power with these leaks... more changes to the design is needed to avoid such leaks...
Even the development samples might be not the final silicon, and even after delivering the product successfully, they will optimise it further and re produce it in order to gain more power ( increase the freq. for example without increasing power/heat )
The Samsung issue they had was much worse, the scheduler was faulty as it didn't know when to switch the cores, and that octa core design wasn't capable of running all the 8 cores together do to incomplete big.LITTLE implementation... that chip was released way before any other maker released octa-core so we can safely say that the design was actually not production-ready but they just used it in their products ( at least the Galaxy S4 i9500 )... and soon after they released another chip with exactly same spec. but different model number which was not faulty and worked normally...
Regarding the spec. I feel these are plausible if we take into account the larger screen which will be able to spread more components without increasing the Z height, or even making it even slimmer, and as said... 0.1mm is not that much of a different to make us wonder !!
Posted by amirprog
I have no doubt that z4 devices will have the spec mentioned in the twitter message above. 7.2mm sound believable for a 5.5" device because it has bigger surface, as opposed to that "tipster" info that phonearena mentioned that said 5.7mm for ultra which is obviously false info.
regarding s810, there is plenty of time for sony to test and equip it in z4 devices as they will be released worldwide in april=q2. only the announcement will be in march.
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Posted by goldenface
No, I can't imagine the Z4 Ultra taking that much of a drop in thinness but Sony is capable of surprising us so it's not completely out of the question.
Posted by XperiaJunkie
Another possible leak from that Twitter account that mentioned the Z4 spec. Very plausible specs, intrigued in the "Walkman" side of it.
Posted by napahlm
Can we expect a z4 compact early 2015? My contract expires in march. And I just dropped my ZR, cracking the frame. Should I hold on for the Z4 compact och go for z3 compact?
Posted by goldenface
I suppose it depends on how much of an upgrade the Z4C specs will be. It's hard to imagine a huge jump in specs, may be a new lens for the camera, slightly slimmer, a slightly bigger screen. . . .
The leak above looks like something similar to the E1, with the dedicated Walkman button and loud speakers.
Posted by JohnnyNr.5
On 2014-12-02 16:40:15, goldenface wrote:
I suppose it depends on how much of an upgrade the Z4C specs will be. It's hard to imagine a huge jump in specs, may be a new lens for the camera, slightly slimmer, a slightly bigger screen. . . .
A completely new soc (SD810) alone can be considered as a huge jump...Then there is the rumored 4GB of RAM and 32GB of ROM and that 4,7" 1080p display.
Posted by XperiaJunkie
I know back in the old SE days the Walkman brand was bigger than the Cybershot brand so a low entry Walkman device makes sense. Would be great if it has dual speakers on a budget device, would help differentiate from similar priced smartphones.
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Posted by JohnnyNr.5
with those rumored specs the walkman xperia has to be priced way below 120USD or it's DOA. Competition is getting stronger every quarter. Meizu is rumored to release a 170USD phone with an 64-bit MediaTek SoC, 2GB RAM, LTE support and a 4.6" 1080p display
Posted by goldenface
Sony seen growth in the low-end according to the recent infographic, I seem to remember.
When was the last time Sony put a 5.0MP cam on a mid range phone? Could the above specs belong to the next low-end Xperia™ E4?
Posted by XperiaJunkie
@goldenface The E3 can be found for as little as £89.99 in the UK which I think is a very good price. It did launch in my store @ £149.99 but is now less than £100, could the sudden price drop indicate that the possible leaked spec are indeed for the E4, it kind of points that way.
Posted by amirprog
@goldenface
5.7mm thickness for z4 ultra and even for z4 tablet is out of the question considering the internals that sony put inside the flags, just look at this z3 teardown, the camera sensor is almost as thick as the whole phone (!): http://www.ewisetech.com/Pages/Article/125_1.aspx and don't forget that devices have chassis (!). 5.7mm is seriously not possible, not in 2015 anyway.
a surprise would be maintaining around the thickness of z3 (7.3mm) = 7mm-7mm+ for z4 and z4 ultra. that would be amazing if they can do that. i would seriously bow them.
Posted by amirprog
btw, that "an onymous xperia insider" basically say there won't be next z ultra, at least not in first half of 2015. scroll down to his first twitter message: https://twitter.com/Xperia_Insider
"#MWC15 #SONY #XPERIA #Z4 #Z4COMPACT #Z4TABLET".
is sony betting on 5.5" z4 as an answer for phablet consumers?
Posted by ascariss
Thing is, anyone can just create a username and tweet pretty close information based on random posts and leaks.
Anyways, a 5.5 inch device is probably the response for the 5.5 inch LG G3 and quite possibly the G4 which should be 5.5 as well, unless LG decides to make it bigger for ridiculous reasons.
As for no new Z ultra in 1H of 2015, makes sense, w phablet would best come in the 2nd half, Q3 to battle the next note.
Posted by xperiazultra
On 2014-12-02 21:45:51, amirprog wrote:
btw, that "an onymous xperia insider" basically say there won't be next z ultra, at least not in first half of 2015. scroll down to his first twitter message: https://twitter.com/Xperia_Insider
"#MWC15 #SONY #XPERIA #Z4 #Z4COMPACT #Z4TABLET".
is sony betting on 5.5" z4 as an answer for phablet consumers?
I asked the xperia insider via twitter. He\she said that there is a Xperia Z4 Ultra with same specs as Z4 apart from camera. But he is not sure if it is due to MWC. He said the specs are
6.44 QHD screen
Sd 810
4 gb ram
6.9 mm thickness
Camera unknown.
Posted by goldenface
There are so many ultra-thin tablets out now that I'm presuming Sony will give up on the 'thin' race. Yes, it's great for bragging rights but the optics are compromised.
I think a Z4 Ultra with the current 20.7mp cam will fare better than the Z Ultra. If they increase the Z4 Ultra thickness, shortened the height and included the best camera I think that would do pretty well.
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