Posted by cu015170
Sony doesn't need to pick one or the other, they can have both systems run on their hardware like HTC for example..
On 2014-10-31 18:38:57, testarlol wrote:
And yes, Gitaroo is certainly correct when he states that only a very small part of Microsoft's revenues comes from their highly unsuccesful venture into mobile phones and tablets (their first two Surface tablets even resulted in billion-dollar write-offs for Microsoft).
I was addressing the "everything else is tanking" comment, which is clearly not true.
[ This Message was edited by: cu015170 on 2014-10-31 19:38 ]
Posted by Tsepz_GP
What about Xbox branding in WP? How will Sony avoid that? Will they have to make their own PS software for WP and take away from the WP Xbox Live gaming experience in WP?
How will Sony differentiate themselves SW wise? will we have both PS and Xbox in one phone?
HTC, Samsung and many other OEMs in WP seem to struggle to differentiate themselves, so much so that you now have HTC rereleasing an Android phone many months later with WP in it, using its Android popularity to drive sales in WP, its a bit sad, after all the work they've done with the 8X, 8S and many other WP phones they made, they are now left to do this.
I just don't see WP helping Sony, they need something new and fresh, and you know what? In Android they can achieve that with a whole UI design change and HW design change.
Posted by Gitaroo
On 2014-10-31 20:37:44, cu015170 wrote:
Sony doesn't need to pick one or the other, they can have both systems run on their hardware like HTC for example..
On 2014-10-31 18:38:57, testarlol wrote:
And yes, Gitaroo is certainly correct when he states that only a very small part of Microsoft's revenues comes from their highly unsuccesful venture into mobile phones and tablets (their first two Surface tablets even resulted in billion-dollar write-offs for Microsoft).
I was addressing the "everything else is tanking" comment, which is clearly not true.
[ This Message was edited by: cu015170 on 2014-10-31 19:38 ]
What I meant was everything that is not PC software related, tablet, phones, zune etc.
[ This Message was edited by: Gitaroo on 2014-10-31 21:57 ]
Posted by Gitaroo
On 2014-10-31 21:56:34, Tsepz_GP wrote:
What about Xbox branding in WP? How will Sony avoid that? Will they have to make their own PS software for WP and take away from the WP Xbox Live gaming experience in WP?
How will Sony differentiate themselves SW wise? will we have both PS and Xbox in one phone?
HTC, Samsung and many other OEMs in WP seem to struggle to differentiate themselves, so much so that you now have HTC rereleasing an Android phone many months later with WP in it, using its Android popularity to drive sales in WP, its a bit sad, after all the work they've done with the 8X, 8S and many other WP phones they made, they are now left to do this.
I just don't see WP helping Sony, they need something new and fresh, and you know what? In Android they can achieve that with a whole UI design change and HW design change.
The market just can't handle a 3 OS now, or a brand new eco system where the other 2 are so far developed. As simple as that, no matter how much money MS pump into the Windows phone OS they can never keep up.
Posted by cu015170
On 2014-10-31 22:57:00, Gitaroo wrote:
What I meant was everything that is not PC software related, tablet, phones, zune etc.
So you are talking about consumer hardware ? I though you mean everything else that Microsoft does which is a lot more than just that
On 2014-10-31 21:56:34, Tsepz_GP wrote:
What about Xbox branding in WP?
I think that is the biggest issue and I really don't see a way around it unfortunately unless Microsoft agrees to have a special deal with Sony and exclude the xbox branding but that's extremely unlikely.
I don't think about that to be honest but its obviously a big obstacle.
Posted by badassmam
It's Sony vs. Microsoft so I don't see them working together anytime soon. WP handsets will surely have XBox One compatibility while you've already seen the PS4 connectivity with the Xperia Z3.
Posted by supercoolman
On 2014-11-01 02:33:43, badassmam wrote:
It's Sony vs. Microsoft so I don't see them working together anytime soon. WP handsets will surely have XBox One compatibility while you've already seen the PS4 connectivity with the Xperia Z3.
or XPERIA Z3 taking over XBox joystick
just a wild thought
Posted by nodarsixar
Xperia Z4
5.4 inch 1080P HD OLED screen
the battery capacity of 3500 to 3700 mA
ultra-thin, ultra-narrow frame, body size: 6.2 ~ 6.7 * 73 * 143mm
rapid charging technology (1 hour full charge)
Processor: Qualcomm 810
black, white, pink, purple, gold, green, orange
22MP camera
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/3369911007
Posted by JohnnyNr.5
Except for soc and camera the specs sound unlikely.
Posted by xperiazultra
On 2014-11-01 15:30:35, nodarsixar wrote:
Xperia Z4
5.4 inch 1080P HD OLED screen
the battery capacity of 3500 to 3700 mA
ultra-thin, ultra-narrow frame, body size: 6.2 ~ 6.7 * 73 * 143mm
rapid charging technology (1 hour full charge)
Processor: Qualcomm 810
black, white, pink, purple, gold, green, orange
22MP camera
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/3369911007
At the bottom he says my ideal Z4
Posted by king-james
Sony can put best specs into a device, it won't help to come out from the ****** basement.
They need fast new ideas and a big improvement in build quality... And making commercials that it's devices are waterresistant is the biggest joke ever... Poor customers who have believed on that and Sony leaves them in lurch.
Posted by unknownC151A
On 2014-11-01 22:47:06, king-james wrote:
Sony can put best specs into a device, it won't help to come out from the ****** basement.
They need fast new ideas and a big improvement in build quality... And making commercials that it's devices are waterresistant is the biggest joke ever... Poor customers who have believed on that and Sony leaves them in lurch.
There's nothing wrong with the current build quality - my new Z2 is holding well.
Your final sentence made zero sense.
Sony just needs more marketing, as simple as that.
Their phones are great.
And for the WP troll, Sony should make WP phones because Microsoft is doing well compared to Sony. That's total bs. Thank god WP market share is shrinking. No one wants it.
Posted by itsjustJOH
On 2014-11-01 21:48:21, xperiazultra wrote:
On 2014-11-01 15:30:35, nodarsixar wrote:
Xperia Z4
5.4 inch 1080P HD OLED screen
the battery capacity of 3500 to 3700 mA
ultra-thin, ultra-narrow frame, body size: 6.2 ~ 6.7 * 73 * 143mm
rapid charging technology (1 hour full charge)
Processor: Qualcomm 810
black, white, pink, purple, gold, green, orange
22MP camera
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/3369911007
At the bottom he says my ideal Z4
[ This Message was edited by: itsjustJOH on 2014-11-02 05:44 ]
Posted by XperiaJunkie
I have it on good authority from the same person who told me about Sony ditching the 6 month flagship release before before other websites got wind of it.The Xperia Z4 will have a QHD display of 5.5" so this is no longer a rumour and pretty much all but confirmed.
On 2014-10-12 11:38:20, XperiaJunkie wrote:
Here is one rumour for next year's thred. My Sony ADM and his boss told me and few others in the same room (on a bus actually @ a Z3 promo tour) that Sony as of next will move to 9 to 10 month refresh cycle rather than 6. Starting @ MWC in March then CES in January 2016 then IFA in September 2016 and so on.
Posted by itsjustJOH
@XperiaJunkie Indeed you were the first one, how about other devices? Tablet, phablet?
Posted by XperiaJunkie
^ The only info I was given was about QHD display being used. There was no mention of a tablet or phablet but considering Sony like to mirror the specs between phone and Tablet I would give an educated guess that the Tablet Z4 will have the same resolution and if there is a new phablet next year I'd imagine that to have the same aswell.
Posted by ascariss
I seriously wonder if Sony has the tech to make the 5.5 inch Z4 remain similar in size to the Z3. Will be interesting how close to the Z3 they can make it, otherwise, it will be too big to use with out hand.
Posted by XperiaJunkie
It will be possible just look at the Z3 Compact. It's screen jumped up by the same 0.3 of an inch and kept the hight and width virtually the same as the Z1 Compact
The hight and width of the Z3 is 146mm x 72mm. The 5.5“ QHD display by JDI measures up at 128.26mm x 70.94mm so it would fit but at a push. It would mean extremely thin bezels close to the LG G3 and it would also be a fantastic feat of design and engineering if Sony could pull it off.
[ This Message was edited by: XperiaJunkie on 2014-11-02 16:47 ]
Posted by xperiazultra
Xperia Z4 Ultra
Posted by Xajel
On 2014-11-02 17:46:05, XperiaJunkie wrote:
It will be possible just look at the Z3 Compact. It's screen jumped up by the same 0.3 of an inch and kept the hight and width virtually the same as the Z1 Compact
The hight and width of the Z3 is 146mm x 72mm. The 5.5“ QHD display by JDI measures up at 128.26mm x 70.94mm so it would fit but at a push. It would mean extremely thin bezels close to the LG G3 and it would also be a fantastic feat of design and engineering if Sony could pull it off.
[ This Message was edited by: XperiaJunkie on 2014-11-02 16:47 ]
It will not be possible, At least they will be forced to make it a little bit wider, the different is only 1.06mm which makes only 0.53mm at each side which is not practical at all even with very hard metal casing as any small dent will break the display...
If Sony engineers worked hard enough they will be able to keep the height the same, but widen the phone a little bit, but to be more practical design and usability they will need to make it a little bit longer also as short gaps will mean a lot of accidental touch by other parts of the hand ( the main down-side of narrow gaps )
Posted by nodarsixar
Xperia Z3 5.2 INCH 146 x 72mm VS LG G3 5.5 INCH 146.3 x 74.6
I like LG G3 Dimensions
Posted by king-james
^
I like... the 5.5" Sharp Aquos Crystal X dimensions 139 x 73 x 11mm...
Posted by nodarsixar
On 2014-11-02 19:39:32, king-james wrote:
^
I like... the 5.5\" Sharp Aquos Crystal X dimensions 139 x 73 x 11mm... :roll:
I like too :D
Posted by nodarsixar
Z4 Compact in March going to be?
:ta:
Posted by josephnero
@nodarsixar
G3 is not water proof,has smaller sensor and is in most parts thicker.
also using a taller device is easier than holding a wide one. at least that's my preference
Posted by nodarsixar
Authentic?
Posted by Ebato
G3 is fake metal, just painted plastic. That alone is a huge NO
Posted by DexterMoser
On 2014-11-02 20:58:56, nodarsixar wrote:
Authentic?
Maybe, but the information is quite old and IF it's authentic, then it isn't the Z4's sensor. 2/3" is too large to fit in (most likely).
Posted by xperiazultra
I think Z3X exists. This info is about it. It was seen on Antutu also. No reason for sony to abandon it.
Posted by Xajel
On 2014-11-05 07:11:11, xperiazultra wrote:
I think Z3X exists. This info is about it. It was seen on Antutu also. No reason for sony to abandon it.
Sony abandoned some phones before even after showing up in Antutu, so if they see the Z3X is not plausible ( for any reason ) then they will not release it...
Posted by XperiaJunkie
@xperiazultra Antutu can easily be faked so the posting may not even be genuine but how about this for a stab in the dark, Sony put up a fake Antutu posting show possible specs of a future device and then wait to see what reaction is given by the publics response. If mainly positive then Sony go ahead and build such a thing and if negative response the scrap the idea with little ot no R&D and manufacturing cost, as I said it's a shot in the dark but certainly possible.
Posted by xperiazultra
On 2014-11-05 09:18:45, XperiaJunkie wrote:
@xperiazultra Antutu can easily be faked so the posting may not even be genuine but how about this for a stab in the dark, Sony put up a fake Antutu posting show possible specs of a future device and then wait to see what reaction is given by the publics response. If mainly positive then Sony go ahead and build such a thing and if negative response the scrap the idea with little ot no R&D and manufacturing cost, as I said it's a shot in the dark but certainly possible.
I guess the reaction to such a device is positive right now.
Posted by Xajel
^^^
A positive reaction does not always mean a successful device. You might think that this phones is amazing, some other will also think the same, but if you ask them will you guys buy it ? they will say no.. it's still but it's not my type... the same went for the first Ultra, it has positive reviews duo to spec. and performance but it was not a hit duo to it's size, and seeing any classifieds website you will see a lot of it's owners want to sell it... it's size was the main reason. it was just way over sized... it might have a market, but not that huge for Sony to maintain.
Posted by xperiazultra
On 2014-11-05 12:57:02, Xajel wrote:
^^^
A positive reaction does not always mean a successful device. You might think that this phones is amazing, some other will also think the same, but if you ask them will you guys buy it ? they will say no.. it's still but it's not my type... the same went for the first Ultra, it has positive reviews duo to spec. and performance but it was not a hit duo to it's size, and seeing any classifieds website you will see a lot of it's owners want to sell it... it's size was the main reason. it was just way over sized... it might have a market, but not that huge for Sony to maintain.
Well make it 6 inches then problem solved. Using the same internals won't bring so much difficulties for Sony. There is this trend towards phablets. With the first gen Z Ultra there was almost zero marketing. No led flash, bad speakers, lack of cases, bad camera, screen going blank issue for god's sake. It had many drawbacks aside from its size. So blaming the size is kind of irrelevant. Premium phablet market is there, dominated by Sammy. With people losing interest to Samsung products, Sony may pretty well grab a decent share. Sorry for my English by the way.
Posted by Xajel
Being a new market by it self is hard for the struggling Sony, and going down to 6" will make it very close to the Z4's 5.5" which is already a phablet by it self...
I believe if Sony cancelled or postponed next Ultra then it's because of it's recent change in marketing by going for fewer devices to maintain and worry about.
but that's if, Sony might actually still planning this device but the recent changes made them reschedule some planned devices and cancel others... but seeing some leaks pointing to the non-existence of Z3X, not to mention the strange naming which seems to be old now as we're closing forward to Z4 launch after 3-4 months...
Posted by xperiazultra
On 2014-11-05 14:57:47, Xajel wrote:
Being a new market by it self is hard for the struggling Sony, and going down to 6" will make it very close to the Z4's 5.5" which is already a phablet by it self...
I believe if Sony cancelled or postponed next Ultra then it's because of it's recent change in marketing by going for fewer devices to maintain and worry about.
but that's if, Sony might actually still planning this device but the recent changes made them reschedule some planned devices and cancel others... but seeing some leaks pointing to the non-existence of Z3X, not to mention the strange naming which seems to be old now as we're closing forward to Z4 launch after 3-4 months...
They stated that the premium handsets will get more attention. So compact and flagship only? By the way, 0.5 inches is a very large amount.
[ This Message was edited by: xperiazultra on 2014-11-05 15:43 ]
Posted by -XYZ
How many units did the Z Ultra sell?
Did the revenue generated account for the costs associated with R&D and manufacturing?
Was it profitable?
If the answer to this is yes, then a successor may be viable. If no, then there is little point.
Simple economics.
Posted by xperiazultra
On 2014-11-05 17:42:27, -XYZ wrote:
How many units did the Z Ultra sell?
Did the revenue generated account for the costs associated with R&D and manufacturing?
Was it profitable?
If the answer to this is yes, then a successor may be viable. If no, then there is little point.
Simple economics.
Well making a successor is much cheaper than making it the first time. By the way using the same hardware will keep the costs to minimum. Well I like my Z Ultra but Sony will keep losing since the highend phablet territory belongs to Android and Sony is not in it. God help them. Lol.
Posted by Wintermute
Re: a 6 inch Ultra being too close to the 5.5 inch Z4, I disagree. Remember, screen area is a quadratic function of screen diagonal, which means the bigger the display, the bigger the difference each 1" increment in diagonal makes. So even though 6 inches is "only" 0.5 inches bigger than 5.5, the screen actually has 19% more area. I think that's enough for a separate model. If you wanted a little more separation between the two, you could go 6.1," and you could still make it much smaller than the original Ultra.
Posted by xperiazultra
On 2014-11-05 19:11:05, Wintermute wrote:
Re: a 6 inch Ultra being too close to the 5.5 inch Z4, I disagree. Remember, screen area is a quadratic function of screen diagonal, which means the bigger the display, the bigger the difference each 1" increment in diagonal makes. So even though 6 inches is "only" 0.5 inches bigger than 5.5, the screen actually has 19% more area. I think that's enough for a separate model. If you wanted a little more separation between the two, you could go 6.1," and you could still make it much smaller than the original Ultra.
Thank you.
Posted by Gitaroo
Sony should also work on shrinking the bezels too and thickness, that can differentiate the 2 products. But I think if they do make a new Z ultra they should definitely got 6.2".
Posted by XperiaJunkie
I can understand the need for smaller bezels but to reduce the thickness of a phone would only result in smaller battery capacity and potentially a smaller camera sensor, that's why the Z range of lately has large top and bottom bezels as the sensor is not behind the screen but in the very top corner so rather than making a bump or making the phone to thick they just made it taller. Thickness on a phone has never bothered me personally if an extra mm or two adds a few more hundred mAh to a battery then I'm all for that.
Posted by xperiazultra
On 2014-11-05 21:16:28, XperiaJunkie wrote:
I can understand the need for smaller bezels but to reduce the thickness of a phone would only result in smaller battery capacity and potentially a smaller camera sensor, that's why the Z range of lately has large top and bottom bezels as the sensor is not behind the screen but in the very top corner so rather than making a bump or making the phone to thick they just made it taller. Thickness on a phone has never bothered me personally if an extra mm or two adds a few more hundred mAh to a battery then I'm all for that.
I am also ok with the bezels since it keeps the phone slim. Also with larger displays landscape mode is more ergonomic that way. Side bezels may be reduced. Again I hope Sony makes the phablet sometime mid year because I really love the slim omnibalance design. Cheers.
Posted by Ricky D
I don't know if it is new tech or not, but I saw a slide from a Sony presentation the other day which showed a lens off-set from the sensor and the incoming light being reflected 90º twice to increase the distance between the lens and the sensor.
The tech effectively means larger lenses can still make thin camera modules.
I'll see if I can dig it out...
Posted by huiyi
Z4 is probably known specifications. CPU 8994, sensor 2070! 1080P.5.2 inch display is the international version! US version of the display is QHD! IP6 / 8!
Posted by Ricky D
Thank huiyi
Same size and resolution screen and camera. only the CPU gets a significant upgrade.
Posted by maloqs
Hmm why Z3/Z4 tablet has more known specs than Z4 itself?
[ This Message was edited by: maloqs on 2014-11-07 00:33 ]
Posted by nodarsixar
On 2014-11-07 01:13:18, huiyi wrote:
Z4 is probably known specifications. CPU 8994, sensor 2070! 1080P.5.2 inch display is the international version! US version of the display is QHD! IP6 / 8!
battery?
design?
Posted by Gitaroo
On 2014-11-07 01:31:57, Ricky D wrote:
Thank huiyi
Same size and resolution screen and camera. only the CPU gets a significant upgrade.
If that is the case then skipping Z4.
Posted by ascariss
I have no problems with the size being the same, I don't need a 5.5 inch device. 1080P is fine, will def help in the battery department as well.
What worries me is the sensor, if it remains the same unit.