Posted by JohnnyNr.5
I would consider SD810, better camera, 32GB ROM and Android L with new Sony UI as a big leap. Personally that would justify an upgrade from Z3 to Z4. Everything else like 4GB RAM, QHD Display, Wireless Charging... is a nice "add-on".
Posted by XperiaJunkie
Here is one rumour for next year's thred. My Sony ADM and his boss told me and few others in the same room (on a bus actually @ a Z3 promo tour) that Sony as of next will move to 9 to 10 month refresh cycle rather than 6. Starting @ MWC in March then CES in January 2016 then IFA in September 2016 and so on.
Posted by goldenface
That sort of makes sense. The six month cycle was so they could catch up with the competition. Now, they're surpassing some of it.
Posted by hihihans
9 or 10 months cycles give Sony lots of extra time to make the successor a real upgrade. Good decision imo.
Posted by Xajel
@XperiaJunkie
This will be better than 6 months, and a step closer towards 12 months cycle which IMHO is the best choice...
but having a 9-10 months cycle will break the upgrade plans for many as most peoples has 12, 18, 24 months plans... it might fit the 18 months plan ( every other phone in a 9 months cycle )
Posted by goldenface
It's neither good or bad imo.
With the six month cycle, at upgrade time, you'll always have the choice of a pretty recent phone. With twelve months it's possible your only choice could be ten months old.
Posted by itsjustJOH
On 2014-10-12 11:38:20, XperiaJunkie wrote:
Here is one rumour for next year's thred. My Sony ADM and his boss told me and few others in the same room (on a bus actually @ a Z3 promo tour) that Sony as of next will move to 9 to 10 month refresh cycle rather than 6. Starting @ MWC in March then CES in January 2016 then IFA in September 2016 and so on.
Should be better than just 6 months IMO. I guess the reason why some people did not welcome Z3 warmly is because Z2 got delayed and it's like just 2-3 months after it got released and the Z3 got announced.
Posted by xperiazultra
Tell me there will be a 6.2 or larger phablet coming in MWC.
Posted by Xajel
I think Sony should really think about the storage options in their high-end phones. 16GB is not an option for many of us; specially those who are always looking in the high-end phones.
They're already late as no international version had more than 16GB before (except Xperia S, which lacked microSD expansion)
Even HTC did it and moved to 32GB, why Sony can't ? They know even the us carriers are requiring more internal.
So I think it's one of two options
- increase the basic storage to 32GB for all high-end devices
- offer more than one storage options, 16GB and one more 32/64GB and I prefer the 64GB
Posted by itsjustJOH
128 GB + 128 GB SD card!
Posted by amirprog
@itsjustJOH
In the year 2020...
Posted by itsjustJOH
^Nah, I bet Samsung could do it by next year.
Posted by amirprog
I exaggerated a bit
maybe. from what i've seen for samsung its far from 16gb, the software leaves 8gb free. 
i don't think that sony will offer 2 version one 16 and another 32. they most likely just bump it to 32 or 64. the question is when.[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2014-10-14 18:12 ]
Posted by DexterMoser
On 2014-10-14 14:36:52, itsjustJOH wrote:
128 GB + 128 GB SD card!
I need that!
Posted by -XYZ
Sony appear to be cheapskates when it comes to NAND.
Perhaps its the reason they manage to undercut the prices of certain flagships.
The iPhone has a 128GB option, so its not technologically impossible to have that, as well as micro-SD expansion. Its simply a case of whether or not they can take the hit to their bottom line.
Number one priority for them is generating sales and being profitable.
Posted by hihihans
On 2014-10-14 19:26:48, DexterMoser wrote:
On 2014-10-14 14:36:52, itsjustJOH wrote:
128 GB + 128 GB SD card!
I need that!
No you don't
Posted by JohnnyNr.5
Since we're taking about high-end devices (>500EUR/600USD) 16GB ROM is more than just a insolence. If OEM's want me to pay a premium price than I want premium hardware, that simple. 64GB or go home!
Posted by goldenface
If Sony provided 64GB+ roms in their flagship phones then wouldn't they be less likely to include expandable storage? With extra memory, less people would feel the need to expand.
Posted by MNX1024
On 2014-10-14 21:44:21, goldenface wrote:
If Sony provided 64GB+ roms in their flagship phones then wouldn't they be less likely to include expandable storage? With extra memory, less people would feel the need to expand.
The only issue is that you can't write to external memory with non native apps anymore with the latest version of Android.
Posted by testarlol
On 2014-10-11 20:26:48, nodarsixar wrote:
CES 2015=Z3X, Z3S
MWC 2015=Z4,Z4 Tablet, Z4 Ultra, M4, T4
IFA 2015=Z5,Z5 Compact, E5, C5
All= 64bit processor
How certain is this information?
Posted by Wintermute
On 2014-10-14 22:18:16, MNX1024 wrote:
On 2014-10-14 21:44:21, goldenface wrote:
If Sony provided 64GB+ roms in their flagship phones then wouldn't they be less likely to include expandable storage? With extra memory, less people would feel the need to expand.
The only issue is that you can't write to external memory with non native apps anymore with the latest version of Android.
This is not exactly true. Apps can only write to THEIR DIRECTORY on the SD card. So if you had a music player, it could write songs to its directory, but it wouldn't have permission to write just anywhere on the SD card. This is why you can still store music, for instance, on the SD card, but file managers don't work.
Posted by miromiromi
On 2014-10-14 22:18:16, MNX1024 wrote:
On 2014-10-14 21:44:21, goldenface wrote:
If Sony provided 64GB+ roms in their flagship phones then wouldn't they be less likely to include expandable storage? With extra memory, less people would feel the need to expand.
The only issue is that you can't write to external memory with non native apps anymore with the latest version of Android.
then the solution is to file a petition against google. google has been trying to limit sd card capacities on devices to make people rely on their cloud services. consumers should unite to do something about this.
Posted by Xajel
@Wintermute
The problem here is when you have more than one music apps, or even a simple mp3 tag editor... or if you keep your pictures in the microSD then only one app will access it for viewing/editing/managing...
I feel Android should introduce a Media folder with it's own permissions ( apps must require a permission to access it when installed ) so every app has it's own space like now, but still there's your media which can be accessed by all your media apps...
The other problem is that most apps will always use the internal memory even for data and cache, wasting valuable internal memory.. and these apps will not give you any option to save the cache in the external... I guess Android should have a global setting for this...
I know some apps data must be in the internal, but not the cache...
@miromiromi
regarding the cloud, there's two main problems
1- cloud services isn't reliable every where in the globe, most connected users has very poor internet connection or limited bandwidth.
2- cloud services are not available worldwide, even for Google's own services like Books, Music and Movies
So basically if the move fits US or European market they should not force it worldwide where it won't fit at all...
but Google is doing it anyway, so the only solution for users is looking for higher internal storage which Sony does not provide now and still sticking to the 16GB since 3-4 years !!
Posted by DexterMoser
On 2014-10-14 21:01:09, hihihans wrote:
On 2014-10-14 19:26:48, DexterMoser wrote:
I need that!
No you don't
tell that my constant storage warning...
Posted by nodarsixar
my blog :D
http://sonygeorgia.blogspot.com/
Posted by MNX1024
http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_un[....]mp_camera_module-news-9933.php
All I'm going to say is that Sony better step up their came on the imaging department with the next Xperia release.....
Posted by XperiaJunkie
I know we haven't started a 2015 rumours thread yet but LG have announced a 20.7 OIS sensor which is likely to be a Sony sensor used since the Z1. My point is now Sony are letting LG use this sensor does that mean Sony will move on and use the new 2/3" curved sensor in the 2015 flagship Xperia. We've already seen this sensor in use in the KW11 so production is well under way to implement this in the Z3X/Z4.
http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_un[....]mp_camera_module-news-9933.php
[ This Message was edited by: XperiaJunkie on 2014-10-15 14:19 ]
Posted by MNX1024
On 2014-10-15 15:19:09, XperiaJunkie wrote:
I know we haven't started a 2015 rumours thread yet but LG have announced a 20.7 OIS sensor which is likely to be a Sony sensor used since the Z1. My point is now Sony are letting LG use this sensor does that mean Sony will move on and use the new 2/3" curved sensor in the 2015 flagship Xperia. We've already seen this sensor in use in the KW11 so production is well under way to implement this in the Z3X/Z4.
http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_un[....]mp_camera_module-news-9933.php
[ This Message was edited by: XperiaJunkie on 2014-10-15 14:19 ]
The KW11 actually uses a 1/2.3" sensor, not 2/3". But yeah, since Sony is lifting the ban on the 20.7MP sensor's exclusivity, they really need to step it up. Either with adding some sort of hardware based stabilization, increasing sensor size, better autofocusing, or all.
[ This Message was edited by: MNX1024 on 2014-10-15 14:34 ]
Posted by itsjustJOH
Lollipop and the gang!
Joining the party: Android 5.0 Lollipop
Posted by MNX1024
All I'm saying is that the money I have saved up for the Z4/Z3X or what ever it's called is going to the Nexus 6. It is too beautiful to pass up. Also, Sony should introduce a new Ultra device already!
Posted by Xajel
Yeah now even the Nexus is 32GB and 64GB, Sony must do something, Apple already skipped 32GB directly to 64GB and 128GB after the low cost 16GB
[ This Message was edited by: Xajel on 2014-10-15 17:37 ]
Posted by itsjustJOH
@Xajel I thought they skipped the 16 GB?
@MNX1024 Damn Sony should, everyone's going for the phablet size, even Apple who ate their words. Dunno why they skipped the Ultra line, hopefully for something better.
Posted by josephnero
Sony should roll out their plans for lollipop update.something competitive with other manufacturers.that would win over some hearts and loyality
Posted by ascariss
The fact the nexus 9 has a keyboard has me already sold. Really hope it is sold in Poland, if not will have to get my brother to send it from Canada.
Posted by Ricky D
That Nexus 6 is a stunning device. If the Moto logo on the back were non-existent I would be all over it.
I eagerly await Sony's reply.
Posted by JohnnyNr.5
@ascariss No need to import it from Canada. Do a trip to Germany in next weeks and buy it at Media-Markt or Saturn (biggest and most spread tech/multimadia-stores). Price (also on Amazon.de): 16-GB-WiFi-(399,- Euro), 32-GB-WiFi-(489,- Euro) and 32-GB-LTE (569,- Euro).
Posted by Felimenta97
No matter how ground breaking the Xperia Z4 turns to be, Sony will be shooting at their foot, once again, if they don't make 32/64 Gb default models, and release it with Lollipop BUILT IN.
Xperia S was 1 version behind, Xperia T was 1 version behind, Xperia Z was 1 version behind, Xperia Z1 was 1 version behind. The Z2 was kinda of a version behind, and the Z3 wasn't because there wasn't anything new yet.
Posted by JohnnyNr.5
Announcement of Z4 should be around MWC, so we're talking about a timeframe of 4 month. Imo enough time to implement version 5.0 and also to push the Lollipop update to older devices like Z2/Z3. CES announcement is truly another story.
Posted by itsjustJOH
Waiting for Sony's announcement for their 5.0 update plan, though I think it's safe to say that the Z2 and Z3 lineup would get it and probably the Z1 as well. The first Z though...
Posted by Felimenta97
On 2014-10-15 21:35:38, JohnnyNr.5 wrote:
Announcement of Z4 should be around MWC, so we're talking about a timeframe of 4 month. Imo enough time to implement version 5.0 and also to push the Lollipop update to older devices like Z2/Z3. CES announcement is truly another story.
Indeed. 4 months is more than enough. HTC will do it in 3 months. Same for OnePlus. However...
I know the Xperia S was release in a really complicated time for Sony, but:
October 19th 2011 - Android 4.0 (ICS) was announced and released.
February 29th 2012 - Xperia S is released in the first country, with Android 2.3.7
June 21th 2012 - Xperia S is updated to the Android 4.0.4 fw.
8 months, 2 days after the announcement of the next Android version, their flagship is updated to the latest.
Maybe I went back too far? Let's move forware 1 year: The Xperia Z
October 30th 2012: Android 4.2 is announced
March 1st: Xperia Z is released in Hong Kong
June 24th 2013: Xperia Z gets the first Android 4.2.2 OTA
7 months, 24 days after the announcement of the next Android Version, their flagship is updated to the latest (exactly 1 month before 4.3 is announced.
Posted by JohnnyNr.5
4.3 announced: 24.07.2013 /// Z1 running 4.2.2 announced: 4.09.2013 /// updated to 4.3: 16.12.2013 5 month
I see a trend there. 8 month, 7 month and "only" 5 month with Z1
[ This Message was edited by: JohnnyNr.5 on 2014-10-15 21:57 ]
Posted by milukugiuniu
AFAIK，Xperia will get L update on Feb. next year.
Posted by rss_ndrsn
I think these upgrades are necessary for 2015 flagships from Sony:
- 2K display
- same 20.7 mpx Exmor RS sensor as Z3 but with raw mode support, phase detection, optical image stabilization (applicable to 4k video recording as well), better digital processing
- better algorithm for camera and video processing
- HAAC mics for video recording
- dual-tone flash
- Snapdragon 810 SOC LTE-A support
- 32 gb internal memory (anything greater is a waste as the phones wont be supported by Sony after two years)
- fingerfrint and hear-rate sensors
- usb 3.1 or 3.0 with MHL 3
- new UI skin that compliments Sony omnibalance design and less bloatwares (what's new..)
Curved sensor would be nice but Sony should wait until all the camera basics have been covered like the phase detection and ois, and better digital processing before introducing new tech. If not, the improvements that the curved sensor can bring would not be taken advantage of completely.
[ This Message was edited by: rss_ndrsn on 2014-10-16 05:19 ]
Posted by ascariss
On 2014-10-15 19:45:44, JohnnyNr.5 wrote:
@ascariss No need to import it from Canada. Do a trip to Germany in next weeks and buy it at Media-Markt or Saturn (biggest and most spread tech/multimadia-stores). Price (also on Amazon.de): 16-GB-WiFi-(399,- Euro), 32-GB-WiFi-(489,- Euro) and 32-GB-LTE (569,- Euro).
European prices are rip offs, 16gb costs 511 usd vs 450 with taxes in canada.
Plus don't really have time to go to germany due to school, there is no train back on sunday. Also the trip to berlin costs easily around 50 euros from here one way, bringing up the cost even more. I'll see if poland is on the list of countries where it will be available but I doubt it.
Posted by XperiaJunkie
I really do think Sony may surprise a few people with how quickly Lollipop 🍭 will be rolled out. None of us expected 4.4.4 on the Z1 range just days after release from Google, in fact Sony got this firmware to devices quicker than what some GPE devices received it. Samsung are only just rolling out this firmware now and HTC wasn't that quick compared to Sony they actually rolled out 4.4.3 while I already had 4.4.4 on my Z1. I know Lollipop is a major update compared to 4.4.4 but I do think Sony may have a Christmas present for the Z3 range.
[ This Message was edited by: XperiaJunkie on 2014-10-16 08:21 ]
Posted by DexterMoser
^That's what zomg is thinking, kind of. He lost faith
zomgbbqftw
Today, 09:10 PM, Post #10789
Z3 and Z3c are first up. By the end of the year, apparently. However, Sony are a shitty company who don't know how to develop software properly so it will probably be delayed by at least two months.
Today, 09:10 PM, Post #10789
Originally Posted by WhiskerFrisker
Any idea when Sony will update to Android L?
Any idea when Sony will update to Android L?
Z3 and Z3c are first up. By the end of the year, apparently. However, Sony are a shitty company who don't know how to develop software properly so it will probably be delayed by at least two months.
Posted by XperiaJunkie
Sony have today confirmed that the entire Z range (that's 14 devices in total) will get Android 5.0 Lollipop with the rollout to begin early 2015. They have yet to confirm which other devices will receive the update such as the M2, T2 Ultra, E3 and so on.
http://www.xperiablog.net/201[....]lipop-to-all-xperia-z-devices/
[ This Message was edited by: XperiaJunkie on 2014-10-16 19:05 ]
Posted by chunkybeats
Wow that is impressive! I might hold onto my Z a little longer! Just hope they are bug free updates!
Posted by Xajel
This is a very good move, I guess that this will be the last major upgrade for the original Z phone
The good news is if Sony means by early 2015 is Jan/Feb then it will be good, HTC promised 90 days after they recieve the source from google which might be next week (20/21 Oct if I recall), let's say 20 then 90 days will be 20 Jan.
Jan/Feb for Sony is a very good advance in terms of sw updates, I hope they prove it well and not delayed...
Posted by motvikt
Wow didnt expect that, good job Sony