Posted by xperiazultra
On 2014-09-24 08:23:52, Wintermute wrote:
On 2014-09-23 21:58:05, -XYZ wrote:
On 2014-09-23 19:53:20, Wintermute wrote:
I'm not sure I'd agree that Sony needs to compete with Apple.
How can you not compete with Apple?
Maybe try reading the rest of my post for the answer. It's in there.
But, in case you're too lazy, I'll spell it out again here: to make it very simple, you can TRY to compete with Apple, but as long as you're running Android, you're not doing it very effectively. NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, those people who are looking to buy an Apple product are NOT looking at anything running Android. They exclude them at the very beginning when they decide they want iOS, or when they go with iOS because of all the money they've spent on iOS apps. A similar thing has prevented Microsoft from making any progress at all for the last 4 years with Windows Phone: it doesn't matter how good the hardware or software is, they just got in the game too late. By the time there was any decent WP hardware, everybody had already committed to either iOS or Android.
[ This Message was edited by: Wintermute on 2014-09-24 07:27 ]
When you compete with Apple, you become the top Android OEM. What is more to say?
Posted by xperiazultra
On 2014-09-24 10:20:58, ascariss wrote:
Don't think Sony has a chance with Apple, they are the first to have a curved LCD. Sony will definitely have to add bending technology to their next flagship, it is the only way to compete. Damn
Lol. Shame the feature is ip6 and ip6+ exclusive.
Posted by miromiromi
it's really unfair that even apple is blatantly copying that feature from sony.
have they no shame?
this is really unacceptable! they even copied those rounded corners!
http://www.phonearena.com/new[....]-no-reason-claim-users_id51383
and of course i'm kidding.
[ This Message was edited by: miromiromi on 2014-09-24 16:21 ]
Posted by alexander87
Samsung payroll goons doing their thing.
Common sense tells you that there are some MURICA phat ppl placing their phone on the butt pocket, nothing more, heat is not an issue.
Posted by xperiazultra
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On 2014-09-24 12:04:08, miromiromi wrote:
it's really unfair that even apple is blatantly copying that feature from sony.
have they no shame?
this is really unacceptable! they even copied those rounded corners!
http://www.phonearena.com/new[....]-no-reason-claim-users_id51383
[ This Message was edited by: miromiromi on 2014-09-24 11:06 ]
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One User states this. Funny actually. Evil forces trying to bend people's Sony phones. I would give it credit if it was seen on the majority of the handsets. Lame claim
Posted by u2jewel
OT, but was curious
I was watching the season premier of The Blacklist season 2, and the trend continues because I think I saw the Z3 in black. Once playing music on the table and the other time when the phone was handed over to the man on the stretcher.
Any other sony product placements I missed?
Posted by Luca-S
My old Xperia Z1 that i sold to my cousin have almost 1 year now and it still perfectly straight.
Funny... I just saw that pic but a lot of complains about Z1... With the same pic
Posted by -XYZ
Metal is a largely malleable, inelastic substance. If left unreinforced, it will bend.
Plastic will flex in an elastic manner and return to its original shape. If flexed too far, it will break.
Physics.
iPhones being exceedingly thin, and with no internal reinforcements to speak of, will bend rather quickly.
Posted by xperiazultra
On 2014-09-24 21:15:35, -XYZ wrote:
Metal is a largely malleable, inelastic substance. If left unreinforced, it will bend.
Plastic will flex in an elastic manner and return to its original shape. If flexed too far, it will break.
Physics.
iPhones being exceedingly thin, and with no internal reinforcements to speak of, will bend rather quickly.
As a metallurgist i agree. Apple should have reinforced it from the inside at least.
Posted by tors
On 2014-09-24 22:10:05, xperiazultra wrote:
On 2014-09-24 21:15:35, -XYZ wrote:
Metal is a largely malleable, inelastic substance. If left unreinforced, it will bend.
Plastic will flex in an elastic manner and return to its original shape. If flexed too far, it will break.
Physics.
iPhones being exceedingly thin, and with no internal reinforcements to speak of, will bend rather quickly.
As a metallurgist i agree. Apple should have reinforced it from the inside at least.
I agree with these Sony Xperia rumours
Posted by -XYZ
Forgive me.
It's just, there are no rumours to speak of...
Posted by xperiazultra
So Xperia Z4, Z4 ultra and Z3 Tablet is due to MWC?
Posted by itsjustJOH
Yes, most probably. And sans the ultra.
Posted by Xajel
@xperialzultra
I guess it will be Z4 tablet... and AFAIK there will no Ultra... none of the insiders ( or peoples who know ) mentioned anything about it, and some said that there's no upcoming Ultra in the timeline.
this is AFAIK, maybe some knows/remember things I've missed.
Posted by mefa2
Is Z4 Compact also rumored for MWC unveiling?
Posted by JohnnyNr.5
Looks like Compact will get a successor once a year. So next would be a Z5 Compact (IFA 2015)
Posted by Xajel
AFAIK, no
Compact and Tablets has a 1 year cycle, only the flagship has half-year cycle...
So you have Z3 compact now, and in next year second half you will have Z5, Z5 Compact ( and maybe Z5 tablet compact also )
Posted by goldenface
Z4 Compact? What could they possible do to justify a Z4 Compact. It would be too soon. I think there will be a Z4, Z4 Tablet and most likely a Z4 Ultra, although I doubt the Ultra.
Posted by nodarsixar
CES- Z3X, Z3S
MWC- Z4, Z4 Tablet
IFA-Z5, Z5 Compact, Z5 Tablet compact
Posted by mefa2
Thanks for answers! It looks like it's good idea to buy Z3C now
Posted by xperiazultra
On 2014-09-25 10:23:40, nodarsixar wrote:
CES- Z3X, Z3S
MWC- Z4, Z4 Tablet
IFA-Z5, Z5 Compact, Z5 Tablet compact
So Z3X is the camera centric phone. What is Z3S? I am 100 percent sure a phablet will be introduced. Z4 ultra or whatever it is going to be called will be showcased.
Posted by nodarsixar
On 2014-09-25 11:30:14, xperiazultra wrote:
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On 2014-09-25 10:23:40, nodarsixar wrote:
CES- Z3X, Z3S
MWC- Z4, Z4 Tablet
IFA-Z5, Z5 Compact, Z5 Tablet compact
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So Z3X is the camera centric phone. What is Z3S? I am 100 percent sure a phablet will be introduced. Z4 ultra or whatever it is going to be called will be showcased.
I don't know
Xperia Z3 with Snapdragon 805 or Snapdragon 810?
Posted by xperiazultra
By the way my guess is.
CES Z3 Ultra, Z3X, Z3 Tablet
MWC Z4, Accessories
IFA Z5, Z5 Compact, Z5 Tablet compact
Posted by Ranjith
I guess SONY should reconsider their 6 months refresh strategy.A Z4C..Thats way too early for an update.Maybe SONY should decide if a 6 month update is required depending on how well the current models success and competition is and do it only if necessary?Also considering SONY's US launch is taking its own time i guess the refresh will be way too soon for the US.
Posted by amirprog
My bet: mwc: z4, z4 ultra, z4 tablet. no new high end device at ces.
insiders don't have info cause its probably too early and sony keep secrets pretty good lately, plus no insiders info is 100% correct, sometimes the info shared is far from reality, but there IS a phablet leak from sonyalpharumors saying a phablet coming "early 2015" that was posted here also. probably at mwc.
@Ranjith
I doubt that sony ever intended the compact and tablet compact for less then a year release. only main flag refresh every 6 months is acceptable, but not more then that.
Posted by JohnnyNr.5
On 2014-09-25 10:17:28, goldenface wrote:
Z4 Compact? What could they possible do to justify a Z4 Compact. It would be too soon.
Are you serious?
Points to justify a Z4C at MWC:
New competitive 64-bit SoC (SD810), 32GB ROM, 3GB RAM, better camera (at least software!), dual-tone LED flash, 1080p slow motion (120fps) and 240fps @ 720p (possible with SD810, MediaTek soc is even capable of 480fps!), 1080p screen (not really necessary at 4.6", but nice to have), a bit bigger battery, Android L with new Xperia UI...
Posted by nodarsixar
On 2014-09-25 13:57:12, JohnnyNr.5 wrote:
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On 2014-09-25 10:17:28, goldenface wrote:
Z4 Compact? What could they possible do to justify a Z4 Compact. It would be too soon.
</div>
Are you serious?
Points to justify a Z4C at MWC:
New competitive 64-bit SoC (SD810), 32GB ROM, 3GB RAM, better camera (at least software!), dual-tone LED flash, 1080p slow motion (120fps) and 240fps @ 720p (possible with SD810, MediaTek soc is even capable of 480fps!), 1080p screen (not really necessary at 4.6\", but nice to have), a bit bigger battery, Android L with new Xperia UI...
Xperia Z4C Not announced, Xperia Z5C Snapdragon 810, 3-4GB Ram, 3000 Mah battery, 22MP camera, 4.7 inch screen
Z4-Z5- 5.2-5.3 inch 2K resolution, 4GB Ram, 3400-3500Mah battery, 22MP camera (2/3 sensor, 8 lens, 7.37 micronpixel, F1.2, OSS), Snapdragon 810 4x3Ghz and 4x2Ghz
Posted by Ranjith
On 2014-09-25 13:27:33, amirprog wrote:
@Ranjith
I doubt that sony ever intended the compact and tablet compact for less then a year release. only main flag refresh every 6 months is acceptable, but not more then that.
Oh..thats fine then..but i guess then the progress in the model name is going to be messed up eh?
Posted by Xajel
Now only internal memory should be 32GB or higher, Apple now started to bump the standard to 64GB as they skipped 32GB altogether...
ofcourse they offered 16GB for those not willing to have larger which is the majority now.. and for some carriers also ( to allow them to offer cheap plans )
That's why I hope Sony will do the same steps of having 16GB and 64GB...
Some might say but they do have microSD slot ?
Yeap but Android now limits the use of it, damn we can't even allow an app to access the whole card ( unless rooted )
I really hope Google changes their mind with this and make some default folders which all apps can access ( documents, pictures, DCIM, videos, others ) but all other folders should be inaccessible except the apps own data folder
Posted by amirprog
@JohnnyNr.5
You got very weak points there for reasoning a new compact after 6 months because a key to success of mobile company: marketing, fast worldwide availability, devices in carrier contracts, genuinely good product.
6 month release cycle is not a part of that list. aside of main flag, by releasing z3c and/or all their high end phones every 6 month they will loose money more then earning money and there won't be sonymobile in a few years. nobody (aside of us mobile nerds) when enters into the store to buy a new flag and wants a compact one really cares if it has 801 or 810, etc. if he truly need a new phone and has old phone, if the product is good then he/she will buy it and it looks like sony done a fantastic job with z3c. most people buy a new phone after a good few years. the majority of people don't have the luxury to buy a new phone every year and its quite pointless anyway. why replace your phone so frequently? pointless, unless, you got loads of $$$ to spend. still, pointless.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2014-09-25 14:45 ]
Posted by miromiromi
^besides, they're not doing that 6-month flagship cycle as a matter of global strategy. they are doing it in response to japanese carrier demands, docomo's in particular. after all, japan is perhaps the only country where they are still able to sell considerable numbers so everything they're doing is based on the japanese market demand.
if they have to do produce a new flagship for japan every six months, might as well make it available globally.
if they don't do it, they will be criticized by fans for limiting their products' availability in japan.
Posted by amirprog
@miromiromi
+1
Posted by JohnnyNr.5
@amirprog
You call major hardware and software updates "weak points"? So what's the deal with Z3C?
Sure there are a bunch of people who really don't care much about specs, but even those people are prone to marketing overload in the way of eye-catching terms like FullHD, UltraHD, BoomSound, QuadCore....And those people running to a store, looking for a high-end (!= cheap) compact phone will do a research on the web or ask friends/relatives about the device, cause we're talking about spending a lot of money and that's when where not only emotions are involved in the decision making process, but rational thoughts too. Z3C is a nice device, but imo it won't sell well. I don't see people spending 200€ more for more or less the same device (Z1C). And if people want a stylish high-end compact device they'll go to Apple. The Z3C is on sale for 499€. If you spend 50-70€ more you'll get a 32GB Iphone 5s. I for one would definitely go for the Iphone cause it's an Iphone (status)
[ This Message was edited by: JohnnyNr.5 on 2014-09-25 16:21 ]
Posted by cu015170
Just to confirm that dxomark are a little off when it comes to their scoring, which is what I've been saying for a long time..
the iPhone 6 flash is rated at 84 points and the 808 is rated at 81 points , which means that its not only equal to the 808, but its substantially better.
808
https://79ysqw.bn1.livefilest[....]wRMC5fKFp3rsuCDW1_BtuJE/11.jpg
ip6
https://79ysqw.bn1.livefilest[....]8QK7iVh0rf6VHIfy_ACCwzM/12.jpg
808
https://79ysqw.bn1.livefilest[....]GSW68wDlYN0wPFT8h4gfsZY/15.jpg
ip6
https://79ysqw.bn1.livefilest[....]rXrmVoD3u5eKoAUdXRzcVOc/16.jpg
Posted by -XYZ
In those images, the way larger 808 sensor has better low light performance than the 6. This means that poor flash performance of the 808 could theoretically be masked by the sensor's very high performance.
Posted by cu015170
^ its a combination of the two, both are very powerful and work well together..
Are you saying that dxo rates the flash without looking at the final result ?
Posted by amirprog
@JohnnyNr.5
Major hardware and software updates won't arrive to the market until april and even that is an optimistic prediction, especially if you live in the us, plus, z3c spec is competitive. a proof to that is that z3 and z3c got fantastic reviews. best of the best. z3c got enough bells and whistles. no prob here either. if we look at reviews then sonymobile should be number 1 seller right now. this is just a simple proof that 6 month release cycle for the compact is just not what will increase sonymobile sales. a consumer who has an old phone (not by mobile nerds standards) and needs a new phone will look at the whole package. he/she won't just look at the cpu. rest is personal preference. with the z3c reviews, recommendation for it should go through the roof. the strong point of a flagship is that it's capable enough to get you through a few good years. older flags users until xperia z users are potential for z3/z3c. none of them should complain about lack of bells and whistles or spec. the prob of sony is what i wrote in my previous post and was mentioned many times again and again. choosing iphone 6 over z3c is personal preference and/or reason of marketing/product availability/none existent of sonymobile devices in carrier contracts. not a reason of none 6 month release cycle or none competitive spec like that z3c doesn't have s805, etc. sony could ditch z3c and wait until mwc to announce "z4c" with your suggested spec but they chose not to, probably because they save the next ultra for mwc so announcing main flag, compact, ultra and tablet at the same mobile event would be ridiculous. it's like samsung will announce s5, note 4, alpha and galaxy tab at the same event. you want to save some anticipation for other event, have some new bells and whistles, newer spec.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2014-09-25 21:12 ]
Posted by JohnnyNr.5
@amirprog I'm not a fan of the 6 month cycle either. My point is that a Z3C successor at MWC would be more justified than the Z3C itself. I'm the "tech-guy" of my family and friends, the nerdy geek you go for if you have questions about consumer hardware. Those non-geeks are not familiar with tech and have little info about devices, but they heard/read about some tech-terms. In first days of FullHD smartphones, it was like "oh but that device has just HD resolution" and now I hear them saying "I heard the Iphone is 64-bit" or "That device is great it has a UltraHD screen!" or "Wow, octa-core CPU" and so on. Long story short: On one site you have the tech-nerds who knows the UltraHD is just plain stupid on smartphones and that more megapixel don't mean better camera. And on the other side you have that average consumer who has little knowledge about tech, but believes to know what a good phones hardware has to look like. As OEM who wants to succeed you have to serve both parties.
Posted by goldenface
Sony schedules a "Demand Great" event for October 9
Maybe a new Z3 incorporating the new curved sensor.
[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2014-09-25 21:49 ]
Posted by JohnnyNr.5
New Z3?
Where does it say it's smartphone related? Maybe some other consumer electronics. Most sites speculate it's Z3 announcement for U.S. carriers.
Posted by goldenface
Because they use the #DemandGreat hashtag to promote the Z3 series.
If the Z3 is taken up by AT&T, that would be pretty big news for them, trying to breaking into the US.
[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2014-09-25 22:49 ]
Posted by amirprog
@JohnnyNr.5
I'm also that tech guy.
i understand what you write here. z1c is definitely a capable device for this year but sony ignored the phablet world for too long so that may be the reason for less then a year announcement of the new compact now and not next year because that may be their new strategy: main, compact, tablet compact - ifa. main, ultra, tablet - mwc. speculations but it makes sense.
@goldenface
refreshed z3 with curved sensor for usa variant after world announcement of z3 a month ago... what are you smoking my friend?
i like surprises too but let's not loose our heads. usa consumers should just be happy sony release z3 devices in timely manner if that is the case. plus, nothing in sony's invitation indicates a new sensor. it would be nice if they bundle z3 with free accessories to make it a really good deal especially after they almost ignored the usa market.[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2014-09-25 22:56 ]
Posted by itsjustJOH
It's just the US launch, most likely.
Posted by -XYZ
On 2014-09-25 22:41:45, goldenface wrote:
Sony schedules a "Demand Great" event for October 9
Maybe a new Z3 incorporating the new curved sensor.
[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2014-09-25 21:49 ]
Never.
Sony would never make a device they launched a few weeks ago, obsolete just for the US market. It would be bloody stupid from a marketing point of view.
Posted by DACHA
Z3V announcement along with the official T-Mobile announcement of the Z3.
[ This Message was edited by: DACHA on 2014-09-26 03:42 ]
Posted by xperiazultra
On 2014-09-26 01:18:35, -XYZ wrote:
On 2014-09-25 22:41:45, goldenface wrote:
Sony schedules a "Demand Great" event for October 9
Maybe a new Z3 incorporating the new curved sensor.
[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2014-09-25 21:49 ]
Never.
Sony would never make a device they launched a few weeks ago, obsolete just for the US market. It would be bloody stupid from a marketing point of view.
Agreed. Tablets, compacts and phablets once a year. Flagships twice a year. Latter could have been once a year too. Different variant in US --> Stupidity at its finest. Sony needs a good marketing that does not pick on apple or such. Just cool marketing.
Posted by miromiromi
On 2014-09-25 23:51:31, amirprog wrote:
@JohnnyNr.5
I'm also that tech guy.
i understand what you write here. z1c is definitely a capable device for this year but sony ignored the phablet world for too long so that may be the reason for less then a year announcement of the new compact now and not next year because that may be their new strategy: main, compact, tablet compact - ifa. main, ultra, tablet - mwc. speculations but it makes sense.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2014-09-25 22:56 ]
no, they did not ignore the phablet market. it's just that their attempt with the z ultra was pathetic. it had no notable feature other than its large display and thin body. it's supposed to accept any material as stylus but it's not that useful.
they could have made the ultra better if they did what the rumors were saying back then: a pressure sensitive touch display using the IR tech they had on their e-book reader, a manageable size (should have stayed at 5.5-5.7, with minimal bezels), and LED flash.
they could've also innovated by including a small keyboard cover/stand (now gimmicky covers have become quite popular and they could have started that with the z ultra). they should have targeted business people/executives and not women who want large, thin, and stylish phones.
Posted by amirprog
@miromiromi
They could have made z ultra better no doubt, but that is not a reason for not announcing a phablet for almost a year and a half since its announcement. criticism should have given them a good ground to improve the line just like they are doing with z line and z compact. they could announce a new ultra at ifa or before that but they didn't = that means they are ignoring rivals (and delaying the next ultra for next year if the rumor is true).
i think the reason for that is that they believe the compact will sell more then a new ultra for 2014 as it builds on z1c that got good reviews from the start so they favor it over ultra and delay ultra for mwc. also, the compact has weaker rivals or none and they want to announce high end devices only at ifa and mwc so by that they get the most exposure especially from the mobile media.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2014-09-26 13:58 ]
Posted by miromiromi
^ or maybe they're still hurting over the unsold ultras. i remember it was announced before that they were releasing ultras with no phone functions. maybe they're still trying to sell those. but at least they are now offering the compact tablet.
yes, they should be producing phablets instead of offering ugly and low-spec'd low end (expect xperia e1) and mid-range phones.
Posted by smclion102
For Sony’s new Xperia Z3 flagship, Carphone Warehouse sent a bloke to the bottom of a swimming pool to do an underwater unboxing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIf9GdCzY_Y
[ This Message was edited by: smclion102 on 2014-09-26 16:35 ]