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On 2014-09-19 14:42:38, itsjustJOH wrote:
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Posted by Ranjith
On 2014-09-19 06:44:07, Tsepz_GP wrote:
The QHD argument reminds me of the 3.5mm headphone jack saga, when SE used their proprietary port, while the rest went 3.5. SE fans claimed to be happy with SE's port and didn't need a 3.5mm jack, of course when SE finally started using the jack the same fans praised them, not a single complaint, same with GPS in a phone, WiFi b/g/n etc...they claimed they didn't need them, when SE put them in they praised them, watch the same happen with a QHD display.
Exactly.SONY is slow to repond to evolution..once they respond they make great devices but by then they are left behind
On 2014-09-19 07:39:33, supercoolman wrote:
sounds like apple to me.
Yes..and APPLE can afford to do that..even SAMSUNG can,they have an epic fan base..SONY doesn't. The same old story..the top kid in the class can get away with few wrong doings but the back benchers cant.
On 2014-09-19 12:47:10, badassmam wrote:
I think Sony is one step away from greatness.
Yep,they have great stuffs just need to polish few things here and there.
[ This Message was edited by: Ranjith on 2014-09-19 15:54 ]
Posted by admad
On 2014-09-19 07:16:47, amirprog wrote:
Being against qhd is being against natural evolution. its like denying human evolution.
maybe its not good with 801 and current android, etc. but you can't exclude it forever. with that, lack of qhd is not why sony don't sell as much as they could but lack of availability, marketing, non existence inside us carriers, not competitive low-mid range devices...
@Tsepz_GP
that proprietary SE connector was crap from the get go. i was complaining in SE forums about it a lot when i had my w800i back in 2005 i think. it took SE i think 4 years to realize that its crap. still a great device though.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2014-09-19 06:18 ]
O rly? So please tell me, what's the resolution of Your PC or laptop, or computer that you work on? If 5-6" phones should get 2560x1440 resolution, then for 17" laptop it should be around 5000x2500 no?
Then enlighten me why it's typical for laptops or PC to work on 1080p? Even 50" TVs have 1080p, then tell my why on earth would you want QHD display on tiny phone? It's against any logic. 
What's more, when you visit websites it's very typical that they show only low resolution images, you know how crappy it looks on QHD?
Posted by Ranjith
TV's have started to adopt 4k. Also what has been said in the last 2-3 pages is that even if a certain tech is not the most useful one now,you need to go along with it because that will help you sell the product.SONY just posted another yearly loss,if they are going to ignore QHD and similar new techs they might as well just quit.
Posted by amirprog
@admad
You have your logic, i have mine. subtle changes are also changes. the same thing was with 720p, etc. why hd, blah blah. same thing, different story. history is repeated more then one time here. also, technology advancements are usually done in small steps, if you don't walk these steps and do what is in then you are out of the game. bottom line: if sony don't adopt qhd with z4 then they should stop making high end devices. i actually understand their decision not to put qhd in z3 because it should work better with s810, android L and supposedly with even more advancements in battery life.
@Ranjith
+1
Posted by unknownC151A
The problem with Sony is clearly with its lower tier phones and NOT with its Z series. Saw some disgusting posts mentioning that not putting QHD will see Sony market drop further.
Lol total nonsense.
Firstly, Sony didn't really make a "loss". It's a goodwill charge because Sony overestimated its potential of SMC. Of course a goodwill charge have to be recorded in the P&L, hence the gigantic loss.
Secondly, the problem with it's lower tier phone is its price. You get a Xiaomi for cheaper with better specifications or a Xperia, more expensive with lower specs. Quite common scene. And cut down the amount of lower tier released. E1, E3, M2, T3?!? Is Sony mad. During 2013, there's only one phone that represented Sony mid range - Xperia SP. Now with millions..
Sony needs to change more, other than cosmetically. Look at the Z1, the 20.7 MP camera created such an excitement that the previous rumour thread reached 1000+ pages. We ain't close this year. But again, their upper range models seems to be doing fine.
Posted by goldenface
I think the problem with the lower tier phones is that will all Sony devices they are R&D heavy products, which cost more to develop. Because of this they will always be undercut on price.
Posted by DexterMoser
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a few episodes of drama without that scifi effect.
Posted by aussiefella
The problem is the experience of using an xperia. they have great specs and looks, fantastic battery life now but its still only close to vanilla android experience... to most people thats boring.
The majority (99%) of people buying a phone desire an easy but delightful experience, so as long as its not lagging like crazy its fine. Since the sd800 lag seams non existent, on sony phones at least (used the G3 yesterday and lagged like its 2011).
Most people who just want to live their life and not be consumed by freakin specs dont even consider half the things us fans do so for sales sony really needs to improve on the software side.
In my opinion a home screen that features a pane with the same style as the whats new app would be perfect. Not sure what content it should have, maybe customisable. Also gesture based things from anywhere in the ui, from any app etc. Also if the notification/settings toggles could be swiped down and stay at quarter of the way down the screen whilst using other apps etc would be useful.
Usefulness and beauty of the user interface is what will draw people (samsung have the usefulness but not the beauty, apple to an extent has both).
My other point is sony designs are very corporate and business orientated, which is fine, but there are heaps of mums and teenagers etc. that can't identify so much with that design. Which is why the sp and also samsung phones was/are popular.
Using the G3 yesterday strengthened the case in my mind about how QHD isn't usefull. Also the side bezels weren't that small compared to the z2, just top and bottom. It really lagged badly and I couldn't tell any difference in the store between it's and others screen.
Sony should push marketing about usefulness and how pushing specs is a waste, the average user (at least here in Australia) will identify with this more than some crappy technical jargon. It works for apple, not just because they're a massive company (remember most manufacturers were around a long time before them, but they carved out a market with these skills) but because people genuinely enjoy the experience...
which is, I'm guessing, the whole point of calling sony smartphones - xperia!
thanks
hope I'm making sense.
Posted by u2jewel
@Aussiefella
You make sense.
As a few have already pointed out though, it really comes down to marketing...
No matter how perfect the xperia experience may be (pretend it is perfect, and that there are no gripes with image processing or the bigger than others bezels etc..) xperia still won't outsell Samsung or Apple because it really comes down to the masses being influenced by perception through marketing.
Some of the public won't know by themselves what a good phone is. It is taught to them by marketing. Even what's wrong with a phone is likely brainwashed by negative campaigning.
And after all, our love to Sony is also a preferential one...
Along with lack of marketing, price is probably the other factor inhibiting xperia success...
[ This Message was edited by: u2jewel on 2014-09-21 05:07 ]
Posted by aussiefella
Yeah definitely agree with marketing and pricing. Sony seams to be pretty expensive in the android realm, unless you buy from overseas asian "grey stock".
In aus I've only seen a handful of adds. Even in the world cup you wouldn't have known at all that the z2 was the official phone, most likely wouldn't realise that sony even sponsor it. there was only a few sony banners in the stadiums and maybe the official sponsor thing at the end of the televised program.
Posted by Dups!
Dups!
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Reply with quoteEdit/Delete This PostPrint this post I don't think he was making this a race issue, jpcalson. He was merely pointing out each company's influences in design.
@randomuser
No, not all SE phones were designed by Sony, in fact, I'd wager that most were designed by Ericsson.
@all
If anybody remembers, I wrote this in the 2011 Portfolio, I decided not to buy the arc because I wrote that I didn't think SE was going to pull through and was waiting for their next three financial results before buying from them.
That seemed like a prediction of some sorts, like my prediction that SE was going to make a loss in Q1 of this year only for them to make that loss in the second quarter. My 'predictions' seem to be spot on but not completely direct.
In a few years' time I guess my other 'prediction' that Sony will fail in the cellphone market will come true.
Hmmm... I think it's time to invest in technological stocks since I seem to be able to 'see' the future
It's not what you do or even how you do it but in what state of mind you do it: Dups! 2009
I thought I'd chime in here, haven't been around here for a while. The above quote was made by yours truly back in 2011 and it is coming true. I knew Sony were not capable of running this business and they are proving it to be true.
They screwed SE and now they don't know how to continue without Ericsson. Sad really.
Posted by miromiromi
^you'd be good with investments if you see future successes, not failures. i wonder how you're going to make money by foreseeing failures unless you are someone who makes long-term money with M&A's.
Posted by cu015170
Orlowski's take is always entertaining to read
http://www.theregister.co.uk/[....]ones_its_the_economics_stupid/
"So who blinks first?
Sony, which makes beautiful gadgets, this week forecast a $1.2bn loss from its all-Android smartphone business. Fanbois have begged it not to exit the market. But money doesn't grow on trees, and the Android Black Hole is more than half of the group's losses; it's rational that the axe falls on the 'droids. Already it's been decided that 1,100 jobs will go from Sony's 7,100 mobile division."
Posted by DACHA
^^ Entertaining? According to his opinion nobody should make Android phones and let Apple dominate the cellphone market.
Posted by JohnnyNr.5
All bow to the new endurance kings: Sony Xperia Z3 and Z3 Compact score a record battery life
The Z3 Compact, on the other hand, broke absolutely all records by a wide margin, scoring the out-of-this-world 14 hours and 44 minutes on our test, with its 4.6" HD display and 2600 mAh battery - that would translate to roughly three days of normal usage on a charge, and is the best result of any brand-name handset out there
http://www.phonearena.com/new[....]-a-record-battery-life_id60922
Posted by DexterMoser
^Damn impressive
If we consider that it's very likely for the Z4 not to be worse, we are looking into a bright future!
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Posted by nodarsixar
Z3X?
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Posted by motvikt
On 2014-09-22 11:43:45, nodarsixar wrote:
Z3X?
https://www.facebook.com/7264[....]57548490946632/?type=1&theater
I'm not even gonna click that link, I'm just gonna say no.
Posted by rency0722
What's next for Z4 camera IMHO:
- PDAF (phase Detection Autofocus)
- OSS (optical SteadyShot, Sony's branding for OIS)
- Curved image sensor
- larger sensor size (1/1.5")
- larger aperture (f/1.
- wider G lens (24mm)
- Dual LED flash (higher Cree)
For display:
- 2k display
- OLED screen w/ WhiteMagic
- Sony's TriMaster EL tech for OLED screens
For audio:
- Addition of S-master amp
amp
Posted by smclion102
XDA Member Ports PlayStation 4 Remote Play Feature For All Rooted Android 4.0 Devices
Posted by ascariss
OLED would be nice, I have seen the screen on the new tab s and it looks amazing, reminds me of my tab 7.7 but so much more sharper. Only thing stopping me from getting the tab is the software, touchwiz destroys it, shame.
JDI has no OLED panels ready, the new company won't have anything on the market until either late 2015 or early 2016, probably the latter. But then JOLED is geared towards medium sized panels, or for tablets or even laptops and not smartphones. I don't think they have any small mobile sized OLEDs ready in QHD.
Not sure where they would get the panels from, unless samsung decided to sell their displays to Sony. Unless AUO will have a OLED display ready by then at QHD for Sony, but I feel they will not. I'd rather sony use a nice quality LCD that is thinner and more power efficient.
PDAF has to be built into the sensor I believe but I could be wrong, so if the curved sensor doesn't have it, don't expect it. There won't be a larger sensor size, unless Sony is hiding a curved sensor that is larger, as of now, only 2 models exists, 1 inch and 1/2.3, so 1/2.3 is the safe bet for the Z4 unless Sony will challenge the panasonic 1 inch phone and use a 1 inch sensor, but I doubt it.
F1.8 would be nice but on a larger sensor like 1 inch but at this moment F2 is fine and doesn't need changing. If you want larger aperture, by a camera with interchangeable lenses.
Dual flash is realistic and I can see it happening. Wonder if those rumoured think xenon flashes will make it to market.
Hopefully with the new 810 and better parts which need less energy, Sony can increase the battery life with a smaller battery meaning lighter and thinner device.
Whatever happens will happen. Can't wait for the Z4 to leak next year.
Posted by nodarsixar
Samsung 4.6-inch 4K OLED panel scheduled to begin wholesale price of $ 58
Posted by drsoran2
If Sony were to exit the Android business at some point (which I would totally hate cause my first phone was an Ericsson (before SE), then mostly SE and now Sony), which buyer would you choose as a replacement?
I don't trust the Chinese manufacturers in terms of personal data privacy and quality and I loathe Samsung. They build terrible, ugly plastic phones, stuffed to the brim with useless features which slow down the system and you can't even delete and those unreal screen colors. I had one Samsung phone (S2) and that cured me forever. Also, everyone has a Samsung. It's the top dog and Apple of Android and that's another reason.
Oh, and since I'm old, I can't and don't see Samsung as a good, serious, trustworthy company like younger people might do. When Sony was already at the height of consumer technology in the 80s and 90s, Samsung was nothing. Or maybe building what...washing machines?!
HTC tries and looks to much like Apple. I also don't have experiences with them and don't like their design.
Motorola is soon Chinese so no.
So I'd go with LG. I had a cd-writer back then (yeah, I'm old and turning 30 tomorrow) from them, then DVD writer, later several LG TV's and actually one right now.
Lg products never failed me, they are workhorses and I think they are sympathetic (that smiley face) and have an underdog feeling to them in the Android market. Oh, and I have a Optimus 3D as "3D plaything phone"
Posted by DACHA
@ drsoran2
What does your post have to do with rumors or Sony?
Posted by drsoran2
Well, looking at the bad financial results which have been going on for years and are actually becoming worse, it is likely that Sony will leave Android in the foreseeable future. Maybe 1-2 years.
They are laying off people, again. They closed the Vaio division and may exist compact cameras. So there is evidence.
Therefore, it could be considered a rumor that this is going to happen.
Maybe not as strong a rumor than the Z4 specs or other rumors in the past, but it could become real - or not.
And therefore we could speculate about the preferred manufacturer next to Sony and find out if there is a consensus in the forum. Just as there is speculation about other rumors.
Posted by Ebato
when buying Android, you're making a statement - I'm ghetto. When Buying LG android, you're making a statement too - I'm ghetto plebeian, who likes plastic that still looks like, well... fake metal
Samsung is doing the right thing associating their crappy Korean brand (and all Korean brands have the same aura around them by the way) with luxury brands, like their recent Mont Blanc partnership for cases and stylus. Sony, on the contrary is degrading their brand value by doing cheap stuff, which nobody buys anyway. So retreating from mid-range and focusing on high end, adopting WP, and improving on their material quality (more metal, better transferable international warranty etc) are the only things that are still doable to saver their full exodus from the mobile market.
Posted by Lightspeed_x
@Dr. I was thinking of the same thing yesterday and narrowed it down to a one plus one or a nexus, even though the market choices at the moment would dictate my final pick.
Posted by AbhiD999
On 2014-09-22 23:38:13, drsoran2 wrote:
Well, looking at the bad financial results which have been going on for years and are actually becoming worse, it is likely that Sony will leave Android in the foreseeable future. Maybe 1-2 years.
They are laying off people, again. They closed the Vaio division and may exist compact cameras. So there is evidence.
Therefore, it could be considered a rumor that this is going to happen.
Maybe not as strong a rumor than the Z4 specs or other rumors in the past, but it could become real - or not.
And therefore we could speculate about the preferred manufacturer next to Sony and find out if there is a consensus in the forum. Just as there is speculation about other rumors.
Streamlining ur product lineup and laying off unnecessary jobs does not mean EXITING a certain business...
They are doing it just to bring back Xperia to profits.
VAIO was altogether different thing, they had to spend a lot of money on R &D in return to nothing to very less profits. So it was better to be closed down.
If sony is indeed axing off cheap digital cameras than it only means that they will focus MORE and MORE on Xperia in future to compensate for lost sales of Digital cams
Posted by ascariss
On 2014-09-23 01:52:57, Ebato wrote:
Samsung is doing the right thing associating their crappy Korean brand (and all Korean brands have the same aura around them by the way) with luxury brands, like their recent Mont Blanc partnership for cases and stylus. Sony, on the contrary is degrading their brand value by doing cheap stuff, which nobody buys anyway. So retreating from mid-range and focusing on high end, adopting WP, and improving on their material quality (more metal, better transferable international warranty etc) are the only things that are still doable to saver their full exodus from the mobile market.
Adopting WP will not save Sony. With such high losses now, adopting a platform with little market share doesn't make sense.
Posted by yuunanase
The right way to save the Xperia line is to come up with something like the ILCE line. So far, all Xperia Z series are more or less very very good smartphones, (similar to iphones), reliable, fashionable, but they are just missing the gimmiky factors. Take a look at the note edge, pointless, but at least its remarkable.
The last time Sony had a phone like this was the Pureness, still one of my favourite Xperias.
Glad that they are finally realizing that they are just competing with the cheap chinese phones (Motorola, One Plus, Meizu, HTC, ZTE) with their mid and low end phones. Sony does not have to be cheap to compete with them. This is Samsung and Lucky Goldstar's job.
Posted by Xajel
Again with this WP will save Sony ?
Android is still almost saving it ( they need to change their policy you know )...
If WP is the solution, then Nokia should be like the second Samsung now. but in the real world ?
Sony should change their policy in android devices... what I think will be good is to focus in few flagships with different segmentations ( compact, normal, compact tablet, normal tablet ) and some mid rangers with good pricing... focus here is also about software support which should take a refresh in terms of UI design, UI features, extra multimedia features ( like better audio, better camera, etc.. ) and I don't need to put faster software updates in the first place as this point is out of question.
Posted by xperiazultra
On 2014-09-23 09:28:31, Xajel wrote:
Again with this WP will save Sony ?
Android is still almost saving it ( they need to change their policy you know )...
If WP is the solution, then Nokia should be like the second Samsung now. but in the real world ?
Sony should change their policy in android devices... what I think will be good is to focus in few flagships with different segmentations ( compact, normal, compact tablet, normal tablet ) and some mid rangers with good pricing... focus here is also about software support which should take a refresh in terms of UI design, UI features, extra multimedia features ( like better audio, better camera, etc.. ) and I don't need to put faster software updates in the first place as this point is out of question.
Do not leave out the phablet category. If Sony comes up with something great at the MWC/CES with the next ultra (or whatever it is going to be called) they would wipe the market of phablets. iPhone 6 Plus has nothing superior against android phablets. Great looking UI with the same smoothness and some phablet features and great imaging. There you go. You have great battery, great sound and good lookings and durability. Improve the others
Posted by Xajel
@xperiazultra
I believe that do to the size of the main flagship, and the size of the compact tablet, it's a little bit hard to have a reason for one that is 2-3" larger or smaller between them, if they can master the compact tablet with good screen to device area ratio ( eg. less gaps while maintaining usability ) not to mention the radio part, then it will be enough, unless there will be a demand for such a device, and AFAIK the original Ultra did not gain enough demand to be a viable option.. I might be wrong and maybe Sony already planning a 6-6.5" phablet, but IMHO I can't get a reason for this ( in expatriates.com you can find tens of classifieds for peoples selling their Ultra's )
Not to say that I hate Ultra, I believe that every person have a reason to have a specific device, being a size or OS, every person will find what it suit's him. and there's a lot who loves their Ultra's... but are they enough ? we will now when Z4 will come ( thought Sony already skipped the Ultra for Z2 and Z3 )
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@ALL
digitimes has some sources that claim Sony will focus on high-end phones afterward... which is already expected here by many of us esato'rs
Posted by xperiazultra
On 2014-09-23 13:55:41, Xajel wrote:
@xperiazultra
I believe that do to the size of the main flagship, and the size of the compact tablet, it's a little bit hard to have a reason for one that is 2-3" larger or smaller between them, if they can master the compact tablet with good screen to device area ratio ( eg. less gaps while maintaining usability ) not to mention the radio part, then it will be enough, unless there will be a demand for such a device, and AFAIK the original Ultra did not gain enough demand to be a viable option.. I might be wrong and maybe Sony already planning a 6-6.5" phablet, but IMHO I can't get a reason for this ( in expatriates.com you can find tens of classifieds for peoples selling their Ultra's )
Not to say that I hate Ultra, I believe that every person have a reason to have a specific device, being a size or OS, every person will find what it suit's him. and there's a lot who loves their Ultra's... but are they enough ? we will now when Z4 will come ( thought Sony already skipped the Ultra for Z2 and Z3 )
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@ALL
digitimes has some sources that claim Sony will focus on high-end phones afterward... which is already expected here by many of us esato'rs
IMHO Tablet Compact will be much worse than ultra line. If you differentiate your product like note series there are no reasons for it to be unsuccessful. It is not just matter of screen size, what is important is what you do with it. Eventhough it is important for me a lot of people (mainstream market) do not care if it is 6.2 inches or 5.9 inches. So I expect Sony to push its phablet hard with software tweaks. Great imaging capabilities and accessories. 6.4 inches is just way too big for considering as flagship phablet. 6" phablet with software tweaks, QHD display and Z3 like camera and sound could put Sony back in the game easily. By looking at the situation now I think phablet category is the most available one among others for Sony to compete in. Just needs to beat Note.
Posted by -XYZ
On 2014-09-23 15:36:49, xperiazultra wrote:
Just needs to beat Note.
You're absolutely wrong. It needs to beat the Note and the iPhone 6+.
Not an easy task. Simply making a 6-inch Z3 isn't good enough.
Posted by ascariss
If Sony opts for super thin design again, then don't expect amazing imaging capabilities from the phablet.
Posted by xperiazultra
On 2014-09-23 15:52:59, -XYZ wrote:
On 2014-09-23 15:36:49, xperiazultra wrote:
Just needs to beat Note.
You're absolutely wrong. It needs to beat the Note and the iPhone 6+.
Not an easy task. Simply making a 6-inch Z3 isn't good enough.
ip6+ has no features making the big screen useful other than it is big. Note does that. That is the exact thing I've tried to state by saying what is important is what you do with the bigger screen. You must have software features supporting it (like the stylus, window splitting etc). I believe beating ip6, s5, g3, one m8 and the chinese manufacturers is a lot harder than beating note.
Posted by -XYZ
On 2014-09-23 16:26:54, xperiazultra wrote:
On 2014-09-23 15:52:59, -XYZ wrote:
On 2014-09-23 15:36:49, xperiazultra wrote:
Just needs to beat Note.
You're absolutely wrong. It needs to beat the Note and the iPhone 6+.
Not an easy task. Simply making a 6-inch Z3 isn't good enough.
ip6+ has no features making the big screen useful other than it is big. Note does that.
Thing is, the iPhone 6+ has Apple's patented reality distortion field surrounding it. People will want one over a note simply because its an Apple product, and Apple products are cool.
Competing anywhere in this market is difficult. The only way you can combat this, is by making excellent phones, with excellent hardware and software and making sure they are available in all markets at a price that is both reasonable, but also capable of delivering a delicious, healthy profit margin.
Media have already been spreading buzz about the Z3 and Z3c's astonishing battery performance, and how it lasts longer than any iPhone. People will see this and some, who aren't entirely dependant on the Apple brand, may turn around and give it a look. But it needs to be available (particularly in the US) in a timely manner.
Posted by xperiazultra
On 2014-09-23 16:36:16, -XYZ wrote:
On 2014-09-23 16:26:54, xperiazultra wrote:
On 2014-09-23 15:52:59, -XYZ wrote:
On 2014-09-23 15:36:49, xperiazultra wrote:
Just needs to beat Note.
You're absolutely wrong. It needs to beat the Note and the iPhone 6+.
Not an easy task. Simply making a 6-inch Z3 isn't good enough.
ip6+ has no features making the big screen useful other than it is big. Note does that.
Thing is, the iPhone 6+ has Apple's patented reality distortion field surrounding it. People will want one over a note simply because its an Apple product, and Apple products are cool.
Competing anywhere in this market is difficult. The only way you can combat this, is by making excellent phones, with excellent hardware and software and making sure they are available in all markets at a price that is both reasonable, but also capable of delivering a delicious, healthy profit margin.
Media have already been spreading buzz about the Z3 and Z3c's astonishing battery performance, and how it lasts longer than any iPhone. People will see this and some, who aren't entirely dependant on the Apple brand, may turn around and give it a look. But it needs to be available (particularly in the US) in a timely manner.
I agree. But you have to compete with Apple either way. I am trying to say is the phablet market is more available than others for Sony to make a big hit. Just my opinion. US market is crucial ofcourse apart from being big, all the big name media is there. So marketing without US is simply hard as hell. Well I will wait. But if I were to consider a normal sized phone 5-5.5 inches I would not pick Z3 in todays circumstances. By the way Sony should go with paypal too. Dominate the asian market with Samsung so that Apple pay does not succeed.
Posted by hihihans
Thing is, the iPhone 6+ has Apple's patented reality distortion field surrounding it. People will want one over a note simply because its an Apple product, and Apple products are cool.
[ This Message was edited by: hihihans on 2014-09-23 16:44 ]
Posted by Wintermute
I'm not sure I'd agree that Sony needs to compete with Apple. I think Google needs to compete with Apple, but as far as Sony is concerned, they're competing with other Android OEMs. The reason is because most people's first decision is the OS they want. When they want a new phone, they first decide whether they want an Android or iOS device, and only then do they start comparing different models. If this weren't true, HTC and Sony would be the top two manufacturers, since both companies produce nicer hardware than Apple (my opinion). I don't think Sony is going to sway many Apple customers to switch regardless of how nice their hardware is. It's up to Google to make Android the best, most attractive OS it can be, and to gain enough mindshare to start turning Apple users.
Posted by yuunanase
Z Ultra is actually very successful here in Hong Kong after price drops. The current price is around €250, which is very well into the price of chinese manfacturers like redmi note. In fact, it is so popular, that I have seen Z Ultra more often than Note 3, or S5. This shows that if Sony could support these devices for a longer period instead of discontinuing it, they can easily make a profit out of that.
Posted by -XYZ
On 2014-09-23 19:53:20, Wintermute wrote:
I'm not sure I'd agree that Sony needs to compete with Apple.
How can you not compete with Apple?
Posted by cu015170
On 2014-09-23 19:53:20, Wintermute wrote:
I'm not sure I'd agree that Sony needs to compete with Apple. I think Google needs to compete with Apple, but as far as Sony is concerned, they're competing with other Android OEMs. The reason is because most people's first decision is the OS they want. When they want a new phone, they first decide whether they want an Android or iOS device, and only then do they start comparing different models. If this weren't true, HTC and Sony would be the top two manufacturers, since both companies produce nicer hardware than Apple (my opinion). I don't think Sony is going to sway many Apple customers to switch regardless of how nice their hardware is. It's up to Google to make Android the best, most attractive OS it can be, and to gain enough mindshare to start turning Apple users.
Google does compete with Apple, and they do so very well.. by using OEMs like Sony and Samsung of course
Posted by Gitaroo
I see a lot of people with Z ultra too, the phone at 400-500 USD is basically nexus level of pricing except for its premium built quality and screen and high end Soc. If Sony is looking at the post price drop sales as a success, they know that the large screen phone market is there then that explain those T2 Ultra and crap that came out after in 6". They set a minimum profit margin and then they are the a phone around the price, thats why non of the new one have specs even comparable to Z Ultra. If they are going to build another Z ultra like high end phone, its almost guaranteed that they will compromise the camera or something again for extra profit, and the phone will still be expensive as well. Its Sony afterall, they want to be like Nintendo and apple, where profitability is their number 1 priority. 5"+ level seems to be the only class they can be competitive in pricing and specs. Unlike those chinese company, they rather go for lower sales and higher profit per unit than larger sales and lower profit per unit. With devices like One plus one and even nexus being around theres no room for their mid end to survive.
Posted by Wintermute
On 2014-09-23 21:58:05, -XYZ wrote:
On 2014-09-23 19:53:20, Wintermute wrote:
I'm not sure I'd agree that Sony needs to compete with Apple.
How can you not compete with Apple?
Maybe try reading the rest of my post for the answer. It's in there.
But, in case you're too lazy, I'll spell it out again here: to make it very simple, you can TRY to compete with Apple, but as long as you're running Android, you're not doing it very effectively. NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, those people who are looking to buy an Apple product are NOT looking at anything running Android. They exclude them at the very beginning when they decide they want iOS, or when they go with iOS because of all the money they've spent on iOS apps. A similar thing has prevented Microsoft from making any progress at all for the last 4 years with Windows Phone: it doesn't matter how good the hardware or software is, they just got in the game too late. By the time there was any decent WP hardware, everybody had already committed to either iOS or Android.
[ This Message was edited by: Wintermute on 2014-09-24 07:27 ]
Posted by ascariss
Don't think Sony has a chance with Apple, they are the first to have a curved LCD. Sony will definitely have to add bending technology to their next flagship, it is the only way to compete. Damn