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Posted by Residentevil
I still think that the VAIO brand could have been successful.


Posted by Gitaroo
PC laptop profit margin are paper thin, only companies with their own assembly/production lines and been in the business for eternity can manage to carve tiny profit out of it. And Sony was not one of those. Its just a dead weight they have been carrying on for far too long. I believe it was never profitable.

Posted by northmonkey
Regarding the QX series obviously there's a market for it but not everyone wants to carry big lenses around with them, a lot of people don't even use compact camera these days.

Sony should add 5x or 6x lossless zoom to the photo and video as an alternative and it would be a great selling point to.

WhatI notice on the Z2 is when you zoom in on 4k the quality decreases straight away whereas on the S5 and no doubt the Note 4 you can zoom in 4 times on 4k and not lose much quality.

Posted by Ricky D
The laptop market is like an end of the world sci-fi at the minute.

To continue the analogy the manufacturers are clans, the products are the remaining people, the customers are the food and water supplies. Most clans still has some high-blood line (ultrabooks), but most are poor excuses for life.

The world (laptop market) is still over-crowded (saturated), supplies aren't enough and are diminishing.

Sony made the right choice in not being part of a dog-fight that doesn't actually mean life or death.

The compact camera market is going this way too, just much slower.

--

Smartphone market, however, is a typical booming industry, still to reach the peak, probably about half the way there or just under.

Smart accessories like screenless camera QX series are still fighting for their place in the world, revolutionaries trying to find a following to mount an attack on world domination so as to avoid been deserted on an exotic island.

Posted by Tizzo
Sony mobile financial revision.

Looks like focusing more on premium devices and less mid range.

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/14revision_sony.pdf

Posted by JohnnyNr.5
That's the way to go. As long as Sony isn't able to deliver decent hardware at midrange price-point (Moto G, Xiaomi Redmi 1s...) concentrating all their resources on high-end segment is the best they could do.

Posted by Tsepz_GP
Focussing on high end will be difficult for them when you have Apple and Samsung pretty much owning that segment.

Posted by xperiazultra
Finally they came to their senses. Focus on high end. Let go all the others. Z, Z compact, Z ultra, z compact tablet and z tablet. Analyze the market and opt for Windows 9 for tablets (Portable pcs) when it is time.

Posted by Tizzo
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_[....]tphone_bussiness-news-9670.php

I hope they can bounce back, I would be devastated if they closed down their mobile division.

Posted by jeff17
I think Sony is just too conservative in producing phones. They must put every new tech or improved hardware even its not that huge advancement. Sony is not Apple or Samsung with huge fan base or popularity. Its okay if all consumers are that wise to see the reason why Sony is not putting every new tech. Sony needs to put new or even gimicky things for us. I say quadHD, Software Functions, Snapdragon 805, IR blaster , Superior Stereo speakers etc. They need recognition this time. If they reach Apple or Samsung level then thet can use their strategy but for now. I think they must put every single feature to put their products above others.
Look at LG G3 it was able to grab a huge sale even we think quadHD ad laser af are just too gimicky. Just my opinion. I still believe in Sony.

Posted by goldenface
The phones are fantastic, especially the latest ones. They need to gain traction with their marketing.

Posted by itsjustJOH
Gone are the days where they had standouts in the low-end and midrange segment. X10 mini, mini and mini pro, Neo, Ray, Active, P, U, and, probably the last standout which Sony deprived of 4.4, SP.

All of their new, non-flagship devices just don't get that much attention since they lost their sense of uniqueness, plus the omnibalance design looks sh*t with those really thick bezels and cheap plastic.

Posted by ascariss

On 2014-09-17 12:35:37, Tizzo wrote:
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_[....]tphone_bussiness-news-9670.php

I hope they can bounce back, I would be devastated if they closed down their mobile division.



On 2014-09-16 20:01:22, Wintermute wrote:
just like it would suck to lose a leg, but if your leg is consumed with gangrene, you have to cut it off if you want to live.


Looks like the start of gangrene but will they amputate or risk sepsis?

Posted by mefa2
Is Sony's planning to switch from glass design to the metal? I would like to see the Xperia phone with aluminium back cover.

Posted by Ranjith

On 2014-09-17 13:00:03, jeff17 wrote:
I think Sony is just too conservative in producing phones. They must put every new tech or improved hardware even its not that huge advancement. Sony is not Apple or Samsung with huge fan base or popularity. Its okay if all consumers are that wise to see the reason why Sony is not putting every new tech. Sony needs to put new or even gimicky things for us. I say quadHD, Software Functions, Snapdragon 805, IR blaster , Superior Stereo speakers etc. They need recognition this time. If they reach Apple or Samsung level then thet can use their strategy but for now. I think they must put every single feature to put their products above others.
Look at LG G3 it was able to grab a huge sale even we think quadHD ad laser af are just too gimicky. Just my opinion. I still believe in Sony.

Exactly.Few pages back we had this discussion of the need of QHD.Yes right now its not a necessity and maybe a gimmick but that doesn't matter.SONY has to do anything & everything to gain mass attention.Apple etc can afford to do this because they have already gained a massive fan base that will only buy Apple even if its an inferior product.SONY doesn't have that liberty..they need to keep doing things to get noticed and get attention and one day they will succeed.

Posted by -XYZ
No, Sony needs to streamline its portfolio of smartphones, and have bigger balls when it comes to competitive pricing.
This is what's costing them. Cheap phones are too expensive.

They could do what Apple does, and have their Mid and Low range products filled in by previous iterations of their flagship products. Flagship = Z3 series, Mid range = Z2 series and Low end = Z1 series. Would work a treat in the USA.

This also means releasing a cohesive line of Z-series products, and releasing them only once a year, instead of twice yearly.

Posted by Gitaroo

On 2014-09-17 16:32:16, Ranjith wrote:

On 2014-09-17 13:00:03, jeff17 wrote:
I think Sony is just too conservative in producing phones. They must put every new tech or improved hardware even its not that huge advancement. Sony is not Apple or Samsung with huge fan base or popularity. Its okay if all consumers are that wise to see the reason why Sony is not putting every new tech. Sony needs to put new or even gimicky things for us. I say quadHD, Software Functions, Snapdragon 805, IR blaster , Superior Stereo speakers etc. They need recognition this time. If they reach Apple or Samsung level then thet can use their strategy but for now. I think they must put every single feature to put their products above others.
Look at LG G3 it was able to grab a huge sale even we think quadHD ad laser af are just too gimicky. Just my opinion. I still believe in Sony.

Exactly.Few pages back we had this discussion of the need of QHD.Yes right now its not a necessity and maybe a gimmick but that doesn't matter.SONY has to do anything & everything to gain mass attention.Apple etc can afford to do this because they have already gained a massive fan base that will only buy Apple even if its an inferior product.SONY doesn't have that liberty..they need to keep doing things to get noticed and get attention and one day they will succeed.



that a also going above and beyond in "borrowing" software features from other venders. Multi screen support hello?! Who gives a shit if they came up with it or not now, its not like everything from Samsung or LG are their own creation, only thing that matters is you got it or not. Thats all people care. Their slow ass attitude has drove them into what they are today and they sure as hell deserves it. Hopefully Kaz guys knows what they are doing in the mobile division and they can dump the current boss for good.

Posted by FMW300
Saw this on twitter @fjeronimo:
Sony smartphone market shares in 2Q14: WW (3.1%), Western Europe (11.8%), USA (0,2%), Japan (14.8%). 2nd biggest player in Japan & 3rd in WE

Posted by cu015170
They won't close down the mobile devices, worst case scenario is selling it to someone.. so according to this they are expected to post ~ $2 billion loss for the fiscal year ending next March

http://www.theverge.com/2014/[....]tphones-is-costing-it-billions


On 2014-09-16 23:41:09, zooz wrote:
Toshiba just announced an ultra thin 1/2.4" 20 megapixel sensor.
Competition for Sony unless they can really get that curved sensor to work.

http://blog.gsmarena.com/tosh[....]e-sensor-high-end-smartphones/


I think that this is the new model of the one used in th 1520/930/Icon which seems to perform very well. If you really think about it Toshiba have been leading the way in mobile imaging since the Nokia N8 shipped 4 years ago.. their sensors have been in the 3 (N8,808,1020) best cameraphones we've seen thus far. The high pixel density stuff was particularly innovative..


On 2014-09-17 11:00:31, Tizzo wrote:
Sony mobile financial revision.

Looks like focusing more on premium devices and less mid range.

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/14revision_sony.pdf


It makes sense since that where the bigger margins are.. focusing there is one thing, succeeding.. another story. Everyone wants to be Apple
[ This Message was edited by: cu015170 on 2014-09-17 21:07 ]


Posted by ascariss

On 2014-09-17 22:05:17, FMW300 wrote:
Saw this on twitter @fjeronimo:
Sony smartphone market shares in 2Q14: WW (3.1%), Western Europe (11.8%), USA (0,2%), Japan (14.8%). 2nd biggest player in Japan & 3rd in WE



wow, that 0.2% market share.

Posted by -XYZ
Need that carrier support in the US

Posted by Xajel

On 2014-09-17 12:09:00, Tsepz_GP wrote:
Focussing on high end will be difficult for them when you have Apple and Samsung pretty much owning that segment.



What I see is that HTC is doing very well with their One series... in our region it's much more successful than any Xperia device.

Posted by goldenface
They have always done pretty well in Western Europe but this year it seems like the Z3 will be hitting some US carriers. Some heavy promotion will help it gain a foothold. The PS4 Remote Play feature is pretty strong in this respect.

Posted by pt020
Sony makes too many handsets,costs too much and brings too little.
If I had what to say there I would make 3 phones small,medium,large.
From each of the three I would make 2 versions: basic and high end.
introduction of one of the 3 every 4 month will make a cycle of new phone every year.

Posted by JohnnyNr.5
Important for the success of Sony in the mobile sector is the value of brand recognition/association. If you asked people what they associate with the name "Nokia" you often heard answers like great camera, beautiful design, multimedia device, top notch build quality. There are millions of people out there (me too) who wished Nokia to go with Android and deliver some exciting smartphones like in their glory days. But sadly it never happened. I see Sony in the position to succeed Nokia in terms of design, build quality and most important imaging ("Cybershot"). But they must deliver products with outstanding attributes branding the consumers mind. To do that you also need a great marketing department, which is able to advertise the benefits of their products without the need to troll others ("better than bigger").
[ This Message was edited by: JohnnyNr.5 on 2014-09-18 10:45 ]


Posted by -XYZ
They need to sell enough high end phones to cover the R&D costs and turn a profit.

They need high-margin flagships more than they need low-margin mid-rangers and low-enders. The latter two help with mindshare to an extent, but unfortunately for Sony, its costing them too much money.

Focus on the sector of the market where they can make the most profit.

It doesn't matter if they don't sell 50 million devices like Apple, as long as they make a profit on however many units they DO sell. If they sell 10 Million $600 dollar smartphones, and each one has costs $200-300 to make, then they've made $300-400 profit on each smartphone sold, which is $3 Billion, not including R&D costs.

Of course its not as simple as that, but that is the general idea.

Make deals with Carriers in the US, so they can have their phones on subsidised contracts to generate even more awareness. Sony's flagship smartphones are really very good. Battery life being one of the things they are most well-known for these days. I mean look at the Z3c. That thing would last a light user DAYS. If people knew about it, by seeing other people owning them and not needing to use the charger so often, they may well look beyond the iPhone and Galaxies and buy a Sony smartphone.


I really hope that's what Kaz plans on doing, now that he's taking the mobile business into his own hands. Cut the fat. Get rid of all the devices that cannot generate profit, and focus on the stuff that makes you money. Get rid of all R&D assets that are not contributing to the flagships and reduce manufacturing costs to maximise profits.

Sony's stock was just building up nicely, increasing upwards of $20 a share, but after the news on Tuesday its been in freefall, dropping down to $18.88, and maybe even further today.
[ This Message was edited by: -XYZ on 2014-09-18 10:51 ]



Posted by Ebato
and 0.1% out of it is my xperia Z

On 2014-09-17 23:27:59, ascariss wrote:

On 2014-09-17 22:05:17, FMW300 wrote:
Saw this on twitter @fjeronimo:
Sony smartphone market shares in 2Q14: WW (3.1%), Western Europe (11.8%), USA (0,2%), Japan (14.8%). 2nd biggest player in Japan & 3rd in WE



wow, that 0.2% market share.


Posted by ascariss
I feel the advertising budget in Europe is much higher or at least Sony has a better reputation and penetration. I see quite a few ads for Sony here, the Z1 was limited, but the Z2 had quite a good saturation I feel ad wise. Not sure about Z3, haven't really seen anything but I feel it will be as much as the Z2.

Posted by cu015170

On 2014-09-18 00:24:46, -XYZ wrote:
Need that carrier support in the US


Official carrier support does nothing.. its all about the sales people at the stores who push the phones, and they push Galaxys and iPhones.. Microsoft has been dealing with this for years.

Posted by Ranjith
SONY is still in the game..few changes to their system and they can succeed but if they continue with things like poor network support,no AD campaigns & being slow in implementing new features then they are digging their own grave.The Z2 was awesome so was the Z1C,it ticked all the right boxes..camera SW had some issues but thats about it but they kinda messed up with Z3..they definitely should have had QHD screens & with right promotions that could have sold well.Now the whole android world will be telling"man Note 4 had QHD!buy that!" ..Sony needs to implement hot features to gain attention.They have a really good set of phones now..just need that extra zip.Current devices are great for SONY users and most sensible users but SONY needs to tap the market of other fan bases.

Posted by admad
QHD is for dumb people, you gain nothing, and you loose battery life and performance, great deal...

I really hope that Z4 will have 1080p display, they could put those thin xenon flashes that were supposed to be available on the 2014. Now that would be hot feature, not some lame resolution.

Posted by Felimenta97
I agree that QHD is silly. I also don't see the need for it. However, they need to sell devices, and numbers sell. But they need to also advertise those numbers so they are effective.

Posted by king-james
^
Samsung make it possible to have an QHD Screen with same battery and even slighty better batterylife than the predecessor! So there Samsung shows how it works!

To be honest, I think all Z2 users are angry about Sonys decision with the Z3... It's just a shame to show same device in other "cover". Wouldn't you all see a 5,5" QHD Display and the new Snapdragon S805 and a f***in real good cam in the Z3???!!! That is what I call an Upgrade!

Z3 for nothing. Z3C is okay. There I see it makes sense. But Z3, come on, for what the hell please??? It was more than time for Z3 Ultra!!!!!!!

SONY WAKE UP OR IS IT ALREADY TOO LATE?!

AGAIN NO COMPETITION TO THE NOTE 4 AND STILL S5 BETTER THAN Z3/Z2....

AND NO I AM NOT A SAMSUNG FANBOY, I AM FU***N CRAZY SONY FAN!!!!! I BUY ALL NEW DEVICES AND GET DISAPPOINTED...

I WISH I COULD LEAVE SONY BUT I CANT. MY HEART BLEEDS EVERYTIME. I'M INFECTED AND THERE IS NO MEDICINE FOR IT.
[ This Message was edited by: king-james on 2014-09-18 18:29 ]


Posted by Wintermute
I agree that QHD is a waste on 5 or 5.2" devices, but it is NOT silly on a 6+" device. The Xperia Z Ultra, for instance, has a great display, but 1080p at that size is noticeably less sharp than 1080p at 5." The Z3 Tablet Compact should have been 1600p.

Posted by ascariss

On 2014-09-18 19:13:10, king-james wrote:
^
Samsung make it possible to have an QHD Screen with same battery and even slighty better batterylife than the predecessor! So there Samsung shows how it works!

To be honest, I think all Z2 users are angry about Sonys decision with the Z3... It's just a shame to show same device in other "cover". Wouldn't you all see a 5,5" QHD Display and the new Snapdragon S805 and a f***in real good cam in the Z3???!!! That is what I call an Upgrade!

Z3 for nothing. Z3C is okay. There I see it makes sense. But Z3, come on, for what the hell please??? It was more than time for Z3 Ultra!!!!!!!

SONY WAKE UP OR IS IT ALREADY TOO LATE?!

AGAIN NO COMPETITION TO THE NOTE 4 AND STILL S5 BETTER THAN Z3/Z2....

AND NO I AM NOT A SAMSUNG FANBOY, I AM FU***N CRAZY SONY FAN!!!!! I BUY ALL NEW DEVICES AND GET DISAPPOINTED...

I WISH I COULD LEAVE SONY BUT I CANT. MY HEART BLEEDS EVERYTIME. I'M INFECTED AND THERE IS NO MEDICINE FOR IT.
[ This Message was edited by: king-james on 2014-09-18 18:29 ]



How is the S5 better than the Z2/Z3, anything with touchwiz is a nightmare. It has very similar specs to the sony devices and only the S5 LTE-A has the 805 but then why spend the extra for a little more speed and faster modem meh, normal LTE is fast enough.

No one needs QHD on a 5.2 in screen, S805 is not much of an upgrade vs the 801, sure the GPU is better, but then it needs to be in the note4 to push so many pixels around. 805 has no built in modem so needs a separate one, meaning, higher battery drain. The only reason samsung is able to increase power and have good battery life is their new CPU (5433), is using ARM A57 and A53 at 20nm, vs the older 801/805 which is 28nm and based off A15. So opting for the 805 would not have changed anything and would not have brought anything revolutionary to the Z3. Sad thing is the exynos 5433 while at 20nm and using the new cores is still 32bit, yet using the new cores, who knows why this was the choice but whatever.

Once android L rolls in and 64bit, this is when things should get interesting. MWC will probably be about the 810 and exynos 7 (successor to current exynos, using 64bit). With 64bit, new gpu and 20nm, the 810 should be a beast.

This brings up another problem, everyone will want to jump onto the 810 bandwagon, LG, HTC, Sony, err maybe even samsung since, so the only way to differentiate will be on other things, like software gimmicks, design and other features like camera, waterproofing etc. Hopefully Sony brings their best game to the Z4, especially camera.

@Wintermute I do agree that above 6 inch QHD would be better, even more so at 8inch, but I tested the tab s, 8 and 10 inchers at samsungs store and damn, sluggish and not as smooth as it should be. Probably a touchwiz problem but still.

I am tempted to get the new Z3, but the fact that android L is soon to be released and the new chips in the new year, I feel I can hold out 6m. If android L is to bring camera improvements, I want to see first what this can do for my Z1, be it from Sony's software or 3rd party from the play store.

Posted by admad
Samsung make it possible to have an QHD Screen with same battery and even slighty better batterylife than the predecessor! So there Samsung shows how it works!


Can you provide a link for the proper battery test that proves it? I don't mean some guy who says that battery life is very good without any numbers



Posted by zxcorr
Higher than 1080p is an overkill IMO. Most media are still between 720p and 1080p anyway.
Not only it is about battery consumption, but it's also about the media filesize.

Posted by cu015170
Anything over 300ppi is overkill

Posted by AbhiD999

On 2014-09-18 19:13:10, king-james wrote:
^
Samsung make it possible to have an QHD Screen with same battery and even slighty better batterylife than the predecessor! So there Samsung shows how it works!

To be honest, I think all Z2 users are angry about Sonys decision with the Z3... It's just a shame to show same device in other "cover". Wouldn't you all see a 5,5" QHD Display and the new Snapdragon S805 and a f***in real good cam in the Z3???!!! That is what I call an Upgrade!

Z3 for nothing. Z3C is okay. There I see it makes sense. But Z3, come on, for what the hell please??? It was more than time for Z3 Ultra!!!!!!!

SONY WAKE UP OR IS IT ALREADY TOO LATE?!

AGAIN NO COMPETITION TO THE NOTE 4 AND STILL S5 BETTER THAN Z3/Z2....

AND NO I AM NOT A SAMSUNG FANBOY, I AM FU***N CRAZY SONY FAN!!!!! I BUY ALL NEW DEVICES AND GET DISAPPOINTED...

I WISH I COULD LEAVE SONY BUT I CANT. MY HEART BLEEDS EVERYTIME. I'M INFECTED AND THERE IS NO MEDICINE FOR IT.
[ This Message was edited by: king-james on 2014-09-18 18:29 ]



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Posted by Ranjith

On 2014-09-18 18:50:55, admad wrote:
QHD is for dumb people, you gain nothing, and you loose battery life and performance, great deal...

I really hope that Z4 will have 1080p display, they could put those thin xenon flashes that were supposed to be available on the 2014. Now that would be hot feature, not some lame resolution.

And you will see SONY's market share tumbling down even more. You might be happy with a 1080P,i might be happy with it and many other SONY fans will be..but rest of the Android users will buy a S6 or G4 or M9 or whatever cause they have QHD's .People want new features & tech..they aren't going to spend big money on device which has lesser or older features that rest of the competition.


Posted by pmugghc
I feel sorry for Sony, now that the Z3 and Z3C are getting very very positive reviews, it's too bad they didn't get better carrier support earlier in the US (I remember some d!ckheads here belittling the US market before). I hope they still have time with the Z3 and Z3C.

Posted by Tsepz_GP

On 2014-09-19 04:56:43, Ranjith wrote:

On 2014-09-18 18:50:55, admad wrote:
QHD is for dumb people, you gain nothing, and you loose battery life and performance, great deal...

I really hope that Z4 will have 1080p display, they could put those thin xenon flashes that were supposed to be available on the 2014. Now that would be hot feature, not some lame resolution.

And you will see SONY's market share tumbling down even more. You might be happy with a 1080P,i might be happy with it and many other SONY fans will be..but rest of the Android users will buy a S6 or G4 or M9 or whatever cause they have QHD's .People want new features & tech..they aren't going to spend big money on device which has lesser or older features that rest of the competition.





The QHD argument reminds me of the 3.5mm headphone jack saga, when SE used their proprietary port, while the rest went 3.5. SE fans claimed to be happy with SE's port and didn't need a 3.5mm jack, of course when SE finally started using the jack the same fans praised them, not a single complaint, same with GPS in a phone, WiFi b/g/n etc...they claimed they didn't need them, when SE put them in they praised them, watch the same happen with a QHD display.

Posted by Wintermute
I used to think anything over ~350 ppi was overkill, and then I got a Nexus 5, at 441 ppi, and.......it looked better. Maybe not by a huge margin, but I do think about 440 ppi is the sweet spot. You can still make out some pixels if you get really close, but you have to get so close that it becomes hard to even focus on the display.

Posted by amirprog
Being against qhd is being against natural evolution. its like denying human evolution.
maybe its not good with 801 and current android, etc. but you can't exclude it forever. with that, lack of qhd is not why sony don't sell as much as they could but lack of availability, marketing, non existence inside us carriers, not competitive low-mid range devices...

@Tsepz_GP
that proprietary SE connector was crap from the get go. i was complaining in SE forums about it a lot when i had my w800i back in 2005 i think. it took SE i think 4 years to realize that its crap. still a great device though.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2014-09-19 06:18 ]


Posted by supercoolman

On 2014-09-19 06:44:07, Tsepz_GP wrote:

On 2014-09-19 04:56:43, Ranjith wrote:

On 2014-09-18 18:50:55, admad wrote:
QHD is for dumb people, you gain nothing, and you loose battery life and performance, great deal...

I really hope that Z4 will have 1080p display, they could put those thin xenon flashes that were supposed to be available on the 2014. Now that would be hot feature, not some lame resolution.

And you will see SONY's market share tumbling down even more. You might be happy with a 1080P,i might be happy with it and many other SONY fans will be..but rest of the Android users will buy a S6 or G4 or M9 or whatever cause they have QHD's .People want new features & tech..they aren't going to spend big money on device which has lesser or older features that rest of the competition.





The QHD argument reminds me of the 3.5mm headphone jack saga, when SE used their proprietary port, while the rest went 3.5. SE fans claimed to be happy with SE's port and didn't need a 3.5mm jack, of course when SE finally started using the jack the same fans praised them, not a single complaint, same with GPS in a phone, WiFi b/g/n etc...they claimed they didn't need them, when SE put them in they praised them, watch the same happen with a QHD display.



sounds like apple to me.

Posted by Zuckabaecka

On 2014-09-18 19:13:10, king-james wrote:
^
Samsung make it possible to have an QHD Screen with same battery and even slighty better batterylife than the predecessor! So there Samsung shows how it works!

To be honest, I think all Z2 users are angry about Sonys decision with the Z3... It's just a shame to show same device in other "cover". Wouldn't you all see a 5,5" QHD Display and the new Snapdragon S805 and a f***in real good cam in the Z3???!!! That is what I call an Upgrade!

Z3 for nothing. Z3C is okay. There I see it makes sense. But Z3, come on, for what the hell please??? It was more than time for Z3 Ultra!!!!!!!

SONY WAKE UP OR IS IT ALREADY TOO LATE?!

AGAIN NO COMPETITION TO THE NOTE 4 AND STILL S5 BETTER THAN Z3/Z2....

AND NO I AM NOT A SAMSUNG FANBOY, I AM FU***N CRAZY SONY FAN!!!!! I BUY ALL NEW DEVICES AND GET DISAPPOINTED...

I WISH I COULD LEAVE SONY BUT I CANT. MY HEART BLEEDS EVERYTIME. I'M INFECTED AND THERE IS NO MEDICINE FOR IT.
[ This Message was edited by: king-james on 2014-09-18 18:29 ]



Even if Samsung make it possible to have an QHD Screen with same batterylife.
I don't care because QHD is nothing than a bigger number on the spec sheet.
The Z3 can still compete with the smartphone elite and thats the idea.
Of course it would be great if Sony would improve more things but the strategy is little evolution twice a year.

For the future I would like to see four devices.
Rumors say that sony will focus on high end devices. So I would like to see
- 4.5" compact
- 5" Z
- 5.5" plus/grand/mega
- 6" ultra

This should deal with everybodys taste.

Posted by Zuckabaecka

On 2014-09-19 06:44:07, Tsepz_GP wrote:

On 2014-09-19 04:56:43, Ranjith wrote:

On 2014-09-18 18:50:55, admad wrote:
QHD is for dumb people, you gain nothing, and you loose battery life and performance, great deal...

I really hope that Z4 will have 1080p display, they could put those thin xenon flashes that were supposed to be available on the 2014. Now that would be hot feature, not some lame resolution.

And you will see SONY's market share tumbling down even more. You might be happy with a 1080P,i might be happy with it and many other SONY fans will be..but rest of the Android users will buy a S6 or G4 or M9 or whatever cause they have QHD's .People want new features & tech..they aren't going to spend big money on device which has lesser or older features that rest of the competition.





The QHD argument reminds me of the 3.5mm headphone jack saga, when SE used their proprietary port, while the rest went 3.5. SE fans claimed to be happy with SE's port and didn't need a 3.5mm jack, of course when SE finally started using the jack the same fans praised them, not a single complaint, same with GPS in a phone, WiFi b/g/n etc...they claimed they didn't need them, when SE put them in they praised them, watch the same happen with a QHD display.



I wanted the 3.5 jack and GPS and FullHD.
So, what now?

Also there were arguments for a 3.5 jack and GPS, while QHD has only (pls no "but the screen looks sharper") arguments against it.


Posted by ascariss
Sony will probably move to QHD in 2015 for the Z4, most likely all other companies will as well, so Sony will probably not want to be left behind.

If a manufacturer can deliver a QHD display that uses the same or less energy than a FullHD display, then fine but if the QHD screens will be less efficient and only bring higher PPI and not other benefits, in truth they are not necessary. This all comes down to battery tech which has lagged behind screen tech significantly. Doesn't matter in the end, as I said, MWC will probably be all about 810 and QHD.

I see Sony is trying to get in on the glass concept. I wear glasses on a daily basis, so most of these are out for me, unless they feature my prescription. Don't like google's approach to prescription, do not like their designs.

http://www.theverge.com/2014/[....]glass-sdk-and-dev-release-date

Posted by miromiromi
The QHD argument reminds me of the 3.5mm headphone jack saga, when SE used their proprietary port, while the rest went 3.5. SE fans claimed to be happy with SE's port and didn't need a 3.5mm jack, of course when SE finally started using the jack the same fans praised them, not a single complaint, same with GPS in a phone, WiFi b/g/n etc...they claimed they didn't need them, when SE put them in they praised them, watch the same happen with a QHD display.


those are not comparable. one is about a widely used standard while the other is about bragging rights.

we can compare QHD to camera resolution. nokia introduced their 41MP monsters but did they sell well? sony's 20MP is regularly used for marketing but it's not doing enough to increase sales.

this also reminds me of MMS and video calling. mobile devices had to accommodate 3G and 4G speeds for MMS and video calls but look at what happened to them. they've been taken over by internet connectivity. wi-fi and messenger apps supplanted them.

i foresee the same happening to QHD. just look at apple. they stayed with their Retina resolution but have decided to go for bigger displays. apple is enjoying great sales. foldable or rollable displays make more sense.

if your concern is sony being able to sell, the problem is not about the specs anymore. the z3 seems enough now—excellent battery, manageable footprint, dust and waterproof, great display, and internals that can go toe-to-toe with what the competition has to offer.

the problem with sony is marketing and putting their devices on carriers. in japan, sony is still doing well despite the not so favorable sentiment of japanese to the sony brand (saw it in a documentary before) because they have the support of carriers and they are submitting to carriers' demand for 2 new devices per year.

also, sony should consider producing products that leave a mark instead of offering too many devices that are markedly uglier than the flagship and mid-range models. their low end and mid-range offerings are leaving a bad impression to customers—poor display, bad cameras, awful designs (except for the omnibalance E2)
[ This Message was edited by: miromiromi on 2014-09-19 10:15 ]


Posted by badassmam
I think Sony is one step away from greatness. The Z3 is the best in it's class and I bet it'll top all benchmarks and tests. My Z1C at 720p is amazing in terms of performance and I salute Sony for using lower resolution screens because the real life benefits are massive. In order to achieve greatness they need a camera that is miles ahead of the rest in the same way the Nokia 808 and 1020 emerged. The camera performance made people forget about all the deficiencies whereas Sony has all the boxes ticked but for that stand-out camera. Making a good camera should not be a problem for Sony. One step away from a near perfect phone.


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