SONY XPERIA Rumors 2014 - Esato archive

Posted by amirprog
Sony will not debut a flagship phablet exclusively at ces (electronic show) right before mwc which is the biggest mobile show of the year...

z ultra was more like an experiment for hardcore/tablet users. the next ultra will surely show with z4 and z4 tablet or not show at all in first half.

Posted by nodarsixar
okey bro........................

Posted by zooz
Can anyone explain how Android L new camera API is going to change/help camera quality?

Is it just more camera controls to app devs?

Posted by josephnero
please take notice GSMarena unit is using very old prototype build so it might even get better than that

Posted by willem1

On 2014-09-12 21:13:53, nodarsixar wrote:
Xperia Z3X=CES?
6.14 inch 2K OLED
22MP Curved sensor
Snapdragon 810 3GHz
4GB RAM

2K or 4K resolution screen is waste of battery and time, you won't see any different between a 5.2 1080p or 2K or 4K screen with your eyes, Sony already said that last time otherwise they have already implemented it in their device.

Posted by vivftp

On 2014-09-12 18:32:23, milukugiuniu wrote:
Sony will only deliver RX & QX series in the future.

Z3's carema development has been highly involved by Sony's camara department.

Very interesting news. Would you happen to know when they plan to implement this new move? CES or earlier?

I wonder if this could possibly, finally mean we'll see xenon or equivelant flashes on an Xperia device again!

Posted by -XYZ

On 2014-09-12 18:32:23, milukugiuniu wrote:
Sony will only deliver RX & QX series in the future.

Only...?

I find that remarkably hard to believe given the success of their mirrorless bodies. Unless the QX1 sells by the boatload, I would find it remarkably foolish to just stick to the RX and QX. The former is silly, but plausible, but resting your faith purely in the unproven QX line....I dunno.

Posted by vivftp

On 2014-09-13 00:52:44, -XYZ wrote:
Only...?

I find that remarkably hard to believe given the success of their mirrorless bodies. Unless the QX1 sells by the boatload, I would find it remarkably foolish to just stick to the RX and QX. The former is silly, but plausible, but resting your faith purely in the unproven QX line....I dunno.

He's talking about their point and shoot Cybershot division, not the Alpha range.

If they are going this route, I hope they eventually built in a hardware connection between future QX cameras and future Xperias. Doing this via wifi is fine, but still has lag and chews away at battery life. If they can add a hardware connection between the two devices (evolution of the magnetic charging port?) then they can possibly get performance and response time that's comparable to actual P&S devices.

Posted by milukugiuniu

On 2014-09-13 00:24:14, vivftp wrote:

On 2014-09-12 18:32:23, milukugiuniu wrote:
Sony will only deliver RX & QX series in the future.

Z3's carema development has been highly involved by Sony's camara department.

Actually, it has been done for a while. So you won't see any product other than RX & QX any longer.

Posted by vivftp
Very interesting, thanks for the reply.

VERY hopeful this means we'll see rapid advances in the mobile camera division. Curved camera sensors are hopefully just the beginning.

Funny enough, this almost makes the Z3x rumours seem more realistic! lol

Here's hoping for a ludicrously good CES and MWC!

Posted by milukugiuniu

On 2014-09-13 03:06:33, vivftp wrote:
Very interesting, thanks for the reply.

VERY hopeful this means we'll see rapid advances in the mobile camera division. Curved camera sensors are hopefully just the beginning.

Funny enough, this almost makes the Z3x rumours seem more realistic! lol

Here's hoping for a ludicrously good CES and MWC!

You are correct.

Posted by vivftp
Oooh, what a time to be a Sony fanboy

Sony are finally making very well rounded devices with very few flaws, they're pushing for more North American carrier coverage, and a LOT of people are starting to take notice of them.

I do have to wonder about that Z3x though. Early rumours said it would come at the end of next year, and later rumours said early next year. I REALLY want to replace my Z Ultra and the fact that the rumours said this device had a very capable camera have me overjoyed. I know nodarsixar posted his estimations on the Z3x earlier, but anyone else able to chime in on this device for either release date or specs?

Posted by miromiromi

On 2014-09-13 03:03:29, milukugiuniu wrote:

On 2014-09-13 00:24:14, vivftp wrote:

On 2014-09-12 18:32:23, milukugiuniu wrote:
Sony will only deliver RX & QX series in the future.

Z3's carema development has been highly involved by Sony's camara department.

Actually, it has been done for a while. So you won't see any product other than RX & QX any longer.

i hope they continue the compact super zoom line. the wx300 is an impressive shooter with its long battery life and relatively low price.

Posted by Ricky D
I cry a little bit inside everytime I think that I didn't get a Z Ultra a year ago.

Buying it now would be silly as it is old hardware coming to the end of it's support cycle, but who knows whether a suitable successor will be come available?

My heart bleeds.

Posted by vivftp
Have faith Ricky D, have faith. If the Z3x is a reality then we could have something amazing to look forward to.

I swear, if they had built the Z3 Compact Tablet with the same camera as the rest of the Z3 lineup then I'd get that as a new phone. I have no fracking idea where I'd put it, but that's a problem for future-vivftp to sort out

I've been rocking my Z Ultra for nearly a year now and to this day I get constant comments about this mammoth beast. My friends with their Note 3's can only look on with amazement at this beauty.

Come on Sony, don't let us down! I know we're still months away from CES and MWC, but if any insiders are out there, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE drop a hint or two about the Z3x or any other mammoth phones Sony are planning.

EDIT.

Actually, as I mentioend earlier this rumour about Sony ditching the rest of their Cybershot line-up and transferring those resources to mobile could be VERY big for us as it increases the possibility that the Z3x could actually come with some of those rumoured specs. A xenon flash and curved sensor along would make my pee myself with glee. I'm not sure if they could pull off the rumoured Trimasted OLED display, but even a screen on par with the Z3 would be VERY welcome.

It seems that after every major announcement there's just that little bit more to look forward to for the next one. I love the Z3 family and am encouraging many of my friends to get it, but it's just not for me it seems. Let's hope Sony has a mammoth lineup for CES and MWC planned... especially now that it seems Kaz is taking the reigns for mobile.

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Posted by Xajel
Reading through the last few pages makes me very happy regarding my decision of skipping Z3 to Z4

Posted by willem1

On 2014-09-14 11:55:43, Xajel wrote:
Reading through the last few pages makes me very happy regarding my decision of skipping Z3 to Z4

I have already order the Z3, i'm happy about it

Posted by josephnero
Getting unlocked Z2 today will wait for Z4 with SD810 after that.Z2 is still mighty

Posted by jealouskain
I also have a Z Ultra and I'm quite happy with it.
But right now, I really don't know what to do. The promise of a potential Ultra successor is quite sexy but nothing is sure.

Meanwhile, as I'm a big gamer, the Z3 tablet compact with remote play is looking amazing. Nevertheless, I'm not sure to feel comfortable to own that device as my only mobile companion. Perhaps the combo Z3 compact /Z3 tablet compact would do the trick but I hate to multiply the devices when I can have an all-in-one.

Amazing times and future for Sony fans, this is true. But this brings lots of choices and hard decisions

[ This Message was edited by: jealouskain on 2014-09-14 12:29 ]

Posted by ascariss
Hmm, was not expecting this at all from panasonic....

http://www.theverge.com/2014/[....]-leica-cm1-android-cameraphone

1 inch sensor

Posted by -XYZ
So there you have it.

This will sell as well as the Lumia 1020.

Posted by miromiromi
sounds great!
now other companies have a lead to follow.
if they followed sony's lens style cameras / QX series, there's no reason not to do what panasonic has done.
it only takes one brave soul to start a niche/ an innovation worth emulating.

So there you have it.

This will sell as well as the Lumia 1020.

but 1020 sales aren't that much

that's not a flattering comment

[ This Message was edited by: miromiromi on 2014-09-15 14:47 ]

Posted by ascariss

On 2014-09-15 15:41:21, -XYZ wrote:
So there you have it.

This will sell as well as the Lumia 1020.

Probably worse, since availability is right now limited to France and Germany for this christmas, meaning importing it will be hella expensive. It does run android, cyanogenmod I believe, so it has that over the 1020.

http://www.engadget.com/2014/09/15/panasonic-lumix-cm1/

more photos of it here.

I am sure sony could make something like this, and even make it smaller if they wanted to, at 4.7 inches, it is not that large and if Sony decided to use a 5 or 5.2 inch phone with a large 1 inch sensor, it might not have to be as thick.

Depending if sony responds to this, it is in the running for my next phone. Z4 will def not have such a large sensor, here is hoping someone at Sony also had a crazy idea of sticking a 1 inch sensor onto a smartphone, or at least something this thin and just a camera.

Posted by Gitaroo

On 2014-09-15 15:48:20, ascariss wrote:

On 2014-09-15 15:41:21, -XYZ wrote:
So there you have it.

This will sell as well as the Lumia 1020.

I read that this is probably just some throw away device that Panasonic use to get rid of their old 1" sensors that they can't find buyers for. And I sure hope that Sony won't waste their time trying anything like this.

Posted by -XYZ
€900

This is an ultra niche "phone" if ever I've seen one.
For heaven's sake it's got an enormous lens bump with a manual control dial...

They took a compact camera and added an SD801 and android.

Pointless device.

[ This Message was edited by: -XYZ on 2014-09-15 15:14 ]

Posted by razec
I'm closely watching Photokina announcements with Canon, Sony, Sammy and well, Panasonic, they just did it

1" sensor + leica lens on a flagship grade smartphone

http://www.androidauthority.com/lumix-dmc-cm1-525494/

[ This Message was edited by: razec on 2014-09-15 16:44 ]

Posted by JohnnyNr.5
Now it's time for a Xperia RX

[ This Message was edited by: JohnnyNr.5 on 2014-09-15 17:14 ]

Posted by moogoo
wow.. that thing is THICK.. but honestly i wouldn't mind having such a thick phone if it had the camera quality of an RX100..

i mean, if it eliminated the need to carry both, then I think it is a great compromise. Would be awesome if sony did come out with something like that, though I'm not sure they could afford to release such a niche device. and I say niche because not many people are gonna be up for the dimensions even with the camera specs.

i'm still waiting for the rx100m3 to go down in price.. sigh.

Posted by randomuser
The Panasonic cameraphone actually has the same Sony Exmor R sensor as the RX100

[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2014-09-15 17:46 ]

Posted by -XYZ
I find it pretty hilarious that inspite of having such a thick body AND a protruding lens, that the thing doesn't have xenon flash. Of all the omissions from a camera "phone".

Posted by goldenface
Yup! There is a reason why there is no Xenon in the current crop of flagship phones, but with the phone above, one could easily have been packed in.

Posted by nodarsixar
super cameraphone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz-9ThFyhdg

Posted by testarlol
Anything new on the Z3X rumor mill?

Posted by Ricky D
I have a terrible feeling the Z3X is a ghost.

Like the Cybershot Xperia, Xperia DS and for many years the Playstation phone (the latter was real but took about 4 years longer than expected).

I wouldn't be surprised if they run two major announcements a year, one for the odd numbered Z series (phone, Tablet Compact and Compact) and one for the even (phone, Tablet and Ultra). Other announcements will be small low-mid range and regional releases.

If I was Sony I'd want to keep it as simple as possible and no simpler way than to introduce an entire series at the same time.

Especially if they'e all going to have the same internals and rough feature sets anyway, staggering devices from the same series just makes end users feel there was no improvement in hardware.

Of course, multiple devices simultaneously announcing and releasing requires much greater resources concenrated into a short period of time for initial marketing push, supply line, production etc.

Posted by Gitaroo
I think someone mentioned the current boss of Sony mobile got demoted big time just before IFA and Kaz has some of his guys took over the division because of the laskluster performance for 2 years. Its true, Z2 mega detail probably the final nail for him.

[ This Message was edited by: Gitaroo on 2014-09-16 04:00 ]

Posted by makr
I heard some news about sony's curved sensor.
First curved sensor to come out is cmos sensor for smartphones and Sony already made contract with major smartphone and camera makers.
Samsung already has 300 of engineering sample.

Posted by Ebato

On 2014-09-16 04:59:24, Gitaroo wrote:
I think someone mentioned the current boss of Sony mobile got demoted big time just before IFA and Kaz has some of his guys took over the division because of the laskluster performance for 2 years. Its true, Z2 mega detail probably the final nail for him.

[ This Message was edited by: Gitaroo on 2014-09-16 04:00 ]

I said it before, and will say it again - suzuki is f*cking idiot. I hope he gets fired immediately. His religious resistance to WP in the time of such crisis is buffing to say the least. He's the one to blame for the mess that sony mobile is today.

[ This Message was edited by: Ebato on 2014-09-16 04:44 ]

Posted by Xajel

On 2014-09-16 05:43:57, Ebato wrote:

[ This Message was edited by: Gitaroo on 2014-09-16 04:00 ]

[ This Message was edited by: Ebato on 2014-09-16 04:44 ]

Man, you're talking like if WP will save the world

Personally I still believe WP is far from being a threat or a solution...

Posted by JohnnyNr.5
Sony sells its Vaio PC business, splits TV arm into a separate company and now we have rumors about Sony saying goodbye to DC-business. They decided to focus on post-PC products like smartphones and tablets, which means that those recent "crazy" rumors could indeed be real. I've always had the feeling that there was internal war between different departments of Sony, like in the old Nokia days (Symbian vs. Meamo). In terms of Sony it was Xperia vs. Cybershot. Even though being a big player in camera business (selling sensors to competitors, great DC and DSLR..) they made the Xperia cameras intentionally "worse" so it won't hurt sales of compact cameras. Now the know-how of the camera department will hopefully improve the camera quality of Xperias without compromising anything. And imo we could now also see diversive "test products"/niche products like a RX-Xperia, maybe not in H1-2015, but H2. The QX100/30 and the recently announced Sony ILCE-QX1 could just represent "the tip of the iceberg".

[ This Message was edited by: JohnnyNr.5 on 2014-09-16 09:27 ]

Posted by ascariss

On 2014-09-16 10:22:23, JohnnyNr.5 wrote:
Sony sells its Vaio PC business, splits TV arm into a separate company and now we have rumors about Sony saying goodbye to DC-business. They decided to focus on post-PC products like smartphones and tablets, which means that those recent "crazy" rumors could indeed be real. I've always had the feeling that there was internal war between different departments of Sony, like in the old Nokia days (Symbian vs. Meamo). In terms of Sony it was Xperia vs. Cybershot. Even though being a big player in camera business (selling sensors to competitors, great DC and DSLR..) they made the Xperia cameras intentionally "worse" so it won't hurt sales of compact cameras. Now the know-how of the camera department will hopefully improve the camera quality of Xperias without compromising anything. And imo we could now also see diversive "test products"/niche products like a RX-Xperia, maybe not in H1-2015, but H2.

But as the saying goes, never put all your eggs in one basket. I feel ditching the compact business is not a good idea, some models are needed on the less expensive side to lure in new customers who in the future should/would upgrade to a more expensive model from Sony, keeping them within the brand.

Selling Vaio was a poor move, hopefully Sony will not regret this decision in the future and have to buy back the brand from the investment group.

Posted by nodarsixar
real?

Posted by -XYZ
Do we really need to tell you that's fake? Think...use your brain. Not even remotely plausible.

Posted by smclion102
^^
NO

Posted by smclion102

On 2014-09-16 05:43:57, Ebato wrote:

[ This Message was edited by: Gitaroo on 2014-09-16 04:00 ]

[ This Message was edited by: Ebato on 2014-09-16 04:44 ]

What wrong did he do? Why did KAZ even give him the top job? Sony cant be doing mistakes KAZ has to choose the best of the best, If they keep doing mistakes then XPERIA will also be sold off.

[ This Message was edited by: smclion102 on 2014-09-16 10:27 ]

Posted by Ricky D

On 2014-09-16 10:56:34, nodarsixar wrote:
real?

Are you?

Posted by Wintermute
I think selling Vaio was a very good move. Yeah, it sucks losing it, just like it would suck to lose a leg, but if your leg is consumed with gangrene, you have to cut it off if you want to live. Sony needs to start turning things around soon, and steps like this help to show investors that they're serious about returning to profitability. Not only will it eliminate a major source of losses, but it might also help their bond sales.

Posted by Residentevil
I have a Sony Vaio laptop and I absolutely love it. I will hang on to it as long as I possibly can, because after that there is no Vaio no more

Posted by zooz
Toshiba just announced an ultra thin 1/2.4" 20 megapixel sensor.
Competition for Sony unless they can really get that curved sensor to work.

http://blog.gsmarena.com/tosh[....]e-sensor-high-end-smartphones/

Posted by MNX1024
With the QX series, Sony should definitely launch a case similar to the following:

http://www.engadget.com/2014/09/16/relonch-iphone-camera-case/

Allow for direct connection to reduce lagg, a larger physical shutter button, and an external battery! Heck, if they can even add some physical dial for some manual control, it'll work REAL well with their e-mount QX camera.

Posted by cu015170
I don't want to be negative, but I am afraid that the tablet boat has sailed, and the smartphone market is really saturated.. no matter how good of a phone Sony makes, there is very little they can do against Google/Apple..

The Vaio brand was strong.. still not sure why they sold it considering that Intel had chips in the pipeline that would allow them to really shine in terms of hardware design, which is what they are known for.

Here: http://ultrabooknews.com/2014[....]nchmarks-and-product-previews/

The traditional "PC" might be dead, whatever that means, but there is still room for improvement on the portable side.

The Xperia brand is to Google what Vaio was to Microsoft.. still playing traditional OEM, they just moved from PC to phones.

[ This Message was edited by: cu015170 on 2014-09-16 22:53 ]