SONY XPERIA Rumors 2014 - Esato archive

Posted by itsjustJOH
Sony trolls Apple's iPhone 6 announcement, says its Xperia smartphones are "better than bigger"

Oooh, feisty.

Posted by cableguy

Posted by miromiromi
but you gotta give apple props for the consistency.
they never disappoint to disappoint ... the legion of android fans.
sorry android, apple's not in the mood to participate in the specs wars
android fans seriously have no business taunting them.
apple is just serving its established market.
their final products are what they think their market wants.

Posted by Zuckabaecka

but you gotta give apple props for the consistency.
they never disappoint to disappoint ... the legion of android fans.
sorry android, apple's not in the mood to participate in the specs wars
android fans seriously have no business taunting them.
apple is just serving its established market.
their final products are what they think their market wants.

Well, the problem is what apple an their hardcore-fans think of the iProducts.
They think that everything made in Cupertino ist absolutely the best on market and everybody else is a copycat.

If this company would act more human and modest (a bit) than it would be ok.

Posted by ascariss

On 2014-09-10 11:17:55, Zuckabaecka wrote:

The fact Apple sells so may units of the iphone and the rest of their products, shows whatever they are doing still works and their fan base is satisfied and happy. Moving to a larger size was inevitable, market research was plenty enough to convince apple but I do wonder if Jobs were still alive, if such a move would have occurred or apple would have stuck with a smaller screen, 4.3 instead of 4.7.

Only reason android is more popular is due to the large amount of products on the market from so many manufacturers. So apple being just the one and selling so many units shows people want the device for the simplicity and no headache use.

Is the new iphone or iwatch revolutionary? nope, are they good products? sure, the iphone is good

but maybe not so much the watch, it is average and nothing in the smartwatch world will replace the normal analog watch.

http://www.theverge.com/2014/[....].106050945.36736880.1410341869

According to a designer who works at Apple, Jonathan Ive, Apple’s design chief, in bragging about how cool he thought the iWatch was shaping up to be, gleefully said Switzerland is in trouble — though he chose a much bolder term for "trouble" to express how he thought the watchmaking nation might be in a tough predicament when Apple’s watch comes out.

No watch maker in switzerland has anything to worry about, let alone from apple.

Last time I checked most of these companies make watches that cost more than apple's laptops and are made out of materials apple could only dream of. The fact apple was able to lure Patrick Pruniax from Tag Hauer means nothing now, he was hired this summer and the watch was in development already for 3 years and he added jack to it, perhaps the new model next year? or whenever will be better, but as it stands now, the watch is boring and lacks excitement.

Yes the iphone will sell and sell out as it always does but compared to the note the larger 5.5 inch iphone brings nothing new or better, I would have thought a pen would have been provided but nope. guess Apple didn't want to copy samsung, woops.

Sorry for the rant.

Posted by DexterMoser
^ +1

On 2014-09-10 10:17:58, cableguy wrote:

So true

Posted by zooz
That 8MP camera though...4 years in a row. They seriously messed that up!

I really hoped it was gonna be the rumoured 1/2.3" 13MP Sony sensor, which would've seriously rocked. Does anyone know if Sony have actually made this sensor? Or will make this, because that would be the best camera in Android/iOS.

Also the Z4 is getting the thinner 1/2.4" sensor?

Posted by Ranjith
I hardly doubt any android fans actually hate the iPhones..its more to do with the stupid fans and their pricing..actually more to do with the fans.I mean iPhones are not THE BEST,its great just like Android Flagships..If any is best or not depends on the User & his requirements. Its the fans and the general perception that i am better than you coz i have an iPhone that putts many off

and Apple no more is a great innovator like they use to be..mainly to do with technological saturation but still..and Androids with their pace of new products always bring newer hardware and features.

[ This Message was edited by: Ranjith on 2014-09-10 15:29 ]

Posted by tai020381
Its 20.7mp my dear. 8mp is only set for intelligent auto mode. There are still 15mp you can choose. And usually 8mp for me is also way too much. My NEX6 picture size was only set to 7mp.

Posted by Ranjith

On 2014-09-10 16:27:57, tai020381 wrote:
Its 20.7mp my dear. 8mp is only set for intelligent auto mode. There are still 15mp you can choose. And usually 8mp for me is also way too much. My NEX6 picture size was only set to 7mp.

i guess he was referring to the iPhone6

Posted by ascariss

On 2014-09-10 16:20:02, zooz wrote:
That 8MP camera though...4 years in a row. They seriously messed that up!

I really hoped it was gonna be the rumoured 1/2.3" 13MP Sony sensor, which would've seriously rocked. Does anyone know if Sony have actually made this sensor? Or will make this, because that would be the best camera in Android/iOS.

Also the Z4 is getting the thinner 1/2.4" sensor?

Well 1/2.4 is not a standard sensor size and it would make no sense for sony to use such a size, I explained many many many pages back that there would be no space saving benefits from using such a sensor, instead, evolving the 1/2.3 sensor to be smaller would be the better option.

Hopefully the Z4 will have the curved 1/2.3 sensor. Fingers crossed.

Posted by amirprog
Anyone thinks that the smartwatch 3 is a bit disappointing in terms of design and generally compared to its rivals? especially to apple watch. it's like they don't care much about it. personally i don't care much about smart watches but it seems a bit strange. i would expect better from sony for third generation.

Posted by tors

On 2014-09-10 18:17:03, amirprog wrote:
Anyone thinks that the smartwatch 3 is a bit disappointing in terms of design and generally compared to its rivals? especially to apple watch. it's like they don't care much about it. personally i don't care much about smart watches but it seems a bit strange. i would expect better from sony for third generation.

Here is the thread for Sony Smartwatch 3, http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=207209

Posted by Gitaroo
all of Sony year end devices are a bit lacking compare to the competitors, its like they knew the sales would be low to even bother or something. Z3 looks great but they went with lower res screen and most importantly older SoC while others got the latest and greatest. They have been criticize for ages releasing hardware with outdated spec and surprised everyone with Z ultra, but now they are taking a step back again.

Posted by itsjustJOH

On 2014-09-10 20:42:59, Gitaroo wrote:
all of Sony year end devices are a bit lacking compare to the competitors, its like they knew the sales would be low to even bother or something. Z3 looks great but they went with lower res screen and most importantly older SoC while others got the latest and greatest. They have been criticize for ages releasing hardware with outdated spec and surprised everyone with Z ultra, but now they are taking a step back again.

It's not really a step back but a safe risk to not step forward too early. Safe since 801 is not that old compared to 805 and that could mean that it might be cheaper than the 805, plus it has the integrated cellular radios unlike the latter which could add to cost. Safe, again, since 1080p in a 5.2" display would have minute to none visible difference to QHD in the same display size, battery life should be better, and the panels should be cheaper. A risk since those might affect the perception of the average consumer, resulting to lower sales. I think they did their homework, that the sales should it be higher with 805 and QHD less the cost of production would result to less profit than with the sales of 801 and FHD less it's cost of production.

Posted by Gitaroo
depends on how you look at it, from Sony side, sure. For customers no, the moment the sales rep said weaker or older SoC, whether the customers even understand or care about it at all they will turn their head towards other options. Thats like 99% of the time. Its not like the z3 cost a lot less, like Im talking about at least 100 USD difference too even compete with Note 4 etc. That's how Samsung are able to shift a lot of phones and have the burnt into average joe mind that Samsung = latest and greatest. Even Crap like S4 mini before sell, probably more than Z1C. Cheaper to build sure, but it doesn't mean crap when you can sell any of them. Sony bad rep with outdated has burn into many people minds already, If people ever check again now they will say, same old sony overprice outdated crap.

[ This Message was edited by: Gitaroo on 2014-09-10 21:27 ]

Posted by AbhiD999
Z3 is the most complete and polished Flagship right now!

Note 4 scores even lower than or equal to Z2 despite of having the latest s805... thanks to that gimmicky 2k resolution. So s805 and 2k combo doesn't make much sense.

Not to mention the outstanding battery life Z3 is going to have just coz of S801 and 1080p coupled with new battery tech !

If I were to buy a phone now I wud happily choose Z3 over Note4

Posted by McKinley
@abhiD
Which I am doing. I have updated to the Note 2 3 before but I feel it's time to break that trend.
As a matter of fact, I haven't been this excited for a new phone since I got the Note 2.

Posted by hellogoodbye
Hi guys,

Its been a while since my last post. I wonder does anyone have any idea, what might Z4 specs be? And what feature will make Sony's flagship to stand out from the crowd?

Posted by JohnnyNr.5
@hellogoodbye

recent rumored specs of Z4: QHD-Display, SD810, new/different battery-technology and new camera sensor. With Abdroid 5.0/L Sony will introduce a completely new UI.

Personal note:
Most likely its design and build quality will make it stand out from the crowd. Other companies want stand still while Sony is evolving. You can be sure that Samsung, LG, HTC and those rising giants from China will have some "beast" hardware ready for MWC 2015. And I think that especially Samsung will stand out with the S6 after not so overwhelming sales of S5.

Posted by Xajel
^^^

I think we already know these info by now, what is not known mainly is the screen size will it stays at 5.2 or will have a slight increase ( 5.3 )...

of course along with other features like built-in Qi, and others...

Posted by zooz

On 2014-09-10 17:26:41, ascariss wrote:

There was a sensor roadmap posted here with a rumoured 1/2.4" sensor highlighted as the flagship one. But yeah, a curved 1/2.3" sensor would be better. Sony still need to improve their image processing though. Them or Android. Will Android L give developers any tools to help improve image quality?

Posted by itsjustJOH
^The rumored 1.24" sensor was supposed to be for Z3, same as the rumored "entirely new design".

Posted by xperiazultra
Well call me a fool but I am still waiting for a Z3/Z4 ultra at the MWC 2015.

Posted by king-james
Not only U.

Why MWC? I think more at CES.

Posted by HxH
Sony Xperia featured on Sony-made TV series : The Blacklist

https://www.facebook.com/NBCB[....]15791511882046/556920011102527

Posted by amirprog
@xperiazultra
You are not a fool. z4, z4 ultra and z4 tablet trio are expected for mwc. just like z3, z3c, z3tc were for ifa. i would be surprised if not. safe bet. i don't see sony ditching the ultra line because they need to stay competitive. even if they bump z4 to 5.5" display they still need a bigger display in 6" to stay competitive imo because 6" is the new (and permanent?) standard for phablet display size.
@hellogoodbye
possible new features that come to mind like others mentioned and more:
5.5" qhd ips, s810, 4gb ram, usb 3.1 type c port, more changes in design and metal chassis, minimum of 32gb internal storage, curved sensor, two tone dual led, 3 dimensional ois, higher quality front facing camera, better battery life, ir remote, built in wireless charging, own reliable fingerprint scanning - some sites reported in the past that sony patented sensors behind the display panel that can be used for fingerprint scanning.

Posted by bronxdude
i am really hoping for a new design. omnibalance is way overused by now.

Posted by king-james
Since the first Xperia Z till yet same design... I wanna see the legendary arc design back!

Posted by Gitaroo
arc means increase thickness, not sure if anyone would want that

Posted by amirprog
I personally really don't envy sony designers (well i do!) because they need to outdo themselves every time and in my opinion it is very challenging to outdo such a great design of z3. the radical change in design that some people call for could be:
1. metal chassis with ultra slim top and bottom bezel and as a result thicker profile (like g3 or sharp aquos line of flags), be it arc design or not, and say goodbye for 7.3mm, add at least 10-15mm.
2. metal chassis with evolved z3 design.
both options should satisfy consumers imo and bring fresh look to the design. obviously option one brings more radical changes but evolution is not bad. both got pluses and minuses. hard for me to choose but i will go with option 2.
i'm curious to know what option would any of you like more?

[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2014-09-11 20:59 ]

Posted by -XYZ

On 2014-09-11 20:49:30, king-james wrote:
Since the first Xperia Z till yet same design... I wanna see the legendary arc design back!

Arc looks decent, but is sub-optimal. Why have that arc, when you could make it flat and fit in a larger battery?

People seem to think that Sony can design whatever they want and make it happen. Physics are still at play. They need to fit the Motherboard, the camera module, the battery, the vibration motors, the dual speaker drivers and amps. And they need to do so in a way that is neat and thermally efficient.

[ This Message was edited by: -XYZ on 2014-09-11 21:29 ]

Posted by JohnnyNr.5
BTW: What happend to that "cybershot" Xperia? Some insider here on esato said that he saw a phone with a big camera lens at the back.

If I'm not mistaken it would have kinda looked like this.

Posted by ascariss

On 2014-09-11 23:05:21, JohnnyNr.5 wrote:
BTW: What happend to that "cybershot" Xperia? Some insider here on esato said that he saw a phone with a big camera lens at the back.

If I'm not mistaken it would have kinda looked like this.

I do not remember this post but this may be a long shot. Perhaps this insider saw the QX line of lens cameras on a phone? Or a prototype of the QX line?

Posted by motvikt

On 2014-09-11 23:29:38, ascariss wrote:

I do not remember this post but this may be a long shot. Perhaps this insider saw the QX line of lens cameras on a phone? Or a prototype of the QX line?

Or just bullshit like many other post regarding "new design" or even a return of the arc shape which we have seen in this thread

Posted by -XYZ

Someone clearly forgot how physics work.

Posted by S4k1s

I made this in 2007...

Posted by itsjustJOH

On 2014-09-11 23:05:21, JohnnyNr.5 wrote:

Oh if I remember it right, this was from a prototype for Z1 that maiaramdan allegedly saw while claiming specs that were just ridiculous bullcrap like a Yota-like E-ink rear display and dual-OS sh*t. And this was one of the few reasons of the drama that took place in the 2013 rumors thread.

Posted by xperiazultra

On 2014-09-11 19:53:13, bronxdude wrote:
i am really hoping for a new design. omnibalance is way overused by now.

I disagree. Xperia Z was introduced in Feb 2013. Merely a year and a half. I think omnibalance stands serious and sleek.

Posted by goldenface
I too like the omnibalance design. It was done well to get mostly positive reviews and looks great to me too. As much as I like the Arc and the Xperia T, TX and V designs they didn't give off the same quality.

Posted by Rockarel
If you look carefully you'll notice that the above prototype has an interdimensional portal on the front face, linked to galaxies that do not adhere to the laws of physics, and are far outside human understanding (apart from Sony's engineers). This easily explains the xenon flash and telescopic lens.[*]

Posted by amirprog
good concept = realistic concept, one that can be made in reality considering a portable device dimensions and internals, etc. these two are... not.

Posted by milukugiuniu
Sony is o terminate its DC business and transfer all the relavent resources to mobilphone department.

Mobilphone camera is a major focus for Sony!

Posted by goldenface

Really? I thought it's DC division was doing well. Or is this a strategic decision.

[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2014-09-12 15:48 ]

Posted by Shino03
They should have done that a long time ago. The DC industry is dying so not that surprising for me.

Posted by MNX1024
@goldenface What's doing well is their sensor division and mirrorless division. Not their point and shoot product, minus the RX series.

Posted by milukugiuniu
Sony will only deliver RX & QX series in the future.

Z3's carema development has been highly involved by Sony's camara department.

Posted by jonfensu
IMPRESSIVE

But I dont like this
Black, 0.77 cd/m2;
Contrast ratio 942
Hummm

[ This Message was edited by: jonfensu on 2014-09-12 18:42 ]

Posted by JohnnyNr.5
full review by gsmarena: http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_z3_compact-review-1135.php

Nice battery life results, but talk-time seem a bit odd Z1C with smaller battery lasted longer

[ This Message was edited by: JohnnyNr.5 on 2014-09-12 18:33 ]

Posted by nodarsixar
Xperia Z3X=CES?
6.14 inch 2K OLED
22MP Curved sensor
Snapdragon 810 3GHz
4GB RAM