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Posted by Gitaroo
unfortunately, Sony mobile is run my dumb chimps that only think about Japan first then everything else second. Japan carriers ask for new devices every season.


Posted by Xajel

On 2014-08-21 08:43:50, xperiazultra wrote:
I am shocked. Can't Sony people see this? I mean just look at the iPhone.ıf you focus your energy into a single product then its a massive hit whether it deserves it or not. Less number of phones means more attention to the products. But seriously discontinuing ultra line? Why release Z2 if you could have made Z3? What has changed in 6 months? Big tech leap? I am starting to think Stephen Elop got a job at Sony mobile division or something.


I disagree,

Sony is not Apple, and Apple is not Sony, not to mention that iOS is not Android and vise-versa.

what helped Apple is the huge loyal fan base they have they just overwhelming every thing with that bitten apple logo on it, was good or not... they're marketing Apple products for free !!

Sony doesn't have this fan base, so the focus should be go for what customers want, Apple is doing what they want mainly... just now they started to listen a little bit duo to massive pressure from apple fans ( we want larger screens ) but still Apple controlling their customers/fans they knew that the customers will adapt with what ever Apple duo ( take the iOS 7 UI change as example )

In our world, if a customer wants a big screen he will move to another company, if he wants faster updates he will move to another company, if he want vanilla android he will move to another company ( Nexus ), yes even Nexus has it's own fan base...

Sony will not go to the Vanilla Android route, but they can go the other parts, they just need to focus on fewer number of products and give them more love.. and get rid of this 2 flagships per year policy. If they want sales in both H1 and H2 then they should launch main flagship in H1 and a larger on in H2.. they can also launch the compact in mid year...

They knew that midrange phones they have doesn't have that much sales duo to strong competitors so they need to just suspend these to think more about them or just lower the price now as every body else bring more for the same amount of money...

low ends are two edge's knifes... they have a low margin, but they mean higher market share in the same time...

I feel what Felipe said is good example of what Sony should do.. the main stuff they should now is to stop this two flagship policy ASAP... and give the compact and Ultra more love and dedicated time frame for each... the Ultra should be smaller ( like 5.7-5.8 with narrow screen margins ) lets face it, the main competitor is the Note series... now Sony have a compact tablet so having more than 6" phone is not a good idea !!

Posted by xperiazultra
I agree to most of the points you made. But fanbase is something you develop by good marketing and PR. Sony has all the goodies for it. I mean even our elders know Sony makes the most qualified products. They need to shine that. Make 3 categories Like felipe wrote (but I would name them X Y and Z more catchy ) I disagree about the 5.8 inch Ultra line. Even the G3 is 5.5 now. 6-6.2 will be more like it. If you put the killer camera and improve on the whatever you like input method (stylus) there you go sony. I even think about putting 4 little round speakers to the top and bottom bezels (2 each) so that with the slim profile you have a little 4K bravia tv and you can stop people complaining about the bezels. Another topic is that this year will be the battle of health apps. So heart rate sensors and bla bla bla should be included so that Sony won't fall short. Moreover I read somewhere that an Israeli firm made a very fast charging possible for a galaxy s4 (15 mins). Buy the firm put it in the Z series and you dominate. When it comes to sony they have a very wide range. Very good imaging department, very good audio department, very good display unit, very good console department. They need to level the software also ( i really like the xperia launcher by the way).
There's a saying in my country,

Have you got flour?
Have you got sugar?
Have you got butter?
Why are you holding back? Make the goddamn cake. )

Posted by goldenface
I too disagree.

Sony could pool all of its R&D and marketing budget into creating 'one phone to rule them all' but that STILL doesn't guarantee them a surefire hit. And if that phone were to fail? What then?

Posted by xperiazultra
I am not saying that Sony should release only one phone.

Z series high end ; flagship, compact and ultra
Y series mid range; ultra, normal sized and rugged version maybe (dual sim all)
X series low end; big screen, normal sized, and audio centric (dual sim again)

And the accessories like selfie camera add ons for Y and X series maybe.

Just go for hail mary in the Z series. With a good marketing strategy of course they will succeed.

Xperia X, Y, Z sounds nice.

Posted by Xajel

On 2014-08-21 12:18:23, xperiazultra wrote:
I disagree about the 5.8 inch Ultra line. Even the G3 is 5.5 now. 6-6.2 will be more like it. If you put the killer camera and improve on the whatever you like input method (stylus) there you go sony.


The problem with larger than 6" is that most peoples are considering this as too large for a phone, they sure want a larger phone but not that large, and it will be closer to the Z3 compact size also ( 8" )...

Personnaly I feel that 5-5.3" are the good size for a high-end flagship... and 5.7-5.9" are good size for a larger flagship, maximum is 6" but with slim side bezels ( as most peoples will work in landscape mode I think ) bottom and top bezels can be larger to hold the front facing stereo speakers and to have a grip for the phone also. a phone this size will depend on two hands for most of time so a grip is very important... but over sizing the bezels will just kill the phone as peoples will start looking into 7~8" tablets by that size

Posted by Tizzo
http://www.gsmarena.com/tenaa[....]_xperia_z3_specs-news-9417.php

Surely there must be some unique new feature over the Z2 to warrant an upgrade?
[ This Message was edited by: Tizzo on 2014-08-21 14:10 ]


Posted by xperiazultra
Well I have been using Z ultra for a while now. And I agree that this phone is gigantic. But 6 inch could be the sweet spot. Think about a 5 inch phone and a 6 inch phone how they really differ. There is the same difference between 6 inch phone and a 7 inch tablet. I think lumia 1520 has the maximum usable screen size. So I would vote for 6 inches and top bottom bezels must stay for front speakers and a place to hold. Thickness should be kept at most 7 mm so you don't have a big brick. I think these specs we discuss are not impossible to make. iPhone did it back then and they are still gathering the bonuses. 5.3 inch flagship and a 4.5 compact is great. Hope someone from Sony reads these comments. Thanks guys.

Posted by aussieland1
I too would vote for 6 inches- i had Note 3 which is 5.7 and I have Lumia 1520 which is 6 inches - and i wouldn't go any larger than that. 6.44 on Ultra is good however it is too difficult to handle it/carry it around- it is more like a small tablet to me

Posted by king-james
I'm sure Z3C won't beat Alpha. Better HW doesn't mean better automatic...

Alpha has a nice display, good camera, better than expected battery, powerful cpu, all in a slim compact metal body. That's what I want from Sony!

Check GSMarena Review:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_alpha-review-1118.php



Posted by kurtdean
^ battery life is not that good compared to Z1c. Z3c will probably have better stereo sound, much better battery, perhaps better camera, more Ram, IP rating. Galaxy Alpha only has better cpu and perhaps better screen only
[ This Message was edited by: kurtdean on 2014-08-21 15:08 ]


Posted by XperiaCute

On 2014-08-21 15:57:44, kurtdean wrote:
^ battery life is not that good compared to Z1c. Z3c will probably have better stereo sound, much better battery, perhaps better camera, more Ram, IP rating. Galaxy Alpha only has better cpu and perhaps better screen only
[ This Message was edited by: kurtdean on 2014-08-21 15:08 ]



I'm sure Xperia Z3C would be better than Alpha in every aspect except for the screen contrast ratio

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Posted by amirprog
@king-james
I don't see how alpha is superior to z1c or upcoming z3c overall unless you have specific personal preference if you like samsung software, you like its design, etc. if i were to buy a c flag for the next few years i'd put my money on z1c for almost half the price of alpha or wait for z3c. alpha seems like a good phone but is not a true c flag. no micro sd slot, no premium design (most of the phone is plastic), no certification, weaker battery, no mhl.

about display size, imo, 4.7>5.5>6.0 is good.

Posted by miromiromi
on the contrast ratio topic...

i'm really wondering why gsmarena insists that the super amoled display has an "infinity" contrast ratio when samsung only advertises 1:100,000.

does gsmarena actually does the test or they're simply assuming that because it's amoled the the divisor will automatically be zero? don't they realize that even when those OLED pixels are turned off, they still illuminate slightly because of the reflecting ambient lighting or the light that may bleed from the adjacent pixels? surely, it's impossible to have 0 brightness on one pixel because they cannot simply absorb light that hit them. they will always reflect a part of the ambient light when it hits them.

anyway, galaxy alpha is definitely not better than even z1c based on that screenshot.
just look at the talk time. z1c can provide almost twice the talk time and more web browsing and video playback hours.

http://cdn.gsmarena.com/vv/re[....]t/xperia-z1compact-battery.jpg
[ This Message was edited by: miromiromi on 2014-08-21 15:44 ]


Posted by Tsepz_GP
The Alpha isn't meant to be better than the Z1c or Z3c, the Alpha has one phone in it's site, a phone that brings actual profit, billions of it to its company and that's the iPhone, you may compare the Alpha to the Z1c and Z3c until you are blue in the face, it will not win, it's not meant to. Samsung clearly don't see the Z1c or Z3c as a threat, they proved that when they launched the S5 Mini with a Snapdragon 400 and 1.5GB RAM and they proved that again with the Alpha coming at a higher price yet with no IP certification, no MicroSD slot and a metal rim, it's crystal clear what the Alpha is here for.

Posted by king-james
@kurtdean
- What stereospeakers? Z2 stereospeakers are a joke! So what do you expect from a smaller coming device?
- More RAM? Isn't 2GB enough? What Do you want to do with a small device like this? 3GB are not necessary!
- Better battery than Alpha. Ok, thats true, but you must imagine, this Alpha has only 1860mAh battery. I can say for sure Sony wouldn't get such nice results with same battery! And dont forget the battery is removable. So you can take a second battery in your pocket!

@amirprog
We know already that the Z3C I call it ZIIIC will be more packed with latest things inside but thats not the point. The Alpha is not the competitor for the new Compact. If Samsung wanted they could easy kill Z3C. Till yet the Z1C was not a competitor. Even not for Samsungs smaller line up Mini. Samsung sells millions in double figures digits, Sony can dream for this for any device! Don't forget Samsung is always ready. And for what the hell you need MHL????

@Tsepz
Thanks!
[ This Message was edited by: king-james on 2014-08-21 16:37 ]


Posted by amirprog
@Tsepz_GP
The discussion about alpha and compact is not about who will sell more. of course alpha will sell more as samsung are the best in marketing, but it is about which device is worth buying, is more premium, is a true flag. the answer is pretty clear.
@king-james
i wasn't not talking about which will sell more. why should i care about which device sell more when i go to buy a smartphone for the next few years? mhl, why not? it's a pretty cool option. of course i would never base my decision for this feature alone.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2014-08-21 16:18 ]


Posted by Hilmawan
When it comes to iPhone i think it's also crystal clear that the Alpha or even the Note 4 won't do any damage to iPhone sales at least for now.

Posted by king-james
@amirprog

Okay, but when I'm honest, IMO Z3C has only 3 advantages over the Alpha:

1. SD-slot
2. Bigger battery
3. Waterresistant

Alpha over Z3C:

1. slimmer & lighter -> better in hands
2. better display + gorilla glass
3. (better camera)
4. removable battery
[ This Message was edited by: king-james on 2014-08-21 16:38 ]


Posted by MartenR
@Tsepz_GP I find your discussions to be invalid. Here we are discussing which phone will provide the consumer with better experience. Here's a forum for smartphone enthusiasts not share-holders, execs etc. As fars as I know. For consumers not having micro-SD slot, water resistance and cheaper build all coupled with higher price is considered a disadvantage.

@king-james I guess dragontrail glass is better than gorilla glass and it remains to be seen if Sony finally addressed their camera software.


Posted by XperiaCute
@king-james

Did you ever saw Z1C or T2 Ulra battery result ?! what do you know about Battery revolution then ?!






Even Samsung Note 3 is not close to those Sony Extreme result .

http://blog.gsmarena.com/samsung-galaxy-note-3-battery-life-test/

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[ This Message was edited by: XperiaCute on 2014-08-21 17:05 ]


Posted by king-james
If you would read the other threads too...you would know.

Posted by amirprog
@king-james
I'm starting to think you are trolling.

Alpha over Z3C:

1. slimmer & lighter -> better in hands = not really, no major difference as both are compact devices.
2. better display + gorilla glass = we know nothing about z3c display quality and glass and looking at z1c and z2 displays it should be one of the best. also this is personal preference. i prefer ips displays over amoled. gorilla glass is not better but sapphire glass is as far as i'm concerned.
3. (better camera) = we know nothing about z3c camera quality. same sensor doesn't say much as there are improvements that can be made in software and a new version of the same sensor (as rumored).
4. removable battery = i couldn't care less for removable battery. with sony's latest devices topping battery charts nobody should really care about that.

and that's even before z3c is announced. we don't know all the features it will have.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2014-08-21 17:40 ]


Posted by king-james
Me trolling? No, I don't. I just spoke free. Forget it and let's wait for IFA.
[ This Message was edited by: king-james on 2014-08-21 19:35 ]


Posted by -XYZ
Given that there is no way of knowing whether the Alpha is better than the Z3c, particularly in the area of camera (given that it doesn't even run the GS5's isocell sensor), I'd say your comments exist only to bait a certain response. Not so much the contents of your opinion, but the way in which you presented them; which is pretty inflammatory, as if you're speaking some obvious truth. Hence why people consider it trolling.

The alpha is a good phone, and if you like it so much, go buy it. The Z3c isn't official yet so there is little point comparing hypothetical performance, so just sit and wait.

Posted by ascariss
One can argue all day and all night which is better or worse, etc etc. But there is no point.

Really looking forward to IFA this year, lots of new goodies coming and some surprises as well I feel.


Posted by Tsepz_GP
amirprog

And I agree with you, hence why I say the Alpha won't win when compared to the Compacts overall, its not meant to win as it isn't meant to compete with them.


On 2014-08-21 17:42:25, MartenR wrote:
@Tsepz_GP I find your discussions to be invalid. Here we are discussing which phone will provide the consumer with better experience. Here's a forum for smartphone enthusiasts not share-holders, execs etc. As fars as I know. For consumers not having micro-SD slot, water resistance and cheaper build all coupled with higher price is considered a disadvantage.

@king-james I guess dragontrail glass is better than gorilla glass and it remains to be seen if Sony finally addressed their camera software.



Did you read what I said clearly? What I'm saying is that the Alpha is not a match to the Z1C or Z3C, it is not meant to be a match, its clearly got a lot of compromise, and was meant for one thing only, be a direct Phone6 alternative, a consumer who wants a compact yet allround powerful and functional Android should get a Z1C or Z3C, someone who wants something like an iPhone but with Android should get a Alpha.

Posted by ascariss
Hey guys good news, finally know what this ILCE-QX1 thing was, which I posted last day, alpharumours finally spilled the beans on it.

http://www.sonyalpharumors.co[....]l-launch-a-new-ilce-qx-camera/

basically it is an e-mount for a smartphone

It’s basically a sensor and mount module that let’s you fit E-mount lenses on your smart phone or tablet!


Alpharumours states they don't know if a market for it exists, but for me this is perfect, since I have quite a few e-mount lenses and especially my prime lenses which would be nice to use and the 16mm pancake

Posted by -XYZ
A rather novel idea.
Totally random and ridiculous, but its certainly innovative. Might even take off as an insanely niche product.

Posted by rraz9228
If the price is right, I will buy one myself.

Posted by u2jewel
Good to see the innovative spirit from Sony.
It's one of the reasons why I support Sony by being a loyal customer, even if they don't offer the best value for money. Realistic or not, I'd like to see Sony continuing the challenge of innovation.
Not that u know who Korean manufacturers are bad or anything, they just don't invent or excite..

Having said that,...
ILCE-QX1 is a bit of a mystery to me.
Who would buy an e-mount lens just so that they could use this?
If you have an e-mount lens already, then I must assume you have the camera body already?

Or maybe I am misunderstanding?

Posted by Hilmawan

On 2014-08-22 03:59:36, rraz9228 wrote:
If the price is right, I will buy one myself.


I don't think so because it's gonna be pricey and featureless just like QX100 and QX10.

Posted by XperiaCute






[ This Message was edited by: XperiaCute on 2014-08-22 05:59 ]


Posted by XperiaCute
Here is some interesting fact about the device :

1- 180 degree camera (back-front)
2- it will feature some Swarovski jewelry or crystal
3- it has 3.3 inch OLED display
4- it has elegant charging stand
5- Dual LED flash swappable as well

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[ This Message was edited by: XperiaCute on 2014-08-22 06:14 ]


Posted by amirprog
@Tsepz_GP
The poin is, Alpha can be iphone 6 alternative only because of samsung marketing, worldwide availability, carrier support and also because there may be unconscious (some would say dum) people who doesn't know other smartphones exists aside of iphone and thinks that a device that looks like iphone is better which is quite sad if true. and this is also sony's fault. samsung is attempting to imitate some iphone characteristics and by that they try to pull some iphone owner to their side. i hope they will fail. i don't like that sneaky strategy. i like full blown device that tries to be unique and be a compact flag and don't try to be iphone imitation. iphone owners who squints to android side should think twice and appreciate better sony's compacts with more complete package, flag characteristics, and originality then alpha even though they are used to apple feeding them with limited features.


Posted by itsjustJOH
Any Chinese here who can translate the specs of this selfie camera? Does it say anything about the new curved sensor?

DSC-KW1 / WC (White)

Posted by ascariss
nothing in the press release here

http://www.sony-asia.com/corp[....]Cyber-shotDSC-KW11fromSony.pdf

But maybe more information on other sites. Screen resolution is 854 × 480, probably this screen.
http://www.sony-asia.com/micr[....]d-size-type-3-3wide-type-oled/

I am curious what sensor it is though, since at 19.2 MP, it is a new sensor it seems and not the current one from the Z2.

Posted by rraz9228

On 2014-08-22 05:51:49, Hilmawan wrote:

On 2014-08-22 03:59:36, rraz9228 wrote:
If the price is right, I will buy one myself.


I don't think so because it's gonna be pricey and featureless just like QX100 and QX10.


I already have e mount lenses so I am only buying the unit. Unlike the QX100 & QX10 the lenses are built in so you pay for both. But we'll see how the actual product actually works. My assumption is, it will be cheaper than the a5100 just like the QX100 is cheaper than the RX100.
[ This Message was edited by: rraz9228 on 2014-08-22 10:30 ]


Posted by MartenR
Does anybody know if the OLED display made in house or by a third party manufacturer?

Posted by ascariss

On 2014-08-22 05:51:49, Hilmawan wrote:

On 2014-08-22 03:59:36, rraz9228 wrote:
If the price is right, I will buy one myself.


I don't think so because it's gonna be pricey and featureless just like QX100 and QX10.


At this moment no one knows any details or no one is leaking anything yet. As for price, unknown at this moment.

QX10 here in poland it not that expensive, online retailer has it for 490pln or 117 euros, qx100 is around 330 euros, although it seems some sites are not restocking it.

For me it all depends on the price of the QX1, the type of sensor, APS-C or 1 inch and if it will be the newer sensor with hybird-AF. If it is not up to par, I will get the Alpha 6000 body to replace my nex5n this fall.

Posted by motvikt
Why the hell is Sony still making crap like that selfie cam? Seriously, who will buy that?

Posted by amirprog
@motvikt
They seem to make this device and the herd of mid range xperias almost exclusively for asia. i guess sony is selling good in some asian countries.

Posted by ascariss

On 2014-08-22 12:23:27, motvikt wrote:
Why the hell is Sony still making crap like that selfie cam? Seriously, who will buy that?


Oh there is a market it seems, just watch this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db1K4qeS5NM

http://nullmag.com/1300-selfie-camera-casio-tr35/

$1300 US! The KW1 is aiming directly at this casio.

Also some information about the state of android and where Sony sits.

http://www.gsmarena.com/opens[....]id_fragmentation-news-9428.php

http://opensignal.com/reports/2014/android-fragmentation/

In the first fragmentation graphic Samsung had made 12 of the 13 most popular devices – showing why they have a 43% share of the market. This is actually a slight reduction since the last report – which showed Samsung having a 47.5% market share. Sony rank second with a 4.8% market share, showing quite how large the gap is between Samsung and second place.

[ This Message was edited by: ascariss on 2014-08-22 12:06 ]


Posted by Ricky D
There is a certain crowd of Chinese girls who will eat this shit up. Mistresses of rich guys will get this as a small gift (most of those plastic 'pretty' girls you see as bait on dating sites are in this group).

No curved sensor in the spec in Chinese.

Posted by stook
@king-james
Z3C has very bright screen. Compared to the old compact the daylight (in the sun) visibility is much better

Posted by rraz9228

On 2014-08-22 12:13:17, ascariss wrote:

For me it all depends on the price of the QX1, the type of sensor, APS-C or 1 inch and if it will be the newer sensor with hybird-AF. If it is not up to par, I will get the Alpha 6000 body to replace my nex5n this fall.


Same here. If this has the same sensor as the A6000/A5100 and the price is below the A5100(body only), I will definitely consider it. And defer my replacement purchase of my NEX-5R.
[ This Message was edited by: rraz9228 on 2014-08-22 15:58 ]


Posted by -XYZ

On 2014-08-22 15:05:38, stook wrote:
@king-james
Z3C has very bright screen. Compared to the old compact the daylight (in the sun) visibility is much better

Wow.

My Z1 compact has a pretty bloody bright screen. Even set on minimum brightness, the auto-brightness sensor always pushes it up to something viewable and max brightness is even better than that...
If its brighter than 500-600 nits, then that's impressive.

Posted by tai020381
Its using curved sensor alright.

https://translate.google.com/[....]3441%2F1%2F&edit-text=&act=url

Posted by ascariss
I am still wondering, if it is using the curved sensor, why hasn't Sony released a press release about it or mentioned it in the KW1 press release (english one at least), maybe it is mentioned in another chinese press release.

Unless Sony is waiting until photokina to officially show off the curved sensor.

Posted by Ebato

On 2014-08-22 21:54:05, ascariss wrote:
I am still wondering, if it is using the curved sensor, why hasn't Sony released a press release about it or mentioned it in the KW1 press release (english one at least)

They are just hopeless about anything they do, so it seems they just don't care anymore.


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