Posted by MNX1024
On 2014-08-14 20:37:56, Ebato wrote:
don't expect to see sharp models anywhere but in japan/asia. Impressive screen, but the the design is meh.
Well, looky looky.
http://www.phonearena.com/new[....]ing-to-Sprint-tomorrow_id59467
Joke aside, there's no official confirmation yet, but yeah.
Posted by XperiaJunkie
The phone looks ok just the fact it has no top bezel would make it hard to hold in landscape view while watching a video as part of your hand is likely to cover part of the display. It would of looked better if the bezel was equal at top and bottom giving it a more balanced look.
PS Are we likely to see the Z3 and Z3C use the new IPS-Neo display ? It went into mass production back in July.
Posted by cableguy
XPERIA Z3 TABLET COMPACT ACCIDENTALLY ANNOUNCED BY SONY
http://lowdown.carphonewareho[....]t-accidentally-announced-sony/
Posted by JohnnyNr.5
Specs of the Z3 Tablet Compact are kinda obvious: 8,9" 2560 × 1600 WQXGA Display, SD801, 3GB RAM, 16GB ROM, water and dust resistant, IR-Blaster and maybe a GSM-module to make phone calls with BRH10.
Posted by motvikt
On 2014-08-18 18:20:19, JohnnyNr.5 wrote:
Specs of the Z3 Tablet Compact are kinda obvious: 8,9" 2560 × 1600 WQXGA Display, SD801, 3GB RAM, 16GB ROM, water and dust resistant, IR-Blaster and maybe a GSM-module to make phone calls with BRH10.
Dunno I think 1080p is more likely
Posted by JohnnyNr.5
Since we're talking about premium 8"-9" tablets there should be a bump in display resolution. One of the top devices in that department is the Galaxy Tab Pro 8 which has a 2560 × 1600 WQXGA Display. So everything below that is not competitive.
Posted by Gitaroo
that depends on the scaling they allow, I still prefer my Z ultra over the LG G3. It can fit a row of 6 icons rather than 5 like the G3. I only got to play with the display unit for G3, dunno if it got a setting to allow more icons to fit on screen. Sony is taking some right steps for the past to get the specs for their phones (from Z ultra to Z2) to be competitive, but Z3 and this new mini tablet seems to fall short. Its a brand new device from Sony that is new in this class, its not like they are stuck with a stock pile of left over old panels like with Z to use for new devices, I don't see why they can't go 2560X1440, which is slowly becoming new standard whether people like it or now.
[ This Message was edited by: Gitaroo on 2014-08-18 18:37 ]
Posted by ascariss
Well both the tab S and tab pro have 1600 x 2560 resolution and the ipad mini at 1536 x 2048, so it would make some sense for the tab z3 compact to also have a higher resolution than fullHD. Xiaomi Mi Pad 7.9 has 1536 x 2048 pixels. HTC nexus 9 will also have a hi res screen, but then a lot the LGs, Asus and Acers, all sport at least fullHD, but nothing higher, so who knows which route Sony will go.
I wouldn't mind the higher res screen but not at the sacrifice of battery life. Knowing Sony, they will try to make it as thin as they can so the only place to save space is the battery, make it smaller, if they do, then I would prefer a normal fullHD screen.
Posted by Felimenta97
I am the only one who just can't ignore the 16 Gb internal memory? It seems like such a waste for me. Make it 32 and 64 Gb models, dammit.
Posted by -XYZ
Hahaha
Xaomi products are such shameless Apple rip-offs....
Z3 Tablet compact sounds pretty good. Might get one if the price is right....
Posted by king-james
On 2014-08-18 21:40:54, Felimenta97 wrote:
I am the only one who just can't ignore the 16 Gb internal memory? ....
No Feli, I feel you absolutely! It's more than time to twice the the memory. 16GB is not more standard for now. Everything is growing... Pics and clips in higher resolution, you need automatic more memory... Even 32GB are too little for flagship devices. When I remember the last 32GB model was the XS, it's a shame! It's over 2 years ago. Hope 32/64GB will be standard very soon... Z3/Z3C should get at least 32GB!
[ This Message was edited by: king-james on 2014-08-19 00:48 ]
Posted by Felimenta97
@king-james
First, you (and anyone else) cam call me Felipe, which is my real name
Not only that system itself is getting bigger, apps are also (more and more resolutions to support). ART makes every app bigger, as it pre compiles everything.
I also think that the software needs a lot of work. I'm curious on what Sony will do with Android L and Material Design. They will either ruin it, or make it pretty awesome. Talking about Android L, I'm wondering why they didn't said a single word about it. I mean, something like X, Y and Z devices will get it. A, B and C devices will not. That's good for now.
In the other hand, HTC gave a word on it not even a week after it was announced, and even promised the update for up to 90 days after it is released. That includes the HTC One (M7), last year's flagship, which was released with... Xperia Z (which, coupled with his brothers ZL, ZR and Tablet Z), will probably not see the update.
[ This Message was edited by: Felimenta97 on 2014-08-19 01:46 ]
Posted by milukugiuniu
AFAIK，the Z3 tablet C might have 1920*1200 resolution screen. The battery capacity might be 5000 MA.
Posted by Xajel
Totally agree with the 16GB part...
I believe Sony should have moved to 32GB for flagships in 2013... and by 2015 they should have an option for 32GB and 64GB options.. the problem is Sony never did a multi-size option for there phones...
I don't think this year's flagship ( the Z3, Z3 compact and the Z3 tablet compact ) will have 32GB...
But, if Sony will not have 32GB for Z4 then they're absolutely crazy !! at least as an option... It will be hard for me to have any phone now with 16GB internal... I'll look at the second option for this which will be HTC...
Posted by amirprog
^ Yes, but i'd say sapphire glass should be even in higher priority or in no less priority, say goodbye to none drop scratches like your pocket keys or dust, or whatever scratching the display if you put them in the same pocket by mistake for example, this latest pocketnow video shows a test - How To Scratch a Sapphire Smartphone Screen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTpFTifoMks impressive
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2014-08-19 08:43 ]
Posted by ascariss
It may scratch less but it seems a fall will not safe it completely. If the trend next year is to move to sapphire displays, then I sincerely hope Sony follows this trend.
Posted by mobisekim
Xperia M2 Aqua
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3Kc4jiFEtI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY432lk0Aj4
[ This Message was edited by: mobisekim on 2014-08-19 09:19 ]
Posted by Xajel
Sapphire glass is interesting for sure, specially that Sony is using a glass and metal designs
sadly the metal is not as hard to scratch compared to sapphire glass.. the next step should be this one: hardening the metal frame.
Before Z2 I was hoping Sony will increase the thickness in order to have larger battery, but Z2 proves that longer battery life can be done with such thin profile and I'm sure Sony can make it better with more optimisation with time..
Posted by XperiaJunkie
So the M2 Aqua is IP68 certified so its pretty much a dead cert that we will see this in the Z3 and Z3C given the info a few days back about the phones having a higher IP rating.
Posted by McKinley
I would love to see a Z3c in the same colour scheme as the Sony Ericsson T610i blue.
The Samsung Galaxy Alpha looks good in blue.
Posted by Tsepz_GP
Looks like we are going to have to learn to love the Snapdragon 805, as Snapdragon 810 and 808 will only be seen in phones in the 2nd half of next year:
Leaked roadmap shows Qualcomm could bring out its 64-bit processors by this year's end
PhoneArena
So I guess we will still be seeing flagships rocking the 801 and 805 at CES and MWC? Wish Texas Instruments were still in the mobile SoC game, it seems as though Qualcomm have stalled a bit.
Are Sony still not going to use the 805 in the Z4? As in that case what will they use?
Posted by XperiaJunkie
Just found this case by Baseus for the Z3 it shows the 2 cut outs for the front facing speakers and also doubles up as a media stand.
[ This Message was edited by: XperiaJunkie on 2014-08-19 13:24 ]
Posted by ascariss
On 2014-08-19 14:08:26, Tsepz_GP wrote:
Looks like we are going to have to learn to love the Snapdragon 805, as Snapdragon 810 and 808 will only be seen in phones in the 2nd half of next year:
Leaked roadmap shows Qualcomm could bring out its 64-bit processors by this year's end
PhoneArena
So I guess we will still be seeing flagships rocking the 801 and 805 at CES and MWC? Wish Texas Instruments were still in the mobile SoC game, it seems as though Qualcomm have stalled a bit.
Are Sony still not going to use the 805 in the Z4? As in that case what will they use?
Either phonearena is wrong or I read the image wrong, but it seems that the 810 (8894) will be coming at the end of the 1st quarter, start of 2nd quarter, so march timeframe. No way would qualcomm release the chip so late, so as in products would arrive in 2nd half of 2015. This would be suicide.
Posted by amirprog
@Tsepz_GP
Nobody knows anything about it. phonearena said their own opinion. nothing is confirmed but actually one could say the opposite because 810 is already being tested, it appears on qualcomm's site for some time now, 805 doesn't have a modem, 801 will be a one year old chip, the roadmap itself shows 810 in first half and nothing in it says "only available to manufacturers", they are already late in competing with other chip manufacturers.
Posted by Tsepz_GP
Oh okay, 2nd Quarter makes more sense, I was beginning to think that CES and MWC were going to be rather boring with only the Snapdragon 805.
So I guess at MWC we will see a few S810 phones.
Posted by u2jewel
Nodar is MIA...
Posted by -XYZ
Qualcomm need to sort their shit out.
Posted by XperiaCute
I think this is the most frustrating year for Sony among all, I just can't believe they deny Android Ware, selling VAIO computer business and re-announcing Xperia Z2 again as Xperia Z3 f**k f**k f**k f**k SONY , damn it I am so Fuccking disappointed
[ This Message was edited by: XperiaCute on 2014-08-19 22:05 ]
Posted by nodarsixar
On 2014-08-19 16:16:30, u2jewel wrote:
Nodar is MIA...
what? I am not MIA
Posted by -XYZ
Half of it is Qualcomm's fault for not having a proper roadmap for future silicon.
SD805 isn't good enough, and frankly neither is SD810, but they're the only viable Soc vendor.
As for Vaio, the PC/notebook space has become too low margin and they don't offer a mac like solution so it's best to quit before it destroys the company.
Posted by cu015170
On 2014-08-19 18:32:44, -XYZ wrote:
SD805 isn't good enough, and frankly neither is SD810, but they're the only viable Soc vendor.
Not good enough for what ?
Posted by McKinley
I want to see Intel inside in Z3 Ultra if that ever will exist. Both nVidia and Intel will will surpass Qualcomm in terms of speed. As a matter of fact, they already have. Once Intel gets its 14nm node out by 1h 2015, they will leap too far ahead its competitors. Qualcomm won't have something similar until a whole year after if not more. Samsung will soon most likely ditch Qualcomm completely and they are way behind Intel in node development as well.
[ This Message was edited by: McKinley on 2014-08-19 22:14 ]
Posted by -XYZ
On 2014-08-19 20:04:53, cu015170 wrote:
On 2014-08-19 18:32:44, -XYZ wrote:
SD805 isn't good enough, and frankly neither is SD810, but they're the only viable Soc vendor.
Not good enough for what ?
SD805 lacks an integrated LTE modem, which is poor for power efficiency. Performance boost isn't worth the trade-off in terms of battery life. At least, in my opinion.
SD810 is just vanilla 64-bit ARM cores in a BIG.little configuration. Qualcomm haven't developed their next generation CPU cores based off of ARMv8 yet, which is a huge disappointment. Particularly because Apple was able to outpace them in this respect, despite entering the silicon design space since 2011-2 with the iPhone 5.
[ This Message was edited by: -XYZ on 2014-08-20 00:42 ]
Posted by Wintermute
Those "plain vanilla" 64-bit ARM cores (the A57) are actually pretty good. They're 20-50% faster than A15 (which is itself faster than Krait) at 25% less power draw. That's pretty good. Especially if Android L is more multi-thread-friendly (which appears possible), the value of super-fast cores will drop slightly, and having multiple cores will yield better performance. This is not even taking into account the brand new GPU which is about 70% faster than the current Adreno 330 at the same power draw, or the fact that it finally supports h.265 encode.
By the way, there is no trade-off in battery life with the 805. Look at reviews of the Galaxy S5 LTE-A. Battery life is virtually identical with the standard model.
[ This Message was edited by: Wintermute on 2014-08-20 04:37 ]
Posted by vivftp
Looks like that leaked cybershot from a few days ago is getting more attention ahead of the announcement
http://blog.gsmarena.com/sony[....]g-dedicated-selfie-camera-way/
Posted by Wishmaster89
According to SonyAlphaRumors it supposedly uses 19 mpix 1/2.3" curved sensor maybe Sony will put the same sensor on Z3 and this will be it's USP
Here is the link to SAR post http://www.sonyalpharumors.co[....]-used-by-the-sony-kw1-compact/
[ This Message was edited by: Wishmaster89 on 2014-08-20 07:28 ]
Posted by Tizzo
@Wishmaster89
What's USP?
Cheers
Posted by goldenface
USP = Unique Selling Point i.e. what differentiates it from competitors.
Posted by ascariss
I doubt the curved sensor will appear in the Z3, would be nice if it did but the Z3 feels like a minor evolution, only exterior design changes while the internals remain the same.
Another device is coming in a form of a interchangeable lens camera btw, model is ILCE-QX1 and ILCE-QW1L. It appeared here first
http://novocert.ru/Documents/Document.aspx?Id=3752403
It is a certification website for russia it seems. sonyalpharumours tweeted a while ago about some new E mount camera that was unique/weird, so whatever it is, it probably is this ILCE-QX1.
Posted by smclion102
Leaked Qualcomm roadmap gives us a closer look at their 64-bit plans
Snapdragon 610 & 615 processors could start showing up as early as Q1-Q2 2015. The more powerful Snapdragon 808 and 810 could appear in products from the second half of 2015. This is how it played out when the Snapdragon 600 and Snapdragon 800 succeeded the good ol' Snapdragon S4 Pro back in 2013.
[ This Message was edited by: smclion102 on 2014-08-20 09:58 ]
Posted by JohnnyNr.5
@smclion was already posted yesterday by Tsepz_GP
And according to the roadmap production of Sd810 should start sometime between Q4-2014/ Q1-2015. H1 is more likely the point to see 810 devices hitting the shelves.
[ This Message was edited by: JohnnyNr.5 on 2014-08-20 10:11 ]
Posted by xperiazultra
I believe that Sony will release the so-called Z3X and a successor to the Z Ultra at the MWC. Those 2 will include SD810 and better cameras. Sony is a fool if they ignore the Z ultra (phablet category). So imho first half maybe april of 2015 is the best time.
Posted by Gitaroo
the Z3X rumor specs sounded too good to be true, but I think sony opening up plans for trimaster OLED for mass production is teling us something. Also with the curve sensors being ready for mass production. I guess those will debut on a xperia device at some point.S810 readiness by Q1 next year is the biggest question. If its only become available in Q1, that doesn't give it a lot of time for mass production for a Q1 device. Unless Z3X get pushed back to Q2 or Q3, which they will loose lots of ground to Samsung and others already.
Posted by king-james
WTF is this? C3 Ultra?
19.2MP shooter, with a 1/2.3 inch Exmor RS sensor
http://www.phonearena.com/new[....]atures-rotating-camera_id59567
[ This Message was edited by: king-james on 2014-08-20 18:25 ]
Posted by -XYZ
On 2014-08-20 19:22:11, king-james wrote:
WTF is this? C3 Ultra?
19.2MP shooter, with a 1/2.3 inch Exmor RS sensor
http://www.phonearena.com/new[....]atures-rotating-camera_id59567
[ This Message was edited by: king-james on 2014-08-20 18:25 ]
An unrelated compact camera
Posted by xperiazultra
Nonetheless Z ultra is something that cannot be discontinued. They just need to market it better maybe business class. I really am disappointed. I mean everyone around thinks the same way. Looking at the sales numbers of a first gen handset with little marketing is silly. Comon Sony. Put the curved lenses on Z4 and make a z ultra with Z3 camera. Start teasing it so people will wait and not buy note 4. And launch it as soon as possible. I just can't see why they launch so many mid range phones. They are just so many.
Posted by FMW300
They didn't launch too many mid-rangers IMO. Only M2, C3, T3, E1, T2 ultra this year? Nothing on the small side (E1 is for kids). I still think they need to launch more affordable handsets to appeal to more people. Lots of people just want a droid with a decent camera and facebook/whatsapp. Not everyone wants to shell out big bucks on expensive phones. I believe Sony had an excellent lineup last year, their short sales i think was mainly due to lack of marketing. In my country, Trinidad & Tobago, Samsung is EVERYWHERE; everyone and their grandma has a Samsung! Sony is not as popular as it is not marketed by our carriers much; it's mostly Samsung in the press, on tv, on billboards etc. I think with a lot more marketing effort, together with a harder push towards carriers picking up their phones & a wide handset range, plus reasonable prices, Sony will start to make more of a difference in the smartphone arena and sales will take off.
Posted by Felimenta97
I still think they launched too many handsets. 2011 was pretty good, actually. The perfect number of devices.
As someone here mentioned (can't remember who, neither when), they should have the following:
Z line: Flagship, Ultra, Compact, Tablet, Tablet Compact (high end, same specs, just differences in camera, resolution, and sizes/batteries)
S line: Ultra and "normal" size. (Mid range, with Dual Models for each).
E line: Small and "normal" size. (Low end, also Dual models for each).
9 devices. Make all of them follow the same numbers (For example, for 2015, all models are x4).
Also, one of Sony's problems is price. Here in Brazil, the Moto G 4G costs R$ 799,00. It's competitor, Xperia M2, you can find for around the same price. Fair enough, but when you look down at its specs, except for the cameras, the Moto G is a better device for value.
But, well, it's all my opinion.
Posted by Tizzo
@Felimenta97
I totally agree with that outline...... Easy to understand and differentiate between devices.
Now if only SONY would implement a stratergy like that.
Posted by xperiazultra
I am shocked. Can't Sony people see this? I mean just look at the iPhone.ıf you focus your energy into a single product then its a massive hit whether it deserves it or not. Less number of phones means more attention to the products. But seriously discontinuing ultra line? Why release Z2 if you could have made Z3? What has changed in 6 months? Big tech leap? I am starting to think Stephen Elop got a job at Sony mobile division or something.