Posted by MNX1024
^^^ That's exactly what I hope SONY would do, adopt the new standard.
Posted by itsjustJOH
Well, this is just Z2, like Z2 was like Z1.
Posted by Gitaroo
z3 looks like a throw away release to just have something in the market to sell. Only thing they need is to make it widely available and come out fast. No other companies can stand against i6 anyway, why waste all the effort to pimp out the specs. Save it for next round when its android vs android again (usually Q1).
Posted by amirprog
@qqqw
Yes, i meant premium material, and yes, i'm in your boat.
@Xajel
that port was on my wishlist for z2... what could be the reason manufacturers are slow in adopting it?
@Gitaroo
z2 is what z1 should have been and z3 is z2 perfected. z4 will will be the next substantial upgrade so for the smartphone fanatics: only z>z2>z4 are worth to jump to, hehe. now of course anyone who needs a new phone asap should go for z3 since its right around the corner but otherwise, waiting till z4 is better.
Posted by itsjustJOH
It's like a Chinese phone with Sony's name on it.
On 2014-08-12 17:51:45, Gitaroo wrote:
z3 looks like a throw away release to just have something in the market to sell. Only thing they need is to make it widely available and come out fast. No other companies can stand against i6 anyway, why waste all the effort to pimp out the specs. Save it for next round when its android vs android again (usually Q1).
Now I'm hoping for Note 4 to be very good just to rival iP6 until the real deal 64-bit droids come out in 2015. And if there's anything that Sony can give us something new with the Z3 with the same specs, it should be in their software though we haven't heard of anything new for it.
Posted by Xajel
On 2014-08-12 15:29:55, MNX1024 wrote:
^^^ That's exactly what I hope SONY would do, adopt the new standard.
Now it's becomes closer
On 2014-08-12 19:22:11, amirprog wrote:
@Xajel
that port was on my wishlist for z2... what could be the reason manufacturers are slow in adopting it?
They just finished the spec. !! and they just announced that is ready for production.. so only now manufacturers can adopt it... but we will wait few months to see first devices with it...
Posted by amirprog
@Xajel
Didn't realize that. 2015 will be interesting year for sure unlike 2014 which is a transition year into better tech.
Posted by DexterMoser
So is it safe to say that the Z4 (or let's just call it the device after the Z3) will have the Type C USB connector?
I would be looking forward to it!
Posted by hihihans
Would that be possible, considering a Euro-law that that wants the same type of connection on every phone?
Posted by cu015170
On 2014-08-12 23:22:26, hihihans wrote:
Would that be possible, considering a Euro-law that that wants the same type of connection on every phone?
How does apple get away with proprietary connector within the EU ?
Posted by cu015170
On 2014-08-12 01:10:58, DexterMoser wrote:
On 2014-08-12 00:16:11, cu015170 wrote:
What's Alpha ?
The Galaxy S5 Mini Prime xD
Ah, thanks! It will be interesting to see how it compares against the LGs in terms of screen to bezel ratio
Posted by Hilmawan
@cu015170
The LGs screen ratio is still better than the Alpha, because the Alpha bezels is 133 mm tall and 67 mm wide and for comparison the 4.7" LG G2 Mini bezels is 129.6 x 66 mm.
http://www.techtimes.com/arti[....]e-fcc-ahead-of-its-release.htm
Posted by Xajel
We are not sure wether Z4 will have it or not, it's just a speculation as the spec. is designed to be a standard mobile devices and Sony tends to have these standards
On 2014-08-13 00:58:47, cu015170 wrote:
On 2014-08-12 23:22:26, hihihans wrote:
Would that be possible, considering a Euro-law that that wants the same type of connection on every phone?
How does apple get away with proprietary connector within the EU ?
The Euro Law gives an option to include an adapter as well, Apple in Europe bundles an adapter to allow the phone to be charged using microUSB...
Posted by XperiaJunkie
The Z3 Compact has just passed through the fcc confirming the 4.6“ display http://www.xperiablog.net/201[....]onfirms-4-6-inch-display-size/
While this only confirms what we already knew my biggest question about the device is, what will it's standout feature be. Possibly wireless charging, maybe Sony have finally found a way to include the S-master digital amp, high speed data transfer using TransferJet? It must have something just like the Z2 had DNC over the Z1 which was a world first in a mobile device.
Does anyone have any idea what it will be for the Z3 and Z3C I'm very curious to know.
[ This Message was edited by: XperiaJunkie on 2014-08-13 09:27 ]
Posted by huiyi
Z3C battery is 2660MA-2800MA! ! Double-sided glass more scratch, waterproof rating better! Z3 battery is a new development! ! Sony Exclusive!Z3 BATTERY 3200MA！
Posted by king-james
The Alpha is a very interesting device and a real competitor next to the Z3C.
Amazing dimensions & weight: 132.4 x 65.5 x 6.7 mm - only 115 g !!!
50k+ What a beast!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch[....]detailpage&v=kOHdvHhsK-Q#t=110
[ This Message was edited by: king-james on 2014-08-13 15:14 ]
Posted by XperiaJunkie
Seems a bit fishy if you ask me in the review https://translate.google.com/[....]FSamsung_GALAXY_Alpha-rev.html is
is manages 37k on Antutu still very impressive but nowhere near 50k
Posted by Tizzo
On the upcoming IFA 2014, Sony will bring new smart watch Smart Watch 3, currently get the message are:
1, this watch will follow SW2 square design, also uses transflective screen, but will significantly improve Screen resolution;
2, SW3 SW2 will use completely different interface, the system is also independent of the phone , it will have a WiFi module, so without connecting the phone can also be a direct link to download the application;
3, SW3 will support wireless charge, continue high-level waterproof and dustproof design. So in the end section SW3 is what kind of products? 20 days after the outcome.
http://www.digi-wo.com/forum.[....]iewthread&tid=20997&mobile=yes
Posted by AbhiD999
On 2014-08-13 16:11:21, king-james wrote:
The Alpha is a very interesting device and a real competitor next to the Z3C.
Amazing dimensions & weight: 132.4 x 65.5 x 6.7 mm - only 115 g !!!
50k+ What a beast!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch[....]detailpage&v=kOHdvHhsK-Q#t=110
[ This Message was edited by: king-james on 2014-08-13 15:14 ]
Really ?
Z3c over Alpha
20 mpx camera vs 12 mpx camera
2600 mAh - 2800 mAh battery vs a measly 1860 mAh (
)
Waterproof, dustproof vs nil
Expandable memory vs nil
Much More Compact than alpha
More RAM (3gb vs 2 gb)
Dual stereo speakers vs Single
Alpha over Z3c
Better Processor
PS - Those benchmarks are pretty much fake as has been pointed out earlier here !
[ This Message was edited by: AbhiD999 on 2014-08-13 16:47 ]
Posted by cu015170
On 2014-08-13 16:11:21, king-james wrote:
Amazing dimensions & weight: 132.4 x 65.5 x 6.7 mm - only 115 g !!!
Indeed.. I am impressed as well. So far these two: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=6573&idPhone2=6077
are leading the way when it comes to size for me. I don't think the iPhone 6 could compete to be honest.. it will be much taller : (
Sony will probably get very close with the compact..
The only thing that worries me is heat management.. there isn't much room in there to cool the chips off, but I am sure they've done their testing.
On 2014-08-13 17:41:07, AbhiD999 wrote:
20 mpx camera vs 12 mpx camera
This means nothing.
[ This Message was edited by: cu015170 on 2014-08-13 16:48 ]
Posted by AbhiD999
On 2014-08-13 17:46:52, cu015170 wrote:
On 2014-08-13 16:11:21, king-james wrote:
Amazing dimensions & weight: 132.4 x 65.5 x 6.7 mm - only 115 g !!!
Indeed.. I am impressed as well. So far these two: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=6573&idPhone2=6077
are leading the way when it comes to size for me. I don't think the iPhone 6 could compete to be honest.. it will be much taller : (
Sony will probably get very close with the compact..
The only thing that worries me is heat management.. there isn't much room in there to cool the chips off, but I am sure they've done their testing.
On 2014-08-13 17:41:07, AbhiD999 wrote:
20 mpx camera vs 12 mpx camera
This means nothing.
[ This Message was edited by: cu015170 on 2014-08-13 16:48 ]
For me it means
Posted by king-james
@Abhi
We'll see which one sells better...
The HW differences are clear... but that's not all.
The Alpha is the first device which come very close to the iPhone.
I'm very excited. Samsung made the first step. Sony and compact is not compact! It's to thick and bulky. I prefer a bit longer and thinner...
Still dreaming of a Z Ultra mini edition.
[ This Message was edited by: king-james on 2014-08-13 16:57 ]
Posted by supercoolman
On 2014-08-13 16:11:21, king-james wrote:
The Alpha is a very interesting device and a real competitor next to the Z3C.
Amazing dimensions & weight: 132.4 x 65.5 x 6.7 mm - only 115 g !!!
50k+ What a beast!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch[....]detailpage&v=kOHdvHhsK-Q#t=110
[ This Message was edited by: king-james on 2014-08-13 15:14 ]
the usual samsung overclocking overloaded this one?
Posted by Xajel
Regarding the alpha
I will never ever buy a phone with Exynos SoC again, and there's a 95% chance that I will never buy a Samsung again
Design is indeed better than all other Samsung phones, but hell we already have much better designs by Sony and even HTC long time ago !!
Posted by AbhiD999
@king-james
I hope Galaxy Alpha manages to cross even 5-6 hrs on that paltry 1860 mAh battery (serious side effect of anaroxeic body) and such a heavy battery sucking Exynos processor.
Good luck on that
Posted by kurtdean
On 2014-08-13 16:11:21, king-james wrote:
The Alpha is a very interesting device and a real competitor next to the Z3C.
Amazing dimensions & weight: 132.4 x 65.5 x 6.7 mm - only 115 g !!!
50k+ What a beast!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch[....]detailpage&v=kOHdvHhsK-Q#t=110
[ This Message was edited by: king-james on 2014-08-13 15:14 ]
The thinness doesn't mean a thing. The battery capacity is shit compared to Z3c
Posted by XperiaJunkie
A phone being to thin and light to me anyway makes the device seem fragile I prefer my phone to have a bit of weight to it personally I feel it adds to the quality feel of a phone and the thickness as long as it isn't to thick is more than acceptable if it means other features won't be compromised.
Posted by Ebato
why are they using those cutouts on top like on iphone, if the back is not metal, can't they just place antennas there?
Posted by amirprog
Now it's pretty much clear, objectively in general, z3c>rest. aside of that there is personal preference.
there is nothing in alpha that would make me choose it over z3c. i would not choose a phone just because its slimmer and i don't like heart rate and fingerprint scanner silly gimmicks. generally there is no better compact flag then z3c in android world it seems. actually z1c is still z3c toughest rival. sony is just about to outdo themselves.
Posted by cu015170
On 2014-08-13 17:53:57, king-james wrote:
The Alpha is the first device which come very close to the iPhone.
No kidding..
Posted by Detox
On 2014-08-13 18:56:44, amirprog wrote:
actually z1c is still z3c toughest rival. sony is just about to outdo themselves.
This
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Posted by ascariss
Any advantages the z3c will have over the samsung alpha spec wise will mean nothing when you factor in samsung's marketing budget.
Ha wonder if apple will sue samsung for trying to copy another design.
[ This Message was edited by: ascariss on 2014-08-13 19:51 ]
Posted by Tsepz_GP
at the Z3C vs Alpha comparisons, I doubt Samsung are even concerned about Sony and it's products, they have much bigger problems like the Chinese juggernauts and Apple, you know, companies that are mostly in the top 5 in terms of smartphone units sold?
The Alpha is a phone meant to offer a direct alternative to the iPhone 6 16GB, looking at the pricing and how Apple generally price their iPhones, also looking at the fact that the Alpha has no MicroSD slot, smaller battery for a slimmer profile, and no IP certification, Samsung are trying to take a great opportunity and directly challenge the upcoming iPhone.
The Z3C will have no real competitor, much like the Z1C, the other OEMS seem to have looked at it and not taken it seriously. Are there any sales numbers on the Z1C?
It would be interesting as could explain why other manufacturers who have plenty of resources haven't even bothered to make a Z1C competitor.
[ This Message was edited by: Tsepz_GP on 2014-08-13 19:58 ]
Posted by maiaramdan
I want to declare some points and everyone free to agree or not
1) I feel that sony out from the 500 shield is a positive thing for them not a negative
2) regards the Xperia future lineup and with the Z3 both the regular and the compact dimensions I feel that generation by generation we are going towards 100% screen ratio
3) regards why SD801 in Z3 I think this question is already also answered and I do believe it's the perfect choice than using the SD805
4) regarding the Samsung alpha I know that Samsung pay on advertising and marketing more than they spend on the R&D but as amirprog said the real competitor to Z3 compact is the Z1 compact
5) it will be wise from Sony now to not stop manufacturing and selling of the Z1 compact and sell it with less prices as what apple did before I am sure they will sell millions if so
6) regarding the Z3 I really hope that it becomes reality because they really need it and also to save my credit
Posted by JohnnyNr.5
Sony SW3 rumored specs:
Smartwatch 3 will be announced at IFA
Same design language as SW2
Higher resolution transflective display
Wireless Charging (-> Maybe Z3 and Z3C will have this feature too?!)
Built-in Wi-Fi module (no need to be connected to a phone)
Dust and waterproof
Runs Sonys own OS with new UI
http://www.gforgames.com/gadg[....]rtwatch-3-rumored-specs-44787/
Posted by Felimenta97
Android Wear might not be at its prime time yet, but it is definitely better than other OSes. Side to side to other SmartWatches coming, I can see the SW3 being a huge flop compared to Moto 360.
Posted by Ebato
On 2014-08-13 23:11:57, JohnnyNr.5 wrote:
Sony SW3 rumored specs:
Runs Sonys own OS with new UI
All 5 people who will buy it would not notice
Posted by hihihans
Beforeme some fight starts here I deleted some posts.
It was not offending yet. Peace.
Posted by xenia
Preview at mobile - review
nothing special for very high price
Posted by lewko
Unless someone introduces something that can beat my Xperia ZL body to screen ratio, not interested.
I am a bit disappointed that Sony didnt pursue the ZL desgin a bit more.
Even the unanouced Z3C doesnt beat ZL.
I believe that if Sony would update "next ZL" to be little less thick and lighter... we would have the clear winner here.
Spec wise...
there is nothing the ZLs 4x1,5Ghz old chipset with A320 wouldnt handle....on 1080p screen.
I would love the manufacutures to stop chasing for power, and focus on efficiency.
that is where the true opportunity lies.
My girfriend has iphone 5c and with 1550mAh battery it has the same endurance as my 2370mAh battery equiped ZL.
From power perspective, i dont care one is quadcore, the other dual core... both handle perfectly well all we throw on them. (Ufo Xcom, Deus EX, daily full time online....etc.)
And that is the only thing the user cares about.
My feeling is that unfortunately the only company that understands this is Apple. I expect that the biggest innovation of the iphone6 will not be the bigger screen or processing power, but the true world requirements - unbreakable glass, superior battery life, supperior usability...
That is where all Android manufacturers are again unfortunately 1-2 steps behind...
Posted by Tsepz_GP
On 2014-08-14 10:18:32, lewko wrote:
Unless someone introduces something that can beat my Xperia ZL body to screen ratio, not interested.
Didn't the LG G2 and G3 do this already? I thought they had the best body to screen ratio.
Posted by lewko
Technically you are right, but both are in my view "too big"
G2 is 138,5mm height, ZL is only 131,5mm - sweet spot for me is up to 130mm
G3 even bigger.
I want my mobile phone to be still "mobile"...
Screens are 5.2 vs 5.0 - no real difference.
I think between 4.7-5.2 inch screen no real life usage difference.
Posted by amirprog
@hihihans
Sure, but notice you deleted a related line i wrote which was:
galaxy alpha seem like a sad attempt to take sales from iphone 6. i'm glad that sony is not trying to imitate iphone 6.
@maiaramdan
1) not familiar with the details
2) not 100% display to bezel ratio (you must have a place for sensors, calling speaker, etc.) = bezeless, but close to. small bezel has disadvantages. you can't have front firing speakers, it's less comfortable to hold the device, the phone will have to be fatter, etc. what is the most important in terms of actually using a phone is small side bezel. nobody should really care much for big top and bottom bezel in terms of usage = i don't have any prob with z3 design as long as they keep the side bezel slim.
3) people who need a new phone shouldn't base their decision on 805 vs 801. z3 should have its own unique package of features so ranting about no 805 is mostly valid for smartphone fanatics who upgrade their phone every half a year.
4) i can only agree about that.
5) interesting idea, but i think they just need to improve marketing, availability and carrier support and things will get better.
6) i have a feeling z3 won't suffer the same availability issues as z2 had.
Posted by hihihans
@amirprog, I did notice but Samsung is not relevant in a Xperia rumours thread
Posted by DexterMoser
On 2014-08-13 15:42:51, huiyi wrote:
Z3C battery is 2660MA-2800MA! ! Double-sided glass more scratch, waterproof rating better! Z3 battery is a new development! ! Sony Exclusive!Z3 BATTERY 3200MA！
More than 2600mAh would be insane good!
Double sided glass with more scratch sounds bad, but I think there's something lost in translation
Z2 already had 3200mAh?!
Posted by qqqw
On 2014-08-13 15:42:51, huiyi wrote:
...waterproof rating better!
I guess it is IP68.
Posted by XperiaJunkie
Have we had confirmation on the screen resolution of the Z3C yet some say 1080p some say 720p ? 1080p would be good for the spec sheet (compared to Alpha @ 720p and IP6 @ 960x1704) but would have negative effect on battery life.
@qqqw the first number if I'm correct is the dust rating and the second number is the water resistant/proof rating
the Z1C and Z2 are already IP58 rated
[ This Message was edited by: XperiaJunkie on 2014-08-14 13:36 ]
Posted by Ricky D
What huiyi meant by "more scratch, waterproof rating better!" is "better scratch and water resistance". Most likely a higher IP rating as pointed out already.
In Chinese 'scratch resistance' and 'water proofing' are very similar words only replacing the words scratch and water, they can also in Chinese be strung together like they can in English if you use 'scratch and water resistence'.
The double use of 'increased' synonyms ('more' and 'better') is an error thrown by an automated translation service or a ill-practised English speaker.
Both are common errors in Chinese-English translation.
Posted by Hilmawan
@DexterMoser
Maybe what he means is double-sided glass with more scratch resistant and i think "new development! ! Sony Exclusive battery" means new battery tech like their bio battery or something like that.
I think that is also the reason why Sony can put the same 3200 mAh battery inside a slimmer and more compact body.
@ qqqw
There is 2 possibility with "waterproof rating better"
IPX8 = Protected against water submersion and the depth is specified by manufacturer generally up to 3 m, but Sony only specified the Z2 for 1.5 m of fresh water up to 30 minutes.
So the first posibility is Sony will specified the Z3 for deeper water submersion, longer time or even salt water protection by using marine grade metal/coating.
The another possibility is IPX9K rating for protection against close-range high pressure, high temperature spray downs.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_Code
Posted by u2jewel
@Felimenta97
Regarding smart watch 3, we will have to see the official specs before condemnation.
I hear that Sony decided to use is own os, due to the fact that Android wear is too power hungry.
Combined with more efficient lighting system for the new screen, power savings should be considerable.
Being water resistant, better battery life compared to most other smart watches and ease of charging through wireless charge puts all necessary need in one package.
The 2 vital questions are, would it be affordable, and would the design be liked?
I am hoping it would boil down to these 2 factors... But knowing Sony, even if they had a killer of a product, restrictions in advertising will let it all down!