Posted by MartenR
Sony now third in Taiwan
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20131112PD207.html
Posted by aussiefella
On 2013-11-12 13:55:06, XperiaJunkie wrote:
anybody else constantly refreshing there browser like me to see if there is any more news.
yeah like only every few seconds.
hope it hapens soon cause i'm so tired
Posted by XperiaJunkie
c'mon Sony hurry up already lol i'm on my dinner break from work let us know something quick.
Posted by FMW300
On 2013-11-12 13:55:06, XperiaJunkie wrote:
anybody else constantly refreshing there browser like me to see if there is any more news.
More like every half an hour for me, I'm at work.
Are we sure a new handset is going to be announced today?
Posted by sami92a
so.. can anyone say whats happenin? Edit: nothing it seems..
[ This Message was edited by: sami92a on 2013-11-12 14:46 ]
Posted by -XYZ
I seriously doubt a new handset was going to be announced. It would have been mentioned at least once from a major tech news outlet.
Posted by profyler
gsm arena just posted that there was nothing about a new device in china event., but:
http://www.xperiablog.net/2013/11/12/xperia-z1s-model-number-expected-to-be-d5503-first-sample-image-leaks/
Posted by milukugiuniu
Sorry guys, no surprise on Sony Expo this evening. I was hoping for Z1 mini but there were only Z1 with various accessories. So I skiped to post pictures.
I must tell you that Vaio flip and tap 11 are very nice. They look very premium and have some interesting features.
I discussed with a couple of Sony staffs about 2014 flagship. Unfortunately, they were declined to answer even simple questions. Im afraid that we may not have the leaks as many as before because Sony had strengthened its secrecy policy.
Posted by HxH
Just out of luck to see new handset today.
(old rumors was mentioned about Z1mini, new MediaTek and little surprise)
Anyway, IF next flagship (Z2) mean to appear at CES.
The leak schedule about to start in latter of Nov and early of Dec, it once happen with S and Z years before.
Most likely from evidences in recent days is Z1mini (Z1s), keep eyes open wide guys.
[ This Message was edited by: HxH on 2013-11-12 16:25 ]
Posted by XperiaCute
I actually had expectation for new Xperia Tablet Z with Snapdragon 800, but SONY seams to avoid direct competition with The new iPad ..
Posted by XperiaCute
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[ This Message was edited by: XperiaCute on 2013-11-12 16:45 ]
Posted by Indiandawg
Hello Guys! It's been long I haven't been here around, hope you all doing good.
I've got just another sad news, my XZ is dead.
I wanted to ask you guys if there is a new phone coming soon by sony, like the successor of Z1 or any other flagship phone?
Posted by sami92a
On 2013-11-12 17:54:51, Indiandawg wrote:
Hello Guys! It's been long I haven't been here around, hope you all doing good.
I've got just another sad news, my XZ is dead.
I wanted to ask you guys if there is a new phone coming soon by sony, like the successor of Z1 or any other flagship phone?
Z1S
Posted by my ninja
@HxH thanks for the link
but my point is that the SoC is more powerful in addition to having HMP.. samsung is choosing not to put it phones, which is a different argument. before you tell me what to do it would be nice if you read what i wrote. i was making a statement about performance power of a SoC against another. The smaller devices get the less room there is for heat.. aNd 8 cores is a lot to deal with in
Posted by amirprog
@XperiaCute
seriously? come on, let's be realistic. they are not going to announce a new premium device (tablet z with a s800 is a new premium device) at a small show in china (!), and definitely not before CES. leave them something to announce at CES.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2013-11-12 17:42 ]
Posted by Supa_Fly
On 2013-11-12 13:22:32, XperiaJunkie wrote:
^ just read that before they are stating it wont be released before the new year which is a shame as I am looking at one for a Christmas present for my girlfriend she keeps using my Z1 reading e-books in the bath so it will be ideal for her.
Get her the Z1 Mini if available
(gift obstacle resolved)
Posted by karim128
@my ninja
In order stop going in circles, i'll will bring proof. Look at the iPhone 5 (not the 5s) review at Anandtech. When exploring Swift, Anand did a pretty good job comparing it with Krait and A15. Once you read all he had to say about Swift (4 or 5 pages IIRC), you'll understand how little A15 and Krait share in common (I know the last sentence sounded weird
). There are even diagrams comparing the architectures. In fact, most of the review was dedicated to A6 and (more importantly for us in this particular context) how it compares with the competition.
When I said don't compare smartphone and desktop, what i meant wasn't "don't compare their capabilities". I agree with you that smartphones are like little computers and in the future, their processing power will be enough to the mainstream, that is, anybody besides hard-core gamers (as opposed to casual, "facebook" gamers ) and professionals.
But what i meant is, it is normal that Intel is ahead when it comes to process nodes on the desktop, because new process nodes aren't at first optimized for low power platform (like smartphones/tablets) so the new process nodes always comes first to the desktop and then to the smartphones. So comparing Intel's 14nm with what smartphone makers have in store for next year is an unfair fight. What would be a fair competition, is comparing when Intel brings the 14nm Atom and when the other ARM manufacturers gets to there. I'll agree that Intel is still at an advantage, but not that much ahead, and judging by their last offerings, having better process nodes only offsets the disadvantages on x86 and their questionnable GPU's. It's a shame that they brought a smaller GPU than the competition despite that.
Posted by Indiandawg
On 2013-11-12 18:02:40, sami92a wrote:
On 2013-11-12 17:54:51, Indiandawg wrote:
Hello Guys! It's been long I haven't been here around, hope you all doing good.
I've got just another sad news, my XZ is dead.
I wanted to ask you guys if there is a new phone coming soon by sony, like the successor of Z1 or any other flagship phone?
Z1S
That won't be the flagship phone. I remember Randomuser talking about One Sony, is it still on under rumours? Also I've been reading about Z2.
Posted by Ricky D
'One Sony' is a business philosophy on product strategy rather than a single device.
Although, if push came to shove, the first device under the philosophy of 'One Sony' would be the Z1.
Going back to your original question, personally, if my Z broke down now I'd look at Z Ultra or wait until March when we should have a clearer picture of what's on the table for 2014.
[ This Message was edited by: Ricky D on 2013-11-13 01:44 ]
Posted by my ninja
On 2013-11-12 19:43:12, karim128 wrote:
@my ninja
In order stop going in circles, i'll will bring proof. Look at the iPhone 5 (not the 5s) review at Anandtech. When exploring Swift, Anand did a pretty good job comparing it with Krait and A15. Once you read all he had to say about Swift (4 or 5 pages IIRC), you'll understand how little A15 and Krait share in common (I know the last sentence sounded weird
). There are even diagrams comparing the architectures. In fact, most of the review was dedicated to A6 and (more importantly for us in this particular context) how it compares with the competition.
When I said don't compare smartphone and desktop, what i meant wasn't "don't compare their capabilities". I agree with you that smartphones are like little computers and in the future, their processing power will be enough to the mainstream, that is, anybody besides hard-core gamers (as opposed to casual, "facebook" gamers ) and professionals.
But what i meant is, it is normal that Intel is ahead when it comes to process nodes on the desktop, because new process nodes aren't at first optimized for low power platform (like smartphones/tablets) so the new process nodes always comes first to the desktop and then to the smartphones. So comparing Intel's 14nm with what smartphone makers have in store for next year is an unfair fight. What would be a fair competition, is comparing when Intel brings the 14nm Atom and when the other ARM manufacturers gets to there. I'll agree that Intel is still at an advantage, but not that much ahead, and judging by their last offerings, having better process nodes only offsets the disadvantages on x86 and their questionnable GPU's. It's a shame that they brought a smaller GPU than the competition despite that.
quickly, and ironically (for me at least wrt our public conversation) in that article shows that intel is planning on dropping a 14nm atom next year.. similarly i expect the Ex6 to be at 14nm however who knows if samsung will be able to shoehorn it into an actual device.. instead of merely production samples.
as for reading about swift, i did.. the whole article actually (if anyone is interested: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6330/the-iphone-5-review and its empirically different to the A9.. for the sake of esato (well this thread in particular) i will relent on the S800. (i still dont agree but we will put an end to this as its predominantly off topic)
i guess i am a fan of the newest/latest/greatest... i do hope that we can see a WQHD/Ex6(aka A53/57)/4GB/256GB device in 1H14 and my personal preference is that SONY be the one to drop that hammer... i doubt it.
referencing the Z1 and the quiet rumors of the Z2 i doubt that sony will implement or even have the desire to implement the latest and greatest HW.. i fear an incremental update the the Z1.. they (one sony) do not see the benefit of having the BEST in a singular device.
Audio - 24/192
Video - 4K recording .... shoot i would be thrilled for 120fps 1080p
Display - off angle coherency.. i wish they would begin to utilize JDI in a meaningful way (WQHD)
Storage - 16GB is from 1996.. a jump to 256 would be relevant for 1H14 but because of the other devices, i doubt they have incentive to do so.. again samsung has 128GB chips 2x would be $46 @ $23 per 128GB chip (to production costs..) but because the market only asks for 12GB (usable, theres no business incentive to up the storage, esp with the idea that SD cards can compliment internal storage) which is a joke, as the access speeds are wildly incomparable.
regardless of this one mans opinion, it was a good discussion, i am happy to share points of view anytime. thanks Karim, HxH, & even you XCute
Posted by Indiandawg
On 2013-11-13 02:34:33, Ricky D wrote:
'One Sony' is a business philosophy on product strategy rather than a single device.
Although, if push came to shove, the first device under the philosophy of 'One Sony' would be the Z1.
Going back to your original question, personally, if my Z broke down now I'd look at Z Ultra or wait until March when we should have a clearer picture of what's on the table for 2014.
[ This Message was edited by: Ricky D on 2013-11-13 01:44 ]
I did thought about Z Ultra but I felt Z1 has better specs and also Z Ultra is big enough for me. March announcement means April-May release. Little long. Let's see where I land up.
Thank you everyone for the help
Posted by HxH
@ninja
Thanks anyway, and I apologize if any harsh words slip out out my tongue.
For me, to describe true-octa is to use all 8 core online in same time, while Ex5 5420 is not it still 4x4 config even CCI fixed but not make a full use of it due to some problems as mention before.
I don't expect Hi-Fi audio and 4K for now, far off in reality perspective.
Audio files even best in business like iTunes still not offer that HQ, don't even think about 4K.
Only expect 32GB + MicroSD supported plus software know-how from Walkman and Alpha Nex team.
[ This Message was edited by: HxH on 2013-11-13 05:02 ]
Posted by Supa_Fly
On 2013-11-11 16:51:16, karim128 wrote:
The ARM reference is the A15, Krait falls below this reference point because of what reason? they designed their own chip, based on what ARM had at the time, their goal was to get a family of SoCs to market ASAP for mind.market share, this 'rush' paid off as they are assumed to be the only/best player for mobile SoCs. Again your comparison i dont think particularly suits this discussion.. could just be me however.
Gosh, please don't repeat the same arguments when i've already said they were wrong. There is no reference, everybody is free to either use A15 or desing their own core, and Krait is not based on an early A15, it is a pure Qualcomm design, from scratch, the only thing it shares with A15 is the instruction set, in other words they can execute the same programs.
For someone with 11 posts you sure do come across as a bit arrogant. Perception goes a LONG way in reading your post ... specifically what I've chosen above as not to loose context.
A15 is a reference design that is LICENSED, including the instruction set ... so NO nobody is "FREE to use it as they choose, you must license it". Krait is no exception if it can run the same instruction set and Qualcomm has LONG been on Arm Holdings, Inc's tender in this VERY regard.
You are correct that A15 is not entirely nor the core of the Krait chip design ... Qualcomm chose to license what it wanted, required, or just outright saw what was fit.
Again perception is the KEY when reading the section of the post you've read above ... yet nothing can go against the facts:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krait_(CPU)
Krait is an ARM-based central processing unit included in Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 and Snapdragon 400/600/800 (Krait 200, Krait 300 and Krait 400) System on chips. It was introduced in 2012 as a successor to the Scorpion CPU and has architectural similarities to ARM Cortex-A15.
^ So you're incorrect in stating " Krait is not based on an early A15, it is a pure Qualcomm design, from scratch .."
http://www.anandtech.com/show[....]-s4-msm8960-krait-architecture
Qualcomm has an ARM architecture license enabling it to build its own custom micro architectures that implement the ARM instruction set
^ However the next part of that sentence is ... " ... the only thing it shares with A15 is the instruction set, in other words they can execute the same programs."
You're mixing opinion with facts and this contrues your statement. You need to completely use the facts as such they are... not mix and match. It almost seems I'm doing so with splitting your sentence above yet there is no other way to clarify you're mixing a lot up.
BTW, Arrogance is never good for anyone and telling someone not to post just because "YOU" said their wrong shows that. There is no place for this on Esato, never was accepted 7yrs ago, should be now, not by you, myself nor ANYONE ELSE. I'm all for correcting someone or BEING corrected by anyone I'm man enough to admit and accept when I'm wrong, but being arrogant when you too are also wrong is hard for anyone to stomach.
peace.
However the next part of that sentence is ... " ... the only thing it shares with A15 is the instruction set, in other words they can execute the same programs."
Posted by mobisekim
Sony Xperia Z1S(D5503) for certification in Ukraine
http://4pda.ru/forum/index.ph[....]45&view=findpost&p=26615347
http://4pda.ru/forum/index.ph[....]13845&view=findpost&p=26617284
[ This Message was edited by: mobisekim on 2013-11-13 10:24 ]
Posted by XperiaJunkie
GSMarena reporting that a Amazon are selling cases for the Z1s which is due for release on the 26th of November
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_[....]vember_26_launch-news-7172.php
Posted by profyler
good news boys:
http://www.xperiablog.net/2013/11/13/xperia-z1s-aka-z1-mini-pictures-leak-confirms-d5503-model-number/
Posted by mobisekim
В России и в Украине он выйдет через 3-3.5 месяца
Posted by aussiefella
Oh yeah thats what im talking about.
Gimme some z1s action!!!
If its released nov 26, does that mean it'll be announced earlier?
[ This Message was edited by: aussiefella on 2013-11-13 10:44 ]
Posted by XperiaJunkie
If it is released on the 26th an annoucment should only be days away. We only have 13 days till the 26th it would be great if it was available in the next 2 weeks, although I cant see it happening everything that is possible to cross is crossed lol.
One reason I cant see it launching on the 26th is it will have 4.3 before the Z1 the current flagship and that is due to get it in December but on the other hand Sony will know that if it is launched with 4.2.2 people will automatically knock it down to have older firmware.
[ This Message was edited by: XperiaJunkie on 2013-11-13 10:51 ]
Posted by aussiefella
Xperia zr was released in june so a release for z1s in november makes sense (6 month cycle)
BTW the photos of the screen look really good. Great colours and viewing angles for dodgy shots.
[ This Message was edited by: aussiefella on 2013-11-13 11:00 ]
Posted by XperiaJunkie
I have just asked Sony mobile on Twitter about the release of the Z1s, not thinking I would get a reply the told my to ask my network about stock and availabilty confirmation surely this means an annoucement is very close. My Twitter ID is @craig_ord85 if you want to take a look.
Here is a screen shot I uploaded to flickr for those that don't have Twitter.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/103473117@N06/10835653406/
[ This Message was edited by: XperiaJunkie on 2013-11-13 11:33 ]
Posted by qqqw
So, have u tried asking O2?
Posted by XperiaJunkie
Yes I have asked O2 but not yet had a reply from them I will post asap with there reply.
Posted by sami92a
Sweet! it looks really nice
i can´t wait to hold it
Posted by karim128
For someone with 11 posts you sure do come across as a bit arrogant. Perception goes a LONG way in reading your post ... specifically what I've chosen above as not to loose context.
I don't remember being disrespectful to anyone. In fact you're the one being arrogant, scolding me like that and implying that the fact that i had only 11 posts somehow makes me wrong.
A15 is a reference design that is LICENSED, including the instruction set ... so NO nobody is "FREE to use it as they choose, you must license it". Krait is no exception if it can run the same instruction set and Qualcomm has LONG been on Arm Holdings, Inc's tender in this VERY regard.
I never meant that ARM is a non profit organisation, when i said that everyone is free to use it, I didn't mean that is was for free. I meant that ARM licence it to whoever wants to pay, just like I'm free to buy whatever I want. I thought that was clear, ARM isn't the red cross after all.
You are correct that A15 is not entirely nor the core of the Krait chip design ... Qualcomm chose to license what it wanted, required, or just outright saw what was fit.
Which is the instruction set. Did I say that Krait isn't even based on that? Or are you implying that Qualcomm licenced parts of A15 and glued them to Krait?
Again perception is the KEY when reading the section of the post you've read above ... yet nothing can go against the facts:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krait_(CPU)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krait_(CPU)
Krait is an ARM-based central processing unit included in Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 and Snapdragon 400/600/800 (Krait 200, Krait 300 and Krait 400) System on chips. It was introduced in 2012 as a successor to the Scorpion CPU and has architectural similarities to ARM Cortex-A15.
The similarities being A)the instruction set and B)Similarities that they share with even non-ARM designs, like OoO execution, which has been a requirement in order to stay competitive since 2011 so that doesn't prove anything. I have even brought the article doing the comparaison between it, A9, A15 and Swift which proves my point.
^ So you're incorrect in stating " Krait is not based on an early A15, it is a pure Qualcomm design, from scratch .."
http://www.anandtech.com/show[....]-s4-msm8960-krait-architecture
^ However the next part of that sentence is ... " ... the only thing it shares with A15 is the instruction set, in other words they can execute the same programs."
http://www.anandtech.com/show[....]-s4-msm8960-krait-architecture
Qualcomm has an ARM architecture license enabling it to build its own custom micro architectures that implement the ARM instruction set
^ However the next part of that sentence is ... " ... the only thing it shares with A15 is the instruction set, in other words they can execute the same programs."
I'm not even sure what you mean here. You quote me as saying that they share the same instruction set and then bring that sentence that prove that Qualcomm built their "own custom micro architectures that implement the ARM instruction set".
You're mixing opinion with facts and this contrues your statement. You need to completely use the facts as such they are... not mix and match. It almost seems I'm doing so with splitting your sentence above yet there is no other way to clarify you're mixing a lot up.
BTW, Arrogance is never good for anyone and telling someone not to post just because "YOU" said their wrong shows that. There is no place for this on Esato, never was accepted 7yrs ago, should be now, not by you, myself nor ANYONE ELSE. I'm all for correcting someone or BEING corrected by anyone I'm man enough to admit and accept when I'm wrong, but being arrogant when you too are also wrong is hard for anyone to stomach.
BTW, Arrogance is never good for anyone and telling someone not to post just because "YOU" said their wrong shows that. There is no place for this on Esato, never was accepted 7yrs ago, should be now, not by you, myself nor ANYONE ELSE. I'm all for correcting someone or BEING corrected by anyone I'm man enough to admit and accept when I'm wrong, but being arrogant when you too are also wrong is hard for anyone to stomach.
May I remind you that i'm the only one that cared to bring proof? You are the one actually asking me to accept what you said as fact without any proof, that is, apart from that sentence from Wikipedia that say they have some "architectural similarities". I'm man enough myself to accept being corrected , but you're not bringing any significant proof. I'm sorry but Krait ain't based on A15 and isn't archaic or any worse. Get your fact straight.
And i don't remember asking someone not to post.
peace.
On that we agree. And I apologize to anyone for the off-topic.
[ This Message was edited by: karim128 on 2013-11-13 14:59 ]
Posted by Michalis3
I really hope that Sony will make a device for 2014 that has similar features and price tag to the Moto G. Something with a 4.3" or 4.6" screen and Snapdragon 400 or 600 for a reasonable price. Z1 S will be a great device but will be priced accordingly to its specs. Lets see when will it be released and for what price.
Posted by pattiobear
I'm really hoping that Sony updates the Z1 Ultra along with the Z2. Although that's probably not likely. I'm looking at the Z Ultra, but the current camera kind of kills the deal for me. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
[ This Message was edited by: pattiobear on 2013-11-13 16:13 ]
Posted by nodarsixar
what is xperia Z1S's price?
Posted by amirprog
On 2013-11-13 17:09:49, pattiobear wrote:
I'm really hoping that Sony updates the Z1 Ultra along with the Z2. Although that's probably not likely. I'm looking at the Z Ultra, but the current camera kind of kills the deal for me. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
[ This Message was edited by: pattiobear on 2013-11-13 16:13 ]
About the Z Ultra succossor, if you scroll back we already talked here that sony needs to change it's characteristic to a full blown premium phablet with zero compromise in hardware (good examples: note 3, lumia 1520), not a phone inside a tablet. sony tries to be unique and thought it will catch a crowd for some reason but it is obviously bound to fail. it turns out to be a half baked costly premium device wannabe.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2013-11-13 18:41 ]
Posted by XperiaJunkie
Will there be a Z Ultra 2 surely it will depend on sales of the Original does anyone know how well the Z Ultra has done sales wise
Posted by -XYZ
I'm probably going to get the Z1s if its out before next year. Else, I'll probably just wait till next year for the Z2 (or Z2 mini if they're smart and announce it in parallel).
I'm mostly interested in the design language they go for this time around....I hope they don't use OmniBalance again. While it is beautiful, I appreciate that Sony have a unique style for each year.
Posted by XperiaJunkie
I wonder if Sony maybe thinking of releasing a slide out qwerty keyboard smartphone like the old Xperia Mini Pro. There has to be a market for this I'm sure the phone wouldn't have to be top spec maybe.
3.7 inch QHD display with X-Reality engine (298 PPI)
8MP Exmor RS rear camera with full HD video recording with LED flash
2.2 Exmor R front camera with 720p video recording
Qualcomm Snapdragon 400 1.7 GHZ dual core
1.5 GB of RAM
8GB of internal storage with micro SD card support
Android KitKat 4.4
Slide out qwerty keyboard with optical trackpad
2100 MAh battery with stamina mode
As you can see this would easily sit well with low to mid range devices of next year and if priced around £230 them I'm sure Sony will be onto a winner.
Anyone agree?
[ This Message was edited by: XperiaJunkie on 2013-11-13 19:44 ]
Posted by Felimenta97
IMO, it should be like this:
5 inch flagship
~4.3 inch flagship mini
~4.7 Flagship, with QWERTY keyboard
6 inch premium phablet
4 inch mid end dual SIM phone
Same as above, but with QWERTY also
That cover almost all categories in the premium section...
Posted by profyler
Someone can start a Z1S thread already
Posted by XperiaJunkie
@Felimenta97 agreed with all except I think Sony will still need a sub 4 inch smartphone to compete in the smaller screen segment
[ This Message was edited by: XperiaJunkie on 2013-11-13 19:55 ]
Posted by hihihans
My wife loves the real keyboard. That's the only reason she still has a Blackberry.
Posted by XperiaJunkie
@ hihihans In my store we get lots of people who want to move from BlackBerry but want to keep the qwerty keyboard but there isn't any decent ones out there, regarding my post on the qwerty I think Sony should develop I have just found out the in May of this year JDI started the mass production of a QHD display with Pixel Eyes tech that would fit the bill perfectly with a 3.7 inch display with a qwerty keyboard and optical trackpad. C'mon Sony their is a market for this just make it happen
[ This Message was edited by: XperiaJunkie on 2013-11-13 20:22 ]
Posted by karim128
On 2013-11-13 21:20:59, XperiaJunkie wrote:
@ hihihans In my store we get lots of people who want to move from BlackBerry but want to keep the qwerty keyboard but there isn't any decent ones out there, regarding my post on the qwerty I think Sony should develop I have just found out the in May of this year JDI started the mass production of a QHD display with Pixel Eyes tech that would fit the bill perfectly with a 3.7 inch display with a qwerty keyboard and optical trackpad. C'mon Sony their is a market for this just make it happen
[ This Message was edited by: XperiaJunkie on 2013-11-13 20:22 ]
But the problem is people also want good cameras, big screen and good battery life, and the keyboard has to be good otherwise you might as well use the on-screen one : such a device would have to be 15 mm thick at least so you have to reduce the screen size in order to make it pocketable because a 15 mm 4.5 - 5 inch screen would be way too big (a narrower and shorter but thick device is manageable), and/or make some compromises elsewhere (flat useless keyboard, small low quality cam module, small battery ...) This is why there is virtually no qwerty phone over 4inch, 1800 mAh battery and all have have had bad cameras since the N97. And even with all these compromises you end up with a big device. When these phones are made, they have subpar specs and people would prefer keyboard-less phones, this is why there is low demand and manufacturers finally decides to stop making them altogether... It's sad but people who doesn't belong to the mainstream doesn't get the products they wants ... I, for one,would have liked a Xperia Play 2 but I know it's nearly impossible for similar reasons) Even Nokia only made Asha (as opposed to higher-end Lumia) keyboard phones lately, because people buying phones that cheap didn't expect good specs in the first place.
[ This Message was edited by: karim128 on 2013-11-13 21:09 ]
Posted by XperiaJunkie
This is the Motorola Photon Q it was released about 18 month ago and it to be the best qwerty phone I can find spec wise if this is possible 18 month ago what is possible now or even in another 6 months surely. Sony has the tech to make the phone with some big improvements like battery capacity and the thickness .http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Motorola-PHOTON-Q-4G-LTE_id7253
Posted by MartenR
If I were Kaz I would've sold Sony's shares in Olympos which is up 140% from the time Sony bought it and acquaired 51 percent stake in Sharp's handset business to cement Sony's position as no.1 in Japan and reduce per device development cost and then probably bring sharp's handsets outside Japan.