Posted by JohnnyNr.5
On 2014-07-30 12:33:46, stook wrote:
international Z3C proto looked like this on the right
http://static.xperiablog.net/[....]2014/06/Xperia-Z3-Compact1.jpg
with strap holes at the left bottom not at the side, front camera at the right side
hmm...so two version? One for Japan and one international. Maybe even with different specs, cause the source of the recent leaked pics says 4,6" 1080p and 3GB RAM. Wouldn't be the first time that "homies" gets better hardware.
Posted by ascariss
I wonder if the flash bleed issue with the plastic backs has been solved on the compact this time around, would be a shame if the same problem existed the second time around as well.
Posted by vivftp
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/n[....]any-develop-oled/#.U9jX06BZTL4
Sony, Panasonic and JDI to set up a seperate company for developing small/medium Oled panels later this year! Woohoo!
Posted by Tizzo
^ awesome, can't wait!!! 😀
Posted by maxtune123
The leaked Z3 compact reminds me of a mysterious phone leaked in late 2013 that was never revealed.(aka honami mini at that time)
Edit: For comparison with recent leak
[ This Message was edited by: maxtune123 on 2014-07-30 15:23 ]
Posted by itsjustJOH
^That's most likely a fake. Honami mini is Z1 Compact. That BB phone beside it is a Q10, which is smaller than the Z1 Compact. The design is from Xperia Z.
Posted by kurtdean
Huiyi was right about z3 compact having a 1080p display when everyone was saying it will comes with 720p screen. I think its safe to say that Z3X will definitely has 2/3 curve sensor because huiyi said so
[ This Message was edited by: kurtdean on 2014-07-30 17:27 ]
Posted by ascariss
On 2014-07-30 13:34:34, vivftp wrote:
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/n[....]any-develop-oled/#.U9jX06BZTL4
Sony, Panasonic and JDI to set up a seperate company for developing small/medium Oled panels later this year! Woohoo!
This is good news but I feel we won't see the result anytime soon, hopefully we'll have products in 2015, although I feel 2016 is more likely.
Posted by itsjustJOH
On 2014-07-30 18:26:42, kurtdean wrote:
Huiyi was right about z3 compact having a 1080p display when everyone was saying it will comes with 720p screen. I think its safe to say that Z3X will definitely has 2/3 curve sensor because huiyi said so
[ This Message was edited by: kurtdean on 2014-07-30 17:27 ]
How'd you know he is right?
Posted by -XYZ
Possible sarcasm, but its hard to tell, because its text.
Posted by hihihans
The smiley is a hint
Posted by DexterMoser
^Sarcasm on the Internet, wtf man!
Posted by supercoolman
^
these guys have smileys in both post and sig.
Sarcasm overload?
[ This Message was edited by: supercoolman on 2014-07-31 03:53 ]
Posted by kurtdean
Is it so hard to tell by the smiley sign? hahahah
Posted by milukugiuniu
AFAIK，Z3C is 720P.
Basically, the dimention of Z3C is similar to that of Z1C. But the screen size of Z3C is bigger, which means a higher screen ratio. CMOS and lens are indentical to Z3. The bazel will be a WOW aspect.
[ This Message was edited by: milukugiuniu on 2014-07-31 08:00 ]
Posted by MartenR
OT Financial results announced. In mobile division they sold 9.4mil vs. 9.6mil last year with small operating loss. Overall results were positive. Operating profit beat analysts's estimates by factor of 4.
Posted by Gitaroo
if they Z2 didn't get delayed in many territory it would have been a lot better for the mobile division. Someone that handled the supply chain should be fired.
Posted by DexterMoser
On 2014-07-31 08:24:07, milukugiuniu wrote:
AFAIK，Z3C is 720P.
Basically, the dimention of Z3C is similar to that of Z1C. But the screen size of Z3C is bigger, which means a higher screen ratio. CMOS and lens are indentical to Z3. The bazel will be a WOW aspect.
[ This Message was edited by: milukugiuniu on 2014-07-31 08:00 ]
The CMOS sensor in Z3 and Z3C is different fron Z2, right?
Do you know anything about that?
Posted by milukugiuniu
^^
Yes, the new CMOS is thinner.
Posted by DexterMoser
On 2014-07-31 10:18:58, milukugiuniu wrote:
^^
Yes, the new CMOS is thinner.
Any improvement in image quality?
Posted by milukugiuniu
^^
Of course. I am not allowed to tell details.
Posted by ascariss
720p is plenty for the Z3c, 1080p wouldn't bring any benefits, apart from a sharper screen and more battery drain.
I feel the sensor will be the same, but the differences will be in the entire module, made thinner to be able to thin down both the z3 and z3c.
Posted by randomuser
http://www.xperiablog.net/201[....]ull-year-smartphone-forecasts/
Apparently Sony to quit mid range market and make only high end devices
Also reducing Xperia R&D and marketing expenses.
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2014-07-31 10:38 ]
Posted by smclion102
On 2014-07-31 11:34:16, randomuser wrote:
http://www.xperiablog.net/201[....]ull-year-smartphone-forecasts/
Apparently Sony to quit mid range market and make only high end devices
Also reducing Xperia R&D and marketing expenses.
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2014-07-31 10:38 ]
Why would people buy Xperia when you have Moto g/Xiaomi it makes sense cause Xperia are very expensive and crap in 2014!! Give us top class Flagship I am more than happy
Posted by itsjustJOH
On 2014-07-31 08:13:25, kurtdean wrote:
Is it so hard to tell by the smiley sign? hahahah
Sorry, my sarcasm meter's getting rusty
On 2014-07-31 11:34:16, randomuser wrote:
http://www.xperiablog.net/201[....]ull-year-smartphone-forecasts/
Apparently Sony to quit mid range market and make only high end devices
Also reducing Xperia R&D and marketing expenses.
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2014-07-31 10:38 ]
Back then you'd probably be one of those that would be sad about news like this. Oh, how one phone can change a person.
Posted by amirprog
^ All sony needs is to focus on is high end, 1 low end that is super cheap but better then xperia e1 and one mid range that is also relatively cheap but with good internals and fast updates to rival moto g.
phones like xperia m2, c3, t3 have no real value cause last year flags costs about the same. in short, they should make less devices but put all their efforts in them and make each of them count.
when people ask me to recommend them about a low/mid/last year flag i don't recommend them xperia phones. from low to high: a chinese phone>moto g>last year flag>current flag. as of now sony is ONLY competitive in the high end category. they are not competitive even in last year flag cause z1 to be honest has pretty unlikable display and that shatter film and that bulkiness look so i wouldn't recommend it to people. from sony i would only recommend z2 and z1c as of now.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2014-07-31 11:08 ]
Posted by itsjustJOH
They should abandon the low-end market, keep the mid-range for now. They released too much phones they couldn't support. My Xperia L testifies.
Posted by randomuser
On 2014-07-31 12:06:41, itsjustJOH wrote:
Back then you'd probably be one of those that would be sad about news like this. Oh, how one phone can change a person.
A phone didn't change me.
I was forced to change by Sony's stupid decisions. And the results of those decisions are seen now and will become even more clear very soon.[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2014-07-31 11:34 ]
Posted by napahlm
So... When can we expect the Z3-family annoncment? Read reports that samsung is showing Galaxy Alpha on monday. Sony shouldnt be many steps behind?
Posted by HxH
On 2014-07-31 12:31:05, randomuser wrote:
A phone didn't change me.
I was forced to change by Sony's stupid decisions.
I have to say strongly agree with this, as I'm keep losing passionate about Sony.
I will keep consider Sony device as priority but not too engaging in detail with them.
Latest decision that Sony's shoot their own foot is World Cup 2014
keep push hard on their BRAVIA while XPERIA (one of three core businesses) out of scene.
Also, even I'm exciting to see Sony's implement on beautiful material design
but Google allowance apps access to sensitive information in Play Store is killing me off little by little.
[ This Message was edited by: HxH on 2014-07-31 12:06 ]
Posted by stook
@napahlm
nordic sale/launch date should be in week 39, so the announcments should be before that
Posted by ascariss
On 2014-07-31 12:47:33, napahlm wrote:
So... When can we expect the Z3-family annoncment? Read reports that samsung is showing Galaxy Alpha on monday. Sony shouldnt be many steps behind?
Sony's ifa press conference is on the 3rd of september, so that is when it will be officially announced, but I would imagine some sort of teasers from sony's end, so a week before that, late august for teasers.
Posted by -XYZ
I've said for a long time Sony need to give up the mid and low end.
They aren't big enough to handle the low-margin (or even loss-leader) strategies enforced by the main competitors.
The Moto G is a fantastic phone. I'm sure Sony could make a phone just as good, but they can't afford to keep the price as low.
Focus on the high end, where they make the most money. Maybe they can't get Apple levels of success in the immediate future, but the Sony brand isn't worth naught, so they should take advantage and try to get the Xperia brand up near the top.
Posted by randomuser
Well unfortunately when we do a reality check, we realize Sony is not Apple after all to survive by selling only high end devices. In which case they will be selling what, 1.5 million units per quarter?
Sure sounds like a great plan.
Posted by DACHA
On 2014-07-31 14:48:58, randomuser wrote:
Well unfortunately when we do a reality check, we realize Sony is not Apple after all to survive by selling only high end devices. In which case they will be selling what, 1.5 million units per quarter?
Sure sounds like a great plan.
You are absolutely right. After three years Sony mobile still doesn't have a strategy on how to sell more mobile devices. The big downfall are quality and price. I know several people in US who get a Z1s for T-Mobile and returned it because the phone kept dropping calls.
Almost ever product Sony has released lately had quality issues and was priced higher than competing products.
If the trend continues Sony will go out of business.
Posted by randomuser
I see them going out of business very soon. Next quarter figures shouldn't be any different and Q4 will be worse with Z3 being a generation behind competition and the other Xperia models being no good.
Wouldn't be surprised if Sony quits the phone business as soon as next year.
We've actually come full circle actually.. I think Sony's market share now is the same or even lower than Sony Ericsson's when Sony acquired
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2014-07-31 15:06 ]
Posted by HxH
Eh... no worry everyone will be stop at sideline for sometime because someone will call big time out
Posted by Ricky D
Sony can concentrate on high end, but shouldn't abandon low-mid range devices completely.
I think by saying or leaking such a thing their aim is to influence public opinion in developed markets that Sony is a premium brand with quality devices.
The truth is, as randomuser quite rightly points out, that they make money in the emerging markets. A lot of the second line Xperias do well (relatively speaking) in China, Brazil and India. It would be suicide to cut them off.
Posted by -XYZ
On 2014-07-31 16:04:01, randomuser wrote:
I see them going out of business very soon.
How soon is "very soon". And by out of business, you mean the entirety of Sony? Cause the PS4 seems to be doing pretty well. I don't buy Sony just up and dying any time soon.
Next quarter figures shouldn't be any different and Q4 will be worse with Z3 being a generation behind competition and the other Xperia models being no good.
"Generation behind"? That's rather disingenuous. SD805 is the same generation as 801, but with a bigger GPU, and no integrated LTE baseband. Performance will increase, but power efficiency will decrease because of the lack of an integrated modem. Whether or not that puts Sony at a disadvantage remains to be seen.
At the very least, the Z3 will look a lot better than the Note 4, which will make at least SOME difference, if not a huge one.
The iPhone is the iPhone and the fact that it will have superior hardware is just cause Apple have a huge silicon budget and they've outpaced the only reliable SoC vendor; Qualcomm, in terms of CPU design. Not much Sony can do about this, except get mad at Qualcomm for being so bloody lethargic.
Wouldn't be surprised if Sony quits the phone business as soon as next year.
This statement surprises me. Is Sony's market share contracting so fast, that SMC will no longer be profitable within 12 months? If the unit sales (and by association the revenue) goes down, but making smartphones is still profitable, why would they shut it down? Particularly after gaining a lot of mindshare in places like Europe. I'm seeing Z2's and Z1c's everywhere in England these days, which is insane given how I'd never ever seen anyone else with an Xperia device prior to 2012.
We've actually come full circle actually.. I think Sony's market share now is the same or even lower than Sony Ericsson's when Sony acquired
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2014-07-31 15:06 ]
The market is also a lot bigger than in 2012. Samsung's market share has also decreased. Windows Phone is a better OS than it ever has been and MS will be aggressive after acquiring Nokia. Chinese and Indian companies are dominating emerging markets, and the Motorola are eating up the low-mid tier with the Moto G and E.
Comparing Sony's overall position in today's market, to SE's position in the market in 2011 isn't really possible.
Posted by randomuser
@XYZ
In case you missed, XPERIA never made money for Sony. And even for Q2 Xperia remains the only business in RED. Even the TV business is in black now.
Posted by -XYZ
On 2014-07-31 16:42:57, randomuser wrote:
@XYZ
In case you missed, XPERIA never made money for Sony. And even for Q2 Xperia remains the only business in RED. Even the TV business is in black now.
Oh my mistake.
I was under the impression that it was the Vaio business which was lumped together with the Smartphone business, that put it in the red. If that's incorrect, then I apologise. If you have any financial records to set things straight, it would be appreciated.
I don't mean to be rude, if that's how I come across by the way.
[ This Message was edited by: -XYZ on 2014-07-31 15:51 ]
Posted by MartenR
@ Ramu In Sony's FY14 (year to March 14) full year financial report's presentation slides it's clearly stated that SMC had been profitable in FY14. In today's results also it's stated that this time last year they made 12.6 billion yen in operating profit. I guess you got over-emotional and didn't see the facts.
Posted by randomuser
@MartenR
That was last year. Last year was pretty decent for Sony and the shipments were also higher.
Let's look at Data released today. Guess you can easily what part of Sony electronics lineup is in Red while all other businesses are in black. Also look at the change YoY figure
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2014-07-31 16:08 ]
Posted by MartenR
You said they NEVER made profit out of Xperia which is clearly a wrong statement.
Posted by randomuser
On 2014-07-31 17:09:15, MartenR wrote:
You said they NEVER made profit out of Xperia which is clearly a wrong statement.
Sorry if that's indeed the case.
Although I couldn't find any reference to SMC making profit in the FY2013 results. Maybe you can upload a screenshot.[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2014-07-31 16:28 ]
Posted by -XYZ
On 2014-07-31 17:07:30, randomuser wrote:
@MartenR
That was last year. Last year was pretty decent for Sony and the shipments were also higher.
Let's look at Data released today. Guess you can easily what part of Sony electronics lineup is in Red while all other businesses are in black. Also look at the change YoY figure
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2014-07-31 16:08 ]
Thanks.
Do those numbers include losses attributable to Vaio?
I've been hearing a fair amount from various places that a lot of SMC's loss is down to the failing and horribly unprofitable Vaio division.
Posted by Tsepz_GP
Feels like 2009 all over again.
Posted by randomuser
^
No. Those numbers are for Xperia business only.
From the same report :
Posted by -XYZ
On 2014-07-31 17:14:51, randomuser wrote:
^
No. Those numbers are for Xperia business only.
From the same report :
Cheers.
On a side note. Sony's stocks jumped up massively to just over 19. I'm guessing that's a response to finance report release. A good sign.
Posted by JohnnyNr.5
Don't want to be that guy, but please stay on topic. The last 2 pages were off-topic. thx.
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